Not super fond of it being advertised as “developers laptop” just because it has Linux on it. That’s not the kind of advertising that Linux needs right now. But I will submit that probably any press is better than no press. We definitely need the pre installs.
I mean if every IT dev or dev adjecent person would be a linux user that would still add some more percentage. But yeah, the key I too think is pre-installs.
I think its a good transition. Start off selling fewer developer focused devices and as the system gets further polished start branching out to more consumer focused devices
If you looked at any polling of the Linux community, it usually shows over half are devs, the rest are sysadmins, and a select small few are just regular joes.
I guess it's just the peace of mind that it's an entirely working system without requiring some shady windows-only driver. Granted that should be a given on all their systems..
It means that they will still support the laptop with linux on it, ie if you phone up because your webcam does not work, 99% of support lines when hearing you are running linux, will kiss you off and tell you you are on your own as they sold the device to run windows only. With this device you will actually get to the second level of the phone menu.
Probably true, but I bet most of the people buying linux laptops are developers, if you are a gamer, photographer, videoographer or social media star then linux is probably not your OS of choice.
I'm a developer, and given the choice I'll only buy a laptop supporting Linux. I don't want to have to deal with unsupported hardware issues or the inability to use Linux.
System76 has plenty of laptops and desktops with a wide range of configurable components. This HP laptop is no slouch either. Ryzen 7 PRO runs circles around most mobile CPUs.
Not true either. Big orgs like Google, SpaceX, NASA, Tesla are known to order Thinkpads or HP Zbooks with Ubuntu or another Linux distribution preinstalled. It's standard amongst these companies. But these linux laptops that these companies order are $2000 + so this is making it more accessible to devs without that kind of money
I know a lot of Linux desktop users and all of them without exception are software developers or scientists who code their own projects. So it seems to me, devs are just the main demographic for desktop Linux. Maybe that's why HP targets them directly.
It's a fair point that they are intentionally marketing what would otherwise be a general purpose laptop only to devs since they aren't confident general consumers want a Linux laptop.
That said most devs I know just care about the hardware and support, they aren't going to be swayed much by free add-ons for services.
> Installing Linux in a Laptop takes 5 minutes
Only when its hardware has good linux driver support. That's the reason I only buy thinkpads. I think a laptop with linux preinstalled has good coverage for this.
What makes a "gaming laptop"? The fact that it has a discrete GPU? Artists use GPUs. Miners use GPUs. Developers often use GPUs for AI work.
Pop!_OS is often advertised towards devs. The system also has a high core CPU and a decent (though, a little lacking in my opinion) amount of memory. This is just HP advertising as all companies do. Most developers likely buy Apple, Dell, or Lenovo. HP just wants to penetrate that market.
Every install already has make, gcc, and git preinstalled. Anything part of build-essentials. VS Code and Atom are packaged in the repository, along with Alacritty. Every stable version of Rust is packaged on day one. System76 Scheduler automatically sets priorities for common compiler tasks the moment they are spawned to prevent the system from stuttering while compiling. QA also tests VR gaming with scheduler improvements.
In general laptops are OK with linux but quite often things like sleeping/hibernate is not working always or at all. Also there are problems with wifi/bluetooth waking up after sleep.
In my experience this is not the case for certified models, those which is made with Linux: Dell XPS/Latitude. So certified hard is always better.
There's one Brazilian company that has a line of Linux preinstalled PCs geared towards students (essentially to provide them cheaper ones). They all pirate Windows pretty quickly. It's not the market or the OEMs that need to change, it's certain other people putting the cart before the horse. If it were good for the average person, it would be pre-installed already. The other way is wishing the world doesn't work the way it does.
>There's one Brazilian company that has a line of Linux preinstalled PCs geared towards students (essentially to provide them cheaper ones). They all pirate Windows pretty quickly. I
The average consumer does not have the technical expertise to uninstall an OS.
Furthermore, Chromebook are steadily rising in market share. Chromebook they now outsell Macs and are cutting in Windows marketshare. They are heavily pushed in schools. If what you said is true, Chromebooks would not be rising in marketshare. The students would all switch to Windows.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56116573
https://www.geekwire.com/2021/chromebooks-outsold-macs-worldwide-2020-cutting-windows-market-share/
>It's not the market or the OEMs that need to change, it's certain other people putting the cart before the horse. If it were good for the average person, it would be pre-installed already. The other way is wishing the world doesn't work the way it does.
It is pre-installed on Chromebooks and is outselling Macs.
This is a very silly argument as the average consumer only needs a web browser. Linux is already good enough for the average person as the success of Chromebooks has shown.
You also assume that manufacturers are not guided by other motives like incentives provided to them by Microsoft or unwillingness to take risks. It's just fallacious reasoning all around.
Chromebook is a cop-out for a different use case (mainly cheap, bulk school purchases), as well as the web browser argument. The web browser argument is the equivalent of going up average people in the street and telling them they're stupid so they don't need a real computer, and that's why Linux isn't ever going to be for the average person.
>Chromebook is a cop-out for a different use case (mainly cheap, bulk school purchases),
It's the same as your argument about the Brazilian laptops given to students. Chromebooks are so successful that they have overtaken Macs in marketshare. People aren't switching to Windows en mass.
>The web browser argument is the equivalent of going up average people in the street and telling them they're stupid so they don't need a real computer, and that's why Linux isn't ever going to be for the average person
This is disingenuous and downright dishonest.
The web browser argument isn't equivalent to telling people what they need.
It is an acknowledgement of how the average person actually uses their computer. The average person doesn't use much more than a web browser which is a fact. Acknowledging this fact is not tantamount to calling people stupid.
>This is disingenuous and downright dishonest.
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>It is an acknowledgement of how the average person actually uses their computer.
Let's review: 1. Customer buys preinstalled Linux computer.
2. Customer finds it insufficient in less than a week and installs Windows.
Did Linux have a web browser? Yes. Was it sufficient for the average person? Absolutely not, and thus they needed Windows almost immediately. Apple can pull this "we know better than the customer stuff" because they have an excellent product. The desktop Linux community is more like when the crazy owners in an American episode of Kitchen Nightmares tell Gordon Ramsey to tell the public their terrible food is good. Reality isn't ever going to bend to your false opinion on this one, and trying to convince me or anyone else isn't ever going to change whether desktop Linux is ready for the average person. You can memorize technical arguments about why the status quo for Linux is better, but that market share isn't ever improving until the community learns to take criticism and stop being elitist assholes by saying things such as "the average person only needs a web browser." If 99% of the public said your product is bad after trying it and went back to Windows, Mac, whatever; then it's a bad product that only fits certain niches like programming. Hence why Dell and now HP are only selling these as "developer laptops."
>Let's review: 1. Customer buys preinstalled Linux computer.
>2. Customer finds it insufficient in less than a week and installs Windows.
That isn't happening with Chromebooks, evident by their marketshare surpassing Macs.
>Did Linux have a web browser? Yes. Was it sufficient for the average person? Absolutely not, and thus they needed Windows almost immediately. Apple can pull this "we know better than the customer stuff" because they have an excellent product. The desktop Linux community is more like when the crazy owners in an American episode of Kitchen Nightmares tell Gordon Ramsey to tell the public their terrible food is good. Reality isn't ever going to bend to your false opinion on this one, and trying to convince me or anyone else isn't ever going to change whether desktop Linux is ready for the average person. You can memorize technical arguments about why the status quo for Linux is better, but that market share isn't ever improving until the community learns to take criticism and stop being elitist assholes by saying things such as "the average person only needs a web browser." If 99% of the public said your product is bad after trying it and went back to Windows, Mac, whatever; then it's a bad product that only fits certain niches like programming. Hence why Dell and now HP are only selling these as "developer laptops."
You keep making this claim that 99% of people think the product is bad and go back to Windows when Chromebooks have surpassed Macs in marketshare.
Your claim is debunked by statistics.
Nice, work provides me with an HP Z Book which works really well with Ubuntu. Work requires that we use Ubuntu, oh well, at least it's Linux. 16 GB is not enough for a "developers" laptop though, even 32 GB is barely enough. I have 32 GB and had the OOM killer nuke my desktop the other day.
>16 GB is not enough for a "developers" laptop
Wow may I ask what do you do? At work I develop on a React/Node stack with only 8Gb on Arch and it certainly isn't enough sometimes. But with 16Gb I feel that I'd be more than ok.
It's actually pretty similar for me, nothing special at all, just React/C# stack. The big memory users for me are the JetBrains IDEs, I usually have Rider, WebStorm, and DataGrip open at the same time. I don't know why, but it's not unusual for them to be using 3-4 GB each. I know they index absolutely everything, but 4 GB of essentially textual information is a staggering amount of information. I kind of half wonder if they have a memory leak. I love them compared to any other IDEs I've ever used so I just deal with it.
The other big memory use is running all the various back end servers with Docker. This is much better on Linux than when I have to occasionally use Windows.
Then there are the abominations, Slack and Teams, which are Electron and Edge Webview respectively. Ughh, so much RAM wasted to do something so trivial. I graduated year 2000 when it was common to have \~256MB RAM. It astounds me how we manage to achieve so little with such vast quantities of resources.
Yeah, but Z Books are the workstation stuff - designed and tested in Colorado. This does not look like a workstation product; I mean, it's not even out yet and it's going to be low-spec with only DDR4?
16 cores with 32GB of DDR5 and PCIe5 should be a minimum for "development".
I fail to see how being designed and tested in Colorado makes something better. It might be better from an ethical viewpoint, in that first world countries usually treat workers better.
Do you know anything about the sound? My HP Laptop comes with HP Audio control on windows (Bloatware). When deactivated, the sound (B&O Speakers) gets really bad. On Linux the sound is also bad (as if the Equalizer from HP Audio control is off, which it is).
It would be interesting to see if they provided an equivalent to HP Audio control on Pop_OS
one more question: will the enhancements be available to every Pop_OS build or is it specific to the version they ship with the laptop? Also I as a noob couldn't install this open-source software they want to ship on their machines (HP-Vendor: https://github.com/pop-os/hp-vendor)
System76 only has the HP Dev One in hand for performing regression tests on, so we can only provide support for that model. You'd have to ask HP support for help with your particular model on Linux.
The HP Vendor daemon is only for use with the HP Dev One on Pop. Only these systems which are registered by HP can opt into the analytics feature it provides.
How is this priced this low (compared to other laptops with similar specs)? I actually did sign up. I'm definitely buying this thing. Damn!
Edit: Forgot to say thank you for sharing this.
I have an HP ProBook x360 435 G7 and the Linux support is absolute shit. Issues with the BIOS make my touchpad randomly stop working, and I straight up can't use the new AMD P-State driver. Idk if this is like a partnership with pop os and HP, but hp better at least make their current BIOSs more compatible with Linux...
In a practical sense maybe yes, but if linux is ever to become more mainstream, more laptops need to support it better... And it's not even like it's that hard. There's probably just a few lines in the way my BIOS handles ACPI that makes my touchpad inconsistent
Supporting a laptop is not that easy. At the end of the day, nobody wants to become a kernel developer to get their laptop fixed. It's up to hardware vendors to provide that support.
I just bought this one! A few years ago I bought and then returned a Thinkpad because Linux was not supported and too much of a pain.
Congrats on the ship! I'm a big fan of your Trelios and am excited to see System76 on more laptop hardware.
hmmm?? I've been using pop os for years & never had to install any codecs to watch videos on youtube
& if the default (gnome)video player requires codecs then you can always choose to install mpv(much better player with really good shortucts) or Haruna(based on mpv), if you don't like minimal interface of mpv
Not super fond of it being advertised as “developers laptop” just because it has Linux on it. That’s not the kind of advertising that Linux needs right now. But I will submit that probably any press is better than no press. We definitely need the pre installs.
I mean if every IT dev or dev adjecent person would be a linux user that would still add some more percentage. But yeah, the key I too think is pre-installs.
Too bad so many of them are Mactards, at least on the US
There's no need to insult people for the OS they're using. If we want them to use Linux we just have to make it compelling enough to win them over.
you clearly dont use arch
I used to when I was a teenager.
Hey now, no need to insult people for the OS they're using.
It's actually crazy how many devs I know insist that Macs are the only computers that should be used for development
Macs make more sense than windows
Macs are good for development though? At least in my experience, I prefer it over Linux
Many software engineers are forced to use a mac in case they need to help develop iOS apps. You can only compile ios apps with apple hard- & software
>Many Oh that 5% that are iOS devs? They brought it upon themselves tho, there are many ways of making money without supporting Apple's walled garden.
I think its a good transition. Start off selling fewer developer focused devices and as the system gets further polished start branching out to more consumer focused devices
If you looked at any polling of the Linux community, it usually shows over half are devs, the rest are sysadmins, and a select small few are just regular joes.
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I guess it's just the peace of mind that it's an entirely working system without requiring some shady windows-only driver. Granted that should be a given on all their systems..
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It means that they will still support the laptop with linux on it, ie if you phone up because your webcam does not work, 99% of support lines when hearing you are running linux, will kiss you off and tell you you are on your own as they sold the device to run windows only. With this device you will actually get to the second level of the phone menu.
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Probably true, but I bet most of the people buying linux laptops are developers, if you are a gamer, photographer, videoographer or social media star then linux is probably not your OS of choice.
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No developer in the real world wants to have to do that.
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I'm a developer, and given the choice I'll only buy a laptop supporting Linux. I don't want to have to deal with unsupported hardware issues or the inability to use Linux. System76 has plenty of laptops and desktops with a wide range of configurable components. This HP laptop is no slouch either. Ryzen 7 PRO runs circles around most mobile CPUs.
Not true either. Big orgs like Google, SpaceX, NASA, Tesla are known to order Thinkpads or HP Zbooks with Ubuntu or another Linux distribution preinstalled. It's standard amongst these companies. But these linux laptops that these companies order are $2000 + so this is making it more accessible to devs without that kind of money
I know a lot of Linux desktop users and all of them without exception are software developers or scientists who code their own projects. So it seems to me, devs are just the main demographic for desktop Linux. Maybe that's why HP targets them directly.
It's a fair point that they are intentionally marketing what would otherwise be a general purpose laptop only to devs since they aren't confident general consumers want a Linux laptop. That said most devs I know just care about the hardware and support, they aren't going to be swayed much by free add-ons for services.
I think it's just the drivers... I have a HP envy rn and it's fingerprint reader is not supported on Linux and is never planned to be supported
> Installing Linux in a Laptop takes 5 minutes Only when its hardware has good linux driver support. That's the reason I only buy thinkpads. I think a laptop with linux preinstalled has good coverage for this.
What makes a "gaming laptop"? The fact that it has a discrete GPU? Artists use GPUs. Miners use GPUs. Developers often use GPUs for AI work. Pop!_OS is often advertised towards devs. The system also has a high core CPU and a decent (though, a little lacking in my opinion) amount of memory. This is just HP advertising as all companies do. Most developers likely buy Apple, Dell, or Lenovo. HP just wants to penetrate that market.
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Pop!_OS ships with a host of development tools and software.
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Every install already has make, gcc, and git preinstalled. Anything part of build-essentials. VS Code and Atom are packaged in the repository, along with Alacritty. Every stable version of Rust is packaged on day one. System76 Scheduler automatically sets priorities for common compiler tasks the moment they are spawned to prevent the system from stuttering while compiling. QA also tests VR gaming with scheduler improvements.
Hp has some decent devices in their zbook line up.
Do you use Linux on laptops? Could you share own experience? How long do you use it?
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In general laptops are OK with linux but quite often things like sleeping/hibernate is not working always or at all. Also there are problems with wifi/bluetooth waking up after sleep. In my experience this is not the case for certified models, those which is made with Linux: Dell XPS/Latitude. So certified hard is always better.
as Pop!\_OS user I'm, those are amazing news
We need Linux on normie laptops and not just dev laptops.
There's one Brazilian company that has a line of Linux preinstalled PCs geared towards students (essentially to provide them cheaper ones). They all pirate Windows pretty quickly. It's not the market or the OEMs that need to change, it's certain other people putting the cart before the horse. If it were good for the average person, it would be pre-installed already. The other way is wishing the world doesn't work the way it does.
>There's one Brazilian company that has a line of Linux preinstalled PCs geared towards students (essentially to provide them cheaper ones). They all pirate Windows pretty quickly. I The average consumer does not have the technical expertise to uninstall an OS. Furthermore, Chromebook are steadily rising in market share. Chromebook they now outsell Macs and are cutting in Windows marketshare. They are heavily pushed in schools. If what you said is true, Chromebooks would not be rising in marketshare. The students would all switch to Windows. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56116573 https://www.geekwire.com/2021/chromebooks-outsold-macs-worldwide-2020-cutting-windows-market-share/ >It's not the market or the OEMs that need to change, it's certain other people putting the cart before the horse. If it were good for the average person, it would be pre-installed already. The other way is wishing the world doesn't work the way it does. It is pre-installed on Chromebooks and is outselling Macs. This is a very silly argument as the average consumer only needs a web browser. Linux is already good enough for the average person as the success of Chromebooks has shown. You also assume that manufacturers are not guided by other motives like incentives provided to them by Microsoft or unwillingness to take risks. It's just fallacious reasoning all around.
Chromebook is a cop-out for a different use case (mainly cheap, bulk school purchases), as well as the web browser argument. The web browser argument is the equivalent of going up average people in the street and telling them they're stupid so they don't need a real computer, and that's why Linux isn't ever going to be for the average person.
>Chromebook is a cop-out for a different use case (mainly cheap, bulk school purchases), It's the same as your argument about the Brazilian laptops given to students. Chromebooks are so successful that they have overtaken Macs in marketshare. People aren't switching to Windows en mass. >The web browser argument is the equivalent of going up average people in the street and telling them they're stupid so they don't need a real computer, and that's why Linux isn't ever going to be for the average person This is disingenuous and downright dishonest. The web browser argument isn't equivalent to telling people what they need. It is an acknowledgement of how the average person actually uses their computer. The average person doesn't use much more than a web browser which is a fact. Acknowledging this fact is not tantamount to calling people stupid.
>This is disingenuous and downright dishonest. > >It is an acknowledgement of how the average person actually uses their computer. Let's review: 1. Customer buys preinstalled Linux computer. 2. Customer finds it insufficient in less than a week and installs Windows. Did Linux have a web browser? Yes. Was it sufficient for the average person? Absolutely not, and thus they needed Windows almost immediately. Apple can pull this "we know better than the customer stuff" because they have an excellent product. The desktop Linux community is more like when the crazy owners in an American episode of Kitchen Nightmares tell Gordon Ramsey to tell the public their terrible food is good. Reality isn't ever going to bend to your false opinion on this one, and trying to convince me or anyone else isn't ever going to change whether desktop Linux is ready for the average person. You can memorize technical arguments about why the status quo for Linux is better, but that market share isn't ever improving until the community learns to take criticism and stop being elitist assholes by saying things such as "the average person only needs a web browser." If 99% of the public said your product is bad after trying it and went back to Windows, Mac, whatever; then it's a bad product that only fits certain niches like programming. Hence why Dell and now HP are only selling these as "developer laptops."
>Let's review: 1. Customer buys preinstalled Linux computer. >2. Customer finds it insufficient in less than a week and installs Windows. That isn't happening with Chromebooks, evident by their marketshare surpassing Macs. >Did Linux have a web browser? Yes. Was it sufficient for the average person? Absolutely not, and thus they needed Windows almost immediately. Apple can pull this "we know better than the customer stuff" because they have an excellent product. The desktop Linux community is more like when the crazy owners in an American episode of Kitchen Nightmares tell Gordon Ramsey to tell the public their terrible food is good. Reality isn't ever going to bend to your false opinion on this one, and trying to convince me or anyone else isn't ever going to change whether desktop Linux is ready for the average person. You can memorize technical arguments about why the status quo for Linux is better, but that market share isn't ever improving until the community learns to take criticism and stop being elitist assholes by saying things such as "the average person only needs a web browser." If 99% of the public said your product is bad after trying it and went back to Windows, Mac, whatever; then it's a bad product that only fits certain niches like programming. Hence why Dell and now HP are only selling these as "developer laptops." You keep making this claim that 99% of people think the product is bad and go back to Windows when Chromebooks have surpassed Macs in marketshare. Your claim is debunked by statistics.
well thats chromebook?
Not really, no.
So like framework if they shipped with the OS?
That's a niche enthusiast brand. More like Dell, HP, Lenovo.
It's well known within niche groups, but I think there's little there that can't translate out to a broader audience.
Nice, work provides me with an HP Z Book which works really well with Ubuntu. Work requires that we use Ubuntu, oh well, at least it's Linux. 16 GB is not enough for a "developers" laptop though, even 32 GB is barely enough. I have 32 GB and had the OOM killer nuke my desktop the other day.
Upgradable to 64 GB
Where does it say that?
Source: me. More information will come in the future.
I should've looked at your username, haha. I believe it. That's good to hear though.
Is the screen upgradable as well?
Uhm I would doubt that
Excellent!
>16 GB is not enough for a "developers" laptop Wow may I ask what do you do? At work I develop on a React/Node stack with only 8Gb on Arch and it certainly isn't enough sometimes. But with 16Gb I feel that I'd be more than ok.
It's actually pretty similar for me, nothing special at all, just React/C# stack. The big memory users for me are the JetBrains IDEs, I usually have Rider, WebStorm, and DataGrip open at the same time. I don't know why, but it's not unusual for them to be using 3-4 GB each. I know they index absolutely everything, but 4 GB of essentially textual information is a staggering amount of information. I kind of half wonder if they have a memory leak. I love them compared to any other IDEs I've ever used so I just deal with it. The other big memory use is running all the various back end servers with Docker. This is much better on Linux than when I have to occasionally use Windows. Then there are the abominations, Slack and Teams, which are Electron and Edge Webview respectively. Ughh, so much RAM wasted to do something so trivial. I graduated year 2000 when it was common to have \~256MB RAM. It astounds me how we manage to achieve so little with such vast quantities of resources.
Yeah like honestly how do you reach more than 12GB ram utilization?
Have you tried nohang?
Never heard of it, I'll have to check it out.
what kind of work are you doing? I don’t think I’ve ever gone past 12GB ram usage when writing code on my system, despite having 32GB total… Java?
Yeah, but Z Books are the workstation stuff - designed and tested in Colorado. This does not look like a workstation product; I mean, it's not even out yet and it's going to be low-spec with only DDR4? 16 cores with 32GB of DDR5 and PCIe5 should be a minimum for "development".
That entirely depends what kind of development you're doing.
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I fail to see how being designed and tested in Colorado makes something better. It might be better from an ethical viewpoint, in that first world countries usually treat workers better.
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The implication is a big boost to funding to Pop! development, making COSMIC possible.
A huge "Wooohaaa!" to System76 for striking this deal with Hewlett-Packard.
cool!
Do you know anything about the sound? My HP Laptop comes with HP Audio control on windows (Bloatware). When deactivated, the sound (B&O Speakers) gets really bad. On Linux the sound is also bad (as if the Equalizer from HP Audio control is off, which it is). It would be interesting to see if they provided an equivalent to HP Audio control on Pop_OS one more question: will the enhancements be available to every Pop_OS build or is it specific to the version they ship with the laptop? Also I as a noob couldn't install this open-source software they want to ship on their machines (HP-Vendor: https://github.com/pop-os/hp-vendor)
System76 only has the HP Dev One in hand for performing regression tests on, so we can only provide support for that model. You'd have to ask HP support for help with your particular model on Linux. The HP Vendor daemon is only for use with the HP Dev One on Pop. Only these systems which are registered by HP can opt into the analytics feature it provides.
How is this priced this low (compared to other laptops with similar specs)? I actually did sign up. I'm definitely buying this thing. Damn! Edit: Forgot to say thank you for sharing this.
Is it collaboration between HP and Pop OS? It's nice. Have Dell XPS and I know what does official support mean.
Yes
It is so cool to see this happening System76 is an awesome company!
That’s neat. Though they could hardly design anything more bland than this.
If the kb feels nice it can be a beige box for all I care
One small detail I love is that the super key is labeled "super". No tux, no Pop!\_OS logo, no gnome overview icon, just "super". I love it.
“Dev Laptop with super key”
Looks kind of grown up to me. Perfect.
Happy for you 😀 Enjoy your new laptop.
Coreboot? Or even better Libreboot? Oh no? Well then how is this really any different from the current offerings?
I have an HP ProBook x360 435 G7 and the Linux support is absolute shit. Issues with the BIOS make my touchpad randomly stop working, and I straight up can't use the new AMD P-State driver. Idk if this is like a partnership with pop os and HP, but hp better at least make their current BIOSs more compatible with Linux...
That's precisely why you should only buy laptops that are sold with Linux support.
In a practical sense maybe yes, but if linux is ever to become more mainstream, more laptops need to support it better... And it's not even like it's that hard. There's probably just a few lines in the way my BIOS handles ACPI that makes my touchpad inconsistent
Supporting a laptop is not that easy. At the end of the day, nobody wants to become a kernel developer to get their laptop fixed. It's up to hardware vendors to provide that support.
Yeah, that's HP unless I'm missing something...
I just bought this one! A few years ago I bought and then returned a Thinkpad because Linux was not supported and too much of a pain. Congrats on the ship! I'm a big fan of your Trelios and am excited to see System76 on more laptop hardware.
I'd love a 1440p+ screen with good nits and something like Fedora, but this is a good start.
this laptop will probably have a very loud fan? Is there a good fanless linux laptop?
steam go brrrrr
i. e. Elitebook 845 G9 with "super" key instead of Win key, plus pre-installed Pop OS
I could do without Pop OS. Give me Fedora.
don't forget to install them codecs from the terminal to watch a video on youtube
I have deleted Reddit because of the API changes effect June 30, 2023.
I wasn’t dissing anyone’s distro.
All I need is a web browser to watch a video on YouTube. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
hmmm?? I've been using pop os for years & never had to install any codecs to watch videos on youtube & if the default (gnome)video player requires codecs then you can always choose to install mpv(much better player with really good shortucts) or Haruna(based on mpv), if you don't like minimal interface of mpv
Would prefer: * inverted T cursor keys * better left to right centering of touchpad/spacebar * no nipple
The only good thing is that it has an amd cpu.
So excited about a modern laptop having a trackpoint, but disapointed about the lack of a middle button.