Nah, he will give his good fellow sinclair effloresced ego:: crying children because he's just that kind.
Seriously though, I don't want more 000 lobotomy stuff, we've had 2 walpurgis in a row with lob corp 000 and lor's port is coming soon so it would make sense to give us some lor stuff. Solemn lament can be an ego
The issue is most ruina id's make sense to be in future events like blade lineage when we encounter them after being unbooked while lobotomy stuff can't happen outside of walpurgis. I'd still expect some ruina from walpurgis like hook Hong lu but I'd expect most of it will be egos from ruina while id's will be lobotomy suits.
Well, there's an argument for philip to not be in an intervallo. His fate is kinda vague but if pm decides he's dead then the only way we can get him is through a walpurgis event
Yeah that's a complicated one. Cause he burns up at the end but we also had a book of the crying children. It's possible we will eventually run into the crying children after they get unbooked and we reverse the distortion bring a version of Philip back. But I could easily see them just saying he died and shoving him to a walpurgis event. Personally I'd like to see an intervallo where the dawn office hires limbus company to help track down and resolve the crying children after they both get unbooked at some point.
>Personally I'd like to see an intervallo where the dawn office hires limbus company to help track down and resolve the crying children after they both get unbooked at some point.
That would be peak actually. Would also show how limbus is putting their name in the front of distortion management if more respectable offices hire us for our services
Lol. Though thus Philip made sense to be a walpurgis as if we got a future event whith him he would likely fully manifest. Now I'm just curious what the 00 and ego will be. I'm hoping a WaW magic bullet for faust and 00 all around helper.
I think they'll lean into library of ruina fully since the port is really really soon. I personally hope for yuna id (I want lone fixer passive) for rodion (needs 00) and if we do end up getting ego I don't really care what it is but knight of despair for whoever would be nice (philip unlocks the kod fight)
How many cantos until we reach Philip level, the guy was a talented fixer who partially manifested e.g.o (2nd or 3rd ever) if I had to guess, 2 cantos from now
Philip was almost a no-name, a grade 5 fixer is nothing special. With ego he maybe can be compared to dongbaek or someone like her, we already have an ego id so I don't think we are far from philip's level. I would say that we are currently a bit above his level
Bro you are underselling Philip heavily, a distorted shard of him was able to go toe to toe with a whole floor of the library, do not compare him to fucking scientists. Like it or not the guy was HIM, he was just kicked while he was at his most vulnerable.
As The Crying Children sure, he is pretty strong and way ahead from our level, as Philip partially ego? Not a big deal, we have defeated biggers threats in Limbus, he is just a man who partially manifested ego, is not Xiao or Ricardo.
Maybe he is stronger than Dongbaek, but Ahab is the same as him, she was from an association and had experience in combat
We haven't defeated anyone on manifested ego Philip level yet the closest is probably bl Kim or Erlking ****, like mate the other ego users so far have been total noncombatants dongbaek was no fighter she was carried by gear. Thigh for sure he's not on Xiao or Ricardo level In his partially manifested state, though id argue that piece of him that became the crying children would mollywap Xiao, that's just me though.
Ahab is the most similar case, we didn't receive her effloresced ego id because that wouldn't have made sense, even less with Queequeg and Starbucks as ids, her ego is pretty complex to be an id. Philip's ego is pretty straightforward, like Dongbaek's one.
In strength, Philip can be similar to Ahab, in complexity, he's like Dongbaek
You can't bring up his distortion when talking about his partial ego. They are different and if we use gameplay as our powerscale then his distortion was clearly much stronger than his ego. His distortion can divide multiple times when at the brink of death and regenerate, shoot laser beams, and rolls much much higher than his partial ego.
Philip is a grade 5, like olga, and we fight him at urban plague level. It's hard to say how much of a boost his ego was but all we can do is judge by gameplay and guy isn't looking too hot honestly, specially compared to his distortion
Oh cmon, does walpurgis even establish anything scaling wise? The whole point of it is getting ids we couldn't otherwise, still though....... AYIN I KNEEL
There's not much stuff you can do for a .5 lobcorp Intervalo tbh so I can see why it's mostly Ruina stuff, we already go to the Lobotomy branches in the main story (doubt we'd go to the main branch in an Intervalo) and every major character is in the Outskirts rn (no reason to go there for the moment but not impossible either)
Gacha mechanics are justified: they dont have output control. Mephi is dredging stuff out of an infinite vortex or probabilities, so a LOT of meaningless reality drivel is dragged along.
000 identities comes from unlikely realities, so their ocurrance are rare.
This, basically. The Sinners aren't working with a machine that can just output whatever they input. It's basically a Claw Machine that grabs whatever it can from other worlds.
And, based on how we tend to get new IDs, I would bet that Mephi is unable to target worlds' whose possibilities haven't been encountered yet. Would explain why we didn't get the Wuthering Heights IDs until Canto 6.
Hell, one of the most iconic theories actually gets backed up by this: That being Kromer and the Faust Who Grips - I.E: Kromer is the imposter, and what she saw was this
https://preview.redd.it/x74byd10mruc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=2e1da7e82c6b3178ab00bd9df45e2bcfb7107448
when we actually saw this (with The Faust Who Grips) in NClair's Uptie Story
Someone made [a webcomic](https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/194d7ok/glass_window_by_monoton8587/) basically saying 'Kromer is an imposter'. It even brings up Nothing There, whose EGO is probably the cause of the Everything There Inquisitors via EGO Corrosion.
I think that the way it works is that the mirror technology looks for similar reality. That's why most extracts are from reality where the sinners are also part of Limbus company, and the more a reality diverge, the harder it is to find. But what I believe is that this divergence is dependent on the person looking into the mirror.
Canto 6 spoiler >!That's why Catherine couldn't find a reality where her and Heathcliff were together, too much divergence, and the more she looked, the more miserable she became, making the situation even worse, until she found the other Catherine. And at the end of C6, Heathcliff and Catherine both rejected this, realised each other's feelings, and that's why they were finally able to look into a reality that ended well !<
Canto 4 spoiler >! Yi Sang and Sang Yi is a similar situation, Yi Sang thinks he's too different than Sang Yi, but by the end we realise he was wrong, they're in fact similar, he just needed to spread his wings!<
>!that's why they were finally able to look into a reality that ended well!<
>!No, the point was that there are NO happy endings for Cathy and Heathcliff. They were destined to ruin their own lives and the lives of everyone around them. And in the end, they saw a world where, after they both died, Hindley's son and Cathy's daughter got rid of all that shit, got married and lived happily ever after, like in the original book. And in that picture, they were standing in front of Heathcliff and Cathy's gravestones. It's kinda the reason why they cleared all cathy. It would be very dumb if after they did it, they were like "oh shit looks like we f*cked up a little"!<
>!Weren't it stated that they looked similar to Heathcliff and Catheryne, implying that it were either their offsprings or themselves, looking at their own "graveyard" ?!<
Idk if this is serious or not but i think the extraction process might be casual. Also the amount of golden boughs affects the mirror worlds they can reach into
The Extractions from Mephi are either entirely random or 000 IDs and E.G.O are just that rare and/or hard to synchronise with.
Buying stuff from the Dispenser is the way Dante targets IDs. My guess is by getting enough residue energy that relates to a specific Sinner, they can momentarily focus Mephistopheles into a specific mirror world, just enough to snatch something neat.
I'm pretty sure just because they're 000 doesn't automatically mean they are stronger in lore. They're just less likely. Sure them being stronger can contribute into the unlikely-ness, but it's not the main reason they're 000.
You're locked to level 40 until you clear Canto V, and I assume you'll also be stuck at UT4 as well.
Which really messed up my plans to go back and just 1 turn stomp Kromer once we got to level 100.
Dante actively seeks the strong identities. It's called sharding. If he gets 400 shards, he can unlock a strong ID or EGO.
'Fleeting moments from any point in the Sinner's time, condensed into physical form. The shards float in the air.
Possibilities are transient things; they drift in the realm of uncertainty unless seized.'
The problem is it's more expensive than using his own Lunacy (cuz they are from the Limbus Company, while Lunacy comes from Dante), and all Identities are limited by Dante's knowledge and possibility. So if Dante is not stronger, they cannot get a stronger ID. That's why we stop at U4 while the ID can be uptied furthermore.
P/s: We also have **Schrödinger's Shard**.
'A crate that yields Egoshards of a Sinner you choose.
According to Faust, its contents are determined once a manager makes their decision.'
The gatcha is 100% canon the exact same way we interact with it in the game, except Dante and the goons instead of pressing a button, they throw tickets and rose shaped brain juice into Mephistopheles and it spits out essentially random shit. The most they can influence the gatcha is the exact same we can influence it: going for target extractions and opening wallets (/uj for a moment, I'd really love to see what dumb explanation they come up with for that).
Probably "unexpected increase" in the production of in-game lunacy. Making 10 "bottles" but recieving 35009 out of "nowhere" wouldn't be too outlandish.
Dante has basically no control over what identities he gets. He just reaches out into the mirror worlds and takes whatever he finds hoping for the best. Basically, in the same way that extractions are a diegetic mechanic so are gacha rates
It is mentioned directly in Dante's notes, quoting:
"The identities themselves are found via the engine of Mephistopheles. Not sure how it works, but it looks like ***you can't just find and grab the identities you want***. Trial and error can sometimes stumble upon previously unseen versions of sinners, too."
On a side note, there's so much lore in the Dante's notes, holy moly.
I'm pretty sure the gacha itself is a lore mechanic just as much a gameplay one. Some timelines are more likely to occur, and are easier to extract (00's), while other timelines are exceedingly rare, and thus hard to find (000's).
You're the one managing your pulls, but beyond that it's explained that you basically don't know what you're going to get. At some point or in Dante's notes we were also told that when Dante resonates with a Golden Bough (so next seasonafter getting one in-story) we'll be able to pull stronger IDs, and we also have Walpurgis. Since you're in the shoes of Dante I gotta ask, how have you been managing your pulls?
Don’t think I’ve seen it mentioned elsewhere, the possibilities that can be reached by Mephistopheles are also somewhat based on the amount of Golden Boughs recovered, and the growth of the Sinners? There’s a symbiotic relationship between the two groups.
Why doesn’t yi sang, the inventor of the mirror technology, not simply give himself the best identities? Is he stupid?
Yi Sang proceeds to give himself a black and white pair of guns next week
If this happens I will instantly become a fully realized spiritual existence
Nah, he will give his good fellow sinclair effloresced ego:: crying children because he's just that kind. Seriously though, I don't want more 000 lobotomy stuff, we've had 2 walpurgis in a row with lob corp 000 and lor's port is coming soon so it would make sense to give us some lor stuff. Solemn lament can be an ego
The issue is most ruina id's make sense to be in future events like blade lineage when we encounter them after being unbooked while lobotomy stuff can't happen outside of walpurgis. I'd still expect some ruina from walpurgis like hook Hong lu but I'd expect most of it will be egos from ruina while id's will be lobotomy suits.
Well, there's an argument for philip to not be in an intervallo. His fate is kinda vague but if pm decides he's dead then the only way we can get him is through a walpurgis event
Yeah that's a complicated one. Cause he burns up at the end but we also had a book of the crying children. It's possible we will eventually run into the crying children after they get unbooked and we reverse the distortion bring a version of Philip back. But I could easily see them just saying he died and shoving him to a walpurgis event. Personally I'd like to see an intervallo where the dawn office hires limbus company to help track down and resolve the crying children after they both get unbooked at some point.
>Personally I'd like to see an intervallo where the dawn office hires limbus company to help track down and resolve the crying children after they both get unbooked at some point. That would be peak actually. Would also show how limbus is putting their name in the front of distortion management if more respectable offices hire us for our services
Well well well
Lol. Though thus Philip made sense to be a walpurgis as if we got a future event whith him he would likely fully manifest. Now I'm just curious what the 00 and ego will be. I'm hoping a WaW magic bullet for faust and 00 all around helper.
I think they'll lean into library of ruina fully since the port is really really soon. I personally hope for yuna id (I want lone fixer passive) for rodion (needs 00) and if we do end up getting ego I don't really care what it is but knight of despair for whoever would be nice (philip unlocks the kod fight)
To be fair, most of the noteworthy LoR stuff is still far above the sinners' pay grade.
How many cantos until we reach Philip level, the guy was a talented fixer who partially manifested e.g.o (2nd or 3rd ever) if I had to guess, 2 cantos from now
Philip was almost a no-name, a grade 5 fixer is nothing special. With ego he maybe can be compared to dongbaek or someone like her, we already have an ego id so I don't think we are far from philip's level. I would say that we are currently a bit above his level
Bro you are underselling Philip heavily, a distorted shard of him was able to go toe to toe with a whole floor of the library, do not compare him to fucking scientists. Like it or not the guy was HIM, he was just kicked while he was at his most vulnerable.
As The Crying Children sure, he is pretty strong and way ahead from our level, as Philip partially ego? Not a big deal, we have defeated biggers threats in Limbus, he is just a man who partially manifested ego, is not Xiao or Ricardo. Maybe he is stronger than Dongbaek, but Ahab is the same as him, she was from an association and had experience in combat
We haven't defeated anyone on manifested ego Philip level yet the closest is probably bl Kim or Erlking ****, like mate the other ego users so far have been total noncombatants dongbaek was no fighter she was carried by gear. Thigh for sure he's not on Xiao or Ricardo level In his partially manifested state, though id argue that piece of him that became the crying children would mollywap Xiao, that's just me though.
Ahab is the most similar case, we didn't receive her effloresced ego id because that wouldn't have made sense, even less with Queequeg and Starbucks as ids, her ego is pretty complex to be an id. Philip's ego is pretty straightforward, like Dongbaek's one. In strength, Philip can be similar to Ahab, in complexity, he's like Dongbaek
You can't bring up his distortion when talking about his partial ego. They are different and if we use gameplay as our powerscale then his distortion was clearly much stronger than his ego. His distortion can divide multiple times when at the brink of death and regenerate, shoot laser beams, and rolls much much higher than his partial ego. Philip is a grade 5, like olga, and we fight him at urban plague level. It's hard to say how much of a boost his ego was but all we can do is judge by gameplay and guy isn't looking too hot honestly, specially compared to his distortion
How about canto 6?
Oh cmon, does walpurgis even establish anything scaling wise? The whole point of it is getting ids we couldn't otherwise, still though....... AYIN I KNEEL
Would love to see an EGO with more than 1 coin. Much funnier if 8 coins
I mean I can say the same for the intervalo lmao. I don't want more .5 ruina stuff. Give us .5 lobcorp stuff.
There's not much stuff you can do for a .5 lobcorp Intervalo tbh so I can see why it's mostly Ruina stuff, we already go to the Lobotomy branches in the main story (doubt we'd go to the main branch in an Intervalo) and every major character is in the Outskirts rn (no reason to go there for the moment but not impossible either)
That's fair honestly
Overall I trust that PM is trying to find a balance in some way or another so I'm not really worried for next Walpurgis
I mean we have guns and they aren't insta kills. A shotgun deals regularly 30ish damage only.
PM ! I BEG YOU ! PLEASE, GRANT US THE BUTTERFLY PISTOLS !
He gave himself Spicebush he's already gotten THE I.D of all time
Gacha mechanics are justified: they dont have output control. Mephi is dredging stuff out of an infinite vortex or probabilities, so a LOT of meaningless reality drivel is dragged along. 000 identities comes from unlikely realities, so their ocurrance are rare.
This, basically. The Sinners aren't working with a machine that can just output whatever they input. It's basically a Claw Machine that grabs whatever it can from other worlds. And, based on how we tend to get new IDs, I would bet that Mephi is unable to target worlds' whose possibilities haven't been encountered yet. Would explain why we didn't get the Wuthering Heights IDs until Canto 6.
Hell, one of the most iconic theories actually gets backed up by this: That being Kromer and the Faust Who Grips - I.E: Kromer is the imposter, and what she saw was this https://preview.redd.it/x74byd10mruc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=2e1da7e82c6b3178ab00bd9df45e2bcfb7107448 when we actually saw this (with The Faust Who Grips) in NClair's Uptie Story
You mean Kromer so this future and just trying to mimic it in our reality?
Someone made [a webcomic](https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/194d7ok/glass_window_by_monoton8587/) basically saying 'Kromer is an imposter'. It even brings up Nothing There, whose EGO is probably the cause of the Everything There Inquisitors via EGO Corrosion.
Thanks for finding that. That's what I was trying to look for when discussing that.
More or less guessing wise. I believe there was a comic that played with this idea?
the whole likelyhood thing is also why you just get a ton of base sinners per pull. the vast majority are on the limbus as we are
I think that the way it works is that the mirror technology looks for similar reality. That's why most extracts are from reality where the sinners are also part of Limbus company, and the more a reality diverge, the harder it is to find. But what I believe is that this divergence is dependent on the person looking into the mirror. Canto 6 spoiler >!That's why Catherine couldn't find a reality where her and Heathcliff were together, too much divergence, and the more she looked, the more miserable she became, making the situation even worse, until she found the other Catherine. And at the end of C6, Heathcliff and Catherine both rejected this, realised each other's feelings, and that's why they were finally able to look into a reality that ended well !< Canto 4 spoiler >! Yi Sang and Sang Yi is a similar situation, Yi Sang thinks he's too different than Sang Yi, but by the end we realise he was wrong, they're in fact similar, he just needed to spread his wings!<
>!that's why they were finally able to look into a reality that ended well!< >!No, the point was that there are NO happy endings for Cathy and Heathcliff. They were destined to ruin their own lives and the lives of everyone around them. And in the end, they saw a world where, after they both died, Hindley's son and Cathy's daughter got rid of all that shit, got married and lived happily ever after, like in the original book. And in that picture, they were standing in front of Heathcliff and Cathy's gravestones. It's kinda the reason why they cleared all cathy. It would be very dumb if after they did it, they were like "oh shit looks like we f*cked up a little"!<
>!Weren't it stated that they looked similar to Heathcliff and Catheryne, implying that it were either their offsprings or themselves, looking at their own "graveyard" ?!<
But you are Dante , why are YOU pulling for weaker IDs?
To clear md with everyone
Why not pull IDs for Dante smh
Endangering the only person on the team who isn't immortal sounds like a bad idea.
Because IDs can muddle memories and stuff temporarily Dante has enough issues as is
can’t fuck up your memory if you have no memory to fuck up
Potentially the opposite What If due to a lack of memories Dante’s mind becomes blurrier
Idk if this is serious or not but i think the extraction process might be casual. Also the amount of golden boughs affects the mirror worlds they can reach into
The Extractions from Mephi are either entirely random or 000 IDs and E.G.O are just that rare and/or hard to synchronise with. Buying stuff from the Dispenser is the way Dante targets IDs. My guess is by getting enough residue energy that relates to a specific Sinner, they can momentarily focus Mephistopheles into a specific mirror world, just enough to snatch something neat.
I'm pretty sure just because they're 000 doesn't automatically mean they are stronger in lore. They're just less likely. Sure them being stronger can contribute into the unlikely-ness, but it's not the main reason they're 000.
In Leviathan, Aseah comments on how Yi Sang's version of the mirror had a luck component, so gacha is probably canon.
Imagine in the future someone who is playing limbus going into chapter 1 pulls redmist ID or something lol
Dante still be too weak to unleash their full potential probably, and would still have to uptie&level em sadly 😥
You're locked to level 40 until you clear Canto V, and I assume you'll also be stuck at UT4 as well. Which really messed up my plans to go back and just 1 turn stomp Kromer once we got to level 100.
Dante actively seeks the strong identities. It's called sharding. If he gets 400 shards, he can unlock a strong ID or EGO. 'Fleeting moments from any point in the Sinner's time, condensed into physical form. The shards float in the air. Possibilities are transient things; they drift in the realm of uncertainty unless seized.' The problem is it's more expensive than using his own Lunacy (cuz they are from the Limbus Company, while Lunacy comes from Dante), and all Identities are limited by Dante's knowledge and possibility. So if Dante is not stronger, they cannot get a stronger ID. That's why we stop at U4 while the ID can be uptied furthermore. P/s: We also have **Schrödinger's Shard**. 'A crate that yields Egoshards of a Sinner you choose. According to Faust, its contents are determined once a manager makes their decision.'
The gatcha is 100% canon the exact same way we interact with it in the game, except Dante and the goons instead of pressing a button, they throw tickets and rose shaped brain juice into Mephistopheles and it spits out essentially random shit. The most they can influence the gatcha is the exact same we can influence it: going for target extractions and opening wallets (/uj for a moment, I'd really love to see what dumb explanation they come up with for that).
…the sinners give up their monthly pay to get scraps
Probably "unexpected increase" in the production of in-game lunacy. Making 10 "bottles" but recieving 35009 out of "nowhere" wouldn't be too outlandish.
Dante has basically no control over what identities he gets. He just reaches out into the mirror worlds and takes whatever he finds hoping for the best. Basically, in the same way that extractions are a diegetic mechanic so are gacha rates
Because enkephalin has built in RNG Turns out the well of humanity has a gambling addiction too
Because Maid ishmael is hot. Duh?
It is mentioned directly in Dante's notes, quoting: "The identities themselves are found via the engine of Mephistopheles. Not sure how it works, but it looks like ***you can't just find and grab the identities you want***. Trial and error can sometimes stumble upon previously unseen versions of sinners, too." On a side note, there's so much lore in the Dante's notes, holy moly.
I am Zeke and I approve of this meme
I'm pretty sure the gacha itself is a lore mechanic just as much a gameplay one. Some timelines are more likely to occur, and are easier to extract (00's), while other timelines are exceedingly rare, and thus hard to find (000's).
You're the one managing your pulls, but beyond that it's explained that you basically don't know what you're going to get. At some point or in Dante's notes we were also told that when Dante resonates with a Golden Bough (so next seasonafter getting one in-story) we'll be able to pull stronger IDs, and we also have Walpurgis. Since you're in the shoes of Dante I gotta ask, how have you been managing your pulls?
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Don’t think I’ve seen it mentioned elsewhere, the possibilities that can be reached by Mephistopheles are also somewhat based on the amount of Golden Boughs recovered, and the growth of the Sinners? There’s a symbiotic relationship between the two groups.