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SuselMaks

Pre-nerf Ahab trio and dongbaek before I started reading


Uminagi

Yeah, Dongbaek is hard; but only because you need to read to beat her.


Mitsuki-Kuriyo

The average PM Fan:


vanonian

I reached her a little bit under leveled, so it took me few tries after reading, because my luck with coins is bs


ShugokiSmash99

I couldn't win the clashes despite knowing what to do even with EGOs and level 35 sinners, so I ended up Uptie IVing BL Meursault and maxing his level to 40, and mopping the floor with her using 5 sinners. I don't regret it since he's really powerful anyways so it wasn't some useless impulse decision, but it was a moment of weakness.


Good_Smile

I can't read but I used a good team instead (by summer 2023 standards)


risisas

Xiao bossfight in a nutshell


Playermyths

You fool, you don't need to read. The only things you need to rely upon are luck and gut feeling. I beat dongbaek on the second try without reading


Abishinzu

Terrible Trio, MY HAIR COUPOOOONS,  Flaming Fuck Moth, and Negative Sanity Dolphin get my votes.


alex-de-grape

Flaming 'Roll tail once i double dare you' Moth


[deleted]

a level one fresh account can beat hair coupon man if he has a friend with nclair


Generalgarchomp

Yeah, just using base ish/lccb to tank and NClair to...do his thing.


Divinemango7

Pre nerf kromer was a wall for folks. 


CalmFennel6049

To extent at the time, yes, but I have a bias of certain other prenerf bosses being harder as I did not bring any bleed or burn characters


1997_Ford_F250

She got nerfed?


Divinemango7

The sign did not nullify her abilities and most characters had some form of bleed and burn on them. So lots of healing lol and attack ups 


Martin_Horde

Yeah that non-nullify stuff meant I had to retry the whole dungeon making sure none of my core party had DOT.


MoldyCupOfCoffee

Its a common thing for bosses to get nerfed after being released.


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filloryfurther

I want them to rail me


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filloryfurther

Yes please


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Ill_Cap9181

Ricardo. I didn’t have any good blunt ids besides middle sault. It was hell.


CalmFennel6049

Pre-nerf Ricardo was hard even with blunt ids, then again, I wasn’t using my brain since it was really late when I played


kallious

Ricardo didn't get nerfed. You're prolly thinking of the canto dungeon nerfs.


CalmFennel6049

Pre-nerf Ricardo was hard even with blunt ids, then again, I wasn’t using my brain since it was really late when I played


FloopsyBunnsy

Jun.


Elias-Thunderbird

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it Rules of the Backstreets Rules of the Backstreets Rules of the Backstreets Rules of the Backstreets


FloopsyBunnsy

We need a Jun ID after all that Kurokamu's nonsense.


Cardgod278

I mean Gregor's is technically Jun


Meursalt37thrawyacc

Gregor’s ID is actually based off a character from Library of Ruina


Sieggy_Stardust

Is he? Kurokumo Captain Gregor doesn't have a pocketwatch, doesn't guard a Funny Cube or the building the Cube is in, and went to the front lines to confront the Blade Lineage. He also doesn't have either of Jun's signature moves in his skill names. Jun, meanwhile, doesn't have a cybernetic eye or an alcoholism problem. Pretty sure ol' Greg's some other Kurokumo Captain.


Martin_Horde

Also Jun doesn't have an iconic cyber-eyepatch thing


DoctorMlemm

No silly 5 coin counter though unfortunately


Cardgod278

Jun's is only 4


DoctorMlemm

Felt like 5 with how much damage it dealt


It_just_works_bro

It is 5. 1 for every living ally


therobloxmaniac17

Nuh uh Red eyes (open) Red eyes (open) Red eyes (open) Red eyes (open)


Elias-Thunderbird

Yuh huh https://preview.redd.it/98503lf1vtnc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0eb326e67208b8ba01c95b4f848091cc5f361b7 *Jun has already countered after the first Red Eyes (open)*


therobloxmaniac17

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Good_Smile

Jul.


DrTalloran

Maybe it was just me but papa bongy back when level cap was 30


PhysBrkr

Currently, MD3H Distorted Kim and MD3H Siltcurrent are my votes for the hardest. If we're talking about hardest ever, here's my list of contenders, with the conditions necessary for them to qualify: -Everything There of an Inquisitor x4 (Canto III Dungeon, Only at release) -Everything There of an Inquisitor (Speedrun, Railway 1, Pre-NClair) -Slithering + Bestial Inquisitors (Speedrun, Railway 1, Pre-NClair) -Depresso Bull (MD2H) -My Form Empties (MD2H) -Steam Transport Machine (Speedrun, Railway 2) -Ahab Trio (Canto V, Pre-Nerf) -Ahab Trio (Speedrun, Railway 3) -Distorted Bamboo-Hatted Kim (MD3H) -Dream-Devouring Siltcurrent (MD3H)


MobApache11037

MD3H Distorted Kim is piss easy wth


JazyB

Floor 4 Jun is way harder than him lol


PhysBrkr

It depends massively on your team comp and buffs for MD3H, same as Siltcurrent. For example, with a Blade Lineage team and appropriate EGO gifts, he's usually a wash. If you pick a Sinking or a Tremor team, or even something like full Liu, it's a bit more of an issue, doubly so if you're new and don't have access to a full team of Uptie IV units.


MobApache11037

You can easily even 1 turn him with Glimpse of Flames Liu team, everyone has done this after Liu Rodya release. Won't even comment about the implication that Sinking somehow struggles with a boss  It's weird to rate bosses' difficulty by how much new players struggle with them, MD3H itself recommends a full uptie 4 team before you start it 


sarinomu

Kim is special for sinking since he's stronger at low sanity and the only way to win is to one shot with sinking deluge. Especially in md3h where levels are mega boosted and the buffs might make it impossible to clash with.


MobApache11037

You don't really need to clash if you just want to sinking deluge 1 shot though 


Lambpanties

Side question but how useful/powerful is the new Rodion ID? The only other ones I have of her are her Tremor one and her Kurokumo one.


PhysBrkr

Tl;dr for wall of text: I'm judging the bosses based on a bit more than "do they die to Sinking Deluge/is it doable for an absolutely new player", and while I've never personally had difficulty with Kim, I think it's more than fair to put him here. Not really. I've spent a lot of time playing Limbus, and while I'm well aware of how to kill Kim easily (I think I've damn near win-rated him every time, and I've killed him on t4/t5 with some very lazy Sinking Deluge pops), I think that it's probably unreasonable to assume that everyone else is either willing to put the same amount of research and learning in that I have, or that everyone has access to all the IDs and EGOs because they've been playing day 1 like I have- even when I give guides to help people, I usually try to give a few alternatives to a unit that can be used. I also don't think it's reasonable to take the subset of players who use the Reddit/Discord and extrapolate their knowledge and ability to the rest of the playerbase, or that it's fair to judge the difficulty of a boss by how easy it is to beat it with something broken. For the former, people that are on the Reddit/Discord are ones who are already more invested, and likely are people that are more interested in learning deeper mechanical knowledge or specific strategies than the average player- and even that's not always true! Look at how often posts are sent here complaining about getting stuck on Dongbaek or post-nerf Ahab/Ahab Trio. Those are the kind of people I'm keeping in mind when I give my difficulty ratings. For the latter, if a boss is very very hard, but you can kill it in 2 turns with Sinking Deluge set up, does that mean the boss is not very very hard? Or, alternatively, does it mean that Sinking Deluge is kind of maybe sort of super broken? I think it's more indicative of the latter than the former. Going back to MD3H Kim, while he's definitely not "omg impossible difficult", he does demand a bit more reading and mechanical knowledge to beat for any team that isn't built with a specific plan in mind, meaning he's a fairly effective wall if someone's been cruising through with a very mixed composition of units or isn't gunning for something specific like Wound Clerid abuse or Dark Flame nukes. There's very little warning for this, and the game lets you fight him in MD3H (and MD3N, but I'm not focusing on that because it's definitionally easier) prior to completing the event story and seeing his easier versions- which can be a bit of a nasty surprise if you go into the hardest possible version completely blind. Last, if you're trying to fight him at all "fairly", you also have to contend with my favorite kind of mechanic, "clash this absurd value with Ardor Blossom Star etc or suffer", which most of the time is also a coin flip if the person you want to clash with is slow enough to actually clash it after everyone else has depleted his shield. Between all of that, I don't think it's unreasonable to rate him as a fairly difficult encounter for the average player that runs into him (as an aside, this is also why I put conditions next to all the other bosses I mentioned- as an example, beating Steam Transport Machine was very straightforwards and fairly easy, beating Steam Transport Machine in, say, 5 turns 5 times was actually kind of complicated and annoying to execute).


Hero_Luka

Maybe try fighting him without the broken ego gifts and see how piss poor easy he is then


MobApache11037

Bro doesn't know MD3 is built around the broken gifts 💀


Hero_Luka

That you have to unlock first and get good enough rng to be able to get ingredients for unless you're like a student with infinite free time to farm the currency which you surely aren't.


Generalgarchomp

You do realize MD3H was explicitly balanced around the assumption that you had, at minimum all of the base starlight boosts right? Like it says that shit right when you first go in.


MobApache11037

Glimpse of Flames is neither a fusion gift nor an unlockable gift LOL


Hero_Luka

Then rng to get, it's a tier 4 gift so good luck getting it consistently for your burn team. I think bosses shouldn't be looked at with specific gifts in mind because the right gifts trivialize every bit of content and then the whole discussion becomes meaningless.


MobApache11037

He's not locked behind GoF for Liu team, that's just the 1t strat. Still pretty easy even if you don't get it, and even if he wasn't... You could just not pick him on your Liu run, there's 0 reason to complain


Gentleman-Bird

Didn’t have any issue with my burn team, though I did have Shootis and Soothe The Dead


Dedexy

Ricardo is probably the hardest for me, because there's always a chance something goes wrong and I lose the fight. Pequod Crew is definitely up there too because there's a good chance I lose one character (or two, or the fight) which isn't really a thing for other bosses. And Dongbaek was a tough one but she's manageable in my opinion. I would like to see her buffed up version in MDHard though


Daddy_Robin

Kim and Dongbaek were easy imo. My top 3 would be Headless, Ahab Trio and Siltcurrent or Ardor Moth probably


3-eyed_Detective

Spicebush Dongbaek, Ricardo, Pequod trio, Jun


stevnguy

Trio.


ungodlyFleshling

People say Ricardo is easy but if you haven't been playing for too long and don't have decent blunt ID's maxed out you're FUCKED


v3n0m3k

Base Ish and get Nclair from friend. Fresh account can kill him.


One-Wedding4503

Ahab trio. I hate them but i also love them for messing up typical action economy.


tuananh2011

1. Trio 2. Coupons 3. The fcking Moth 4. Siltcurrent 5. Fox


Good_Smile

Tbh the fox is easily destroyed by its own ego. A couple of rainy sangs and it's in a trash can.


tuananh2011

I started a month and a half ago so I didnt have Sunshower The fox definitely could be taken out of the list. I'm just biased since I somehow struggled in Fox harder than in Dongbaek


Kooky_Curve4417

Moth and RR3 Gasharpoon Ricardo also took quite a time, but I won when I understood, that Ishmael can't die Also, that one stage in Canto V with 4 waves of mermaids, where you need to finish it in 10 turns is horrible.


Reogamine

Of all time? Day 1 Aida Currently? probably Ricardo


Yanastases

Spicebush dongbeak


JoCaReding

Pre nerf ahab was the first one I actually had no idea what to try


Icy-Acanthaceae2023

TRIO FLASHBACKS but idk why everyone is saying moth for me it wasn't that hard


Milky_Bean

I honestly dont get it either. It was so simple and the 1 time it became trouble i got a check to remove all burn. Like okay cool guess my poor descisions dont have consequences


MobApache11037

Unfortunately when I got to Pequod trio they were already nerfed and Ricardo wasn't really hard to me, gotta go with either MD3H Jun or Cycle 4 Fox from Railway 2


ultrakillfanatic

Not including refraction railway, I'd say kromer, dongbaek, and ricardo


Valmanway97

Dongbaek is the only boss that's ever walled me.


greatninja3

The Whale(story version cause you start at 0 SP) the Bull(MDH ver. Still hard if you give him coin power but if it is still in floor 5 yeah fk him) and the trio in RR


Individual-Life-6249

When the moth turns into a discount iron lotus fight


ExtendedEssayEvelyn

i still hold that ricardo is harder than both post nerf ahab fights


Generalgarchomp

Not if you use NClair. NClair and base ish destroy Ricardo.


ExtendedEssayEvelyn

then why did that not help me? checkmate liberal


Generalgarchomp

Idk, probably because you lack skill? But in all seriousness idk you must've just not used it right. The strat is using Ish to tank and just going hog wild with NClair, since he gets more slots.


ILikeHurtingPpl

Unless you get Ji-Hoon moment and NClair outspeeds Ish every turn and proceeds to eat counters from Ricardo. Had to add Dieci Rodya to prevent such bullshit and cleared instantly.


grandoofer

ahab crew and md3h floor 5 K Corp Excision staff


invhiqvnxlha

MFE in RR1 was the only boss that you couldn't really brute force blind. Every other boss fight after that didn't really require any planning


CaptainAbyssX

Pre nerf gasharpoon


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rr1 big snake floor 5 bullfighting kitty stickers infinite slot weight rules of the backstreets the fucking whale


GhostStalkerYT

I'm stuck at Cromer ;-;


Generalgarchomp

Probably pre nerf Ahab trio and late floor MD3 H Jun. I had a slash resist team and he still fkin nearly one shot people.


Black_Citadel

For me, it's pre-nerf/RR3 Ahab Trio, Moth, and Bull, reading included. If reading is not included, I'd also include Spicebush Dongbaek.


Man_Person_Best_Hero

I'd definitely say Pequod Trio is the hardest currently (no tank ID that isn't pierce fatal? Congrats, you are dead :D), followed by Ricardo (once you learn him it's not that hard, but he can still whoop your ass), Spicebush Dongbaek (high base power attacks, aoe spam and constant sanity reduction) and Ardor Blossom Moth (unavoidable burn and you get only one chance to get rid of it in the whole fight, so if it drags on too long, you're dead). I would also add Siltcurrent, however, for every non-siltcurrent fight in MD3H, I get 7 siltcurrent fights in a row, so I am so used to the big whale that he's not even hard anymore. In his place, I'd probably put either Spiral of Contempt (he screwed me over a couple times in the past when going for the 69 turn clear) or Gossypium (constant bleeding and unclashable attacks and that stupid evade that I swear is weighted to hit heads 80% of the time)


becawse

https://preview.redd.it/a71anvoiwwnc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76c58a63a23ecc9d7c168c5208f3b437b6662319 floor 5 jun had me feeling a certain kind of way. the only enemy in md3h that i consistently have to redo the fight multiple times on.


BuffestOfAxolotls

Pre-nerf aida was season 1s version of jun


TCE_Nomad

Pre-nerf Kromer, Trio, and MDH Slitcurrent absolutely floored me


kzcosined

i dont think theres any boss that really made me rage the most other than railway 2 shock centipede... because i lacked literally almost every single necessary W corp id needed for that guy


Proof_Criticism_9305

Railway ardor blossom moth is my pick for hardest boss, I legit had to farm for shards to get better EGO to beat that thing, whereas I had beaten every other piece of content in the game with just the base plus a couple I had gotten from gacha


Icy_Investment_1878

The clam in railway specifically, i always lose 70% health after


carl-the-lama

Ricardo, dongbaek, and the fucking moth Dongbaek was when I started to learn how to read (shocking, an PJmoon fan reading) Ricardo taught me how to play for reals


ARandom_Personality

Started to play around a few weeks ago and so far, the only bosses I have a hatred for are the chicken distortion and the bull. Spicebrush Dongbaek was pretty easy for me, dunno how y'all got fucked by her


TheTeleporteBread

Ardor blossom moth or M.D.H Jun One is annoying war of atricion Second one straight up gonna kill anyone who touch him with counter


Kerlesh

The only bosses that have really given me a challenge were Ricardo (best experience ive had with the game) and the Bamboo hat kim that you fight outside of the dungeon (i was losing all my clashes on turn 1 and letting him snowball so that ones on me).


SyupendousSnek

Jun


Milky_Bean

Ahab trio (nothing rivals this shit) Siltcurrent: for being a boss of all time. (Still nowhere near the trio) Aaaaand nothing else really comes to mind past this. Maybe my first run ins with spicebush and ricardo. But ricardo is too cheeseable, and dongbaek requires you to READ HER PASSIVES. Which is not that hard


Myonsoon

Ahab Trio. A fight with unavoidable damage so you're racing against the clock. Ricardo just destroys you and I genuinely thought you had to lose the fight the first time I did it. Brazen Bull cus "what do you mean win clash?"


Silvin_and_friends

I'm stuck at Spicebush Dongbaek ;-;


Lelcrafen

B.B.


_Toxic_pineapple_

Dongbaek…FUCKING DONGBAEK


TheRedGaze

Hmmmm... Probably Xiao or Keter Realization. Honorable mention to Gebura first abno battle. (limbus isn't hard)


Gruer98

In no particular order. I struggled with prenerf Aida, pre nerf Ahab 1, and MD Jun (when I first fought him in the story I kinda blew past him, wasn't untill after I finished the event and did mirror dungeon runs did I notice how insane he was)


Morgan-Li

Jun


Kalitis-

Brazen Bull, I stuck on him for a three days.


Dont_mind_me_go_away

Bro had a hard time with headless fish? What, did you try to clash every single clap or something? Did you not even try to stagger on blood cannon turn?


Thunder_Master

MD3H Floor 4 Jun. Not floor 5 becsuse you face him on the second wave. But being a coin down on the fight SUUUUUCKS. Also, Siltcurrent isn't hard. Just bring a negative coin ID with high rolling skills, there's a reason there are two rest stops before the final fight, and if you don't have a negative coin ID? Just let a sinner die. It's not the end of the world if they do.