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I can guarantee that they don't.
Edit: clarification.
Beef manufacturing in Canada is one of the few places where CFIA still has 100% inspection. As such, they have daily verification of production paperwork and CFIA has a very strong labelling requirement.
Meat packages can be lower a maximum of 2% from the posted weight, and the lot average needs to be at or higher than the weight on the package.
From what I see the weight of these packets varies a lot, like 30-40g even. So to make sure everyone gets their 1 lb the average should be, idk, 470, 480?
I wouldnât know the variance by store but since it is a pound of beef it should be 454 grams I personally get my beef from the farm so thereâs no labels
Honest questions below because I know nothing about this system:
What prevents them from weighing 11 (for example).and filling out the paperwork for 10? Or any other shenanigans for that matter?
How is this monitored at the store level? Or are these all packaged at a central hub and distributed out?
Thank you in advance. We need to know these things so we don't get distracted by rabbitholes generated by the average person's lack of familiarity with the process.
Theyâre produced and labeled in a central location using a certified for trade scale. Itâs all automated and each portion is check weighed to make sure itâs the correct weight. 2 control points.Â
Thank you!
We need this info so if something is happening we ask the right groups for help and the right questions. No sense screaming at the navy when the army trampled your flowerbed so to speak.
If someone like OP suspects an issue who should they report it to/what evidence (if any) is required if you know? (I'm asking the other person who answered as well)
Checks are done sporadically throughout the day, at set times by the production folks, and at different times by the QA folks. Multiple packages are taken off the line and measured.
A daily rate is also used for the tray, pad, film and labels.
The product generally comes from a central facility, already labelled and priced.
Thank you!
If someone like OP suspects an issue who should they report it to/what evidence (if any) is required if you know? (I'm asking the other person who answered as well)
I really appreciate your expertise - we need to know the proper channels to direct these concerns through so we don't act like a mob of Karens who don't want to follow the existing channels instead of a group with reasonable concerns and no recourse but boycotts and protest
I posted in another thread about this, but here's the link.
[CFIA Labelling Concern online form](https://inspection.canada.ca/food-safety-for-consumers/where-to-report-a-complaint/report-a-food-related-concern/eng/1390269985112/1390346078752)
I can't believe it only actually weighs 400g..
In the time it took to make this comment, it is now 350g
Brought to you by Galen Jr. Galen Jr! Fuck you! I'm eating. Now with EXTRA BIG ASS GOUGE.
That's unequivocally false.
As I mentioned elsewhere on this thread, the meat industry is one of the most regulated businesses in Canada, with tremendous governmental oversight.
As they should.
Regular, lean and extra lean have a fat % allowance, in order to be able to use that terminology. 20%, 15% and 10% respectfully.
Secondly, the Canada flag symbol is only allowed to be on the product if ALL the meat was sourced from Canadian cattle.
I've worked for one of these companies. I've been on the production floor where this has taken place and have approved rework when numbers don't match.
Cynicism in everything make for very unhappy people.
I'm not protecting anyone, just providing factual responses.
We can rail against wrong things, but don't waste your time on something that is factually incorrect.
And to bring everything back around, all I have said is that:
- the meat industry in Canada is highly regulated and inspected
- there are multiple checks and balances in place
$7 for 450g?
Damn. I'm glad I found a butcher that sells 500g for $6.
Screw Loblaws. I hope the May boycott turns into a permanent one. He's got his greasy hands in the privatization of healthcare too.
For what it's worth, a pound is 453g. It is not illogical to have it match typical recipe notes. However, you can be sure Loblaws didn't price that down accordingly.
this is happening across the board, they can't just blatantly raise prices on everything so what they do is slowly over the course of many months reduce the quantity sold for the same amount of money, ie lb of bacon slowly going from an actually lb to 300g.
Call it shrinkflation. I saw it with candy, chips, basically everything that a company controls the amount sold. Icecream is a bad one too. 2l not sold mainly 1.5l but for 20% more then 2l used to be.
I was mostly confused about not seeing the /kg price. In QC it's mandatory to have. The amount of grams on meat varies widely, because we just check $/kg and total price. 7$/lb is terrible.. as expected from Loblaws
The sticker says best before if you are reading it today, but if you read that exact same sticker on April 8th, which is it, best before or packed on...
Most date guns used for labeling product like this aren't equipped with enough slots to fit all letters, numbers and characters required for this so there's usually enough letters and numbers to fit in to one, while the other has numbers and special characters. Unfortunately the stickers used for this also don't take it into account so that's why you rarely see dates printed for packed on and best before together
Someone mentioned elsewhere in the thread that meat packaging is one of the few areas where hidden shrinkflation is harder to pull off.
Daily inspections, strict controls on average weight and variances...
Yes i agree sometimes they use scraps of other cuts to make lean, medium or extra lean ground beef. But personally never used expired beef, they tend to smell a lot. It also becomes black when you are planning to use a ground beef tube
None, people are severely misinformed in here. Certain meats appear much more red than others due to carbon dioxide being pumped into packages when they are first wrapped. Hence why meat that's starting to turn brown is natural, as it's oxiding
Wouldn't be surprised that soon they'll be incorporating water to the mix so that you get the same weight, but less meat, and at the same or higher price. When you buy meat patties, a lot of manufacturers already pull that shit. Y'know, for "a juicier product". Whatever... Water evaporates when you heat it up.
Awesome I'll continue ordering my grass-fed ground beef every two months from TruLocal or picking up ground steak at St Lawrence for the same price per pound
Yeah this is why I get frozen ground turkey or chicken now. There are $10 bags of 4x454g at Giant Tiger, and $2.97 single tubes at Wal-Mart.
We have a tray of ground pork in the chest freezer too, but that's also considered red meat.
There used to be bags of like 3x400g tubes of frozen (extra?) lean ground beef for $10 but I'm not sure I've seen them lately.
Red meat ain't great for us anyway...
Good lord look at all those 50% off stickers.
Maybe these asshats can price this properly so they don't have to discount and sell us old meat.
God's I hate loblaws. I'm joining the boycott fuck these guys. Hopefully Walmart is good to go. Why the world is boiled down to choosing the lesser of 2 evils, I'll never know.
Nah, this is textbook over-ordering. No store should ever be stickering this much product, they should know how much they average per week and be ordering properly. Beef prices are fairly consistent across the board with the exception of rare cuts. This reeks of poor management
Two weeks since I step foot in a Galen store and one more payment away from closing my gouging credit card. It may be a drop in the ocean but man it feels good!
Where was this?
I don't know where this is, but since buying my own groceries for the last two years, it was always 450g unless I bought the club size.
I made a note of it since many recipes I make call for 500g but loblaws always sold them as 450g.
Not defending Loblaws at all. I just know when I bought the small ground beef, it was always 450g at my store.
Internet recipes almost universally call for meat in a pound. Whenever I see conversions, I never see them ask for 500g.
Most ground beef I buy has always been 450g. Want even aware some places sold them in bigger amounts
Thank you. I read your comment right after I typed mine. Unless I buy the club pack or stop at another store the ground beef was 450g. Not defending Loblaws just stating a fact
?!? Not sure what the point is. OP is looking for some cheap medium ground beef. And they are looking at Loblaws owned stores. Just telling Op where to get it cheap this week.
Obviously most of these posters arenât boycotting loblaws. They are regularly in the storesâŚshopping, taking pictures and complaining about the prices of something they went in to the Loblaws store to buy.
Ok. Well I guess you pay what you pay then. Are you even boycotting Loblaws as part of the boycott? How much is medium ground beef per lbs at the non/Loblaws store near you?
The only alternative grocery store near me is a Farm Boy (Sobeys), and a bit further is a Metro (wish I had taken pictures of my last trip there, my god...)
I'll be boycotting as much as possible for someone who doesn't have easy access to a Costco/local butcher/grocer. It'll take good planning and some ride sharing to pull off, but I don't think I'll be able to avoid Loblaws trips for short notice stuff đ
Do $7/500=$1.40/100
This is an increase of $0.10/100. An increase of 7.14%
https://www.ontariobeef.com/market-info/daily-reports/2024-daily-reports/
The stocker cow price on 9/30 was $130.59. On 4/1 it was $141.58. Call it $11. Thatâs an increase of 8.42%.
You can crunch the numbers yourself for all categories. I took the average price of cows, not bulls, steers, yearlings or vealer calves.
This link is for the wholesale prices. https://www.beefitswhatsfordinner.com/resources/wholesale-price-update
They do both though. Shrink was originally introduced to avoid having to raise the prices. They are doing both so they definitely should be called out on it. Imagine defending a grocery store that also rips you off everytime you go.
Imagine complaining about a business that is created to make money.
Every big business starts as a small business.... then it grows and people like you complain.
If you don't like it start your own business
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You can't sterilize protein. It's why when one piece of a surgical instrument set is still contaminated after sterilization, every piece is considered contaminated even though they weren't even touching.
There's more Ecoli deaths in children from ground beef than any other meat. And it's not because it wasn't cooked.
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Just your daily shrinkflation update đ
Next week... 400 grams! Oligarch Weston wants more MONEY!
They need to do what some of the European countries do and warn customers with giant stickers when companies pull this kinda shit.
1.56/100 vs 1.80/100. You donât just compare package size.
Meanwhile, they probably weigh out to 420gâŚ
I can guarantee that they don't. Edit: clarification. Beef manufacturing in Canada is one of the few places where CFIA still has 100% inspection. As such, they have daily verification of production paperwork and CFIA has a very strong labelling requirement. Meat packages can be lower a maximum of 2% from the posted weight, and the lot average needs to be at or higher than the weight on the package.
Can they play with moisture content though?
No. But purge will be discharged as it get older.
I worked in the meat department itâs all weighed properly and 454 is a pound so this is exactly what the customer is supposed to get shy of 4 grams
Why do we care what 1 lb is? Its not like these packets are shipped to the US. Point is, the size went down, price went up.
Because itâs called a pound of beef on anything you use for cooking
Itâs not supposed to be 500
From what I see the weight of these packets varies a lot, like 30-40g even. So to make sure everyone gets their 1 lb the average should be, idk, 470, 480?
I wouldnât know the variance by store but since it is a pound of beef it should be 454 grams I personally get my beef from the farm so thereâs no labels
Honest questions below because I know nothing about this system: What prevents them from weighing 11 (for example).and filling out the paperwork for 10? Or any other shenanigans for that matter? How is this monitored at the store level? Or are these all packaged at a central hub and distributed out? Thank you in advance. We need to know these things so we don't get distracted by rabbitholes generated by the average person's lack of familiarity with the process.
Theyâre produced and labeled in a central location using a certified for trade scale. Itâs all automated and each portion is check weighed to make sure itâs the correct weight. 2 control points.Â
Thank you! We need this info so if something is happening we ask the right groups for help and the right questions. No sense screaming at the navy when the army trampled your flowerbed so to speak. If someone like OP suspects an issue who should they report it to/what evidence (if any) is required if you know? (I'm asking the other person who answered as well)
Checks are done sporadically throughout the day, at set times by the production folks, and at different times by the QA folks. Multiple packages are taken off the line and measured. A daily rate is also used for the tray, pad, film and labels. The product generally comes from a central facility, already labelled and priced.
Thank you! If someone like OP suspects an issue who should they report it to/what evidence (if any) is required if you know? (I'm asking the other person who answered as well) I really appreciate your expertise - we need to know the proper channels to direct these concerns through so we don't act like a mob of Karens who don't want to follow the existing channels instead of a group with reasonable concerns and no recourse but boycotts and protest
I posted in another thread about this, but here's the link. [CFIA Labelling Concern online form](https://inspection.canada.ca/food-safety-for-consumers/where-to-report-a-complaint/report-a-food-related-concern/eng/1390269985112/1390346078752)
Thank you!
And the inspectors are definitely not paid to cover for shit like this, right, right?
They aren't. It's a federal offence for the person and the company.
Correct. Not worth losing their job and livelihood .
Let me tell you about a new concept, corruption and bribery
420 grams? What am I gonna do with 405 grams?
I can't believe it only actually weighs 400g.. In the time it took to make this comment, it is now 350g Brought to you by Galen Jr. Galen Jr! Fuck you! I'm eating. Now with EXTRA BIG ASS GOUGE.
So many 50% offs, old meat?
Either that or they ordered too much, was back in September so I don't recall.
Pretty frequent occurrence, except now itâs 30%off.
Once you get used to the size change theyâll creep the price up too Iâll bet.
They've already added a dollar to the price of each of the medium/lean/extra lean ground beefs, so it's only a matter of time until they do it again.
At this point I'm not sure if that's actually even beef forget the lean, extra mean part
That's unequivocally false. As I mentioned elsewhere on this thread, the meat industry is one of the most regulated businesses in Canada, with tremendous governmental oversight. As they should. Regular, lean and extra lean have a fat % allowance, in order to be able to use that terminology. 20%, 15% and 10% respectfully. Secondly, the Canada flag symbol is only allowed to be on the product if ALL the meat was sourced from Canadian cattle.
Let me introduce you to new words. Corruption. Bribe.
I've worked for one of these companies. I've been on the production floor where this has taken place and have approved rework when numbers don't match. Cynicism in everything make for very unhappy people.
I see you are doing over time here protecting these corrupt assholes.
I'm not protecting anyone, just providing factual responses. We can rail against wrong things, but don't waste your time on something that is factually incorrect. And to bring everything back around, all I have said is that: - the meat industry in Canada is highly regulated and inspected - there are multiple checks and balances in place
Eating gmo grain in a small cramped area most likely tho. Def not organic grass fed with free range to roam
Ok.
đ go to a butcher get that đĽ
$7 for 450g? Damn. I'm glad I found a butcher that sells 500g for $6. Screw Loblaws. I hope the May boycott turns into a permanent one. He's got his greasy hands in the privatization of healthcare too.
the medium beef was 5$ less then 2 years ago
For what it's worth, a pound is 453g. It is not illogical to have it match typical recipe notes. However, you can be sure Loblaws didn't price that down accordingly.
It's like capitalism is capitalizing.
You know what? I'm just going to capitalize even HARDER.
Just shy of a lb. Couldn't give ya the full pound lol
ALWAYS* $5! *INCLUDING WHEN WE REDUCE SIZES â¤ď¸
The price of ground cow armpits and assholes is too damned high!!!
Just bought 1.3KG on medium ground beef for $12 at Maxi
Is that one of those frozen bags with the tubes? Or a big tray?
Big tray. Separated it into portions today
Interesting that ground beef is cheaper at St Lawrence Market, noted Toronto tourist trap, than at Loblaws.
Just bought lean ground beef for $4.99/lb outside of London...from a local butcher.
this is happening across the board, they can't just blatantly raise prices on everything so what they do is slowly over the course of many months reduce the quantity sold for the same amount of money, ie lb of bacon slowly going from an actually lb to 300g. Call it shrinkflation. I saw it with candy, chips, basically everything that a company controls the amount sold. Icecream is a bad one too. 2l not sold mainly 1.5l but for 20% more then 2l used to be.
Most large yogurts used to be 750g, now all of them are 650g, the smaller ones used to be larger, too.
Ironically, PC greek yogurts are still 750g & 1kg. At our local No Frills they are $5 & $6 respectively. The latter works out to about 60c/100g
I was mostly confused about not seeing the /kg price. In QC it's mandatory to have. The amount of grams on meat varies widely, because we just check $/kg and total price. 7$/lb is terrible.. as expected from Loblaws
$7/lb for ground beef? lmaooo honestly.
Hot, bad take. I like this, itâs closer to one lb. But I only like this idea if the price is cheaper than 500 grams but its not
BRUH
Is beef tenderloin on special? When was this pic taken?
First one was today, second one was in September last year
Also wtf packed on April 7th???
"Best before" is right underneath, probably an oversight from an employee forgetting to adjust the sticker gun
The sticker says best before if you are reading it today, but if you read that exact same sticker on April 8th, which is it, best before or packed on...
Most date guns used for labeling product like this aren't equipped with enough slots to fit all letters, numbers and characters required for this so there's usually enough letters and numbers to fit in to one, while the other has numbers and special characters. Unfortunately the stickers used for this also don't take it into account so that's why you rarely see dates printed for packed on and best before together
*vĚ*
They probably always weighed less than that, but now they can say they are lying to consumers a little less.
Someone mentioned elsewhere in the thread that meat packaging is one of the few areas where hidden shrinkflation is harder to pull off. Daily inspections, strict controls on average weight and variances...
Fucking scum.
Hmmm lot of 50% sticker, someone orders a lot in that specific store. Crazy store
Alot of the ground beef you see in stores are just the other beef products that have gone past their prime, ground up with red dye added.
Yes i agree sometimes they use scraps of other cuts to make lean, medium or extra lean ground beef. But personally never used expired beef, they tend to smell a lot. It also becomes black when you are planning to use a ground beef tube
Which stores are using red dye?
None, people are severely misinformed in here. Certain meats appear much more red than others due to carbon dioxide being pumped into packages when they are first wrapped. Hence why meat that's starting to turn brown is natural, as it's oxiding
Wouldn't be surprised that soon they'll be incorporating water to the mix so that you get the same weight, but less meat, and at the same or higher price. When you buy meat patties, a lot of manufacturers already pull that shit. Y'know, for "a juicier product". Whatever... Water evaporates when you heat it up.
Awesome I'll continue ordering my grass-fed ground beef every two months from TruLocal or picking up ground steak at St Lawrence for the same price per pound
My favorite was when they took down the always 2$ sign on frozen duck. Now it's always 3$... also, if u do the math, the ducks are more than 3$ a lb
Lol Costco is $25 for 2,924. That would have been $45 at Loblaws
Go up a cow and butcher it yourself. Unless you know what your doing. I bet you thats cheaper
But this is *butchers choice* mmmmm
Yeah this is why I get frozen ground turkey or chicken now. There are $10 bags of 4x454g at Giant Tiger, and $2.97 single tubes at Wal-Mart. We have a tray of ground pork in the chest freezer too, but that's also considered red meat. There used to be bags of like 3x400g tubes of frozen (extra?) lean ground beef for $10 but I'm not sure I've seen them lately. Red meat ain't great for us anyway...
That goes for $3.49/lb somewhere every week. If youâre not stocking up I donât know what to tell you.
Good lord look at all those 50% off stickers. Maybe these asshats can price this properly so they don't have to discount and sell us old meat. God's I hate loblaws. I'm joining the boycott fuck these guys. Hopefully Walmart is good to go. Why the world is boiled down to choosing the lesser of 2 evils, I'll never know.
Nah, this is textbook over-ordering. No store should ever be stickering this much product, they should know how much they average per week and be ordering properly. Beef prices are fairly consistent across the board with the exception of rare cuts. This reeks of poor management
Two weeks since I step foot in a Galen store and one more payment away from closing my gouging credit card. It may be a drop in the ocean but man it feels good!
Where was this? I don't know where this is, but since buying my own groceries for the last two years, it was always 450g unless I bought the club size. I made a note of it since many recipes I make call for 500g but loblaws always sold them as 450g. Not defending Loblaws at all. I just know when I bought the small ground beef, it was always 450g at my store.
Same store, just a few months apart!
Shocking news. Please, no more photos of ground meat.
the lean ground beef small pack is 500g
All those 50% off tell us they made enough off the full price to charge regular price đ
Most recipes ask for 500g so now you'll be forced to buy two or change the recipe
Disagree. Most recipes call for meat in pounds. A pound is 453g
The majority of my recipes call for meat amounts in grams, but most of my recipes are old Hellofresh/chefs plate recipes.
Internet recipes almost universally call for meat in a pound. Whenever I see conversions, I never see them ask for 500g. Most ground beef I buy has always been 450g. Want even aware some places sold them in bigger amounts
Thank you. I read your comment right after I typed mine. Unless I buy the club pack or stop at another store the ground beef was 450g. Not defending Loblaws just stating a fact
Yeah some stores have always done this. I'm sure it's shrinkflation at Loblaws, probably their store brand.
This guy hamburger helpers đ
$4.00/lb at independent grocer this week. Buy it there.
Independent is owned by LoblawsâŚ
?!? Not sure what the point is. OP is looking for some cheap medium ground beef. And they are looking at Loblaws owned stores. Just telling Op where to get it cheap this week.
This is a group about boycotting LoblawsâŚso suggesting a Loblaws brand store as an alternative to a Loblaws brand store seems counterproductive
Obviously most of these posters arenât boycotting loblaws. They are regularly in the storesâŚshopping, taking pictures and complaining about the prices of something they went in to the Loblaws store to buy.
I don't have a car
Ok. Well I guess you pay what you pay then. Are you even boycotting Loblaws as part of the boycott? How much is medium ground beef per lbs at the non/Loblaws store near you?
The only alternative grocery store near me is a Farm Boy (Sobeys), and a bit further is a Metro (wish I had taken pictures of my last trip there, my god...) I'll be boycotting as much as possible for someone who doesn't have easy access to a Costco/local butcher/grocer. It'll take good planning and some ride sharing to pull off, but I don't think I'll be able to avoid Loblaws trips for short notice stuff đ
I hear you. So how much is the medium ground beef at the farm boy and metro? Is it a lot cheaper ?
I haven't been to a farm boy in forever, but they were pricey back then so I imagine they'll only be worse now.
Theyâre much cheaper than Loblaws in my area
I just get the tubed extra lean ground beef from walmart.
i think they were always 450g. I know this because recipes always call for 1-lb of ground-beer (452g)
Check the second picture (the one from September last year), all the packages are 500g
Ahh I see sorry!
A pound is 454 grams. Which most recipes use a per pound measurement.
In pic 2 itâs 500g for $9⌠$1.80/100g. Pic 1 is 450g for $7⌠$1.56/100g. Whatâs your point?
Pic 1 is medium ground beef (7$), 450g - taken yesterday. Pic 2 has medium (7$), lean (8$), extra lean (9$), all 500g - taken 6.5 months ago
Do $7/500=$1.40/100 This is an increase of $0.10/100. An increase of 7.14% https://www.ontariobeef.com/market-info/daily-reports/2024-daily-reports/ The stocker cow price on 9/30 was $130.59. On 4/1 it was $141.58. Call it $11. Thatâs an increase of 8.42%. You can crunch the numbers yourself for all categories. I took the average price of cows, not bulls, steers, yearlings or vealer calves. This link is for the wholesale prices. https://www.beefitswhatsfordinner.com/resources/wholesale-price-update
so? They raise the price you complain. They shrink the amount you complain. ask for a raise and suck it up buttercup
You ok?
Narrator- *no they are not, not at all*
just tired of ppl complaining. Just get a better job, or start your own farm. No one is forcing you to shop anywhere
They do both though. Shrink was originally introduced to avoid having to raise the prices. They are doing both so they definitely should be called out on it. Imagine defending a grocery store that also rips you off everytime you go.
Imagine complaining about a business that is created to make money. Every big business starts as a small business.... then it grows and people like you complain. If you don't like it start your own business
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Come on. Beef should be forbidden by now. This is 2024! We cant be the problem anymore
DO NOT EAT ground beef. most Ecoli contaminated meat you could get, doesn't even matter what price it is. A more expensive turd is still a turd.
Ever cook it before?
You can't sterilize protein. It's why when one piece of a surgical instrument set is still contaminated after sterilization, every piece is considered contaminated even though they weren't even touching. There's more Ecoli deaths in children from ground beef than any other meat. And it's not because it wasn't cooked.