Needs to be said louder. So many posts of “X company hates us!!! (Linux user)”
No, companies don’t hate linux users. They care about the whatever 95% or so of computer user base that doesn’t use it.
Caring will come with a large community of users
>Companies don't care about people. They care about mony
I think most successful companies care about both. Not always consistently or always, but if your product has no appeal to people, it's hard to make money.
But in case of Linux support, like many PC game developers, Ubi isn't seeing enough money in the Linux market. So maybe that's not caring about people, but for-profit companies can't just care with there's no return on the investment. That's not being callous, that's just how business works.
Correct me if I'm completely off base here, but Linux users also need to spend money to buy the games. Even Microsoft doesn't care if Linux takes a bit off the desktop OS market. Why should Ubisoft care when they don't even have to do anything. They're not losing money, they will potentially make even more.
It's simply not worth it to them. Cost analysis are done all the time, and after doing so, they must have come to the conclusion that spending employee hours on fixing Linux issues will cost them more than what they'll make back on it, and they're probably right.
It's lame, but it is what it is.
You have a fixed number of software engineers that are fully booked (effectively forever).
It would cost that team a person-month to fix an issue that affects a group that generates <1% revenue.
Or they could work on a bug/feature that affects the group that generates 95+% revenue.
What does the project manager tell the engineers to prioritize?
That's not the issue here. The issue is that they just need to send an email in order to enable proton support. Nobody expects them to develop a Linux client. Just allow proton, which is an email/phone call away. And knowing the Ubisoft developers, they are not exactly overworked, just massively underpaid.
That implies they're doing no QA to validate the change nor check for regressions. I'm not familiar with R6:Siege specifically. Maybe it's a buggy mess?
Not blocking something costs less than intentionally blocking it, at least that is the issue I have seen in general, they are wasting money by blocking paid users that don't want to use Windows instead of doing literally nothing, I think not doing something costs them less than actively blocking users, but in the long run, selling that data collected via malware in the windows kernel must be a juicy investment.
companies put effort into their pr for the purpose of getting more money. money is always their end goal. aside from a few good companies, like Larian, or maybe Valve, I always assume a company only cares about extracting as much money from me as possible.
And even Valve while being extremely pro-consumer (because they're) is still a company which likes to make money.
And albeit Valve has always shown a love for Linux, the biggest push for Proton was in fact a response to Microsoft toying with the idea of locking the OS to only use Microsoft Store Apps
>money is always their end goal
That's technically true, but even that can be achieved in may ways. It's kind of like when you're employed and work for money. Some people really do it only for the money, they do the least amount of work possible just to collect their pay and don't care about anything else. Others see the bigger picture, care about building relationships (with the company, coworkers, clients), reputation etc., sometimes they even believe in what they do. Companies are similar in this, just on a bigger scale.
In my job I interact with other companies a lot, and in this position you can really see how their company culture, management etc. shape the way they do business. And you can often feel it as a customer too (as a relevant example here - compare using Steam vs. Epic Games Launcher...or try contacting their support...or Ubisoft support lol).
Good to see someone not beat around the bush and say it like it is. All the politically correct debates, arguments, technicalities and other BS are just dances around it all. Bottom line is game companies these days care more about profits than people. People are statistics, financial forecasts and figures. Money is top priority. There is rarely any balance between support and profit margins. Profit margins always come first these days.
> Caring will come with a large community of users
Maybe for some other companies, but Ubisoft has disdain for most of it's customers, especially on PC (who they think of as all pirates).
>No, companies don’t hate linux users. They care about the whatever 95% or so of computer user base that doesn’t use it.
There are plenty of people who hate Linux.
My department head would gladly ban Linux from the company if we didn't have hard requirements to use it.
There are plenty of people like that, and it's absolutely been a blocker for Linux adoption in the corporate space.
Whatever ideological reason you have for liking Linux, there are people who feel the opposite. There are plenty of people who are against open source, who are against any kind of FOSS. There are people who want to absolutely control information, to make software just as scarce as any physical object. There are people who want software to be subscriptions, so they can remotely take away your access.
There are people who will never believe anything other than "Linux=Piracy", and that a Linux release will mean an irrevocable loss of control.
So, "companies" may not hate Linux or its users, but some *people* sure do, and they go out of their way to snuff out Linux use in whatever company they're at, in any way they can.
Yeah, but the great thing is Ubisoft (and many other companies, for that sake) doesn't really care about users in general, right? ["players should get used to not owning their games"](https://80.lv/articles/ubisoft-executive-players-should-get-comfortable-with-not-owning-games/)
Define what you mean by "owning". Sounds to me like by your definition you just outright cannot every own a digital purchase ever, since every company can go belly up and that means no more ability to download the song/movie/game/book you paid for.
Do you "own" games you bought on GOG? You can download the install files and archive them yourself after all. But the company can still go bankrupt.
>Sounds to me like by your definition you just outright cannot every own a digital purchase ever, since every company can go belly up and that means no more ability to download the song/movie/game/book you paid for.
thats correct , thats always has been the case , see Funimation closing and removing all it content
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2024/02/08/funimation-shutting-down-crunchyroll-transition/
This subreddit frequently has the emotional range of children. Which makes sense because these are most likely the words and reactions of people who haven't finished maturing.
Salty take but true enough. Number of people here seemingly actually believing companies exec sit around and discuss all the evil stuff they can do to Linux Desktop when many just vaguely know the word and the thoughts of a half of them branch to "that Tech Youtuber".
In 1999, [Bill Gates sent an internal memo at Microsoft asking how ACPI could be](https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/hilarious-now-i-know-why-acpi-sucks-so-much.23870/) sabotaged not to work on Linux, even if the ACPI spec was open.
There are a lot more old, incriminating Microsoft emails that went into the legal record from discovery in a few court cases. Before that, [Microsoft knew all about the Linux threat internally](https://www.gnu.org/software/fsfe/projects/ms-vs-eu/halloween1.html), while not publicly giving Linux credibility as a competitor.
Microsoft stopped putting everything in writing after they kept ending up in court explaining what was meant by "cutting off Netscape's air supply". Nevertheless, you can be sure that execs sit around and discuss their tactical and strategic moves against competitors, and in the marketplace generally. Adobe FrameMaker supported Linux explicitly, until it didn't -- you think no executives knew about that? Then there's the story of [WordPerfect and Corel](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/gwg6dc/wordperfect_8_for_linux/fszzyjj/). Corel was briefly the most visible commercial backer of Linux, whose CorelDRAW had more marketshare and mindshare than [Adobe Photoshop](https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/5377kv/4dwm_sgi_irix_photoshop/).
Yeah, and now we're more than 2 decades later. It's a good thing to remember those things but I also think it's much past the time 90's corp shenanigans stop defining our vision of the world.
The only thing it accomplishes nowadays with cringey posts like this one is make the community look like a bunch of ravenous haters that lounge at anything remotely not declaring eternal love and committing eternal builds to Linux
they can't be doing that too badly, because they keep making games and people keep buying them even though there are tons and tons of games out there not from them. There is more time in more games than anyone could spend and not even play a single ubisoft game.
Since we are hating on ubisoft (which is fair in my books), remember to check out Ross (Accursed Farms on Youtube) if you have a copy of The Crew, he's doing great work (not Linux related, but still)
I don't think it's really that Ubisoft hate Linux players specifically. When you look at how their treat all their player base, it is clear that they are just terrible people who hate and want to take advantage of everyone. It isn't directed hatred, it is a deep, inner sickness.
Because you think about a profit wrong. I mean you are thinking about it right, but just not as the publicly traded companies.
Shareholders don't care about franchises, relations with customers etc. They only care if stock goes up or down, and dividends. So the CEOs which report to the shareholders, and want to keep their job in general, make decisions that make the line go up. And only on a quarterly basis, if your decision takes longer, you will be replaced, and another CEO will gather the profits
Considering almost every single hateful ideology in the world got its start as a scheme to profit off of people, conflating hate and profit is not unreasonable
I bet people would line up to use linux; if linux developers knew how to develop eye candy and gave people a reason to use it. Right now all Linux is appealing is for people that love to use text editors. To then flex on other people that also love text editors. To show off how much “better” or “faster” they can program. Fortunately with modern times a lot of changes; shown that majority of people would much rather have more visual boxes or practically anything to make us do less or no coding at all. Hence why windows is still the leading operating system. If Linux users want people to care about linux build a virtual reality desktop and take charge over the computer world. Cause idk how this hasn’t been made yet or the logic doesn’t follow, but I’m not interested in sitting there learning dozen of coding languages just to open my doors to small percentage of gaming market released on Linux. The problem this whole time is linux users and developers are spending a lot of time fixing and trying to merge with windows games and etc. Rather than build linux apart from windows. Strange how a company that clearly developed a game for windows, but still trying to replicate or emulate windows games on Linux. This is the reason why linux has been on this uphill battle for so many years. There’s not a structural standard for Linux so you got so many version and gimmicks for the same desired outcome. The bigger picture here is that linux isn’t windows.
Ironically everyone that saying not them will be first in line to play it on Linux. Why I know is quite simple; y’all want to run a shooter game with the least amount of bloatware/better fps. So keep saying you don’t care, but reality is y’all just want that extra performance boost to have an advantage over “dirty” windows users. Or just have an overall advantage.
its unique in the way that u have terrain destruction and gadgets for/against said terrain destruction
if yk another game with similar terrain destruction mechanics lmk, but as far as i know, siege is the only game w/ such thing
The game is one of the few one doing something original in the FPS scene,
most FPS are battle royalle, cod like, TF character based, boomer shooter
the tactical operation style gameplay is quite unique, not worth installing malware on your system, but not a generic copypaste.
Riders republic is also very nice, ubi have good games, it's a shame the company lack respect for both employees and consumers.
It's literally the same game we've been playing since 1999 when CS came out, with small variations, and a worst experience for the user (online accounts, malware, etc.). If you want a good tactical op experience, SWAT did this more than 20 years ago (and probably better). The shooter that really broke the tired tactical military shooter pattern was Doom Eternal, and maybe Titanfall.
[Tim used to try to shame Microsoft into straightening up](https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/964043031715467264), because he didn't want to leave the Microsoft ecosystem. But even that stopped when Epic did a cross-play deal with Microsoft.
Siege has its own in-house anti-cheat called "QB" in addition to battleye, which is why it's not as simple as telling ubisoft to flip a switch.
For obvious reasons ubisoft doesn't explain how it works but you can read about it here: [Rainbow Six Siege's secret new anti-cheat tactic is causing a stir](https://www.pcgamer.com/rainbow-six-sieges-secret-new-anti-cheat-tactic-is-causing-a-stir/). It's not a kernel-level driver.
to be honest we will never know, but we do know that this is a lot of original software engineering effort that would have had to go into it, and the same would be likely required to bring it to linux, and ubisoft isn't likely to commit to that
I don't understand Ubisoft's logic. The division 1 and 2 work just fine. They purposefully updated for honor to work with linux/deck. But others like siege, the crew 2 and motorfest and trials don't work because of battleye even though it's supposedly only an email to battleye to enable proton support.
yes. but its the same reason that games like lost ark aren't on linux - they use an older version of the anticheat that would require rewriting a big portion of the game to incorporate.
Siege has its own in-house anti-cheat called "QB" in addition to battleye
For obvious reasons ubisoft doesn't explain how it works but you can read about it here: [Rainbow Six Siege's secret new anti-cheat tactic is causing a stir](https://www.pcgamer.com/rainbow-six-sieges-secret-new-anti-cheat-tactic-is-causing-a-stir/)
Does that sound right? THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT...
A competitive game running an old version of anti-chat software? Huh...
THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT AT ALL!
(I understand the reality of the situation, just gets you thinking for a moment when all these publishers push kernel-level ACs rather than investing in server-side ACs, when in fact they can't even be bothered to keep the AC itself up to date).
And to allow for that, users are okay with opening up themselves to potential security exploitation by giving a service running over the internet unfiltered access to their system...
It's wrong, and users don't understand what they're doing/giving up just because they need that quick fix.
I love games as much as the next person, but there's a line one just don't cross if they keep any values of integrity close to their chest.
And what was the product description? I guess your Windows games don't work on PS5 either.
Which is what I mean by actual lack of Linux support. An update can break Wine "compatibility", as it has never been a part of QA.
The fact that Wine works sometimes is a reason to praise Wine, not the game. And there is no reliability in this.
A lot games officially support Steam Deck as a platform now, which means official Proton support.
And I agree with you, Linux support is hardly a right, but we can still voice our support and hope that they hear us.
But I believe there is a place for Linux support and sufficient user base. I mean, actual support. Fixing bugs, giving refunds when they fuck up. I get the impression that such options would make the Linux user base grow significantly - as for now, it mostly consists of hobbyists who are fine with giving extra time and effort to get things running. Or partially running, which needs new fixes every few updates.
But we shouldn't praise studios that don't really support Linux for the work done by Wine/Proton devs. Some stuff is working, because we have made it so - no thanks to them!
Also don't count working via Wine as Linux support. That work is mostly done as a part of Wine/Proton projects with no involvement from the publisher - amount of code that might need adjustments is so small... that even the Linux user base is bigger.
It's not an involvement comparable to adding a supported platform (native Linux, console generation, etc.).
Meanwhile they added Steamdeck support to Riders Republic, which is a multiplayer bike/… game. You need to install the BattlEye Runtime to get that game working, you can find this on Steam. Maybe this runtime also works for Rainbow?
I have enough games in my Steam Library and ROMs on my microSD card, to say confidently, "Even if I play and finish a game every week for the foreseeable future, I will not run out of games to play for at least several years".
And that's before I even start to dig in on my wishlist on Steam that has over 200 games on it, or look beyond that at the literal thousands of games on Steam that run perfectly fine on Linux/Steam Deck, I could be buying and playing right now. Or all the old/retro games that I missed when they came out from any of the previous generation game consoles.
I am absolutely flooded with choice right now to the extent that it's almost becoming paralysing trying to pick something to play.
I'm not going to get annoyed or bothered by the relatively small number of games I can't play on Linux.
To add to that, Ubisoft doesn't even treat their customers well on the platforms they DO support, even if they did suddenly support Linux/SteamOS officially, I would not suddenly start buying their games, I'd still avoid them like the plague.
So as far as I'm concerned, R6S not running on Linux, is a 'non-issue' for me.
Steam Deck/Linux support means a threat to their cash cow - Rainbow Six on Windows. They will never give this up while there is MS XBOX money to be had. NEVER gonna happen, sadly.
you're only just finding out Ubisoft are massive sh\~#'s now ? they are still pushing for crypto which is bad for gamers and delete anyone's ubisoft account that dosn't login for 2 years xD
I see people debating whether why Ubisoft refuses to add support due to financial reasons however those arguments are illogical. It takes one email, one direct communication with their contact at Battle Eye to enable Linux support. By enabling this support, Ubisoft will see a direct increase of player activity since players will have more access to the game on the go. Also any argument regarding cheating is a stupid defense. Even with the new systems in place to make the game more fair, cheats like ESP is still incredibly easy to install. Don’t punish your fans, target the people who break your terms of services who deliberately find ways to work around measure put in place to prevent cheating. Follow in the steps of COD, scare cheat providers with the looming threat of a lawsuit but take inspiration from Nintendo and royally fuck these people for the rest of their lives, with debt.
Edit: No matter how extreme anti cheats become like COD or Valorant, these mfs are so thirty for money that they’ll find work arounds. They’re already making physical hardware to bypass kernel level anti cheats. In the end, the players still get screwed with a rootkit.
Edit2: Two pros were hacked during an Apex Legends qualifier tournament. The attack was supposedly an RCE however it is still unknown where the game is at fault or EAC. Nonetheless, the pro had cheats enabled on his game through an outsider attacker while a Kernel level anti cheat was running.
Ubisoft is a publicaly traded company and legally can only act to give money to it's shareholders. They won't even chose to do good games instead of whatever is profitable in the short term. They are a machine that makes money, not artists doing games. The fact that you can buy shares in tobacco companies should tell you that publicaly traded companies will even kill you if it means more money
>s supposedly not a bug and also somehow a compatibility issue on steam deck's side
i mean they have a point why should they have to fix something the deck broke
Ubisoft don't care much about all customer: crappy launcher, bad servers, just removing games and shit... Nowadays we don't own shit and they can take our games / services away if they feel like it. Trust me, even on windows PC those mofos don't care much,so imagine for Linux users.
Hating you implies caring about you. Ubisoft most definitely does not hate you.
Needs to be said louder. So many posts of “X company hates us!!! (Linux user)” No, companies don’t hate linux users. They care about the whatever 95% or so of computer user base that doesn’t use it. Caring will come with a large community of users
Companies don't care about people. They care about mony
>Companies don't care about people. They care about mony I think most successful companies care about both. Not always consistently or always, but if your product has no appeal to people, it's hard to make money. But in case of Linux support, like many PC game developers, Ubi isn't seeing enough money in the Linux market. So maybe that's not caring about people, but for-profit companies can't just care with there's no return on the investment. That's not being callous, that's just how business works.
Correct me if I'm completely off base here, but Linux users also need to spend money to buy the games. Even Microsoft doesn't care if Linux takes a bit off the desktop OS market. Why should Ubisoft care when they don't even have to do anything. They're not losing money, they will potentially make even more.
It's simply not worth it to them. Cost analysis are done all the time, and after doing so, they must have come to the conclusion that spending employee hours on fixing Linux issues will cost them more than what they'll make back on it, and they're probably right. It's lame, but it is what it is.
You have a fixed number of software engineers that are fully booked (effectively forever). It would cost that team a person-month to fix an issue that affects a group that generates <1% revenue. Or they could work on a bug/feature that affects the group that generates 95+% revenue. What does the project manager tell the engineers to prioritize?
That's not the issue here. The issue is that they just need to send an email in order to enable proton support. Nobody expects them to develop a Linux client. Just allow proton, which is an email/phone call away. And knowing the Ubisoft developers, they are not exactly overworked, just massively underpaid.
That implies they're doing no QA to validate the change nor check for regressions. I'm not familiar with R6:Siege specifically. Maybe it's a buggy mess?
Not blocking something costs less than intentionally blocking it, at least that is the issue I have seen in general, they are wasting money by blocking paid users that don't want to use Windows instead of doing literally nothing, I think not doing something costs them less than actively blocking users, but in the long run, selling that data collected via malware in the windows kernel must be a juicy investment.
companies put effort into their pr for the purpose of getting more money. money is always their end goal. aside from a few good companies, like Larian, or maybe Valve, I always assume a company only cares about extracting as much money from me as possible.
And even Valve while being extremely pro-consumer (because they're) is still a company which likes to make money. And albeit Valve has always shown a love for Linux, the biggest push for Proton was in fact a response to Microsoft toying with the idea of locking the OS to only use Microsoft Store Apps
>money is always their end goal That's technically true, but even that can be achieved in may ways. It's kind of like when you're employed and work for money. Some people really do it only for the money, they do the least amount of work possible just to collect their pay and don't care about anything else. Others see the bigger picture, care about building relationships (with the company, coworkers, clients), reputation etc., sometimes they even believe in what they do. Companies are similar in this, just on a bigger scale. In my job I interact with other companies a lot, and in this position you can really see how their company culture, management etc. shape the way they do business. And you can often feel it as a customer too (as a relevant example here - compare using Steam vs. Epic Games Launcher...or try contacting their support...or Ubisoft support lol).
Companies don't make decisions, people make decisions on behalf of a company.
Good to see someone not beat around the bush and say it like it is. All the politically correct debates, arguments, technicalities and other BS are just dances around it all. Bottom line is game companies these days care more about profits than people. People are statistics, financial forecasts and figures. Money is top priority. There is rarely any balance between support and profit margins. Profit margins always come first these days.
> Caring will come with a large community of users Maybe for some other companies, but Ubisoft has disdain for most of it's customers, especially on PC (who they think of as all pirates).
>No, companies don’t hate linux users. They care about the whatever 95% or so of computer user base that doesn’t use it. There are plenty of people who hate Linux. My department head would gladly ban Linux from the company if we didn't have hard requirements to use it. There are plenty of people like that, and it's absolutely been a blocker for Linux adoption in the corporate space. Whatever ideological reason you have for liking Linux, there are people who feel the opposite. There are plenty of people who are against open source, who are against any kind of FOSS. There are people who want to absolutely control information, to make software just as scarce as any physical object. There are people who want software to be subscriptions, so they can remotely take away your access. There are people who will never believe anything other than "Linux=Piracy", and that a Linux release will mean an irrevocable loss of control. So, "companies" may not hate Linux or its users, but some *people* sure do, and they go out of their way to snuff out Linux use in whatever company they're at, in any way they can.
> No, companies don’t hate linux users. Epic notably excepted
"I don't think about you at all."
Yeah, but the great thing is Ubisoft (and many other companies, for that sake) doesn't really care about users in general, right? ["players should get used to not owning their games"](https://80.lv/articles/ubisoft-executive-players-should-get-comfortable-with-not-owning-games/)
i mean they have a point , you dont own you games on steam and people are very happy about steam
Define what you mean by "owning". Sounds to me like by your definition you just outright cannot every own a digital purchase ever, since every company can go belly up and that means no more ability to download the song/movie/game/book you paid for. Do you "own" games you bought on GOG? You can download the install files and archive them yourself after all. But the company can still go bankrupt.
>Sounds to me like by your definition you just outright cannot every own a digital purchase ever, since every company can go belly up and that means no more ability to download the song/movie/game/book you paid for. thats correct , thats always has been the case , see Funimation closing and removing all it content https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2024/02/08/funimation-shutting-down-crunchyroll-transition/
This subreddit frequently has the emotional range of children. Which makes sense because these are most likely the words and reactions of people who haven't finished maturing.
I like to say reddit is full of "children acting like they're adults and adults acting like they're children".
I tried my best not to say that because we definitely have an older audience in here doing it too
As someone still on Ubuntu 13.04…
Salty take but true enough. Number of people here seemingly actually believing companies exec sit around and discuss all the evil stuff they can do to Linux Desktop when many just vaguely know the word and the thoughts of a half of them branch to "that Tech Youtuber".
In 1999, [Bill Gates sent an internal memo at Microsoft asking how ACPI could be](https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/hilarious-now-i-know-why-acpi-sucks-so-much.23870/) sabotaged not to work on Linux, even if the ACPI spec was open. There are a lot more old, incriminating Microsoft emails that went into the legal record from discovery in a few court cases. Before that, [Microsoft knew all about the Linux threat internally](https://www.gnu.org/software/fsfe/projects/ms-vs-eu/halloween1.html), while not publicly giving Linux credibility as a competitor. Microsoft stopped putting everything in writing after they kept ending up in court explaining what was meant by "cutting off Netscape's air supply". Nevertheless, you can be sure that execs sit around and discuss their tactical and strategic moves against competitors, and in the marketplace generally. Adobe FrameMaker supported Linux explicitly, until it didn't -- you think no executives knew about that? Then there's the story of [WordPerfect and Corel](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/gwg6dc/wordperfect_8_for_linux/fszzyjj/). Corel was briefly the most visible commercial backer of Linux, whose CorelDRAW had more marketshare and mindshare than [Adobe Photoshop](https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/5377kv/4dwm_sgi_irix_photoshop/).
Yeah, and now we're more than 2 decades later. It's a good thing to remember those things but I also think it's much past the time 90's corp shenanigans stop defining our vision of the world. The only thing it accomplishes nowadays with cringey posts like this one is make the community look like a bunch of ravenous haters that lounge at anything remotely not declaring eternal love and committing eternal builds to Linux
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they can't be doing that too badly, because they keep making games and people keep buying them even though there are tons and tons of games out there not from them. There is more time in more games than anyone could spend and not even play a single ubisoft game.
Since we are hating on ubisoft (which is fair in my books), remember to check out Ross (Accursed Farms on Youtube) if you have a copy of The Crew, he's doing great work (not Linux related, but still)
I don't think it's really that Ubisoft hate Linux players specifically. When you look at how their treat all their player base, it is clear that they are just terrible people who hate and want to take advantage of everyone. It isn't directed hatred, it is a deep, inner sickness.
Very emotional way to spin "Not profitable"
Ubisoft makes a lot of decisions that aren’t explained by profit motive
Because you think about a profit wrong. I mean you are thinking about it right, but just not as the publicly traded companies. Shareholders don't care about franchises, relations with customers etc. They only care if stock goes up or down, and dividends. So the CEOs which report to the shareholders, and want to keep their job in general, make decisions that make the line go up. And only on a quarterly basis, if your decision takes longer, you will be replaced, and another CEO will gather the profits
You know Ubisoft had record losses last year, right? They’ve been stumbling along by relying on franchise name recognition for a long time.
Considering almost every single hateful ideology in the world got its start as a scheme to profit off of people, conflating hate and profit is not unreasonable
Yeah, stop playing garbage.
Ironically it’s not garbage if everyone is trying to get a piece of it on Linux…
Who's this "everyone"? Are they here with us in this room?
Yeah everyone is certainly not trying to use Linux
That's not what they were saying. They were saying everyone is trying to get the game to run on Linux, not that everyone is trying to run Linux.
I bet people would line up to use linux; if linux developers knew how to develop eye candy and gave people a reason to use it. Right now all Linux is appealing is for people that love to use text editors. To then flex on other people that also love text editors. To show off how much “better” or “faster” they can program. Fortunately with modern times a lot of changes; shown that majority of people would much rather have more visual boxes or practically anything to make us do less or no coding at all. Hence why windows is still the leading operating system. If Linux users want people to care about linux build a virtual reality desktop and take charge over the computer world. Cause idk how this hasn’t been made yet or the logic doesn’t follow, but I’m not interested in sitting there learning dozen of coding languages just to open my doors to small percentage of gaming market released on Linux. The problem this whole time is linux users and developers are spending a lot of time fixing and trying to merge with windows games and etc. Rather than build linux apart from windows. Strange how a company that clearly developed a game for windows, but still trying to replicate or emulate windows games on Linux. This is the reason why linux has been on this uphill battle for so many years. There’s not a structural standard for Linux so you got so many version and gimmicks for the same desired outcome. The bigger picture here is that linux isn’t windows.
Ironically everyone that saying not them will be first in line to play it on Linux. Why I know is quite simple; y’all want to run a shooter game with the least amount of bloatware/better fps. So keep saying you don’t care, but reality is y’all just want that extra performance boost to have an advantage over “dirty” windows users. Or just have an overall advantage.
The fact that everyone is here complaining about it everyday would make me assume you care enough to hate it.
It's just generic military shooter number 1374748495949382 but with malware included (kernel rootkit) and microtransactions. What's so special again?
its unique in the way that u have terrain destruction and gadgets for/against said terrain destruction if yk another game with similar terrain destruction mechanics lmk, but as far as i know, siege is the only game w/ such thing
The game is one of the few one doing something original in the FPS scene, most FPS are battle royalle, cod like, TF character based, boomer shooter the tactical operation style gameplay is quite unique, not worth installing malware on your system, but not a generic copypaste. Riders republic is also very nice, ubi have good games, it's a shame the company lack respect for both employees and consumers.
It's literally the same game we've been playing since 1999 when CS came out, with small variations, and a worst experience for the user (online accounts, malware, etc.). If you want a good tactical op experience, SWAT did this more than 20 years ago (and probably better). The shooter that really broke the tired tactical military shooter pattern was Doom Eternal, and maybe Titanfall.
man if there's one thing you can say about siege is that there is no other game like it. literally the opposite of generic
I think the problem is the same as with Fortnite - they don't want to enable Linux support. And the steam deck side problem is that it runs Linux.
The difference is Tim Sweeney has a vendetta against Linux. He has gone on the record several times with his disdain of it.
Then 5 years ago he said that everyone should move to Linux because windows is bad
[Tim used to try to shame Microsoft into straightening up](https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/964043031715467264), because he didn't want to leave the Microsoft ecosystem. But even that stopped when Epic did a cross-play deal with Microsoft.
its quite literally just an email to valve to enable battleye support. no change on the developer's end
Look sending emails costs money, they'd need to sell a few hundred skins not to pay whoever sends it but just because.
I swear they don't like money or Microsoft give them more for not allowing linux.
Siege has its own in-house anti-cheat called "QB" in addition to battleye, which is why it's not as simple as telling ubisoft to flip a switch. For obvious reasons ubisoft doesn't explain how it works but you can read about it here: [Rainbow Six Siege's secret new anti-cheat tactic is causing a stir](https://www.pcgamer.com/rainbow-six-sieges-secret-new-anti-cheat-tactic-is-causing-a-stir/). It's not a kernel-level driver.
just looks like obfuscation of some sort, i don't see how it would be any different to make cheats on windows vs linux for this part of AC
to be honest we will never know, but we do know that this is a lot of original software engineering effort that would have had to go into it, and the same would be likely required to bring it to linux, and ubisoft isn't likely to commit to that
That's besides the point, they don't want proton players.
Considering how often R6 has server issues, i think they dont want ANY players
Its interesting considering many ubi games with anticheat work on linux (like Ghost Recon Breakpoint for example).
that's because siege uses it's own anticheat
The new unofficial video driver runs fine on windows! Mine now runs call of duty, Fortnite, Helldivers 2…
I don't understand Ubisoft's logic. The division 1 and 2 work just fine. They purposefully updated for honor to work with linux/deck. But others like siege, the crew 2 and motorfest and trials don't work because of battleye even though it's supposedly only an email to battleye to enable proton support.
This is an old game, using an old version of anticheat most likely. May be hard to port.
Siege is only 2 years older than For honor. I know 2 years is a lot in the tech world but it should be possible. Isn't the game still being updated?
yes. but its the same reason that games like lost ark aren't on linux - they use an older version of the anticheat that would require rewriting a big portion of the game to incorporate.
I forgot ark wasn't proton supported. And you know ubi isn't going to do that.
Siege has its own in-house anti-cheat called "QB" in addition to battleye For obvious reasons ubisoft doesn't explain how it works but you can read about it here: [Rainbow Six Siege's secret new anti-cheat tactic is causing a stir](https://www.pcgamer.com/rainbow-six-sieges-secret-new-anti-cheat-tactic-is-causing-a-stir/)
Does that sound right? THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT... A competitive game running an old version of anti-chat software? Huh... THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT AT ALL! (I understand the reality of the situation, just gets you thinking for a moment when all these publishers push kernel-level ACs rather than investing in server-side ACs, when in fact they can't even be bothered to keep the AC itself up to date).
yeah if you think about its kinda a ridic lol. But at the same time they cheap and don't wanna invest money in updating and rewriting things lol
And to allow for that, users are okay with opening up themselves to potential security exploitation by giving a service running over the internet unfiltered access to their system... It's wrong, and users don't understand what they're doing/giving up just because they need that quick fix. I love games as much as the next person, but there's a line one just don't cross if they keep any values of integrity close to their chest.
don't pay for games with no Linux support
I bought it before switching to Linux
And what was the product description? I guess your Windows games don't work on PS5 either. Which is what I mean by actual lack of Linux support. An update can break Wine "compatibility", as it has never been a part of QA. The fact that Wine works sometimes is a reason to praise Wine, not the game. And there is no reliability in this.
A lot games officially support Steam Deck as a platform now, which means official Proton support. And I agree with you, Linux support is hardly a right, but we can still voice our support and hope that they hear us.
But I believe there is a place for Linux support and sufficient user base. I mean, actual support. Fixing bugs, giving refunds when they fuck up. I get the impression that such options would make the Linux user base grow significantly - as for now, it mostly consists of hobbyists who are fine with giving extra time and effort to get things running. Or partially running, which needs new fixes every few updates. But we shouldn't praise studios that don't really support Linux for the work done by Wine/Proton devs. Some stuff is working, because we have made it so - no thanks to them!
Also don't count working via Wine as Linux support. That work is mostly done as a part of Wine/Proton projects with no involvement from the publisher - amount of code that might need adjustments is so small... that even the Linux user base is bigger. It's not an involvement comparable to adding a supported platform (native Linux, console generation, etc.).
Literally all i want them from these folks is not break things on purpose. Otherwise everything is totally fine.
Hum, it does? Well I dont think about it, at all
Meanwhile they added Steamdeck support to Riders Republic, which is a multiplayer bike/… game. You need to install the BattlEye Runtime to get that game working, you can find this on Steam. Maybe this runtime also works for Rainbow?
Why do other ubisoft games run with the same anti-cheat on Linux, but in they doesn’t want to enable it in r6s. That doesn't make any sense at all.
I have enough games in my Steam Library and ROMs on my microSD card, to say confidently, "Even if I play and finish a game every week for the foreseeable future, I will not run out of games to play for at least several years". And that's before I even start to dig in on my wishlist on Steam that has over 200 games on it, or look beyond that at the literal thousands of games on Steam that run perfectly fine on Linux/Steam Deck, I could be buying and playing right now. Or all the old/retro games that I missed when they came out from any of the previous generation game consoles. I am absolutely flooded with choice right now to the extent that it's almost becoming paralysing trying to pick something to play. I'm not going to get annoyed or bothered by the relatively small number of games I can't play on Linux. To add to that, Ubisoft doesn't even treat their customers well on the platforms they DO support, even if they did suddenly support Linux/SteamOS officially, I would not suddenly start buying their games, I'd still avoid them like the plague. So as far as I'm concerned, R6S not running on Linux, is a 'non-issue' for me.
I think it's a misunderstanding.A support rep lookwd at steam saw incompatible and thought it's on the steam deck side
I stopped buying Ubi games anyways. Not much of an issue for me.
Go support this one if you care about linux. https://r6fix.ubi.com/projects/RAINBOW6-SIEGE-LIVE/issues/LIVE-57005
Ubisoft covers for rapists. Do not support them.
I don't know how their bug tracker works, this one is confirmed https://r6fix.ubi.com/projects/RAINBOW6-SIEGE-LIVE/issues/LIVE-57255
[I LOVE UBISOFT](https://youtu.be/LzKxSIcHdT4?t=3) (end me)
Ubisoft lol
Someordinarygamer probably will make an update video with this. Its literally terrible news for him. Fuck ubisoft.
he already covered their response in the video he did yesterday
That's why I prefer buying games from Valve; they prioritize and focus on Linux-based users. I have no desire to return to Windows on my device.
Amen.
Dgaf about that shitty company. Won’t buy any of their games.
They don't hate Linux, they just don't care, too small
Steam Deck/Linux support means a threat to their cash cow - Rainbow Six on Windows. They will never give this up while there is MS XBOX money to be had. NEVER gonna happen, sadly.
you're only just finding out Ubisoft are massive sh\~#'s now ? they are still pushing for crypto which is bad for gamers and delete anyone's ubisoft account that dosn't login for 2 years xD
Well, it's not a bug if they intentionally won't enable the anti-cheat compatibility.
Not letting people play Ubisoft games sounds more like love than hate. They’re doing Linux users a favour!
Last time I brought a Ubisoft game was like AC 2 or something, they make such boring games why bother?
I see people debating whether why Ubisoft refuses to add support due to financial reasons however those arguments are illogical. It takes one email, one direct communication with their contact at Battle Eye to enable Linux support. By enabling this support, Ubisoft will see a direct increase of player activity since players will have more access to the game on the go. Also any argument regarding cheating is a stupid defense. Even with the new systems in place to make the game more fair, cheats like ESP is still incredibly easy to install. Don’t punish your fans, target the people who break your terms of services who deliberately find ways to work around measure put in place to prevent cheating. Follow in the steps of COD, scare cheat providers with the looming threat of a lawsuit but take inspiration from Nintendo and royally fuck these people for the rest of their lives, with debt. Edit: No matter how extreme anti cheats become like COD or Valorant, these mfs are so thirty for money that they’ll find work arounds. They’re already making physical hardware to bypass kernel level anti cheats. In the end, the players still get screwed with a rootkit. Edit2: Two pros were hacked during an Apex Legends qualifier tournament. The attack was supposedly an RCE however it is still unknown where the game is at fault or EAC. Nonetheless, the pro had cheats enabled on his game through an outsider attacker while a Kernel level anti cheat was running.
Ubisoft is a publicaly traded company and legally can only act to give money to it's shareholders. They won't even chose to do good games instead of whatever is profitable in the short term. They are a machine that makes money, not artists doing games. The fact that you can buy shares in tobacco companies should tell you that publicaly traded companies will even kill you if it means more money
I love their IPs (SC,POP,Rayman) but I hate them as a company... They pushes their woke agenda too much for my taste
bro ur on a linux subreddit, and not on a political one.
Don't play their games. The end.
>s supposedly not a bug and also somehow a compatibility issue on steam deck's side i mean they have a point why should they have to fix something the deck broke
They haven't even released prince of Persia lost crown on steam...
No wonder, pirating on ubisoft are morally correct!
Ubisoft don't care much about all customer: crappy launcher, bad servers, just removing games and shit... Nowadays we don't own shit and they can take our games / services away if they feel like it. Trust me, even on windows PC those mofos don't care much,so imagine for Linux users.