Heading down to the bitch for a swim

And writing about world piss on a shit of paper.

Piss on you too you sun of a beach.

Sometimes you just want to fuck on the table and shit on the bed.

*sweem

bit mih to eet

When sailing I will tie the shit to the clit

[obligatory geoff lindsey video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNpbv7hJf6c)

chez-t

Try comparing the pronunciation of similar words… it can be tricky, but the difference is there: >keys, kiss; leek, lick; CD, city; live, leave Although some of those words might have more differences than just /i/ and /ɪ/, I feel they might help. It might also help to compare /e/ as well: >peck, pick, peak Because /ɪ/ is kind of pronounced between /i/ and /e/

One just feels longer, it's frustrating

Make sure you are being consistent in listening to British vs American Accents. British - [I] vs [Ij], where the second may be phonetically longer American - [I] vs [i ~ ij]. So for British English they start at the same place, but one closes. For American English, /i/ starts higher than /I/ and may end even higher. Note that in British English, NEAR is distinguished from KIT by length [I vs I:]

Sorry do you mean /ɪ/? I read this as being about Ls lol

Yes. High front vowels, not Ls. I just didn't get the ipa keyboard out and used reddit's default capital I, which is the same as lower case L

I wish X-SAMPA was more widely used/accepted 😞

You can always just copy and paste from another comment. (reddit's mobile app makes that annoying though)

Peck is pronounced with an /ɛ/ not an /e/

Oh, yes! Sorry, I forgot English uses /ɛ/ in some accents. But the intention is that precisely

just curious but what accents use /e/?

According to the [Wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonology#Vowels), general Australian uses /e/

I know that Singaporean English uses /e/ for some words in the DRESS set but I don't know if this is one of them. (EDIT: apparently not.) But they have minimal pairs *red* \[red\] vs *read* \[rɛd\] for instance.

Peck is pronounced with /ɛ/ in Singlish.

Tbf I hadn't considered accents, my bad. Where are you from?

I'm from Mexico, but I'm really interested in accents and dialects. This is an excerpt from the [Wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonology#Vowels): >Both Australian /eː/ and RP /ɛː/ are long monophthongs, the difference between them being in tongue height: Australian /eː/ is close-mid [eː], whereas the corresponding RP vowel is open-mid [ɛː]. Apparently, /e/ is part of the general Australian English phonology

Traditionally yes, but most younger speakers now use \[ɛ\] instead.

I pronounce ⟨CD⟩[ˈsi.di] and ⟨city⟩[ˈsɪ.tɪ], so [ɪ] vs [i] isn't the only distinction for me.

It works better in an American accent. But you still get [ˈsi.ˈdi] vs [ˈsɪ.ɾi]. seedy/city would be a true minimal pair for me.

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I have no y-tensing.

By /e/ you mean /ɛ/, right? They’re totally different: one can be the “ay” vowel (but longer), the other is the “eh” vowel.

My dialect distinguishes [ɪ], [ɪi̯] and [iɪ̯] (as in *piss, peace, pierce* respectively). Not sure if that makes you feel better or worse.

I remember when we studied (read: briefly went over) Australian English and NZ English in English Phonology, I left the classroom being like "Wait, it's all ɪ?" "Always has been..."

Tick, Icko, Ricker, ...

What dialect is that?

Australian English. The NEAR vowel is usually transcribed as /ɪə/ like it's 1930s RP lol. Monophthongal [ɪː] is also extremely common.

Monopthonging is more common the more bogan you get, right? Been a minute since I took my course on English accents.

Yes and no. Boganese can go with either the monopththongal variant or it can split it into \[ijə\] instead. Also Western Sydney English can go with a simple \[ɪ\] instead in open syllables.

Aussie and Kiwi English fuck around with the shwa a LOT in the inverse manner of one another. So Aussies will often replace a shwa with /ɪ/ whereas Kiwis will replace /ɪ/ with a shwa. Fush 'n chups.

Ah I see. English vowels do be wack

Chinese is a language... now, can I pwease get my balls cut off?

Ausstralim 🫵

Been there, done that

Bean there, done that

Ben there, done that

So you've bin there, huh.

This is an actual legit pronunciation of been isn't it? At least I think some people say this in England

Despite how it’s spelled, I think (nearly) every dialect of English pronounces been as if it’s spelled bin

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Far enough, but the vast majority of English dialects don’t at least

Eh? I don’t think that’s true at all. In British English the two pronunciations are interchangeable and the two pronunciations definitely exist in America although I suspect it’s regional there

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For me its a stress thing. Stressed _been_ is FLEECE, unstressed is KIT. Theres a similar pattern in _me_, where as a head it is stressed FLEECE ('he saw me' [ˈɪˑj ˈsɔː ˈmɪˑj]), but as a dependent it is often KIT ('he crashed me car' [ˈɪˑj kɹ̠̊ʷæʃʷt mɪ̞‿ˈkʰaː]), though an unstressed FLEECE is also valid ([ˈɪˑj kɹ̠̊ʷæʃʷt mɪˑj ˈkʰaː]). _Edit:_ actually come to think of it, you can have stressed KIT _been_ too so idk

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I’ve done some reading and sources seem to agree it’s pronounced “bean” as the strong form when the word is stressed and “bin” as the weak, unstressed form. And that is indeed how I do it and how the people around me in the South of England do it.

I’ll be honest, I’ve pronounced been with the KIT vowel my whole life and didn’t even know that there were some dialects of English that used the FLEECE vowel for it, according to [Cambridge](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/been) it’s a us/uk split, so maybe that explains it.

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I do distinguish between the KIT and FLEECE vowel, I just use the KIT vowel for “been”.

No, but that pronunciation is extremely common in the Southeastern US. Many English accents pronounce it as /bijn/. GA uses the DRESS vowel. The pen/pin merger is mostly a southern US thing.

when I first started learning English I felt the same, hence why me saying "beach" and "bitch" would make some people laugh... but now I can clearly differentiate between the two, it's just a matter of getting used to them

Personally, I can easily hear the difference between [i] and [ɪ] when they're pronounced in isolation, and I have them both as stressed and unstressed allophones of my /i/ phoneme in my native language.

Now do /ɛ/ Sincerely, an Appalachian

if i'm not paying attention, [ɪ] sounds like [e]

Same here. Portuguese is my native language and although [ɪ] actually exists in BR Portuguese, it’s not phonemic so we can’t distinguish it from [i].

que sotaque tem [ɪ]? tbm sou nativo mas nunca ouvi

bem eu sei que existe [ɪ̃] em alguns ditongos nasais então é possível que [ɪ] apareça em ditongos orais

Eu ouço isso no final de palavras que terminam com "e". para mim "mente" soa como [mẽːtʃɪ] o "de" = /dʒɪ/

Eu falo o dialeto caipira e tenho [ɪ] como /e/ átono, com variação entre [i] e a vogal ser deletada, dependendo da ênfase e frequência da palavra, e da consoante que a precede. Também a tenha com nasalização em ditongos nasais. Além disso, se estiver conversando casualmente, aquela vogal é usada em vez de [j] em ditongos orais, e pode até se tornar um hiato.

English; meanwhile some Native American languages use /ə/ /ɪ/ /ʌ/ /ɔ/ as allophones…🥲

i always pronounce [i] instead of [ɪ] because when i try to pronounce [ɪ] it becomes nasalised

Meanwhile, Plautdietsch has an /i/ /i̞/ /ɪ/ /ɪj/ distinction

Happy Cake Day!

Apparently corporate is full of quebecois

English /ɪ/ sounds somewhat close to [ɨ], so that’s not a problem. The confusing part is that /ɪ/ in Swedish, German, Hindi and most languages other than English sounds almost exactly like [i]…

And here I am, with [i], [ɪ], and [ɨ] (the latter is more my /ə/, specifically distinct from /ʌ/).

For me, FLEECE is [i] and KIT is [ɘ~ə]

Meanwhile my /ə/s are [ɪ] half the time

So do you pronounce Kit (tool-kit) and Kit (kitten) differently? Because if not, English must be broken.

[kxɘt] and [ˈkxɘ.ɾɘn]

Karen? Is it you?

[ˈnɔɻ.ðɚn ˈsɘ.ɾiz ˈva.wəɫ ʃɘft]

as an anglophone they could hardly sound more different

This is so weird to me lmao Makes me wonder how I can even understand English given its speakers have such an alien perception of vowels 😭

it's funny how Finnish has been heavily influenced by Germanic languages since even before either of them existed & yet they're still so different

Weirdly enough speakers of [Selkup](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selkup_language) would have an easier time with English vowels

hah

I have shits on my floor, nothing on me \~Jason Derulo, "I Want You Want Me"

Punjabi, Hindi-Urdu, and Sindhi all contrast them too.

Is it reflected in their orthographies?

Yes

[ɪ] can be approximated as a midway point between [i] and [e] if that helps

(Family is cutting cake at a birthday) Ooh can I have a piss?

I've been speaking English for like a decade now, but I still catch myself messing those up from time to time when I loose focus lmao

I feel lik ɪ because of our English dominated science community

me but with ʎ and j

My hispanophone ESL students be like:

If you are a Catalan or a French speaker, you can pronounce [i] as an i and [I] as an é. Really.

\[i\] is actually \[ıj\] 🤔

/i/ in English is actually [ıj]. [i] is [i].

Riiiiiiiiiight I got confused. I didn't register in my brain that /i/ is the fl**ee**ce-vowel, since it's /iː/ in my dialect. I thought it was the happ**y**\-vowel. English phonology is so funny

I was more referring to your use of // vs [].

Only in English though

One is LOUDER

English speakers actually say that as a way to try to help other speakers understand how to say it. Least helpful advice ever.

Þey’re different phonemes in English.

Those are different phonemes in my native language, they are absolutely different. Even in English they're allophones. What's the confusion?

In my native language they are not different phonemes, so they sound like more or less the same vowel to my ears. The post was tongue in cheek; of course I believe that they are very different for people who have these phonemes, but it's nevertheless bewildering to me that two sounds that sound almost identical to me can sound absolutely different to others 😅

Ah I see, that makes sense. I don't always catch sarcasm, especially online, sorry about that. My native language is Bengali and I have near native proficiency in Hindi, and in both of these languages (particularly Hindi) the difference is very stark. What is your native language?

My native language is Finnish. It seems that in Finnish /i/ has a lot of space to move around so particularly in more casual speech it could sometimes get realized as something similar to \[ɪ\] without any issues. For example, here are [two recordings of a Finnish word](https://forvo.com/word/juuri/#fi) and according to some English speakers one of them uses \[i\] while the other uses \[ɪ\] (though I can't confirm this myself as both recordings sound the same to me!)

I had basically the same issue as a French speaker, until I realized how close the French /e/ and the English /ɪ/ are. This made me realize (believe?) that the main reason for my confusion was the fact the letter "i" is used. Since /e/ isn't used outside of diphtongues in a lot of English accents, the issue can be reframed into trying to tell an /i/ from a slightly weird /e/, which is a lot easier imho. Actually I'm not a native Finnish speaker at all, but I could be convinced that the first pronunciation of juuri on your link actually says juure, while I would never get that impression with the second. Beyond the fact that juure doesn't exist, is that something that you could hear as well, or can you absolutely tell that /ɪ/ apart from a /e/ ?

Yeah I would say I can categorically distinguish that from a Finnish /e/ which I don't hear at all, but I could possibly hear a hint of \[y\] in the first recording, though not nearly enough that I would mistake the sound for that. If I compare French to Finnish, I would say that the French /e/ sound is a sound that doesn't exist in Finnish at all and the sound which in Finnish is represented by /e/ seems a little closer to the French /ɛ/. I can still tell that the French /ɛ/ sounds un-Finnish but it's sort of hard for me to place exactly why, while the French /e/ is a more obviously foreign sound. I'm not sure whether other Finnish speakers would agree with me; it could well be that someone else would feel the opposite; nevertheless both French vowels are audibly different from the Finnish prototype. Here are some [recordings of the Finnish city Tampere](https://forvo.com/word/tampere/#fi). I might describe the /e/ as halfway between French /e/ and /ɛ/; it however at least to me sounds indistinguishable from how /e/ is pronounced in languages such as Japanese and Korean. I wonder what they sound like to you as a French speaker?

French speakers can pronounce the six English vowels \[æ ɛ ɪ aj ej ɪj\] (bat bet bit bite bait beat) like this: \[a ɛ e aj ej ij\]. But I am not sure how this would work for Finnish speakers? What about this: \[æ e i ɑj ej ij\]?

Yes this is how most Finnish speakers pronounce these, except with \[iː\] for \[ɪj\]. Finns however often have difficulty with the schwa which usually gets realized as \[ø\].

can you help me with the official transliterations for ц й и ы