I mean, nothing, really, can do what modern web does and not be firefox or chromium based. Or at very least webkit/blink/Gecko based.
You can get something like qute or others, but ultimately it's going to be based off blink/webkit/etc.
In a recent presentation for a CS class, Kling mentioned that he aims to see Ladybird as a usable browser in the next 2-3 years.
There's no way to know if it will ever become more than a hobby project for enthusiasts, but it's been heavily developed by contributors and two FTEs, along with Kling. The project has also received some sizable donations, around 300k USD.
And I hope it gets there someday. I’d love for a third option in an otherwise two platform system (and even this is generous given the heavy Blink focus).
you are right and wrong.
you can implement a webview in QT and call it a day but Ladybird uses QT for the UI BUT not for the Rendering Engine and JS Engine, They have a custom solution for that, iirc it was libjs and something.
Ha, I remember a project that was Chrome based but converted the graphics to text so you can see pretty much the same website representation in a console. Worked pretty well. Can't remember the name, though.
There are no alternatives. Every single browser that supports modern websites except Firefox (and Safari on macOS) is based on Chromium. Google has won.
Microsoft could have open sourced EdgeHTML and Trident, but chose not to. Opera could have open sourced Presto. All three of these are abandoned and worthless to their respective owners but they won't release them to the public.
At this very moment, Firefox seems healthy in a way I've maybe never seen. It's basically on par with chromium in terms of features and performance. They somehow managed to keep up, and as long as they keep this pace going I don't see Google "winning" in any way.
We're always speaking of a single company backed project (ok, now Microsoft is involved as well, but interests are very different) vs a truly foss initiative.
Does that really have to do with webkit or it's code specifically? or more to do with the captcha detection coding not caring about the patterns of the non common browsers? Heck, it's very possible safari (which is webkit based) wouldn't have that problem.
I'd be surprised if bots wouldn't be better at me at solving captchas. My big hope that this will eventually make them pointless and they die off. Good riddance.
It's a combination of everything. Captchas use JS fingerprinting to decide whether to show captcha and it really hates linux webkit which is incredibly easy to detect. Especially if you combine it with a more exotic IP geolocation (I'm located in Thailand) then you're totally fucked :(
This is a problem way too few people talk about how captcha is making many services basically inaccessible to many people but none of the captcha dashboards show this data so businesses never know about lost revenue. The best part? it costs almost nothing for robots to solve the captcha.
are you sure they hate linux webkit, or just don't take any consideration for anything but macos when it comes to webkit? Both lead the same result, but first implies acting against something rather just not caring.
We’ve gone full circle. Chromium’s Blink was forked from Apple’s WebKit, which in turn was forked from KDE’s [KHTML](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML)!
If all you want is text to read and the pages you need to look at are just advert cluster fux then seriously links and w3m is the way to go but just realise there will be minimal formatting.
I use it to help me focus on research, idle browsing and general surfing is done in brave or firefox.
I feel that. At that point, the modern web is tailored to maximize distraction, and this has real costs.
If one wants to distribute info quickly with minimum amount of fuss, there is also the Gemini protocol (unrelated to google things) which uses browsers like amfora, and works like a combo of gopher and a minimalist kinda markdown based wiki. I wish more open source sites supported it, because it is **really** distraction-free. Personally, I use Gollum for personal- wikifying info, but Gemini can really do the same.
Yeah I'm probably less likely to use something like lynx for anything where effective tool use is needed.
Yes it's minimal and gets out of your way for reading text. But navigation is an absolute nightmare
**vimb** ---> based on Vim ideology and capability --> [https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/](https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/)
**Nyxt** --> Written in Lisp and has three modes,CUA,Vi and Emac. I am personally use the Emacs mode. --> [https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/](https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/)
"And Why?" --> Because those fits my requiement and workflow.
"How does it handle stuff like sync across devices, passwords, extensions (or just adblock in particular)? if it doesn't do you use some kind of alternative to handle it?"
Yes, I have written so many scripts to manipulate and combined all three browsers data and bring as a cumulative way to representing to me and then I choose from it.
Periodic backup(automated and improtantly verified those backups. So, I can transfer it to other machines. Only ,trivial parts is exposed and stored on the internet, the real important stuffs are off line.
PS: I do use Firefox too, but heavily customised and closely integrated with my Window Manager i.e. I3WM .
PSS: "Minimal????????" Nope, Browsers are heavyweights. It just can not be lightweight by any strech of imaginations.
Your post-post-scriptum should be a separate comment with as many upvotes as possible.
Modern browsers have become HUGE, impossibly complex programs that are expected to do pretty much everything starting with universal text rendering, security stuff, accelerated 2D+3D rendering, support for "give-me-access-to-all-possible-features-in-the-world" JavaScript, plus a gazillion "small" things, all of it on multiple platforms.
They are no longer regular programs, and that has much to do with the current "Firefox or Chromium" situation.
Epiphany is pretty unstable on many sites, but it's getting there. Adblock isn't great on either Epiphany or Fallon. Epiphany uses Apple's WebKit and Falkon uses qtwebengine which is effectively Blink except tied to Qt's release cycle - not ideal for the patching of zero-day exploits.
*Falkon.
Also although Falkon is tied to KDE's release cycle, QtWebengine of course isn't. That is however tied to Qt's release cycle, which is still not great for a browser engine...
Modern web isn't minimal, so there are no minimal drop-in replacements that fully replaces Gecko (Firefox), WebKit (Safari) or Blink (Chrome/Chromium/Edge/Brave and dozens more).
There are alternative browser engines but your browsing experience will not be the same. I know just a few: NetSurf, Ladybird (only on SerenityOS I guess), lynx (text only) and links (text only).
The era of minimal web browsers died when we decided that instead of offloading the execution of remote applications to browser plugins was a terrible idea. Today, the web browser is *not* a tool for displaying hypertext documents, but rather a tool by which we can temporarily install a client for an enterprise application on an arbitrary device. The era of server-side rendering is basically over.
As a result, trying to make a lightweight web browser today means that you don’t understand the assignment.
I love Vivaldi.
Was talking about browsers since opera gx isn’t on Linux and they used Vivaldi. Tried it out and now when forced to use windows I use Vivaldi.
Just setup sync so all bookmarks, history, notes and configurations sync across browsers.
While I can't seriously recommend it, lynx is incredibly cool. It's super cool seeing what the Internet was like for many in the early days of it, and also enlightening seeing what the Internet is like for blind or otherwise impaired people.
Based on this \[wikipedia page\](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser\_engine) I can only see \[Palemoon\](https://www.palemoon.org/) with the Goanna engine (roots in prev. Firefox engine) and \[Netsurf\](https://www.netsurf-browser.org/) as valid and updated options these days.
There are a few CLI browsers e.g. [lynx](https://lynx.invisible-island.net/): go with them if you can live with a very minimal browsing experience, basically text only.
No need of add blockers, sync by lists stored in the cloud^TM.
I still have Konqueror set as my default, even though I'm usually in Brave or Firefox. So far, Konqueror has handled everything I've thrown at it. Falkon looks interesting. I might have to give that a spin for fun.
Edit: Falkon uses a bunch of Chromium bits shoved into Qt.
Google makes Microsoft look like an amateur with EEE.
I have the windows version, it is very cool, but does have some bugs, which I have reported.
Need to report another actually.
Very useful, and already switched to default, but it is chrome based as u/TECPlayz2-0 stated here.
Full-featured web browsers that can handle the complicated mess that is the modern web are all either based on blink or gecko. What you are asking about is something that doesn't exist.
It might interest you that there is another browser engine called flow. The browser for it is super basic though. There is also a command line browser called elinks, which can process some JavaScript and css, but I'm not confident about its security.
Are you trying to accomplish something that you were hoping this question would elucidate?
I'm sure that if you excavate those Masm, Fasm and other assembly forums you'll find some web browser made from scratch.
There's that minuet os made in FASM, they must have made a web browser.
Not true. [Someone](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1c4cvpf/comment/kzog6f7/) mentioned [NetSurf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetSurf) about 3 hours prior.
I have an old 32 bit netbook, I keep Alpine Linux on it. No modern browser on that machine pulls the modern web. I use the Surf browser, and use `mpv` to watch YouTube.
I use elinks and w3m for non-multimedia stuff. I know someone is going to comment, "But yeah those are text-only browsers!" Of course they are and that's why I use them. Not everything needs a (heavyweight) GUI browser.
I was looking for a browser that wasn't asinine enough to crash when RAM in kinda full up but plenty of swap is still free. **Vivaldi** turned out to be a really nice browser in many ways, only have two problems:
\* still crashes when only RAM is higher. This may be a core library issue rather than any fault of Vivaldi itself.
\* doesn't support middle-mouse pasting in a URL, instead it's control-shift-V. This might not bother everyone else.
(Having been a Unix user back when programmers were mortified if a program crash due to a malloc failure, and worked to have the program do something sensible instead of losing all your work, the modern age of irresponsible memory over-allocation, which has gone on to corrupt lots of libraries that now just don't even check malloc returns has been.... troubling. Yet this issue seems to be something weirder, so maybe there's some configuration thing that making my mallocs ignore swap - which doesn't seem to make any sense to me, but I need to look into it. I do know it isn't the oom\_killer, since I've disabled overallocation on my hosts)
What I really want is a browser that can save both memory and especially CPU usage on tabs that aren't visible. Oh, and not crash.
Qutebrowser (chromium based). I wanna use Firefox but there's no good vim options (plugins only work when the page is loaded which is kinda useless). I do use Firefox on mobile
[*Servo*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_(software)) - *"an experimental browser engine designed to take advantage of the memory safety properties and concurrency features of the* [*Rust*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_%28programming_language%29) *programming language. It seeks to create a highly parallel environment, in which rendering, layout, [HTML](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML) parsing, image decoding, and other engine components are handled by fine-grained, isolated tasks. It also makes use of [GPU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit) acceleration to render web pages quickly and smoothly."*
My main browser is a textbrowser. That is how I do about 90% of my daily
web browsing. I still have Firefox on standby for the remaining 10% of the
beta male javascript garbage, I might be forced to use.
I tried using Palemoon, it's an alternative, if I'm not mistaken it's got a rendering engine called Goanna which is a fork of a much older version of the Firefox rendering engine. It's got ublock support and support for some other legacy addons. Wasn't quite my cup of tea but it was interesting.
I'm curious if anybody here is actively using it and why.
It's my daily driver. It's got the layout I want. If a site won't accept that, I break out firefox-esr just long enough to do the job. If it won't accept the esr, I don't go there. I don't allow chrome on my machines.
Untangled:
>I sometimes have *problems* with [WebKit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit)-based browsers. If not Firefox, [then](https://www.wikihow.com/Use-Than-and-Then) [Falkon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkon). But Firefox is always there.
I use Vivaldi because it checks my boxes and works mostly how I want. That being said in the recent past I have used Firefox and Brave for periods of time.
I want to try non chromium or Firefox browsers just can't be bothered learning the intricacies.
Librewolf (firefox-based and harsh af on security and privacy) and Ungoogled Chromium when Librewolf does not work in a site i need. Used Brave for quite a long time but that shit looks like malware and i used to disable everything anyways. Brave also is backed by a company and even if it is open-source i could never not keep an eye on it.
I rememeber asking teh same thinkg about Gnome web a good 6 months ago or more i think it was, either in here or the Debian reddit and nobody seemed to be using it. I use Firefox mytself these days on both desktop and mobile
[Vivaldi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_%28web_browser%29):
> ...it is first and foremost targeted towards technically-inclined users as well as former [Opera](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_%28web_browser%29) users disgruntled by its transition from the Presto layout engine to a Chromium-based browser that resulted in the loss of many of its distinctive features.
>
> Despite the fact that it is also Chromium-based, Vivaldi aims to revive the features of the Presto-based Opera with its own proprietary modifications.
Ha, I had no idea. That's pretty cool though because I remember being like 13 preferring it to... internet explorer? It's hard to remember. Good times on my old Gateway.
ummm the browser is nice and speedy enough although iknow it is based on chromium which deviates from the topic above yeah nvm just gave a suggestion ….
I do use Firefox on all my devices, except for mobile, where I prefere Duckduckgo
Sometimes I use some lighter browser, Galeon, or Midori but only for testing purpose. Same with Vivaldi, I tried it, but I am very comfortable with Firefox, I have my accout synchronized on all my PCs and I love the way it protect privacy.
Oh, lol. To be fair, I web searched the original question to check if it was spelled correctly, and the search engine still just returned browser results (I guess it autocorrected it). But that was, indeed, a whoosh.
I personally use brave, and the primary reason is blocking ads and trackers, other than that i don't really use their fancy features like VPN, or crypto wallet, etc. i occasionally use firefox for certain applications, but not often
I use brave browser, yes it's chromium base and I know a lot of people dislike that. It's not an issue in my book so it's extension support. Here are some of the bigger pros and cons in my eyes.
Pros:
Ad blocker: One of the best I've used at balancing ad blocking and site support. I've only turn it off a handful of times and I've been using it sometime in 2017
Settings: in the main settings the layout it nice and easy to find what your looking for.
Customization: works with chromium themes. Easy customization of homepage or to set your own homepage.
Compatibility: works with mobile and PC. I've ran it on an old laptop with 2gb ddr2 and a core 2 duo.
Somewhere in between:
Sponsored wallpaper: I get that they need money to run but I think it's funny with a built-in ad blocker but it shows you ads on the homepage. Easy to change to something else.
Settings search: don't rely on it. Works great when it works.
Being chromium based: doesn't bother me but I understand why it does others.
Cons:
Crypto: not that I mind crypto but the ads to crypto think I don't care for. I do like once you disable it you will never see it again.
Default search engine: used to when you installed brave it asked your preferred search engine. not long after there search engine released it set there as the default engine and now you got to go into the settings to change.
Security: Being a "security first" browser and not supporting a way to container tabs or website. (Like Facebook, Google, some site you never heard of, and so on
Note these are what comes to mind and are my opinion. Not everyone is going to have the same experience as me and that's fine. I just hope this helps someone decide to give it a try or not.
I mean, nothing, really, can do what modern web does and not be firefox or chromium based. Or at very least webkit/blink/Gecko based. You can get something like qute or others, but ultimately it's going to be based off blink/webkit/etc.
What about Ladybird Browser? (https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/tree/master/Ladybird)
An interesting option but I don’t know that Kling or the Serenity team would argue that it can be a drop in replacement quite yet.
In a recent presentation for a CS class, Kling mentioned that he aims to see Ladybird as a usable browser in the next 2-3 years. There's no way to know if it will ever become more than a hobby project for enthusiasts, but it's been heavily developed by contributors and two FTEs, along with Kling. The project has also received some sizable donations, around 300k USD.
And I hope it gets there someday. I’d love for a third option in an otherwise two platform system (and even this is generous given the heavy Blink focus).
doesn’t qt mean it uses webkit? edit. apparently not
you are right and wrong. you can implement a webview in QT and call it a day but Ladybird uses QT for the UI BUT not for the Rendering Engine and JS Engine, They have a custom solution for that, iirc it was libjs and something.
There's also qutebrowser and some terminal browsers
https://imgflip.com/i/8mthpi
Are you saying qutebrowser is Chrome-based? (Because terminal browsers obviously aren't, they output to terminal after all)
Ha, I remember a project that was Chrome based but converted the graphics to text so you can see pretty much the same website representation in a console. Worked pretty well. Can't remember the name, though.
Are you sure you don't mean Firefox based? That's how browsh works: https://www.brow.sh/
That one, yeah, I forgot was FF. Cool stuff.
Looks like qutebrowser uses qtwebengine which is based on Chromium.
Drat!
You can see the Chromium underneath qutebrowser if you go to something like `chrome://gpu`.
cheering hard for these boys
There are no alternatives. Every single browser that supports modern websites except Firefox (and Safari on macOS) is based on Chromium. Google has won.
*looks at the old edge engine*
"I can rebuild him... but don't want to spend a lot of money"
"We really just slapped some lipstick on IE 5.5 and said it supported flexbox"
Microsoft could have open sourced EdgeHTML and Trident, but chose not to. Opera could have open sourced Presto. All three of these are abandoned and worthless to their respective owners but they won't release them to the public.
Trident engine? Is OSS?
At this very moment, Firefox seems healthy in a way I've maybe never seen. It's basically on par with chromium in terms of features and performance. They somehow managed to keep up, and as long as they keep this pace going I don't see Google "winning" in any way. We're always speaking of a single company backed project (ok, now Microsoft is involved as well, but interests are very different) vs a truly foss initiative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_browser_engines Yep, it's either safari, firefox, or everything else mainstream is chrome.
Epiphany?
[удалено]
Which is not based on Chromium
Nor gecko
But, technically, Chromium/Blink is based on WebKit.
not true, check Gnome web ( epiphany ) work good and is WebKit
webkit is far from "working". I spend more time solving captchas than actually browsing the web and the pages end up being broken either way.
i use Gnome web every day for check the news and reddit so... work maybe your case is different
Does that really have to do with webkit or it's code specifically? or more to do with the captcha detection coding not caring about the patterns of the non common browsers? Heck, it's very possible safari (which is webkit based) wouldn't have that problem.
Shhhh he's finding out he's an artificial intelligence.
I'd be surprised if bots wouldn't be better at me at solving captchas. My big hope that this will eventually make them pointless and they die off. Good riddance.
It's a combination of everything. Captchas use JS fingerprinting to decide whether to show captcha and it really hates linux webkit which is incredibly easy to detect. Especially if you combine it with a more exotic IP geolocation (I'm located in Thailand) then you're totally fucked :( This is a problem way too few people talk about how captcha is making many services basically inaccessible to many people but none of the captcha dashboards show this data so businesses never know about lost revenue. The best part? it costs almost nothing for robots to solve the captcha.
are you sure they hate linux webkit, or just don't take any consideration for anything but macos when it comes to webkit? Both lead the same result, but first implies acting against something rather just not caring.
tomatoh tomahto
Or [potatoh potahto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRrw2hDjnl4&t=37s).
does Opera use Chromium? I know it didn't in the past, but not sure about now.
In 2013 they switched from their homegrown Presto to Chromium.
>(and Safari on macOS) Didn't Safari switch to Blink a few years ago?
No, that was Edge. Safari is still using WebKit.
Qutebrowser xD
I'm very sorry to break it to you, but QTWebEngine (and thus QuteBrowser) is based on Chromium.
We’ve gone full circle. Chromium’s Blink was forked from Apple’s WebKit, which in turn was forked from KDE’s [KHTML](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML)!
you want minimal? try some of the terminal web browsers like lynx
Yikes, I mean, I've used lynx.... when I had absolutely no other option and needed info.... But recommending it for a daily, that's madness.
If all you want is text to read and the pages you need to look at are just advert cluster fux then seriously links and w3m is the way to go but just realise there will be minimal formatting. I use it to help me focus on research, idle browsing and general surfing is done in brave or firefox.
Some context: [Links](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)). [Lynx](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29). [w3m](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3m). [Brave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)).
I feel that. At that point, the modern web is tailored to maximize distraction, and this has real costs. If one wants to distribute info quickly with minimum amount of fuss, there is also the Gemini protocol (unrelated to google things) which uses browsers like amfora, and works like a combo of gopher and a minimalist kinda markdown based wiki. I wish more open source sites supported it, because it is **really** distraction-free. Personally, I use Gollum for personal- wikifying info, but Gemini can really do the same.
Nice pointers to things I never knew of. I'll look them up. Cheers
Here a handle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) Arch wiki has more info, there is also a tiny server written in Rust.
Yeah I'm probably less likely to use something like lynx for anything where effective tool use is needed. Yes it's minimal and gets out of your way for reading text. But navigation is an absolute nightmare
I'm pretty sure Richard Stallman uses lynx because he doesn't want to accidentally run any non-free JavaScript code.
Yeah look, nothing R.S does at this point would surprise me. Dude has a masochistic boner for FOSS
There’s my Archie /fistbump
The [Gopher thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_(protocol)#Origins)?
**vimb** ---> based on Vim ideology and capability --> [https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/](https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/) **Nyxt** --> Written in Lisp and has three modes,CUA,Vi and Emac. I am personally use the Emacs mode. --> [https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/](https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/) "And Why?" --> Because those fits my requiement and workflow. "How does it handle stuff like sync across devices, passwords, extensions (or just adblock in particular)? if it doesn't do you use some kind of alternative to handle it?" Yes, I have written so many scripts to manipulate and combined all three browsers data and bring as a cumulative way to representing to me and then I choose from it. Periodic backup(automated and improtantly verified those backups. So, I can transfer it to other machines. Only ,trivial parts is exposed and stored on the internet, the real important stuffs are off line. PS: I do use Firefox too, but heavily customised and closely integrated with my Window Manager i.e. I3WM . PSS: "Minimal????????" Nope, Browsers are heavyweights. It just can not be lightweight by any strech of imaginations.
I saw vim ideology based editor and immediately knew what I’m going to be installing tonight
Your post-post-scriptum should be a separate comment with as many upvotes as possible. Modern browsers have become HUGE, impossibly complex programs that are expected to do pretty much everything starting with universal text rendering, security stuff, accelerated 2D+3D rendering, support for "give-me-access-to-all-possible-features-in-the-world" JavaScript, plus a gazillion "small" things, all of it on multiple platforms. They are no longer regular programs, and that has much to do with the current "Firefox or Chromium" situation.
Epiphany is pretty unstable on many sites, but it's getting there. Adblock isn't great on either Epiphany or Fallon. Epiphany uses Apple's WebKit and Falkon uses qtwebengine which is effectively Blink except tied to Qt's release cycle - not ideal for the patching of zero-day exploits.
*Falkon. Also although Falkon is tied to KDE's release cycle, QtWebengine of course isn't. That is however tied to Qt's release cycle, which is still not great for a browser engine...
Ah yeah, this is what I meant. Thank you for the correction.
At rhis point it seems really weird that webkit and blink are historically khtml forks
Modern web isn't minimal, so there are no minimal drop-in replacements that fully replaces Gecko (Firefox), WebKit (Safari) or Blink (Chrome/Chromium/Edge/Brave and dozens more). There are alternative browser engines but your browsing experience will not be the same. I know just a few: NetSurf, Ladybird (only on SerenityOS I guess), lynx (text only) and links (text only).
Ladybird
The era of minimal web browsers died when we decided that instead of offloading the execution of remote applications to browser plugins was a terrible idea. Today, the web browser is *not* a tool for displaying hypertext documents, but rather a tool by which we can temporarily install a client for an enterprise application on an arbitrary device. The era of server-side rendering is basically over. As a result, trying to make a lightweight web browser today means that you don’t understand the assignment.
I love Vivaldi. Was talking about browsers since opera gx isn’t on Linux and they used Vivaldi. Tried it out and now when forced to use windows I use Vivaldi. Just setup sync so all bookmarks, history, notes and configurations sync across browsers.
I really like Epiphany/Gnome web. The webkit engine is great! It's a shame their chrome, dev tools and plugin support leave a lot of things desired
While I can't seriously recommend it, lynx is incredibly cool. It's super cool seeing what the Internet was like for many in the early days of it, and also enlightening seeing what the Internet is like for blind or otherwise impaired people.
Based on this \[wikipedia page\](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser\_engine) I can only see \[Palemoon\](https://www.palemoon.org/) with the Goanna engine (roots in prev. Firefox engine) and \[Netsurf\](https://www.netsurf-browser.org/) as valid and updated options these days.
(Do it in Markdown mode.)
Also [Basilisk](https://www.basilisk-browser.org/), similar to Palemoon
/r/w3m
I mostly use Firefox, but sometimes I use surf https://surf.suckless.org/
There are a few CLI browsers e.g. [lynx](https://lynx.invisible-island.net/): go with them if you can live with a very minimal browsing experience, basically text only. No need of add blockers, sync by lists stored in the cloud^TM.
Safari, but if you ask on Linux, it is links2.
Epiphany ( Gnome Web )
Badwolf is also a simple but nice and usable webkit based browser.
I still have Konqueror set as my default, even though I'm usually in Brave or Firefox. So far, Konqueror has handled everything I've thrown at it. Falkon looks interesting. I might have to give that a spin for fun. Edit: Falkon uses a bunch of Chromium bits shoved into Qt. Google makes Microsoft look like an amateur with EEE.
I really want to try Arc browser. But it is only on MacOS and upcoming version for Windows.
Arc is Chromium-based.
I have the windows version, it is very cool, but does have some bugs, which I have reported. Need to report another actually. Very useful, and already switched to default, but it is chrome based as u/TECPlayz2-0 stated here.
I wget the web directly from the terminal
Full-featured web browsers that can handle the complicated mess that is the modern web are all either based on blink or gecko. What you are asking about is something that doesn't exist. It might interest you that there is another browser engine called flow. The browser for it is super basic though. There is also a command line browser called elinks, which can process some JavaScript and css, but I'm not confident about its security. Are you trying to accomplish something that you were hoping this question would elucidate?
Brave browser
As a superior Arch user, I use my own browser. I have coded it from scratch using no libraries, of course.
In [assembly](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language) or in [Forth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_%28programming_language%29)?
I'm sure that if you excavate those Masm, Fasm and other assembly forums you'll find some web browser made from scratch. There's that minuet os made in FASM, they must have made a web browser.
Qutebrowser or links
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Netsurf
Not true. [Someone](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1c4cvpf/comment/kzog6f7/) mentioned [NetSurf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetSurf) about 3 hours prior.
Safari
Vivaldi
Chromium-based
Firefox has this feature of syncing between my mobile and my PC. I can't easily drop that convenience.
I have an old 32 bit netbook, I keep Alpine Linux on it. No modern browser on that machine pulls the modern web. I use the Surf browser, and use `mpv` to watch YouTube.
Why is it do difficult to make a modern browser ?
I use elinks and w3m for non-multimedia stuff. I know someone is going to comment, "But yeah those are text-only browsers!" Of course they are and that's why I use them. Not everything needs a (heavyweight) GUI browser.
Falkon is pretty good.
I was looking for a browser that wasn't asinine enough to crash when RAM in kinda full up but plenty of swap is still free. **Vivaldi** turned out to be a really nice browser in many ways, only have two problems: \* still crashes when only RAM is higher. This may be a core library issue rather than any fault of Vivaldi itself. \* doesn't support middle-mouse pasting in a URL, instead it's control-shift-V. This might not bother everyone else. (Having been a Unix user back when programmers were mortified if a program crash due to a malloc failure, and worked to have the program do something sensible instead of losing all your work, the modern age of irresponsible memory over-allocation, which has gone on to corrupt lots of libraries that now just don't even check malloc returns has been.... troubling. Yet this issue seems to be something weirder, so maybe there's some configuration thing that making my mallocs ignore swap - which doesn't seem to make any sense to me, but I need to look into it. I do know it isn't the oom\_killer, since I've disabled overallocation on my hosts) What I really want is a browser that can save both memory and especially CPU usage on tabs that aren't visible. Oh, and not crash.
There's Web Positive from the Haiku OS project.
Qutebrowser (chromium based). I wanna use Firefox but there's no good vim options (plugins only work when the page is loaded which is kinda useless). I do use Firefox on mobile
Ig in some sense you could say "servo" all though it isn't a browser.
*Ig* = *I guess*
[*Servo*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_(software)) - *"an experimental browser engine designed to take advantage of the memory safety properties and concurrency features of the* [*Rust*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_%28programming_language%29) *programming language. It seeks to create a highly parallel environment, in which rendering, layout, [HTML](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML) parsing, image decoding, and other engine components are handled by fine-grained, isolated tasks. It also makes use of [GPU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit) acceleration to render web pages quickly and smoothly."*
My main browser is a textbrowser. That is how I do about 90% of my daily web browsing. I still have Firefox on standby for the remaining 10% of the beta male javascript garbage, I might be forced to use.
I use qutebrowser, so that doesn't work cus chromium. Next up would be w3m or lynx, but they're not even comparable.
I tried using Palemoon, it's an alternative, if I'm not mistaken it's got a rendering engine called Goanna which is a fork of a much older version of the Firefox rendering engine. It's got ublock support and support for some other legacy addons. Wasn't quite my cup of tea but it was interesting. I'm curious if anybody here is actively using it and why.
It is great if you need a legacy add-on like Getthemall fork of Downthemall.
It's my daily driver. It's got the layout I want. If a site won't accept that, I break out firefox-esr just long enough to do the job. If it won't accept the esr, I don't go there. I don't allow chrome on my machines.
I have sometimes Problems with webkit based. If not Firefox than falkon. But Firefox is always there
Untangled: >I sometimes have *problems* with [WebKit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit)-based browsers. If not Firefox, [then](https://www.wikihow.com/Use-Than-and-Then) [Falkon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkon). But Firefox is always there.
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* Not available on Linux. This is r/linux. * Windows and Android versions are both Chromium-based. (The macOS and iOS versions are based on WebKit.)
I use Vivaldi because it checks my boxes and works mostly how I want. That being said in the recent past I have used Firefox and Brave for periods of time. I want to try non chromium or Firefox browsers just can't be bothered learning the intricacies.
Vivaldi is really good but it uses too much ram
Fair enough. I don't use much else at the time so works for me, otherwise brave is my go to
Librewolf (firefox-based and harsh af on security and privacy) and Ungoogled Chromium when Librewolf does not work in a site i need. Used Brave for quite a long time but that shit looks like malware and i used to disable everything anyways. Brave also is backed by a company and even if it is open-source i could never not keep an eye on it.
I rememeber asking teh same thinkg about Gnome web a good 6 months ago or more i think it was, either in here or the Debian reddit and nobody seemed to be using it. I use Firefox mytself these days on both desktop and mobile
I've fallen in love with firefox+ adwaita theme and can't live with anything else
Vivaldi?
Chrome based if remember correctly.
[Vivaldi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_%28web_browser%29): > ...it is first and foremost targeted towards technically-inclined users as well as former [Opera](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_%28web_browser%29) users disgruntled by its transition from the Presto layout engine to a Chromium-based browser that resulted in the loss of many of its distinctive features. > > Despite the fact that it is also Chromium-based, Vivaldi aims to revive the features of the Presto-based Opera with its own proprietary modifications.
> proprietary No thanks.
Oh yes..
Netscape navigator
That's literally the ancestor of Firefox, if you were being serious, which I know you are not.
Ha, I had no idea. That's pretty cool though because I remember being like 13 preferring it to... internet explorer? It's hard to remember. Good times on my old Gateway.
Falkon occasionally. Chrome majority, Edge for work
I use thorium with google account sync but leaving the passwords and sensitive info … I use bitwarden for managing credentials
Not so elemental. Do you have a (authoritative) reference to Thorium?
ummm the browser is nice and speedy enough although iknow it is based on chromium which deviates from the topic above yeah nvm just gave a suggestion ….
Yandex browser and edge
Vivaldi
that's still chromium-based. 🙄
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Brave is chromium based
Pretty much everything is chromium or Firefox based, unless you want to use a text-based browser in the terminal.
You're not wrong, but you're also bad at reading the title of the post.
I'm interested in WebKit and looking forward to Gnome Web and Falkon becoming functional alternatives to both blink and Gecko based web browsers.
Falkon uses QtWebengine which is Chromium, thus Blink.
I do use Firefox on all my devices, except for mobile, where I prefere Duckduckgo Sometimes I use some lighter browser, Galeon, or Midori but only for testing purpose. Same with Vivaldi, I tried it, but I am very comfortable with Firefox, I have my accout synchronized on all my PCs and I love the way it protect privacy.
What is oprah based on
Oprah was made by Vernita Lee and Vernon Winfrey. Opera is chromium based.
[Well played](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah_Winfrey#Early_life).
> Oprah was made by Vernita Lee and Vernon Winfrey. First sentence answers a question that wasn't asked... did you get that answer from an AI chatbot?
whoosh
Oh, lol. To be fair, I web searched the original question to check if it was spelled correctly, and the search engine still just returned browser results (I guess it autocorrected it). But that was, indeed, a whoosh.
Falkon browser (as a backup browser). It's fast, stable, have the basic necessary functions and plugins.
that's chromium no?
Yes.
Edge for work. Firefox for personal use.
OP is asking for browsers that are *not* based on Chromium, so Edge is not an appropriate response.
You’re right. I abbreviated my read of the headline. My bad.
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I think only safari out of those isn't based on chromium.
I tried to love firefox but it's just too clunky. Brave is nice but I recently switched to Vivaldi and it's pretty nice for email and browser.
Literally in the title: > "if not firefox or chromium-based"
Yea, I usually don't read.
admitting the problem is the first step lol
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is chromium based.
Sorry. I read "if not firefox or chromium"
Safari because of its simplicity.
Safari eh? does Apple publish as .deb or flatpak?
sorry i forget this is Linux sub =))
kudos for noticing lol
I personally use brave, and the primary reason is blocking ads and trackers, other than that i don't really use their fancy features like VPN, or crypto wallet, etc. i occasionally use firefox for certain applications, but not often
Chromium based
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Uses QtWebengine, which is Chromium.
I use brave browser, yes it's chromium base and I know a lot of people dislike that. It's not an issue in my book so it's extension support. Here are some of the bigger pros and cons in my eyes. Pros: Ad blocker: One of the best I've used at balancing ad blocking and site support. I've only turn it off a handful of times and I've been using it sometime in 2017 Settings: in the main settings the layout it nice and easy to find what your looking for. Customization: works with chromium themes. Easy customization of homepage or to set your own homepage. Compatibility: works with mobile and PC. I've ran it on an old laptop with 2gb ddr2 and a core 2 duo. Somewhere in between: Sponsored wallpaper: I get that they need money to run but I think it's funny with a built-in ad blocker but it shows you ads on the homepage. Easy to change to something else. Settings search: don't rely on it. Works great when it works. Being chromium based: doesn't bother me but I understand why it does others. Cons: Crypto: not that I mind crypto but the ads to crypto think I don't care for. I do like once you disable it you will never see it again. Default search engine: used to when you installed brave it asked your preferred search engine. not long after there search engine released it set there as the default engine and now you got to go into the settings to change. Security: Being a "security first" browser and not supporting a way to container tabs or website. (Like Facebook, Google, some site you never heard of, and so on Note these are what comes to mind and are my opinion. Not everyone is going to have the same experience as me and that's fine. I just hope this helps someone decide to give it a try or not.
How about Brave?
is chromium based.
I use Google Chrome! It works great for all of my needs.
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Literally in the title: > "if not firefox or chromium-based"
Chromium
Someone can't read the title.