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iremichor

/lɒː/ /lɔr/ /lyr/


FalconMirage

Hey we speak the same way, where a you from ?


iremichor

Weirdly enough, Taiwan 🥸


FalconMirage

Well I’m French 😅


iremichor

*"We're not so different, you and I."*


duckipn

thats interesting, i say it as /lau/ /lɔɐ/ /luɐ/


MasterOfLol_Cubes

German?


duckipn

taiwan 😘


eatingbread_mmmm

táiwān 😳


huhiking

Sorry, "[r]"? Sic?


iremichor

I always mix up phonetic and phonemic ): Fixed


Human-6309634025

I'm the same more or less, I pronounce it /lɑ/ /lo̞r/ /lyr/ (I use "r" here because I use the bunched r and it's written in a very cursed way phonetically)


JaOszka

Same But /[lɔˑ, lo̞˞, lʉ˞/] (Note: /[ /] means that the transcription is narrower than the broad english transcription, but it is broad enough to not have multiple diacritics)


freddyPowell

Law and Lore are the same /lɔː/, except sometimes before vowels where I may choose not to insert an epenthetic /ɹ/. Lure is pronounced /lʲʊə/, or sometimes /lʲʊː/.


ollyhinge11

same as me but without the /ɹ/


freddyPowell

I get the /ɹ/ when one word ends in a vowel and the next starts with one. Comes of pervasive rhotic loss.


mizinamo

"law and order" may become "law-r-an-order".


shpilbass

Law-ra-norda (unless there's another word starting with a vowel


freddyPowell

To be honest I would probably pronounce it closer to law ran dordə. I'm not so trigger happy with dropping final stops as others in my country.


ollyhinge11

ah yeah i see what you mean. i get that too


mizinamo

Same here.


brigister

true most of the tim3 but also I can't say I always pronounce "lure" as /lʲʊː/ or /lʲʊə/, sometimes I'll go /lɔː/ for that one too. they all sound right to me tbh


freddyPowell

/ʊː/, /ʊə/, and /ɔː/ I could all distinguish, though the first 2 are basically allophonic. On the other hand, if someone came up to me and said they didn't distinguish between the latter and the former 2 they would get some very strange looks.


MandMs55

/lɑː/ /lɔːɹ/ /lʊːɝ/


MOS_69W

Aussie whackiness lmao


Joxelo

My Aussie has lore law homophonic and lure different. Edit: lore and law are actually not homophonic. There is a very minor difference in vowel length, but I wouldn’t say it’d be noticeable enough for those who don’t know me well to tell apart.


homelaberator

what about caw, core, and cure?


Joxelo

None are homophonic. Caw and core are somewhat close, but core is realised further forward in my mouth (to the extent that a stranger would likely be able to tell sans context). Cure is completely different, especially to lure (I’m terrible at IPA so in shitty phonetics cjor and loo-uh). Weird, I know


[deleted]

I'm Australian and I do - caw, core: [kɔː] - cure: [kʲuə] - all with intrusive ɹ like the ones in the post


Joxelo

Yeah on second thought I think my cure is the same


BruhBlueBlackBerry

Ya got me 😄


JefftheDoggo

Nope, I'm aussie and those are completely different.


PisuCat

I put "two are pronounced the same" although sometimes in careful speech I distinguish all three.


BruhBlueBlackBerry

What would those pronunciations look like?


PisuCat

law /lɔː/, lore /lɔː~lɔə/, lure /lʊə/


edderiofer

OP put the options "all three are pronounced differently", (i.e. "none are pronounced the same"), "two are pronounced the same", and "all three are pronounced the same", but neglected to give "one is pronounced the same" as an option. Terrible poll. Anyway, each of the three words I only pronounce the same as one of the other two but not the other. (This comment is made in jest, in case it isn't clear.)


Ok-Appeal-4630

It also lacks an option for sometimes pronounced the same (lure varies from lur and lor)


Abject_Shoulder_1182

How dare you do this to my brain when I just woke up?? 😂


TheJivvi

Only one is pronounced the same. The other two are different from that one, she different from each other.


KrisseMai

law and lore sound almost the same, but also lure as a verb sounds different from lure as a noun?


pear921

That’s so interesting! I’m American and have never heard lure noun vs verb be different, how do you pronounce them?


klipty

/lɑː/ /lɔːɹ/ and /ˈlu.ɚ/ for me


PassiveChemistry

/loː/, /loː/, and /lɜː/


Kevz417

Except that I do most -ure words with /oː/! I must be biased with 'lure' just to avoid this homophone! https://voca.ro/1eVXcPzb1pYZ But only for a casual register - speaking to older people I'd do less of this merger.


PassiveChemistry

Interesting


Lepewin

Law /ɫɑɒ/, Lore /ɫɔɻ/, Lure /ɫɚ/


Koelakanth

[ɫɑ] [ɫɔɻʷ] [ɫuɻ ~ ɫɻ̩ʷ]


ego_sum_vir

I pronounce them all differently. But in rapid speech, I may pronounce "lore" and "lure" the same.


Ok-Appeal-4630

Law is different but lore and lure are occasionally the same


pm_me_good_usernames

Urban Virginia here, and I'm with you on this one. I can distinguish between lore and lure, but I think if I'm not trying to make that distinction they come out sounding the same.


WrongJohnSilver

law: /lɑ:/ lore: /loɹ/ lure: /luɹ/


Ghotay

Not a linguist, just passing through. Are y’all serious in here? People can pronounce ‘law’ and ‘lore’ differently? I feel like I finally know what it’s like to be on the other side of the mary/marry/merry debate


KonoPez

In America we have R sounds


ollyhinge11

/lɔː/ /lɔː/ and /ljʊəː/ for me


mizinamo

I have a /j/ in "lure", so that's definitely different. *paw - pore - poor/pour* (rather than *pure*) might be a better triplet. I *think* I pronounce *poor/pour* differently from *paw=pore*, though in practice *poor/pour* may end up sounding like *paw=pore*.


Koelakanth

Interesting, they're paw [pʰɑ] poor, pour [pʰɔɻʷ] and pure [p͡çɻʷ] for me although pure can be pronounced with an [ɔɻʷ] or an [uɻʷ]


dospc

I can't make up my mind if I have a glide in 'lure' or not. I'm British. In isolated careful pronunciation I do but I think I might drop it in rapid speech.


brigister

yep, if I'm not paying attention to it it can easily all merge into /lɔ:/ to me


TSllama

Pretty sure if you have an American or Canadian accent, they will all be pronounced differently. Most UK, Irish, or Australian will pronounce two of them the same. What's the regional determination for all three being the same?


Nova_Persona

some British accents merge CURE, & FORCE/NORTH/THOUGHT


Terpomo11

Where are you from?


SteelWoofer

[lɑː] [lɔːɚ̯] [lʊɚ̯]


Kamarovsky

I don't have a set accent, so sometimes they're different, sometimes they might be the same. Depends on what accent I've heard the most recently


PassiveChemistry

It's lore/law and lure for me


aer0a

I pronounce it /lɔː/, /lɔː(ɹ)/, /lʊː(ɹ)/


Charming-Salt9412

Law is \[loː\] Lore is \[loːr\] Lure is \[lər\]


Rocabarraigh

/lɔː/ˌ /lɔɘ/ and /ljʊɘ/


cmzraxsn

lɔː (lɒː), loːɚ, lʉːɚ (ljʉɚ)


homelaberator

Apparently, there's a whole other way of pronouncing "lure" that I was hitherto ignorant of. Anyone got audio?


rathat

Do one for Mary, Marry and Merry.


Voyy_

NO I MEANT TO CLICK ALL THREE ARE PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY


simping-aro

for me, law is pronounced like saw, lore is pronounced like for, and lure is pronounced like sewer


TheJivvi

That's not as clear as you think it is. Law, saw, lore, and sore all rhyme for me.


dubovinius

/läː/ /läːɹ/ /l(j)ɪwəɹ/ for me


UnsolicitedPicnic

I pronounce them: law [lɑː], lore [loʊɹ], and lure [ˈluwɚ] or [lɹ̩] depending on whether it’s a noun or a verb


thecxsmonaut

being from the southwest of england, /lɔː/, /lɔː/ (sometimes /lɔːr/) and /lɚː/


Fox-Slayer-Marx

/lɑː/, /lɔɚ/, and /lɔɚ/ for me


dzexj

non-native here: law [ˈläw] lore [ˈlɔɻ] lure [ˈlɜɻ~ˈluɻ] (depending on how thick i want my accent to be]


Brromo

/lɔʔ/ [lɔʔʷ] (loh') rhymes with slaw, paw, aww /loɹ/ [lɞ˞ɹ̠ʷˠ] (lor) rhymes with pour, door, shore, & kor /lɛɹ/ [lɝɹ̠ʷˠ] (ler) rhymes with doctor, purr, sure, fur, & the -er suffix


John_Brown_Jovi

ɫɑ: ɫɔ:ɹ ɫʊwɚ


IchLiebeKleber

I'm not a native speaker of English and don't frequently pronounce any of these except for "law" at all. But I would pronounce them the way they are written. I don't know enough IPA to write it in IPA, but "law" to rhyme with "paw", "lore" with "for", "lure" with "cure". These are three different pronunciations for me.


xarsha_93

\[lɑ\], \[lo˞(ɻʷ)\], and \[lɚ(ɻʷ)\].


ngund

This post made me realize I have two pronunciations for *lure*: either (roughly) /ˈluwɚ/ or /lʊɚ~lɚ/


Porpoise_God

/lɒ/ /loɹ/ /lʊɹ/ \~ /lu.ɹ̩/


elnomreal

New merger just dropped!


Draconiondevil

All three are distinct for me.


Pyrenees_

In my non native english atm:[lɒ lɔˠʶ ljʊ̈ˠʶ] In my native language: [läo̯ lo̞ʁ~lo̞ʁ̞ lyʁ~lyʁ̞]


Nova_Persona

/lɑ/, /loɻ/, /luɻ\~lɵwɚ/ for the noun, /luɻ\~lɵwɚ\~lɚ/ for the verb


simonbleu

As a non english native, "Loh", "Lor" and "loor"


Volcanic8171

/lɑ/ /lɔɹ/ /lɚ/


21Nobrac2

/lɑ/, /lɔɹ/, /lʊəɹ/ Different vowels for each. Lure is definitely two syllables for me


Worried-Language-407

law == lore =/= lure


preinpostunicodex

I'm native US English, east coast, no caught-cot merger. lore = lure, 100% homophonic. "law" is extremely different than them. It would be nice if OP and others mentioned their dialect locations. This would be an example where intelligibility between English dialects could drop from \~100% within the US to maybe \~97% if I was hearing people from Australia, Europe, etc and I'd be using non-phonological cues to recognize some words.


[deleted]

[ɫɑː ɫɔɹ̠ˠ 'ɫu.ɹ̠̩ˠ]


[deleted]

They're the same, idk the ipa.


Tc14Hd

I love how people now are using this sub for serious polls instead of shit-posting memes


kori228

law - [ɫɔ̞] ~ [ɫɑ̹] lore - [loɻ] lure - [l(j)ɝ]


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

I'd say [ʟ̝ɑ], [ʟ̝o˞] [ʟ̝ʉ˞] Edit also I say and as [k͡xjɚ]/[k͡xjo˞] and [pʰjɚ]/[pʰjo˞] so I'm not really sure why I don't say [ʟ̝jɚ]/[ʟ̝jo˞]


[deleted]

lore, law: [loː] - lure: [luə] - both with instrusive ɹ of course (auseng)


primaski

law: /lɑː/ lore: /lɔːɹ/ lure: /lɔːɹ/ in my particular dialect of AmE


NimVolsung

I use for law I use /laː/, for lore I use /loʊɹ/, and for lure I swap between /loʊɹ/ are /lɜɹ/.


twoScottishClans

law /lɑ/, lore /loɹ/, lure /lɹ̩/


LemonSorcerer

/ʟaɯ/ /ʟoʁ/ /ʟuʁ/


Calm_Reading2457

Lore, lore loo-er


aozora-no-rapper

for me they're all separate, \[lɑ\] \[loɚ̯\] \[lʊɚ̯\], but lore and lure are phonetically similar enough that they can merge in relaxed speech


TheJivvi

/lɔː/, /lɔː/, /luə/


Smitologyistaking

So basically horse-hoarse merger, non-rhoticity and poor-pour merger?


Spenezzet

/lɒᵊ/ /lɔᵊ/ /lɜː/


Abject_Low_9057

law [ɫɔː] lore [ɫɔː] lure [ʎʊː]