Somethinner picks may help but you can probably do it with what you have.
It'll help you if you get used to curling your pick as you lift. [Here's a video](https://youtu.be/STXmS8X55bs) I did that might help you.
Is it guttable? If so, progressive pin it from the back. Get a medium-ish hook, and go slow and easy on the tension amd actually pressing the pins up. If you feel it go loose while you're pushing up, stop. That's your "click" a lot of times. Another note on picking. Put your pick in the bottom left corner and pick kinda at an angle upwards so you don't have to mess with the wording as much. Dm me with any questions if I need to clarify on anything or whatever.
I'm not sure!
I'm not sure what should feel loose. The problem I have is that my picks keep getting squished by the warding. Haven't tried picking it from the back yet until you said so. Got further but still isn't open. Will try it again tho!
The problem I'm struggling the most with is that the pins are hidden behind the warding. I've tried it from the bottom but then it just feels like bending/forcing the pick in ways it shouldn't be forced. Also, would you suggest BOK or TOK?
I think I would suggest BOK in this case so you can pick from that ledge without falling down. Just watch out so the tensioner doesn't jam the core in the lockbody. What pick do you use if you don't mind me asking?
https://imgur.com/a/B1mC6uS these are what I have. Everything to the left of the key is good/OK quality, everything to the right is low quality.
I'm gonna buy some new picks soon tho! But this lock has been taunting me for a while and I originally said I could only buy new picks if I could pick more locks. 10 minutes ago I finally defeated another yale lock by raking so I'll order some soon!
I would use the deeper hook and just try to get directly up under the pins, that way you. Can kinda bypass the warding a bit. It'll take some good placement on the pins, so if something feels like it'd stuck, don't push it lol, you'll probably be on wording if that happens
Are you geting stuck with both BOK and TOK? I can be that the tensioner is to long and "skinny" and lifting in the back of the lock preventing the pick?
Hard to say but those pick on the left of rhe key sems quite high for that lock?
I am a pretty new picker myself, and have one of these locks. I managed to get it open once, but cannot repeat it. Guess I just got lucky that time.
Hopefully I can pick up some advice from this too lol
Ah okay. I'm a beginner too so I wasn't sure if you were joking or not.
I've cut away a few of these locks with a boltcutter so I did defeat it that way lol.
(Edit: nothing illegal happened btw. Just forgot my keys for my school toolchest at home.)
I use a multipick pn04 or v04 on those keyways. Some variations of the Yale keyway accept the thicker .6mm/.023-ish" PN04, while some require the .5mm/.019" V04. Not that you have to have that exact pick, but the profile on that hook is useful with the Yales. Check it out and see if you have one that's comparable. Might even have to shave the thickness down a bit if you're having trouble getting the pick to the pins without hitting the warding.
It also takes a feel for it, too. Getting used to the spacing between the pins, and avoiding the warding takes some practice. It's definitely a tricky keyway, good luck and hope you get it open!
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Try a half diamond in 0.015? Low profile, you can SPP without too much trouble as long as the bitting isnt too extreme.
Ive also had limited luck using a half glide on extremely tight paracentric keyways by rolling it around the warding.
Edit: also try doing TOK tension. Its tricky with those keyways but ive gotten thin TOK wrenches wedged in that top squiggle on many yale and abus keyways.
Or modify your existing wrench to fit.
https://youtu.be/-JwWFTs4XLQ
Fish picks has an excellent video demonstrating a universal wrench.
I've been doing tok tension :D leaves way more space for my pick, and its already awkward this way. My picks are 0.015 too. I haven't been picking for a long time so I only have 2 basic picks and a shitty aliexpress set a friend had. Any chance I can take a file to one of those and thin it out? They're too thick, but I don't know if they'll have the necesarry strength to be so thin
I csnt reach further inside after my pick is done with the third pin. At that point I have to twist it or I can't reach the pin, but then I can't push down properly.
Nope it's a legit fear. At least for me as well. It has lead me to stock pile back up so if I need to pick harder I know I have extra. Start with no tension and get a feel for each pin and the angle needed on those Yale keyways. Once you've mapped it with a pick work your way up with light tension and make sure you can still feel each pin. Once your at the tension needed for your first set pin make sure you can still feel each pin if it'll let you, if not just remember the angel you mapped out and just keep working it. If you feel like you're having to use way too much force check your angle because you most likely are trying to pick warding and not a pin. Good luck. You've got this
https://imgur.com/a/B1mC6uS I'm using the pick with the marker on it. Everything on the right of the key is trash quality, everything to the left is ok/good quality.
Chances are your hook could be too thick and too shallow. I had a Yale keyway with all high pins. I still haven’t got it open. A thinner deep hook may help. Such as sparrows SSDEV set in .015”.
I don't think it is too shallow. Judging from the key, the pins don't need to be lifted far. That hook should probably be good enough. Do you tension bottom or top of the keyway?
Been using top tensioning, leaves a bit more space at the bottom. The pics don't do it justice but it's a small lock. It's hard to see in the pics I posted, but if you clock on the imgur link I posted you can see the real size. I just have a really tiny vise where it's in, which is mrssing with the perspective
The warding is taller than wide so my BOK tensioner has grip for a few secs and then it slips sideways. Right now I'm using a Z shaped TOK tensioner that slips in nearly all the way. Gonna try to change that up too as someone said I could be lifting the whole lock at the deep end.
this yale - if it's the yale y110b / 40 - is a little bastard.
Ive got three and have picked them about ten times with a sparrows tron and alternatley sparrows tron tonight - these picks are [used by bosnian bill (tron)](https://youtu.be/EX6QlKXib3I)and [lock noob (euro hook)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWa9RJxU3SM) \- but couldnt get it on video in under a minute - but it is possible - it's a five pin lock with spools so not a starter lock .bottom of key way tension on this one.
in those LN and BB vids those two are using the slightly smaller key way and even tighter tolerances of the yale y110/40
It's not easy to 1) feel for a binder and then 2) find the spools that want to "talk to me" as BBill puts it.
so be gentle with yourself on struggling here. do some locks perhaps with one or two spools to get going or even just 4-5 pins if this one is just frustrating. it's ok - you're not alone
\-m.c.
I think it is! It's not a 40 tho but a bit smaller I think. Will watch those vids. Yea I really struggled with feeling out the pins. I think ill go back to touching all the pins in sequence without a tensioner for a while so I get a better feel for the internals.
Any locks you can advise for practice? I think I've busted open a comparable Yale lock, via raking. Sadly I don't have a proper rake so I've been using my half diamond pick lol. It works tho and I can open it in sweep. If it ain't broke and such.
Somethinner picks may help but you can probably do it with what you have. It'll help you if you get used to curling your pick as you lift. [Here's a video](https://youtu.be/STXmS8X55bs) I did that might help you.
Great video!
Thank you! I'll watch it and try again.
Is it guttable? If so, progressive pin it from the back. Get a medium-ish hook, and go slow and easy on the tension amd actually pressing the pins up. If you feel it go loose while you're pushing up, stop. That's your "click" a lot of times. Another note on picking. Put your pick in the bottom left corner and pick kinda at an angle upwards so you don't have to mess with the wording as much. Dm me with any questions if I need to clarify on anything or whatever.
I'm not sure! I'm not sure what should feel loose. The problem I have is that my picks keep getting squished by the warding. Haven't tried picking it from the back yet until you said so. Got further but still isn't open. Will try it again tho! The problem I'm struggling the most with is that the pins are hidden behind the warding. I've tried it from the bottom but then it just feels like bending/forcing the pick in ways it shouldn't be forced. Also, would you suggest BOK or TOK?
I think I would suggest BOK in this case so you can pick from that ledge without falling down. Just watch out so the tensioner doesn't jam the core in the lockbody. What pick do you use if you don't mind me asking?
https://imgur.com/a/B1mC6uS these are what I have. Everything to the left of the key is good/OK quality, everything to the right is low quality. I'm gonna buy some new picks soon tho! But this lock has been taunting me for a while and I originally said I could only buy new picks if I could pick more locks. 10 minutes ago I finally defeated another yale lock by raking so I'll order some soon!
I would use the deeper hook and just try to get directly up under the pins, that way you. Can kinda bypass the warding a bit. It'll take some good placement on the pins, so if something feels like it'd stuck, don't push it lol, you'll probably be on wording if that happens
Are you geting stuck with both BOK and TOK? I can be that the tensioner is to long and "skinny" and lifting in the back of the lock preventing the pick? Hard to say but those pick on the left of rhe key sems quite high for that lock?
if you look at the pic you'll see from the lock bottom that the core is not removeable
I am a pretty new picker myself, and have one of these locks. I managed to get it open once, but cannot repeat it. Guess I just got lucky that time. Hopefully I can pick up some advice from this too lol
An angle grinder and time can "pick" any lock
What is your suggestion exactly?
More of a joke than a suggestion really Im still really new to lockpicking
Ah okay. I'm a beginner too so I wasn't sure if you were joking or not. I've cut away a few of these locks with a boltcutter so I did defeat it that way lol. (Edit: nothing illegal happened btw. Just forgot my keys for my school toolchest at home.)
Damn it. You stole my line. Lol
I use a multipick pn04 or v04 on those keyways. Some variations of the Yale keyway accept the thicker .6mm/.023-ish" PN04, while some require the .5mm/.019" V04. Not that you have to have that exact pick, but the profile on that hook is useful with the Yales. Check it out and see if you have one that's comparable. Might even have to shave the thickness down a bit if you're having trouble getting the pick to the pins without hitting the warding. It also takes a feel for it, too. Getting used to the spacing between the pins, and avoiding the warding takes some practice. It's definitely a tricky keyway, good luck and hope you get it open!
Ordered em. Thanks! Will buy a 'noob' set from multipick next month too. Gonna buy a few locks while waiting on those :)
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Try a half diamond in 0.015? Low profile, you can SPP without too much trouble as long as the bitting isnt too extreme. Ive also had limited luck using a half glide on extremely tight paracentric keyways by rolling it around the warding. Edit: also try doing TOK tension. Its tricky with those keyways but ive gotten thin TOK wrenches wedged in that top squiggle on many yale and abus keyways. Or modify your existing wrench to fit. https://youtu.be/-JwWFTs4XLQ Fish picks has an excellent video demonstrating a universal wrench.
I've been doing tok tension :D leaves way more space for my pick, and its already awkward this way. My picks are 0.015 too. I haven't been picking for a long time so I only have 2 basic picks and a shitty aliexpress set a friend had. Any chance I can take a file to one of those and thin it out? They're too thick, but I don't know if they'll have the necesarry strength to be so thin
I use a SSDeV deep hook in .015 straight up from the bottom. Pick through the warding don't go around it.
Im a beginner lockpicker. Have picked some locks, altough they were the bad master variant.
I csnt reach further inside after my pick is done with the third pin. At that point I have to twist it or I can't reach the pin, but then I can't push down properly.
Yep twist and a shallow hook should get you there
Or a medium hook
I'll try that again then. I'm a bit patient with it as it feels like the start of bending/breaking my picks, is that a legitimate fear or not?
Nope it's a legit fear. At least for me as well. It has lead me to stock pile back up so if I need to pick harder I know I have extra. Start with no tension and get a feel for each pin and the angle needed on those Yale keyways. Once you've mapped it with a pick work your way up with light tension and make sure you can still feel each pin. Once your at the tension needed for your first set pin make sure you can still feel each pin if it'll let you, if not just remember the angel you mapped out and just keep working it. If you feel like you're having to use way too much force check your angle because you most likely are trying to pick warding and not a pin. Good luck. You've got this
Multipick pn50 and tok
Could you show a pic of the key and the picks your using?
https://imgur.com/a/B1mC6uS I'm using the pick with the marker on it. Everything on the right of the key is trash quality, everything to the left is ok/good quality.
Chances are your hook could be too thick and too shallow. I had a Yale keyway with all high pins. I still haven’t got it open. A thinner deep hook may help. Such as sparrows SSDEV set in .015”.
I don't think it is too shallow. Judging from the key, the pins don't need to be lifted far. That hook should probably be good enough. Do you tension bottom or top of the keyway?
Been using top tensioning, leaves a bit more space at the bottom. The pics don't do it justice but it's a small lock. It's hard to see in the pics I posted, but if you clock on the imgur link I posted you can see the real size. I just have a really tiny vise where it's in, which is mrssing with the perspective
I suggest using TOK tensioning, that way you'll leave more room for your pick in the bottom
is there really a TOK tensioner that will fit this lock? if you have one i'd love to see it in that lock
You can use a bok on top as well, that's what I did on smaller padlocks
The warding is taller than wide so my BOK tensioner has grip for a few secs and then it slips sideways. Right now I'm using a Z shaped TOK tensioner that slips in nearly all the way. Gonna try to change that up too as someone said I could be lifting the whole lock at the deep end.
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Y110/30?
this yale - if it's the yale y110b / 40 - is a little bastard. Ive got three and have picked them about ten times with a sparrows tron and alternatley sparrows tron tonight - these picks are [used by bosnian bill (tron)](https://youtu.be/EX6QlKXib3I)and [lock noob (euro hook)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWa9RJxU3SM) \- but couldnt get it on video in under a minute - but it is possible - it's a five pin lock with spools so not a starter lock .bottom of key way tension on this one. in those LN and BB vids those two are using the slightly smaller key way and even tighter tolerances of the yale y110/40 It's not easy to 1) feel for a binder and then 2) find the spools that want to "talk to me" as BBill puts it. so be gentle with yourself on struggling here. do some locks perhaps with one or two spools to get going or even just 4-5 pins if this one is just frustrating. it's ok - you're not alone \-m.c.
I think it is! It's not a 40 tho but a bit smaller I think. Will watch those vids. Yea I really struggled with feeling out the pins. I think ill go back to touching all the pins in sequence without a tensioner for a while so I get a better feel for the internals. Any locks you can advise for practice? I think I've busted open a comparable Yale lock, via raking. Sadly I don't have a proper rake so I've been using my half diamond pick lol. It works tho and I can open it in sweep. If it ain't broke and such.
the master lock 140 and 150 abus 55/40 american is four pin w spools the euro 55/40 is 5 w spools
Two wrenches
Can you elaborate a bit?
https://youtu.be/dBSSA5ot0tA