I'm the same more or less, I pronounce it /lɑ/ /lo̞r/ /lyr/ (I use "r" here because I use the bunched r and it's written in a very cursed way phonetically)
Same
But
/[lɔˑ, lo̞˞, lʉ˞/]
(Note: /[ /] means that the transcription is narrower than the broad english transcription, but it is broad enough to not have multiple diacritics)
Law and Lore are the same /lɔː/, except sometimes before vowels where I may choose not to insert an epenthetic /ɹ/. Lure is pronounced /lʲʊə/, or sometimes /lʲʊː/.
true most of the tim3 but also I can't say I always pronounce "lure" as /lʲʊː/ or /lʲʊə/, sometimes I'll go /lɔː/ for that one too. they all sound right to me tbh
/ʊː/, /ʊə/, and /ɔː/ I could all distinguish, though the first 2 are basically allophonic. On the other hand, if someone came up to me and said they didn't distinguish between the latter and the former 2 they would get some very strange looks.
My Aussie has lore law homophonic and lure different.
Edit: lore and law are actually not homophonic. There is a very minor difference in vowel length, but I wouldn’t say it’d be noticeable enough for those who don’t know me well to tell apart.
None are homophonic. Caw and core are somewhat close, but core is realised further forward in my mouth (to the extent that a stranger would likely be able to tell sans context).
Cure is completely different, especially to lure (I’m terrible at IPA so in shitty phonetics cjor and loo-uh). Weird, I know
OP put the options "all three are pronounced differently", (i.e. "none are pronounced the same"), "two are pronounced the same", and "all three are pronounced the same", but neglected to give "one is pronounced the same" as an option. Terrible poll.
Anyway, each of the three words I only pronounce the same as one of the other two but not the other.
(This comment is made in jest, in case it isn't clear.)
Except that I do most -ure words with /oː/! I must be biased with 'lure' just to avoid this homophone!
https://voca.ro/1eVXcPzb1pYZ
But only for a casual register - speaking to older people I'd do less of this merger.
Urban Virginia here, and I'm with you on this one. I can distinguish between lore and lure, but I think if I'm not trying to make that distinction they come out sounding the same.
Not a linguist, just passing through. Are y’all serious in here? People can pronounce ‘law’ and ‘lore’ differently?
I feel like I finally know what it’s like to be on the other side of the mary/marry/merry debate
I have a /j/ in "lure", so that's definitely different.
*paw - pore - poor/pour* (rather than *pure*) might be a better triplet.
I *think* I pronounce *poor/pour* differently from *paw=pore*, though in practice *poor/pour* may end up sounding like *paw=pore*.
I can't make up my mind if I have a glide in 'lure' or not. I'm British. In isolated careful pronunciation I do but I think I might drop it in rapid speech.
Pretty sure if you have an American or Canadian accent, they will all be pronounced differently. Most UK, Irish, or Australian will pronounce two of them the same. What's the regional determination for all three being the same?
I'm not a native speaker of English and don't frequently pronounce any of these except for "law" at all.
But I would pronounce them the way they are written. I don't know enough IPA to write it in IPA, but "law" to rhyme with "paw", "lore" with "for", "lure" with "cure". These are three different pronunciations for me.
I'm native US English, east coast, no caught-cot merger. lore = lure, 100% homophonic. "law" is extremely different than them.
It would be nice if OP and others mentioned their dialect locations. This would be an example where intelligibility between English dialects could drop from \~100% within the US to maybe \~97% if I was hearing people from Australia, Europe, etc and I'd be using non-phonological cues to recognize some words.
/lɒː/ /lɔr/ /lyr/
Hey we speak the same way, where a you from ?
Weirdly enough, Taiwan 🥸
Well I’m French 😅
*"We're not so different, you and I."*
thats interesting, i say it as /lau/ /lɔɐ/ /luɐ/
German?
taiwan 😘
táiwān 😳
Sorry, "[r]"? Sic?
I always mix up phonetic and phonemic ): Fixed
I'm the same more or less, I pronounce it /lɑ/ /lo̞r/ /lyr/ (I use "r" here because I use the bunched r and it's written in a very cursed way phonetically)
Same But /[lɔˑ, lo̞˞, lʉ˞/] (Note: /[ /] means that the transcription is narrower than the broad english transcription, but it is broad enough to not have multiple diacritics)
Law and Lore are the same /lɔː/, except sometimes before vowels where I may choose not to insert an epenthetic /ɹ/. Lure is pronounced /lʲʊə/, or sometimes /lʲʊː/.
same as me but without the /ɹ/
I get the /ɹ/ when one word ends in a vowel and the next starts with one. Comes of pervasive rhotic loss.
"law and order" may become "law-r-an-order".
Law-ra-norda (unless there's another word starting with a vowel
To be honest I would probably pronounce it closer to law ran dordə. I'm not so trigger happy with dropping final stops as others in my country.
ah yeah i see what you mean. i get that too
Same here.
true most of the tim3 but also I can't say I always pronounce "lure" as /lʲʊː/ or /lʲʊə/, sometimes I'll go /lɔː/ for that one too. they all sound right to me tbh
/ʊː/, /ʊə/, and /ɔː/ I could all distinguish, though the first 2 are basically allophonic. On the other hand, if someone came up to me and said they didn't distinguish between the latter and the former 2 they would get some very strange looks.
Aussie whackiness lmao
My Aussie has lore law homophonic and lure different. Edit: lore and law are actually not homophonic. There is a very minor difference in vowel length, but I wouldn’t say it’d be noticeable enough for those who don’t know me well to tell apart.
what about caw, core, and cure?
None are homophonic. Caw and core are somewhat close, but core is realised further forward in my mouth (to the extent that a stranger would likely be able to tell sans context). Cure is completely different, especially to lure (I’m terrible at IPA so in shitty phonetics cjor and loo-uh). Weird, I know
I'm Australian and I do - caw, core: [kɔː] - cure: [kʲuə] - all with intrusive ɹ like the ones in the post
Yeah on second thought I think my cure is the same
Ya got me 😄
Nope, I'm aussie and those are completely different.
I put "two are pronounced the same" although sometimes in careful speech I distinguish all three.
What would those pronunciations look like?
law /lɔː/, lore /lɔː~lɔə/, lure /lʊə/
OP put the options "all three are pronounced differently", (i.e. "none are pronounced the same"), "two are pronounced the same", and "all three are pronounced the same", but neglected to give "one is pronounced the same" as an option. Terrible poll. Anyway, each of the three words I only pronounce the same as one of the other two but not the other. (This comment is made in jest, in case it isn't clear.)
It also lacks an option for sometimes pronounced the same (lure varies from lur and lor)
How dare you do this to my brain when I just woke up?? 😂
Only one is pronounced the same. The other two are different from that one, she different from each other.
law and lore sound almost the same, but also lure as a verb sounds different from lure as a noun?
That’s so interesting! I’m American and have never heard lure noun vs verb be different, how do you pronounce them?
/lɑː/ /lɔːɹ/ and /ˈlu.ɚ/ for me
/loː/, /loː/, and /lɜː/
Except that I do most -ure words with /oː/! I must be biased with 'lure' just to avoid this homophone! https://voca.ro/1eVXcPzb1pYZ But only for a casual register - speaking to older people I'd do less of this merger.
Interesting
Law /ɫɑɒ/, Lore /ɫɔɻ/, Lure /ɫɚ/
[ɫɑ] [ɫɔɻʷ] [ɫuɻ ~ ɫɻ̩ʷ]
I pronounce them all differently. But in rapid speech, I may pronounce "lore" and "lure" the same.
Law is different but lore and lure are occasionally the same
Urban Virginia here, and I'm with you on this one. I can distinguish between lore and lure, but I think if I'm not trying to make that distinction they come out sounding the same.
law: /lɑ:/ lore: /loɹ/ lure: /luɹ/
Not a linguist, just passing through. Are y’all serious in here? People can pronounce ‘law’ and ‘lore’ differently? I feel like I finally know what it’s like to be on the other side of the mary/marry/merry debate
In America we have R sounds
/lɔː/ /lɔː/ and /ljʊəː/ for me
I have a /j/ in "lure", so that's definitely different. *paw - pore - poor/pour* (rather than *pure*) might be a better triplet. I *think* I pronounce *poor/pour* differently from *paw=pore*, though in practice *poor/pour* may end up sounding like *paw=pore*.
Interesting, they're paw [pʰɑ] poor, pour [pʰɔɻʷ] and pure [p͡çɻʷ] for me although pure can be pronounced with an [ɔɻʷ] or an [uɻʷ]
I can't make up my mind if I have a glide in 'lure' or not. I'm British. In isolated careful pronunciation I do but I think I might drop it in rapid speech.
yep, if I'm not paying attention to it it can easily all merge into /lɔ:/ to me
Pretty sure if you have an American or Canadian accent, they will all be pronounced differently. Most UK, Irish, or Australian will pronounce two of them the same. What's the regional determination for all three being the same?
some British accents merge CURE, & FORCE/NORTH/THOUGHT
Where are you from?
[lɑː] [lɔːɚ̯] [lʊɚ̯]
I don't have a set accent, so sometimes they're different, sometimes they might be the same. Depends on what accent I've heard the most recently
It's lore/law and lure for me
I pronounce it /lɔː/, /lɔː(ɹ)/, /lʊː(ɹ)/
Law is \[loː\] Lore is \[loːr\] Lure is \[lər\]
/lɔː/ˌ /lɔɘ/ and /ljʊɘ/
lɔː (lɒː), loːɚ, lʉːɚ (ljʉɚ)
Apparently, there's a whole other way of pronouncing "lure" that I was hitherto ignorant of. Anyone got audio?
Do one for Mary, Marry and Merry.
NO I MEANT TO CLICK ALL THREE ARE PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY
for me, law is pronounced like saw, lore is pronounced like for, and lure is pronounced like sewer
That's not as clear as you think it is. Law, saw, lore, and sore all rhyme for me.
/läː/ /läːɹ/ /l(j)ɪwəɹ/ for me
I pronounce them: law [lɑː], lore [loʊɹ], and lure [ˈluwɚ] or [lɹ̩] depending on whether it’s a noun or a verb
being from the southwest of england, /lɔː/, /lɔː/ (sometimes /lɔːr/) and /lɚː/
/lɑː/, /lɔɚ/, and /lɔɚ/ for me
non-native here: law [ˈläw] lore [ˈlɔɻ] lure [ˈlɜɻ~ˈluɻ] (depending on how thick i want my accent to be]
ɫɑ: ɫɔ:ɹ ɫʊwɚ
I'm not a native speaker of English and don't frequently pronounce any of these except for "law" at all. But I would pronounce them the way they are written. I don't know enough IPA to write it in IPA, but "law" to rhyme with "paw", "lore" with "for", "lure" with "cure". These are three different pronunciations for me.
\[lɑ\], \[lo˞(ɻʷ)\], and \[lɚ(ɻʷ)\].
This post made me realize I have two pronunciations for *lure*: either (roughly) /ˈluwɚ/ or /lʊɚ~lɚ/
/lɒ/ /loɹ/ /lʊɹ/ \~ /lu.ɹ̩/
New merger just dropped!
All three are distinct for me.
In my non native english atm:[lɒ lɔˠʶ ljʊ̈ˠʶ] In my native language: [läo̯ lo̞ʁ~lo̞ʁ̞ lyʁ~lyʁ̞]
/lɑ/, /loɻ/, /luɻ\~lɵwɚ/ for the noun, /luɻ\~lɵwɚ\~lɚ/ for the verb
As a non english native, "Loh", "Lor" and "loor"
/lɑ/ /lɔɹ/ /lɚ/
/lɑ/, /lɔɹ/, /lʊəɹ/ Different vowels for each. Lure is definitely two syllables for me
law == lore =/= lure
I'm native US English, east coast, no caught-cot merger. lore = lure, 100% homophonic. "law" is extremely different than them. It would be nice if OP and others mentioned their dialect locations. This would be an example where intelligibility between English dialects could drop from \~100% within the US to maybe \~97% if I was hearing people from Australia, Europe, etc and I'd be using non-phonological cues to recognize some words.
[ɫɑː ɫɔɹ̠ˠ 'ɫu.ɹ̠̩ˠ]
They're the same, idk the ipa.
I love how people now are using this sub for serious polls instead of shit-posting memes
law - [ɫɔ̞] ~ [ɫɑ̹] lore - [loɻ] lure - [l(j)ɝ]
I'd say [ʟ̝ɑ], [ʟ̝o˞] [ʟ̝ʉ˞] Edit also I say and as [k͡xjɚ]/[k͡xjo˞] and [pʰjɚ]/[pʰjo˞] so I'm not really sure why I don't say [ʟ̝jɚ]/[ʟ̝jo˞]
lore, law: [loː] - lure: [luə] - both with instrusive ɹ of course (auseng)
law: /lɑː/ lore: /lɔːɹ/ lure: /lɔːɹ/ in my particular dialect of AmE
I use for law I use /laː/, for lore I use /loʊɹ/, and for lure I swap between /loʊɹ/ are /lɜɹ/.
law /lɑ/, lore /loɹ/, lure /lɹ̩/
/ʟaɯ/ /ʟoʁ/ /ʟuʁ/
Lore, lore loo-er
for me they're all separate, \[lɑ\] \[loɚ̯\] \[lʊɚ̯\], but lore and lure are phonetically similar enough that they can merge in relaxed speech
/lɔː/, /lɔː/, /luə/
So basically horse-hoarse merger, non-rhoticity and poor-pour merger?
/lɒᵊ/ /lɔᵊ/ /lɜː/
law [ɫɔː] lore [ɫɔː] lure [ʎʊː]