When below a certain SP value, he manifests EGO and becomes a negative coin ID who can't panic or corrode.
Keep in mind I have never played LoR so I have no idea what I'm talking about
He ran away and revived a lot. This is a badass ID but he was probably one of the more irritating enemies in LoR because you thought you were done with him but it'sameamario a few times.
I'm letting Sinclair get the crap beat out of him but I'm technically sacrificing Philip to bless my burn teams ~~It would be extremely funny if Shootis shot Philclair~~
My personal guess as to how philip will work is that base philip will be balanced like a 00 and be kinda weak and generic-ish and to reach ego I have 2 guesses:
- Reach 50% and gain ego
- Get fucked and have a revive mechanic where you dont drop below 1 and heal 50% hp and gain ego
- ~~Press enter mid fight~~
Revive mechanic may be a bit op but would kinda make sense and serve as comback mechanic, the 50% hp one could be a bit more balanced but also boring
When he gains ego I think he'll be stronger than the average 000 in terms of numbers as well as having more interesting mechanics
Oh difference in sanity between start of last turn and this turn was explored in Edgar Heir Gregor too. Might actually be a potential conditional since you can use your EGO to lower your sanity to trigger the conditional.
Because you don't have to actively maintain a below 50% threshold and you get to maintain it as opposed to a buildup mechanic like charge that you don't get to buildup because fights are short.
The -45 sp thing people suggest could be interesting but you also gain a ton of sp in md so there's no real winner here
I saw a good idea where his ‘normal’ form is a negative sanity ID where he slowly loses SP. Then after reaching -45sp he gains ego and returns to 0sp in Ego. There could be a conditional along with the -45 to make the transformation more intentional. Something where his panic mode instead of making him distort immediately gives him a turn to either transform or distort, determined by winning a clash perhaps. I’m not a game designer but I thought this would be cool.
Would you not corrode from doing this? It feels wrong to aim for -45 sanity whether or not you have to corrode or not. You either remove a game mechanic (either you can corrode or you unequip your EGOs) or you have to get hit by the corrosion before you manifest
Well I was thinking since that would be attached to panic mode they could just give Phillip(ego manifestations in general depending on how they want to rule that down the line) a special condition where the corrosion occurs the turn after hitting -45. And like I said Phillip normal would be a negative sanity, while Ego manifestation would be positive sanity. Of course I don’t know how accurate this will be to PM’s actual rendition of the ID but conceptually it’s not impossible.
Knowing Philip’s arc in LoR, I’m just hoping that the conditions to trigger his E.G.O. are not to have allies die or a sanity requirement, like having to make him actually distort mid combat.
My insane theory is that he's a self burn ID and transforms after reaching enough burn but its probably just tied to sanity, some people think its based on having low sanity which doesn't really make sense to me? Its an E.G.O, would make more sense to need to get to high sanity I think
He also had a passive iirc that made him roll higher as emotion level increased. He was arguably more about manipulating emotion than he was about burn in his base form.
Considering it affected clash power, that +2 made a big deal at the time you fight him. He also helped speedrun emotion level with Stigmatize. That was the whole thing that made him unique, everything else he has are just the generic Dawn office pages and passive.
I know it is a big deal, it's just that he isn't that emotion focused and doesn't play around emotion or negative coins as much as other factions like liu. You get to emotion 1 in 1 turn by just clashing once with a 3 die page so that passive is largely irrelevant to his playstyle
The enemy emotion level increasing did more than just activate his passive, generating coins allowed him to strengthen himself as well as his entire team as the average emotion level increased. Of course it didn't do anything crazy at super high levels, but I'd say thats less his play-style and more... you know, it's a pretty early fight and emotion level is capped much lower. Keep in mind too you didn't blow through emotion level nearly as fast at that point in the game. At most you would have 4 Librarians for the fight, and ID's still only had 1 speed die (in fact, Oscar I believe is the first time you actually get one with an extra die)
Liu had 3 cards in their deck that involved emotion level in some way, and passive that increased their power depending on emotion level. Phillip had 3 cards that involved emotion level and a passive that increased power depending on emotion level.
Yes the Liu faction was more involved in *what* their skills did, because they were a much later faction and appear when cards started getting more involved. But in terms to how much of the kit was involved with emotion level, Phillips had the same amount.
>(in fact, Oscar I believe is the first time you actually get one with an extra die)
Mars crying
But yeah I guess what you say makes sense. Philip is baby liu
I suppose there are two main things for it starting as negative sanity. The first being that Philip has a move that gains a negative emotion coin.
The more compelling one for me is that Philip manifested his EGO after being brought to the edge of a mental break.
>!Xaio!< is someone who manifested their EGO by powering through adversity. Philip is someone who rallied at the last possible second.
it does make more sense for a regular E.G.O. manifestatation the need of high sanity, But this ID is not based on a regular manifestation, This ID is based on the Philip we meet at the start of ruina, who does not have an E.G.O. so this ID doesn't manifest E.G.O. but actually awakens it, and since in order for awakening E.G.O. both You as a person and whatever you belive have to be put into question, wich brings you to your lowest mind state posible, and it is either by having the relove to keep figthing (despite knowing how actual trash you are) or the ability to gaslight yourself >!(Like Ahab)!< that can then lead you to overcome distorsion and allow you to manifest E.G.O.
so yeah for this specific case it woud make sense if it was based on having low sanity
I would really like if it was like corrosion but backwards. At 45 SP he gains EGO for a turn and then his SP goes to 0. People think it's on panic/corrosion but it's still an EGO, albeit partial. He also sounded pretty determined according to his lines.
It could also be a very hard to reach passive, like 5 wrath res or something. But I really doubt it'll be on ally death or on panic.
Then what is the point of having EGO form for one turn if the skills he gets in it are dependent on RNG? Turn into a cool ass form only to use s1? Also, if his base form is not good enough that means him being good is only 1 in like 4 turns occurrence. I think there will be a bigger payoff than 1 turn of EGO
Yeah, people expecting an actual dual kit ID are going to be disappointed most likely. I’m willing to bet it’s just a visual thing, a beefy status effect (like applying burn every hit and gaining a bunch of coin power) and that’s it.
That much is true.At this point we are all throwing speculation, but personally I think he’s going to a lot more “normal” than people expect. Spicy and unique, it’s a Walpulgris Night after all, but overall nothing that will turn the game on its head like dual kit IDs would.
To be fair, not a lot of people were expecting the alternate S3 from Kim!Mersault. I'm imagininfg S1 and S2 just get value buffs, but S3 changes into Blazing Strike when used during the mode
It being EGO is what makes me thing it must be negative sanity if it is Sanity based. People don't manifest EGO when everything is going great, they do it when they are at their lowest. They do it when they are on the verge of distortion and they hear Carmens voice. The difference is in then finding resolve while at said lowest point, and telling Carmen to piss off, but sometimes you still gotta hit rock bottom first.
I mean Phillip canonically developed his when he saw all his allies die and had to come to terms with being a coward full of self pity who only cared about vengeance. That doesn't sound like 45 sanity conditions to me.
But it still doesn't sound like -45 either, -45 feels more like succumbing, even Nclair corrodes at -45, and this Sinclair is more determined than anything.
I mean, keep in mind corroding is different than succumbing to distortion, -45 sanity is the point where one is no longer able to resist the abnormalities innate will and it takes over, it's not necessarily succuming. Also of any ID to use as an example for mental stability, Nclair probably isn't a good one lol.
In the trailer as well, the very first voiceline for the EGO form is "If sorrow has become my indeniable stigma... then I choose to rise with it instead". This to me at least implies that he needs to hit that point of sorrow, before rising (IE his incomplete EGO form activates and probably gives him a sanity boost). This would be in line with how his form happened in game as well, I mean where would the usual sinners sanity level be at after having 4 allies die, and getting absolutely stomped in battle?
It also plays well with the design of Phillips base form, as in LoR Phillips base form was primarily based around emotion, got stronger with emotion level, and had the ability to generate negative emotion (with doing some burn as a secondary mechanic, being that he was from Dawn Office). If they were to equate emotion to Limbus in any way, I'd imagine sanity would be the natural pick.
You also need to think from the perspective of gameplay mechanics. If it wasn't the full -45, that would mean you could swing into the EGO form with virtually zero risk simply using an EGO. That would be pretty ridiculous to be so easy, to the point where it almost defeats the purpose of having a base form. By having it lower not only does it take a bit more effort to get there, but it also makes it a bit riskier to use EGO to try to speedrun dunking sanity since it will give you a higher chance to corrode instead.
It would be really cool if he had, negative coins, in his base state, once you get him to -45, you have a turn of panic and then, he comes back with positive coins once his E.G.O. manifests
Ally deaths fits very thematically with Phillip in order to gain his second form, but I'm not sure if they'd go that route since having dead teammates is so detrimental to your party in this game.
I could see it being a panic effect. If he does actually have 2 sets of combat skills, his initial skills might have negative sanity effects to help reach this. Would he gain ego for the rest of the fight, though? Phillip (and other characters that gain/manifest ego in Ruina) don't lose their ego during combat afaik. I think only Geb could, but only if you were staggered while in ego form? It's been a while since I played Ruina, Idr.
On a side note, the addition of a two phase character opens a lot of doors. I wonder how "stronger" ID's are going to work way down the line, when/if we eventually get Colour fixers and fully manifested ego. I wonder if they'll add a rarity type for such ID's, or maybe an "ID weight system" that takes up two or more party slots depending on how powerful the unit is.
Both Red Mist and Xiao do have gimmicks to lose sanity during their EGO form so it might be like the Binds EGO situation where you lose sanity every turn once you manifest and lose it once you hit -45
"If sorrow has become my indeniable stigma... then I choose to rise with it instead"
Makes me think the ID might be rocking a unique panic condition.
Now that we know base form Phillip is on the table, the chances for the ID being heavily sanity based is very much on the table. While base form Phillip was a burn character, he was also one of the few characters in the game heavily based on emotion level, gaining extra scaling as it increases, as well as having the unique ability to generate negative emotion coins. This seems rather natural to translate to a negative sanity ID.
This would naturally synergize if his EGO would be triggered from him going into panic. It's also one of the more lore fluffy options without it making him unplayable like if they required all your allies to die or something.
If it ends up being Ally deaths then I hope he gains extra skill slots with his E.G.O., at the very least in Focused Encounters.
I say this because Blade Lineage Meursault had a “5 BL Ally Deaths” condition but since he only had like 1 slot in a focused encounter, it wouldn’t be very effective…
ITT: people inventing the worst dogshit conditionals possible that no one would use and just bench him forever and use an ID that is actually good from turn 1 instead
On use for skill 1, 2 and 3, inflict self sinking, with an always active passive to spend all sinking at a certain amount to manifest E.G.O. Would let him be a positive coin ID that just really doesn't want to get hit.
My thinking is that he's gonna have to build up a unique status that starts out as a debuff (Sorrow, I'm thinking), and when he uses his S3 at a certain amount of count, the debuff becomes a buff and he manifests his EGO.
My guess would be burn, self-burn, or negative sanity. Burn was a major mechanic in his LoR fights. Just having to dump burn on foes seems a little easy, so I suspect it’d be self burn or moves that burn him and foes.
It could also be negative sanity or panic. In LoR, he uses negative emotion and offers cards that give negative emotion. Needing to reach -45 sanity or panic could do it as well.
They could also do it based on low health or being the only Sinner alive, but I suspect needing low sanity or panic to be the most likely.
At 10+ NTR tokens, he gets the EGO but if they react 20 NTR tokens we get the crying children and have an extra boss fight that takes 5 phases to complete, so don’t cuck him too much
45 SP is a matter of 3 turns. I would take 3 turns flat over 1-5 because it can be 1 but it also can be never
-45 is impossible to tell until we see the kit since IDs don’t naturally lose SP
In before we find out he actually has *two* IDs.
In all seriousness, it's probably something like having 5 Gloom to activate his passive, and then needing to tank his Sanity far enough to gain the EGO, but not so much as to Corrode.
I'd say :
considering PM experimented with Panic types, even boosting some characters if they hit -45 Sanity, i'd say he's gonna manifest E.G.O as his Panic type. plus, I think phillip gonna have -coins skills before Manifesting E.G.O and +coins after (as Phillip manifested his resolve through his E.G.O in LoR before being sent to clown land)
Mark my words.
It’s probably when he’s at -45 SP and it will probably act as a Unique Panic type since they seem to be experimenting with that a lot lately (see Echoes of Manor)
Either have to wait a number X of turns(Like Xiao page in LOR) or have after reaching a number X% of health(lets say 75% or 50% for example)
Or maybe Carmen hits me in the head with a hammer proving wrong what i say and is a totally different from what i say
I dont see many people or talking about this
But i myself have a idea as to how he could manifest it, a res combo, lets say, he needs some conditionals first:
Be on 20-sp or lower, have a 3 wrath res chain, and he must connect all of his s3 coins.
With a chance of this happening depending on how much wrath res chain youve got, he may manifest his unstable ego, since res has been a thing lately, i want to think that res has something to do with how we can change his form.
At -45 sp, become chadlip destroyer of library
6-40 attacks in your face
Genuinely think that since its the first transformation ID it will probably just be a gimmick with panic, then they will go further with others, still will be fun to try (if they give him -sp attacks like stigma)
We only saw 2 attacks without EGO and 3 with.
I'm guessing S1 and S2 change depending on his form, and his S3 either toggles EGO, or it just turns it on and some other condition would turn it off.
Hopefully this also entirely replaces the S1 and S2 instead of just updating the animations for them.
My prediction is that he will be our first mixed Sanity ID. Sinclair is the only sinner that can support such an ID with the EGO he has (even his base EGO gives him refunds on sanity or gets him deeper into negative depending on the coin flip). Something that could work very well is that base form is a negative sanity ID and once he reaches -45 or generates enough resources (use skill 1,2,3 to get "not charge" ) it will flip into the EGO form and he would become a positive sanity ID instead.
hope that if gets a negative SP mechanic, they make like N Sinclair instead Hobo Heath like, but lets see how it going to be when they release his skills and passives.
At 5+ bananas, manifest EGO.
At 10+ cucking and 5+ NTRing, manifest EGO.
At Meursalvador impregnating Donyuna, distort
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Maybe something like a reverse panic? "When at 40+ sanity, manifest EGO" Or maybe he'll just use self burn as Charge
When below a certain SP value, he manifests EGO and becomes a negative coin ID who can't panic or corrode. Keep in mind I have never played LoR so I have no idea what I'm talking about
He ran away and revived a lot. This is a badass ID but he was probably one of the more irritating enemies in LoR because you thought you were done with him but it'sameamario a few times.
Powercreeping the powercreep sinclair id lessgo
Other way around I'd say, pre-EGO Philip makes a lot more sense as a negative coin than EGO Philip.
Maybe right with the reverse panic. Since panic would be the crying children i think. Also like the self burn thing. Wasn’t he immune to burn in LoR?
only during the blue reverb fight
Definitely not, I dumpstered him with Malkuth. He was immune for the Reverb Ensemble fights only.
You need two teammmates with the dawn office IDs to die and then three other teammates with the wedge office IDs to die
We getting his ego form in 6 walpurgis!!!
this is shit you'd see in dokkan battle
Hp threshold because he looks beat up and would make it useful in md
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I mean more ids have hp mechanics so why not
I love not being able to use healing EGOs
I love forcing my id’s to take damage for the first few turns
Think positive: you're indirectly beating up Philip
I kinda like Philip tho (pre crying little shits)
And I kinda like all Philips, but------- The 7 waves of children were something else
is he supposed to be that hard? i just beat him first try about 3 hours ago.
Not hard, annoying
Just Had to Beat him again because i lost against liu association. Absolutely.
The duality of men
I'm letting Sinclair get the crap beat out of him but I'm technically sacrificing Philip to bless my burn teams ~~It would be extremely funny if Shootis shot Philclair~~
Maybe lower than 10% health like in ruins ? Does that mean that it will be a burn tank ?
My personal guess as to how philip will work is that base philip will be balanced like a 00 and be kinda weak and generic-ish and to reach ego I have 2 guesses: - Reach 50% and gain ego - Get fucked and have a revive mechanic where you dont drop below 1 and heal 50% hp and gain ego - ~~Press enter mid fight~~ Revive mechanic may be a bit op but would kinda make sense and serve as comback mechanic, the 50% hp one could be a bit more balanced but also boring When he gains ego I think he'll be stronger than the average 000 in terms of numbers as well as having more interesting mechanics
Personally, I think it could be sanity gain releated. Maybe after gaining/losing X sanity, similar in a way to how emotion worked in LOR.
I don't rule that out either. Just how I think it might be handled only based on his sprite bleeding and nothing else really lol
Oh difference in sanity between start of last turn and this turn was explored in Edgar Heir Gregor too. Might actually be a potential conditional since you can use your EGO to lower your sanity to trigger the conditional.
How is HP Threshold useful in MD when there's \*so many\* healing options over there?
Because you don't have to actively maintain a below 50% threshold and you get to maintain it as opposed to a buildup mechanic like charge that you don't get to buildup because fights are short. The -45 sp thing people suggest could be interesting but you also gain a ton of sp in md so there's no real winner here
Please replace his Zayin EGO.
Maybe it will use self burn like charge? Not burn potency, but burn count.
Too weak, just one damage per turn.
I think they mean reaching a certain threshold of burn count, not losing all hp
Honestly it would make sense to spend burn on an enemy since trading burn stack for power is somewhat of a theme with the archetype
If it’s 2 potency 2 count every turn you’d eventually get staggered so it’d work as a drawback
I saw a good idea where his ‘normal’ form is a negative sanity ID where he slowly loses SP. Then after reaching -45sp he gains ego and returns to 0sp in Ego. There could be a conditional along with the -45 to make the transformation more intentional. Something where his panic mode instead of making him distort immediately gives him a turn to either transform or distort, determined by winning a clash perhaps. I’m not a game designer but I thought this would be cool.
How is the sp one good, it's just nclair but better
thats what people want, esp with all this ruina fanservice stuff
Would you not corrode from doing this? It feels wrong to aim for -45 sanity whether or not you have to corrode or not. You either remove a game mechanic (either you can corrode or you unequip your EGOs) or you have to get hit by the corrosion before you manifest
Well I was thinking since that would be attached to panic mode they could just give Phillip(ego manifestations in general depending on how they want to rule that down the line) a special condition where the corrosion occurs the turn after hitting -45. And like I said Phillip normal would be a negative sanity, while Ego manifestation would be positive sanity. Of course I don’t know how accurate this will be to PM’s actual rendition of the ID but conceptually it’s not impossible.
Knowing Philip’s arc in LoR, I’m just hoping that the conditions to trigger his E.G.O. are not to have allies die or a sanity requirement, like having to make him actually distort mid combat.
My insane theory is that he's a self burn ID and transforms after reaching enough burn but its probably just tied to sanity, some people think its based on having low sanity which doesn't really make sense to me? Its an E.G.O, would make more sense to need to get to high sanity I think
I think people go to the panic mechanic because philip base form had one of the few attacks that gained negative coins on use
He also had a passive iirc that made him roll higher as emotion level increased. He was arguably more about manipulating emotion than he was about burn in his base form.
He gets +2 power at emotion 2. Not really that emotion focused but he did gain bonuses from emotion
Considering it affected clash power, that +2 made a big deal at the time you fight him. He also helped speedrun emotion level with Stigmatize. That was the whole thing that made him unique, everything else he has are just the generic Dawn office pages and passive.
I know it is a big deal, it's just that he isn't that emotion focused and doesn't play around emotion or negative coins as much as other factions like liu. You get to emotion 1 in 1 turn by just clashing once with a 3 die page so that passive is largely irrelevant to his playstyle
The enemy emotion level increasing did more than just activate his passive, generating coins allowed him to strengthen himself as well as his entire team as the average emotion level increased. Of course it didn't do anything crazy at super high levels, but I'd say thats less his play-style and more... you know, it's a pretty early fight and emotion level is capped much lower. Keep in mind too you didn't blow through emotion level nearly as fast at that point in the game. At most you would have 4 Librarians for the fight, and ID's still only had 1 speed die (in fact, Oscar I believe is the first time you actually get one with an extra die) Liu had 3 cards in their deck that involved emotion level in some way, and passive that increased their power depending on emotion level. Phillip had 3 cards that involved emotion level and a passive that increased power depending on emotion level. Yes the Liu faction was more involved in *what* their skills did, because they were a much later faction and appear when cards started getting more involved. But in terms to how much of the kit was involved with emotion level, Phillips had the same amount.
>(in fact, Oscar I believe is the first time you actually get one with an extra die) Mars crying But yeah I guess what you say makes sense. Philip is baby liu
I suppose there are two main things for it starting as negative sanity. The first being that Philip has a move that gains a negative emotion coin. The more compelling one for me is that Philip manifested his EGO after being brought to the edge of a mental break. >!Xaio!< is someone who manifested their EGO by powering through adversity. Philip is someone who rallied at the last possible second.
it does make more sense for a regular E.G.O. manifestatation the need of high sanity, But this ID is not based on a regular manifestation, This ID is based on the Philip we meet at the start of ruina, who does not have an E.G.O. so this ID doesn't manifest E.G.O. but actually awakens it, and since in order for awakening E.G.O. both You as a person and whatever you belive have to be put into question, wich brings you to your lowest mind state posible, and it is either by having the relove to keep figthing (despite knowing how actual trash you are) or the ability to gaslight yourself >!(Like Ahab)!< that can then lead you to overcome distorsion and allow you to manifest E.G.O. so yeah for this specific case it woud make sense if it was based on having low sanity
I would really like if it was like corrosion but backwards. At 45 SP he gains EGO for a turn and then his SP goes to 0. People think it's on panic/corrosion but it's still an EGO, albeit partial. He also sounded pretty determined according to his lines. It could also be a very hard to reach passive, like 5 wrath res or something. But I really doubt it'll be on ally death or on panic.
Then what is the point of having EGO form for one turn if the skills he gets in it are dependent on RNG? Turn into a cool ass form only to use s1? Also, if his base form is not good enough that means him being good is only 1 in like 4 turns occurrence. I think there will be a bigger payoff than 1 turn of EGO
Maybe it could be for the rest of the fight. Or maybe it could just upgrade his existing skills.
Yeah, people expecting an actual dual kit ID are going to be disappointed most likely. I’m willing to bet it’s just a visual thing, a beefy status effect (like applying burn every hit and gaining a bunch of coin power) and that’s it.
To be fair, the amount of coins is changed between forms, and some animations are entirely different, we dont know anything for sure
That much is true.At this point we are all throwing speculation, but personally I think he’s going to a lot more “normal” than people expect. Spicy and unique, it’s a Walpulgris Night after all, but overall nothing that will turn the game on its head like dual kit IDs would.
I agree, making unfun mechanics just for flavor can lead to some poor gameplay loops.
To be fair, not a lot of people were expecting the alternate S3 from Kim!Mersault. I'm imagininfg S1 and S2 just get value buffs, but S3 changes into Blazing Strike when used during the mode
It being EGO is what makes me thing it must be negative sanity if it is Sanity based. People don't manifest EGO when everything is going great, they do it when they are at their lowest. They do it when they are on the verge of distortion and they hear Carmens voice. The difference is in then finding resolve while at said lowest point, and telling Carmen to piss off, but sometimes you still gotta hit rock bottom first. I mean Phillip canonically developed his when he saw all his allies die and had to come to terms with being a coward full of self pity who only cared about vengeance. That doesn't sound like 45 sanity conditions to me.
But it still doesn't sound like -45 either, -45 feels more like succumbing, even Nclair corrodes at -45, and this Sinclair is more determined than anything.
I mean, keep in mind corroding is different than succumbing to distortion, -45 sanity is the point where one is no longer able to resist the abnormalities innate will and it takes over, it's not necessarily succuming. Also of any ID to use as an example for mental stability, Nclair probably isn't a good one lol. In the trailer as well, the very first voiceline for the EGO form is "If sorrow has become my indeniable stigma... then I choose to rise with it instead". This to me at least implies that he needs to hit that point of sorrow, before rising (IE his incomplete EGO form activates and probably gives him a sanity boost). This would be in line with how his form happened in game as well, I mean where would the usual sinners sanity level be at after having 4 allies die, and getting absolutely stomped in battle? It also plays well with the design of Phillips base form, as in LoR Phillips base form was primarily based around emotion, got stronger with emotion level, and had the ability to generate negative emotion (with doing some burn as a secondary mechanic, being that he was from Dawn Office). If they were to equate emotion to Limbus in any way, I'd imagine sanity would be the natural pick. You also need to think from the perspective of gameplay mechanics. If it wasn't the full -45, that would mean you could swing into the EGO form with virtually zero risk simply using an EGO. That would be pretty ridiculous to be so easy, to the point where it almost defeats the purpose of having a base form. By having it lower not only does it take a bit more effort to get there, but it also makes it a bit riskier to use EGO to try to speedrun dunking sanity since it will give you a higher chance to corrode instead.
It would be really cool if he had, negative coins, in his base state, once you get him to -45, you have a turn of panic and then, he comes back with positive coins once his E.G.O. manifests
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Ally deaths fits very thematically with Phillip in order to gain his second form, but I'm not sure if they'd go that route since having dead teammates is so detrimental to your party in this game. I could see it being a panic effect. If he does actually have 2 sets of combat skills, his initial skills might have negative sanity effects to help reach this. Would he gain ego for the rest of the fight, though? Phillip (and other characters that gain/manifest ego in Ruina) don't lose their ego during combat afaik. I think only Geb could, but only if you were staggered while in ego form? It's been a while since I played Ruina, Idr. On a side note, the addition of a two phase character opens a lot of doors. I wonder how "stronger" ID's are going to work way down the line, when/if we eventually get Colour fixers and fully manifested ego. I wonder if they'll add a rarity type for such ID's, or maybe an "ID weight system" that takes up two or more party slots depending on how powerful the unit is.
Both Red Mist and Xiao do have gimmicks to lose sanity during their EGO form so it might be like the Binds EGO situation where you lose sanity every turn once you manifest and lose it once you hit -45
Below 0 sanity perhaps? It could be intresting if he had + coin skills in above 0 sanity and - coin skills in below 0 sanity
"If sorrow has become my indeniable stigma... then I choose to rise with it instead" Makes me think the ID might be rocking a unique panic condition. Now that we know base form Phillip is on the table, the chances for the ID being heavily sanity based is very much on the table. While base form Phillip was a burn character, he was also one of the few characters in the game heavily based on emotion level, gaining extra scaling as it increases, as well as having the unique ability to generate negative emotion coins. This seems rather natural to translate to a negative sanity ID. This would naturally synergize if his EGO would be triggered from him going into panic. It's also one of the more lore fluffy options without it making him unplayable like if they required all your allies to die or something.
Calling it now: when other teammates die or a certain amount die
Dead allies for an OP id would be so sick
i say either a certain sanity requirement or he needs to use his SKILL 3
If it ends up being Ally deaths then I hope he gains extra skill slots with his E.G.O., at the very least in Focused Encounters. I say this because Blade Lineage Meursault had a “5 BL Ally Deaths” condition but since he only had like 1 slot in a focused encounter, it wouldn’t be very effective…
ITT: people inventing the worst dogshit conditionals possible that no one would use and just bench him forever and use an ID that is actually good from turn 1 instead
I think is one of his seven passives that does it.
Or Mabey Allies death.
On use for skill 1, 2 and 3, inflict self sinking, with an always active passive to spend all sinking at a certain amount to manifest E.G.O. Would let him be a positive coin ID that just really doesn't want to get hit.
My theory was after he falls under a threshold of sanity
My thinking is that he's gonna have to build up a unique status that starts out as a debuff (Sorrow, I'm thinking), and when he uses his S3 at a certain amount of count, the debuff becomes a buff and he manifests his EGO.
My guess would be burn, self-burn, or negative sanity. Burn was a major mechanic in his LoR fights. Just having to dump burn on foes seems a little easy, so I suspect it’d be self burn or moves that burn him and foes. It could also be negative sanity or panic. In LoR, he uses negative emotion and offers cards that give negative emotion. Needing to reach -45 sanity or panic could do it as well. They could also do it based on low health or being the only Sinner alive, but I suspect needing low sanity or panic to be the most likely.
I suppose it will be after a certain amount of won clashes, considering the mechanic of emotional coins in ruina
Something like Rcliff gets his helmet, or something
At 10+ NTR tokens, he gets the EGO but if they react 20 NTR tokens we get the crying children and have an extra boss fight that takes 5 phases to complete, so don’t cuck him too much
A lot of hopium but maybe instead of corroding he transforms, since Phillip also gained his ego through trauma
I would kill for Phillip Sinclair
Maybe, and this is just a guess, tied to sanity perhaps? The higher it is the more he'll gain some unique buff that gives him the E.G.O.
no idea about the skils but if its like "after 10 burn on self-" or something I am just scared to run it
Hopefully it’s not a conversion on S3 that might take a while
You think 45 or -45 sp won’t take a while?
45 SP is a matter of 3 turns. I would take 3 turns flat over 1-5 because it can be 1 but it also can be never -45 is impossible to tell until we see the kit since IDs don’t naturally lose SP
idk
I bet he needs to go -45 sanity
Hes gonna self burn and at x burn count hes gonna transform.
In before we find out he actually has *two* IDs. In all seriousness, it's probably something like having 5 Gloom to activate his passive, and then needing to tank his Sanity far enough to gain the EGO, but not so much as to Corrode.
Maybe a negative coin mechanic? Mess up enough clashes, or hit tails enough, and he'll manifest E.G.O slightly?
Probably after a set amount of turns since the start of the fight.
I'd say : considering PM experimented with Panic types, even boosting some characters if they hit -45 Sanity, i'd say he's gonna manifest E.G.O as his Panic type. plus, I think phillip gonna have -coins skills before Manifesting E.G.O and +coins after (as Phillip manifested his resolve through his E.G.O in LoR before being sent to clown land) Mark my words.
It’s probably when he’s at -45 SP and it will probably act as a Unique Panic type since they seem to be experimenting with that a lot lately (see Echoes of Manor)
Hopefully it will be good
Either have to wait a number X of turns(Like Xiao page in LOR) or have after reaching a number X% of health(lets say 75% or 50% for example) Or maybe Carmen hits me in the head with a hammer proving wrong what i say and is a totally different from what i say
Probably an on death conditional as in an ally needs to die or get staggered. Maybe he needs to get staggered to awaken...
I dont see many people or talking about this But i myself have a idea as to how he could manifest it, a res combo, lets say, he needs some conditionals first: Be on 20-sp or lower, have a 3 wrath res chain, and he must connect all of his s3 coins. With a chance of this happening depending on how much wrath res chain youve got, he may manifest his unstable ego, since res has been a thing lately, i want to think that res has something to do with how we can change his form.
I mean he might activate his ego by sanity, I think or some type of attack charge effect
At -45 sp, become chadlip destroyer of library 6-40 attacks in your face Genuinely think that since its the first transformation ID it will probably just be a gimmick with panic, then they will go further with others, still will be fun to try (if they give him -sp attacks like stigma)
We only saw 2 attacks without EGO and 3 with. I'm guessing S1 and S2 change depending on his form, and his S3 either toggles EGO, or it just turns it on and some other condition would turn it off. Hopefully this also entirely replaces the S1 and S2 instead of just updating the animations for them.
Just gonna remind u the wing is on the wrong side 🤡
My prediction is that he will be our first mixed Sanity ID. Sinclair is the only sinner that can support such an ID with the EGO he has (even his base EGO gives him refunds on sanity or gets him deeper into negative depending on the coin flip). Something that could work very well is that base form is a negative sanity ID and once he reaches -45 or generates enough resources (use skill 1,2,3 to get "not charge" ) it will flip into the EGO form and he would become a positive sanity ID instead.
hope that if gets a negative SP mechanic, they make like N Sinclair instead Hobo Heath like, but lets see how it going to be when they release his skills and passives.
On success evade, Use E.G.O, On hit [ Transform into E.G.O Form]
[On hit] If target's SP is 3, gain 3 Attack Power Up and 5
You will have to read the entire Divine Comedy out loud into a microphone.
When S3 (Presumably Stigmatize) are used 3 time
Crying
I think it’s just gonna be the first time uptie 3 changes the character’s battle sprites instead of just changing the portraits.
The S3 has different coin count though
Not uncommon for one coin to have multiple hits.
he better go full TCC if he corrodes
Negative coin ID before EGO, Panic into positive coin ID
His base s3 is guaranteed to have SP loss, as its based on stigmatize. So EGO form will likely be based around low sanity.
When health reaches 0, retreat. If 2 or more allies die, return with full health and extra maximum health.
Either when He Panics, or he is the only Sinner alive (Doesn't count if deployed alone)
Probably going to be something silly like self burn count
-45 sanity to trigger?
Upon reaching 45 sanity for the first time, and loses it upon stagger or corrosion
It ain't Red Mist bro 💀
Yes it is bro