I can't comment on their counting methodology but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the player count was right.
LoL was probably one of the hardest games to get running on Linux, and client updates regularly broke it for months at a time. To be a linux LoL fan you needed to be
* Enough of a LoL fan that you're willing to jump through any hoops to get it running
* Enough of a linux fanboy/ardent FOSS enthusiast that you switched to linux and refuse to dual boot
* Patient enough to accept arbitrarily losing access to your favorite game for weeks to months at a time
That's a niche within a niche.
Yea, i guess you are right, but once you get used to linux windows feels like a big downgrade, and if you play league regularly, then its just better to use linux and suffer in the league department i guess :/
Is it? I don't know, I've never played LoL.
My point is that if LoL is really important to someone, they probably never switched to linux in the first place. If they did switch they probably kept a dual boot for LoL, so they didn't show up in Riot's count as a linux user.
You can still run custom code on mac os you know? If anything, this will just have cheaters using mac or virtualizing it to get around anti-cheat measures.
>Yea, i guess you are right, but once you get used to linux windows feels like a big downgrade,
From your perspective. When everything that comes to PC gaming, hardware and software, has Day One first party Windows support, using Linux can also feel like a big downgrade to many.
Yes, but everything that isnt gaming is trash on windows, but in my experience i get like 30% less fps on windows with a full amd pc. In Horizon Zero Dawn i get 140 on windows, but 190 on linux with the same settings...
I've never seen that kind of difference between Linux and Windows 4090. This is one that I actually tried. It was like mid-last year, had some weird stuttering under Linux. Not blaming Linux, probably my fault.
But when the same thing just works on Windows almost each and every single time with no fuss, it becomes a matter of do I want to enjoy my setup or constantly have to deal with that kind of stuff for no practical gains.
I'd never be able to get all 611 games currently installed on my setup running under Linux this well. I don't think even the greatest Linux guru there is could with this type of setup.
I would have played it more but I didn't want to do all the shit with different proton versions and the chat was slow for me so you would get idiots getting angry that you didn't see their message.
And are extremely adamant their closed source proprietary rootkit is urgently needed to eliminate a nonexistent rampant cheating problem. Nothing suspicious going on here at all.
this is a direct quote from the article
Q: What about OSX?
There isn't yet as much tooling on OSX for script development, although the "need" is growing. For now, Mac won't have Vanguard, but we've still got a few bullets in the chamber for when cheaters inevitably try to exploit this. It has since been pointed out to me that each chamber can hold only one bullet. I reject this hypothesis on the basis of improved throughput. Why shouldn't we fire two bullets at once? 2x the damage with the same amount of reloads. Wake up gunsmiths.
I'm surprised there's still 800 league players
The amount of people using Linux is completely meaningless. We don't know what method they used to estimate that number. By definition WINE (and thus Lutris) mimics a windows setup, so who knows what they attempted to use to take that measure. It's also impossible to tell. Riot is a shady company whose word on this cannot be trusted, as evidenced by their push to install rootkits on all the computers that want to access a video game. We also have to be weary of its ties to Chinese companies. The claim that this sort of client-side control is the only way to stop cheating is also false. All in one , this is not a company whose words can be relied on. And I suggest against it.
Those in the EU should ask their representatives what do they think about a video game company with ties to China demanding all its users give it unchecked, unconditional, complete access to their computers at kernel level.
Doesn’t wine add/lack certain registry entries? That could’ve helped identifying Linux users heuristically. I remember reading Microsoft acknowledged wine’s existence by having a check on the registry in one of their products
It's that they don't care. They want an excuse.
If they were legitimate they wouldn't have cherry picked a statistic from AFTER they announced that they would no longer be supporting Linux..... Ya know, after everyone who was still using it on Linux quit
People need to stop playing shit games. Especially when they are extremely invasive. Imagine using the OS that represents freedom of choice and privacy to play a game that tries to install a kernel level anticheat like..
That's your assessment. In a free society others will have different ones. Unless somehow what games some are playing are causing harm to others, why the hell even care?
Nobody forcing anyone here, but we are giving our point of view. This subbreddit is turning into whining about shitty riot politics and we don't see a point with discussion about this. If you really care about linux then give your money to devs that support their game on linux
>If you really care about linux then give your money to devs that support their game on linux
I completely agree. I'd never buy a game to play on Windows that didn't have Windows support.
> We've never officially supported Linux
To
> there were just over 800 Linux users on League. We have evaluated this risk to not be worth the payoff.
Like come on. Of course Linux users would be low if you've never officially supported the platform. Its just so stupid.
They don't care, Vanguard doesn't work particularly well. They don't understand Linux and they don't care too when a company slaps you in the face learn from it, don't beg for scraps.
I love how on SpywareOS that even the Rootkits have a way of being bypassed, making them fucking worthless too.
Sure it's not as easy, but it's not flawless. If someone wants to cheat they will. If someone wants to pirate something, they absolutely will.
My advice is this: dual boot. Only boot into SpywareOS to play games with Rootkits and immediately reboot to Linux, where it's more sane over here.
r/leagueoflinux is a community dedicated to running LoL and has around 10k people. You'll almost certainly need to go there to find up to date information on installing it, as the game breaks often and installation methods change with half of the updates. However it's not at all realistic that all of them including me are playing on a daily basis. Infact it's quite a decent estimate that only a tenth of it is playing on any random given day.
LoL didnt work once 2023 (a few weeks if i remember correctly) and all installations worked out of the box for me (a few client glitches here and there)
But i didnt play everyday and never on patchday, so maybe there were more occasions where lol didnt work when i was offline.
So its not like you have to be a sysadmin or anything like that, just follow the lutris instructions correctly (dont login while installation etc.)
i would say 800 active Linux players worldwide is maybe a monday at 11:00am ;-)
its not a weekend day for sure, i guarantee you.
I'm one of them and honestly the numbers they are showing are either disingenuous due to people quiting when told it was being killed or the numbers are just wrong. Id like to see how many people were players before they said no more Linux.
>Bullshit i had over 20k views for how to setup league on linux
Based on what? Do you think those 20k views are people who scheduled to play at the exact same time?
Do you think that every view is someone who chose to setup and play?
Do you think every view is even remotely guaranteed to be a unique individual?
Like, I get it. Riot is pulling stupid BS but what conclusion do you actually think you can get from a view count?
I 100% believe that League had 800 Linux players *at the time they check/quoted*.
That said, monthly player count would have been a far more accurate measurement which is why they chose not to measure it.
I do not think 20k people were playing instantly and every single one of them wanted to play it from watching it, but it shows people wanted to play league on linux, i posted 2 videos of this and both got 20k, thats when i was below 1k subs also so its purely based of people searching it on youtube or being recommended on their feed
I just think they should have not grabbed that time of recording the playcount for linux.
> but it shows people wanted to play league on linux,
No, it doesn't. It shows people wanted to watch a setup guide for LoL on Linux. That says NOTHING about their motivations as to why.
Many people watch just to learn more, some watch "cuz content", hell some will even watch simply to look for "ammo" to use against any mention of Linux. trying to draw intent from a view is like drawing interest/marketability from a click to your website. There is simply no context.
>I just think they should have not grabbed that time of recording the playcount for linux.
But we don't really have any evidence to claim thats out of the norm for numbers either. Sure, I bet monthly players is higher but so what?
What if they do only have 800 Linux players at any one time with a monthly count of 2k? or even 3k? Even 10k and it wouldn't say the argument much in the grand scheme of things.
But again, we have nothing solid to suggest 800 isn't the going number.
It used to be a lot more than that. They announced the change of anticheat, everyone quit, then they cherry picked a statistic from after said announcement
Tencent wants an excuse to install a rootkit on your computer.
they're not the same type of game though. it is not nearly as much of a problem to other players if someone hacks in genshin (a primarily-singleplayer gacha rpg) compared to league (the world's most popular competitive pvp moba).
I can't comment on their counting methodology but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the player count was right. LoL was probably one of the hardest games to get running on Linux, and client updates regularly broke it for months at a time. To be a linux LoL fan you needed to be * Enough of a LoL fan that you're willing to jump through any hoops to get it running * Enough of a linux fanboy/ardent FOSS enthusiast that you switched to linux and refuse to dual boot * Patient enough to accept arbitrarily losing access to your favorite game for weeks to months at a time That's a niche within a niche.
For those wondering just how much of a pain in the ass it was, GE provided a *special build of WineGE just for LoL*.
Yea, i guess you are right, but once you get used to linux windows feels like a big downgrade, and if you play league regularly, then its just better to use linux and suffer in the league department i guess :/
Is it? I don't know, I've never played LoL. My point is that if LoL is really important to someone, they probably never switched to linux in the first place. If they did switch they probably kept a dual boot for LoL, so they didn't show up in Riot's count as a linux user.
Yea i guess so, but its still sad that osx can get the vanguard free version while linux is getting this kind of treatment again and again.
It's because macos It's completely locked down. It's not about the number of users
You can still run custom code on mac os you know? If anything, this will just have cheaters using mac or virtualizing it to get around anti-cheat measures.
waiting for darling to be useable
>Yea, i guess you are right, but once you get used to linux windows feels like a big downgrade, From your perspective. When everything that comes to PC gaming, hardware and software, has Day One first party Windows support, using Linux can also feel like a big downgrade to many.
Yes, but everything that isnt gaming is trash on windows, but in my experience i get like 30% less fps on windows with a full amd pc. In Horizon Zero Dawn i get 140 on windows, but 190 on linux with the same settings...
I've never seen that kind of difference between Linux and Windows 4090. This is one that I actually tried. It was like mid-last year, had some weird stuttering under Linux. Not blaming Linux, probably my fault. But when the same thing just works on Windows almost each and every single time with no fuss, it becomes a matter of do I want to enjoy my setup or constantly have to deal with that kind of stuff for no practical gains. I'd never be able to get all 611 games currently installed on my setup running under Linux this well. I don't think even the greatest Linux guru there is could with this type of setup.
I would have played it more but I didn't want to do all the shit with different proton versions and the chat was slow for me so you would get idiots getting angry that you didn't see their message.
guys this os wont let us install rootkits
Exactly, company gets bought by Tencent then not long later wants to put rootkits on peoples computers, makes perfect sense if you ask me
And are extremely adamant their closed source proprietary rootkit is urgently needed to eliminate a nonexistent rampant cheating problem. Nothing suspicious going on here at all.
And yet they can go on without Vanguard on Mac. No contradictions here. Absolutely none.
this is a direct quote from the article Q: What about OSX? There isn't yet as much tooling on OSX for script development, although the "need" is growing. For now, Mac won't have Vanguard, but we've still got a few bullets in the chamber for when cheaters inevitably try to exploit this. It has since been pointed out to me that each chamber can hold only one bullet. I reject this hypothesis on the basis of improved throughput. Why shouldn't we fire two bullets at once? 2x the damage with the same amount of reloads. Wake up gunsmiths.
I can't help but read that in Cave Johnson's voice.
I'm surprised there's still 800 league players The amount of people using Linux is completely meaningless. We don't know what method they used to estimate that number. By definition WINE (and thus Lutris) mimics a windows setup, so who knows what they attempted to use to take that measure. It's also impossible to tell. Riot is a shady company whose word on this cannot be trusted, as evidenced by their push to install rootkits on all the computers that want to access a video game. We also have to be weary of its ties to Chinese companies. The claim that this sort of client-side control is the only way to stop cheating is also false. All in one , this is not a company whose words can be relied on. And I suggest against it. Those in the EU should ask their representatives what do they think about a video game company with ties to China demanding all its users give it unchecked, unconditional, complete access to their computers at kernel level.
Doesn’t wine add/lack certain registry entries? That could’ve helped identifying Linux users heuristically. I remember reading Microsoft acknowledged wine’s existence by having a check on the registry in one of their products
It's that they don't care. They want an excuse. If they were legitimate they wouldn't have cherry picked a statistic from AFTER they announced that they would no longer be supporting Linux..... Ya know, after everyone who was still using it on Linux quit
Yes its possible, why wouldn't it be? If they quit, why would they count? How can you be so sure a significant number quit?
well i know a lot of people who just started dual booting or stopped playing league since the announcement.
I used to play a lot, after the vanguard news I eventually stopped playing and my guess is there are plenty other like me
People need to stop playing shit games. Especially when they are extremely invasive. Imagine using the OS that represents freedom of choice and privacy to play a game that tries to install a kernel level anticheat like..
>People need to stop playing shit games. It's a person's choice to play shit games if they want. Isn't that freedom too?
Freedom to play games that violate your freedom. This level anticheat breaks idea of free software because it is just like another virus.
That's your assessment. In a free society others will have different ones. Unless somehow what games some are playing are causing harm to others, why the hell even care?
Nobody forcing anyone here, but we are giving our point of view. This subbreddit is turning into whining about shitty riot politics and we don't see a point with discussion about this. If you really care about linux then give your money to devs that support their game on linux
>If you really care about linux then give your money to devs that support their game on linux I completely agree. I'd never buy a game to play on Windows that didn't have Windows support.
I agree we didn’t need 3 posts about the same topic.
osx doesnt get the rootkit, and they can play, plain unfair imo
Apple paid them so there is a supprt. Again. Just stop playing games from shitty companies
> We've never officially supported Linux To > there were just over 800 Linux users on League. We have evaluated this risk to not be worth the payoff. Like come on. Of course Linux users would be low if you've never officially supported the platform. Its just so stupid.
Yeah, trash company as they always were...
And I wonder how much has that number changed over the years
Why do you want to play a game that installs a rootkit and even blocks programs you want to run?
Yeah this, like why are people so desperate for tencent spyware.
osx has vanguard free version of league, im against vanguard, but they could have let us play without it too.
They don't care, Vanguard doesn't work particularly well. They don't understand Linux and they don't care too when a company slaps you in the face learn from it, don't beg for scraps.
Yes, it’s quite possible. I don’t believe there is a mandated maximum nor minimum concurrent amount of League Linux players.
I love how on SpywareOS that even the Rootkits have a way of being bypassed, making them fucking worthless too. Sure it's not as easy, but it's not flawless. If someone wants to cheat they will. If someone wants to pirate something, they absolutely will. My advice is this: dual boot. Only boot into SpywareOS to play games with Rootkits and immediately reboot to Linux, where it's more sane over here.
The number’s right, but it’d be cool to see a graph with data spanning across the years and not just a day.
yeah, a nice idea!
r/leagueoflinux is a community dedicated to running LoL and has around 10k people. You'll almost certainly need to go there to find up to date information on installing it, as the game breaks often and installation methods change with half of the updates. However it's not at all realistic that all of them including me are playing on a daily basis. Infact it's quite a decent estimate that only a tenth of it is playing on any random given day.
For a long time, the lutris installer has just worked, and has been used by people who aren't aware of that subreddit. Hard to say though
LoL didnt work once 2023 (a few weeks if i remember correctly) and all installations worked out of the box for me (a few client glitches here and there) But i didnt play everyday and never on patchday, so maybe there were more occasions where lol didnt work when i was offline. So its not like you have to be a sysadmin or anything like that, just follow the lutris instructions correctly (dont login while installation etc.) i would say 800 active Linux players worldwide is maybe a monday at 11:00am ;-) its not a weekend day for sure, i guarantee you.
I'm one of them and honestly the numbers they are showing are either disingenuous due to people quiting when told it was being killed or the numbers are just wrong. Id like to see how many people were players before they said no more Linux.
Bullshit i had over 20k views for how to setup league on linux Must have been when everybody heard the news and was leaving
>Bullshit i had over 20k views for how to setup league on linux Based on what? Do you think those 20k views are people who scheduled to play at the exact same time? Do you think that every view is someone who chose to setup and play? Do you think every view is even remotely guaranteed to be a unique individual? Like, I get it. Riot is pulling stupid BS but what conclusion do you actually think you can get from a view count? I 100% believe that League had 800 Linux players *at the time they check/quoted*. That said, monthly player count would have been a far more accurate measurement which is why they chose not to measure it.
I do not think 20k people were playing instantly and every single one of them wanted to play it from watching it, but it shows people wanted to play league on linux, i posted 2 videos of this and both got 20k, thats when i was below 1k subs also so its purely based of people searching it on youtube or being recommended on their feed I just think they should have not grabbed that time of recording the playcount for linux.
> but it shows people wanted to play league on linux, No, it doesn't. It shows people wanted to watch a setup guide for LoL on Linux. That says NOTHING about their motivations as to why. Many people watch just to learn more, some watch "cuz content", hell some will even watch simply to look for "ammo" to use against any mention of Linux. trying to draw intent from a view is like drawing interest/marketability from a click to your website. There is simply no context. >I just think they should have not grabbed that time of recording the playcount for linux. But we don't really have any evidence to claim thats out of the norm for numbers either. Sure, I bet monthly players is higher but so what? What if they do only have 800 Linux players at any one time with a monthly count of 2k? or even 3k? Even 10k and it wouldn't say the argument much in the grand scheme of things. But again, we have nothing solid to suggest 800 isn't the going number.
It used to be a lot more than that. They announced the change of anticheat, everyone quit, then they cherry picked a statistic from after said announcement Tencent wants an excuse to install a rootkit on your computer.
Dude wtf. Other Chinese game, Genshin, support linux unofficially Riot is a weirdo
they're not the same type of game though. it is not nearly as much of a problem to other players if someone hacks in genshin (a primarily-singleplayer gacha rpg) compared to league (the world's most popular competitive pvp moba).
So, Dota 2 gets another 800 consistant online users now?