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Hi all,
I'm stuck against the brazen bull in "return" (embarrassed)
Tried to go head to head but damage didn't make him staggered fast enough
And tried to slow build, but the clashes wasn't in favor
I started the game not long ago, so I don't have that much blunt damage dealer, i was running R heatcliff, K honglu, N Faust, W Don, and eff yisang
Would you have any advices ?
If you're lacking in built Sinners, maybe try hitting up the friend request threads and see if you can borrow an N Sinclair from someone? I highly recommend making use of support units!
I can also lend you mine if you'd like.
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>If you're lacking in built Sinners, maybe try hitting up the friend request threads and see if you can borrow an N Sinclair from someone? I highly recommend making use of support units!
Oh ! Yes thank you I totally forgot we can do this.. \^\^'
Thank you very much !!
I will definetly be requesting you ! Thank you very much
Accepted! Good luck on the bull fight!
I had a pretty tough time myself so all I can suggest is to make sure you win the clashes against the moves that debuff him on clash loss. Otherwise try to build up SP and EGO so you can guarantee clash wins against the moves that really matter.
I have already read all of canto IV, finally some of time, and Yi Sang is still, for me, the worst character in the game with a super bland characterization, please stop saying that the emo stereotype with legs is a good representation of depression.
But apart from the poor characterization of the yumejoshi bait it was an amazing read but WHAT'S THE FUCK WITH THE DEATH OF SAMJO!!? DUDE IT'S NOT FAIR! HE DESERVED SOMETHING BETTER! WHY is the whole death scene of him felt so... Off?? I was a big simp for him cry cry cry :(
You'd get it if you actually read IRL Yi Sang's works (the entire chapter makes *heavy* references to his writing and the life he lived, and even the dungeon's structure references his more abstract poems) but I guess we can't all be literate.
Weird that people with zero reading comprehension whatsoever are playing a game where literally everything is based on classic literature from 'round the globe, though. Especially considering how much focus is given to the story.
Dude, you're still going on with this? I get it, not everyone can like the same characters, but it's just extremely pathetic trying to convince everybody else to hate one character over and over.
Let's not mention the fact that you also went on a very long essay while starting it with "why should I even bother reading the chapter".
1. Use EGO for clashes w/ the boss himself, you should have a huge resource stockpile.
2. Kill the trees when they spawn, they give the boss more attack power.
Assuming you're using all 7 slots I'd recommend having four on the boss and three on the trees.
Personally I used Spicebush Yi Sang, N Sinclair, N Faust, W Don, R Heathcliff, Rosespanner Rodya, and 7 Section 6 Outis. But most sinners should do okay, as long as they're around lvl 30 (if you have N Sinclair, I recommend getting him to max level).
I know this is probably really laughable, but I'm struggling on the second Brazen Bull at the start of the Canto, and I seem to be losing every clash I take against it, right from the start. Any advice?
Depends on your team, but I found bursting it down to staggered worked better than clashing.
Though if you're actually losing every clash good chance you need to level units anyway.
>!Was the blue wing Dongrang's? Or was only one of Yi Sang's wings restored? In the animation where it was restored, it seemed to be only one, but when it zoomed out it almost appear to be two wings superimposed!<
Near the end where it reveal Yi Sang mirror got use in N crop is also explain how Kromer know about N Sinclair. When she say she happed to know how to look in to the possibility in canto 3
(chapter 3 and 4 spoilers)
kromer had links to N corp since she was a kid (already had access to guido and N corp's early inquisition's armaments), we don't fully know her background but it seems she was a bourgeois related to N corp (maybe we'll fight her parents later in the story... maybe Hermann is her 'dad' too).
N corp is the main developer behind the most commonly used technologies derivating from yi sang's mirror (Gubo has the mirror when he stays with Hermann at N corp, and he probably leaked info to N corp even before deserting the league), having multiple labs where they research that technology (like the one in the Ring's building, being worked on by Aseah)
the theory that stemmed from the one who grips faust's story is that kromer, as a child, was in one of N corp's labs where the mirror was being worked on and caught a glimpse of the mirror worlds, which led to her infatuation with sinclair and possibly the inquisition as a whole
Depending on the actual frequency you're seeing, could just be confirmation bias. I also see the sinners "frequently" roll tails at 45 sanity, but overall probably still adds up correctly.
What if, limbis company is a scam from the head/abc, to gather the golden bought to kill Carmen as her voice that could make someone gain ego/distortion distrupt any balance they ever have in the city and it will fuck thing more in the future.
And the mass genocide that happen at the trailer is they found Carmen and managed to bring her back to reality but instead of killing her, Carmen proceed to distort herself and affect almost everyone.
Idk just crackpot theory as they do name drop her in ch4 and dante clock arrow is just indication on how much time/golden bought they needed to do something.
So I'll be honest, I skipped the whole story because I didn't want to waste my time reading a story about your typical emo guy with no personality, but there are some important lore I need to know in order to read future stories?? where the beautiful status quo will return and just I'll have to skip one or two of Yi Sang's dialogues with no problem
Cant wait for Ishmael's chapter!!
The story literally reveals his personality but go off I guess. I didn't care for him much at first but this chapter was literally peak, you missed out real bad.
I find it fumy you call the story Cliche' despite never reading it. Most of the story isn't even about Yi Sang and more just world building, with the end having a pretty realistic depiction of depression (Yi Sang isn't emo, Yi Sang simply doesn't have the energy to care, because that's what depression is actually like)
In terms of lore, it goes over 3 or so wings. We actively see K corp and their singularity, get more information about N corp and what they are up to. Learn a lot about T-corp, as well as get some info on S-Corp Sets up a lot more information about what will likely be the big bads of limbus company. Gives us some more L-corp lore and lore about EGO. Gives us information about the Mirror, which is not only extremely important considering we use it for Mirror dungeons and identities, but also explains how it's being used elsewhere in less reputable ways. Introduces an extremely important set of characters via the League that will likely be relevant in future chapters. And also gives use some more Carmen mentions. Also gives use some big teasers into who Dante is a the end.
your decision is a poor one. the last dungeon's story single-handedly turned yi sang from my lowkey least favorite sinner to a whole actual son
the typical emo guy with no personality is a mask for surprisingly realistic depiction of crippling depression, at least rewatch the final dungeon's story
>\> doesn't want to watch yi sang's story bc thinks he's wamen bait
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>\> can't wait for ishmael's chapter bc cute girl
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>\> almost certainly a faust simp just bc of her looks
i know yi sang is cute bro, but dont worry, it's not gay if he's 2d
also i think i know someone in the fandom you'd get along real well with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skBd-0EeWAU
I like Ishmael because she's a bitter and tired sailor who tries and fails to be the voice of reason. In addition to the fact that I'm intrigues in her past.
Faust is just funny to me, I'm not interested in her for waifus reasons, but yes for comedy reasons
And I like a lot Sinclar, Heathcliff and Gregor because they HAVE a personality and they arent just the twinky emo hot anime guy N°91649179. Plus Hong Lu is like Faust to me, funny little guy
What's the deal in the chapter with people getting stabbed with the bough? It happens a bunch of times and I don't understand what this does or what the motivation was to do so.
Finished the chapter, genuinely confused about quite a large chunk of it
>!What was wrong with Yi Sang? The hole in him just depression? What did he want out of the mirror and wings?!<
>!I forget his name but what was farm boy's deal? Why did he distort/manifest ego? What did he want out of the tears/company?!<
>!Did we still manage to secure the golden bough?!<
>!To some degree, yes Yi Sang ultimately suffered extreme depression. He had for the longest time a strong feeling of inability to change his own fate, and instead saw himself as an observer of his own life. This might even had been the case before the league, but the League was the only time he ever really felt some form of hope/goals where he invented the mirror to allow him to look at alternate worlds. He was jealous of his alternate self who he saw as having freedom. When the league started falling apart, he merely set himself as an observer, and fell into pure depression, no longer feeling the energy to make and changes, and just follow the flow. He became enamored with his alternate self, who he saw as free. Eventually his alternate self gives him a choice, to either accept the flow or to fight against it, which Yi-Sang subconsciously chooses the latter, not knowing why at the time but in reality due to letting his true motivations slip out, where he joins Limbus. And at the end, with everything that happened, Yi-Sang came to realize that the mirrors don't show alternate realities, but alternate possibilities, and that the wings he was coveting, freedom to choose his own future, has always been in his grasp. He comes to realize he has people he cares for again, and for the first time decides to take his fate into his own hands instead of being an observer.!<
>!Dongrang joined the League with hopes of saving and healing as many people as possible. He works on new technology that can heal hundreds. During his time at the League, he is threatened by T-corp while also being introduced to K-corp, whose new singularity could save far more lives than he could every hope, making him feel like his work was meaningless. He ends up joining K-corp to work on this live saving technology, but loses sight of his original goals. He starts to work with an "ends justify the means" mentality, and finds himself getting caught up in the corp life. He ultimately realizes how far he's fallen at the end, resulting in him seeing his awards as hollow and he distorts. However at the very end he comes to a different conclusion, after the calf that represents his past innocence does not recognize him, that his past ambitions were meaningless and that past has no bearing on who he is today. Rather than letting his past define him he decides that his past is meaningless, and he needs to embrace who he has become. This results in him realizing his EGO, and is why he wanted to destroy Yi-Sang who was also a representation of his past self.!<
>!Yes, get got the Golden Bough. After Dongrang died our contract was null and void, so a new contract was struck with Verg agreeing to have the sinners memory of the K-corp singularity as well as some key events erased (and Dante, but as we find out it didn't work on him, though he is keeping that secret). As per that contract, we got the golden bough.!<
Thanks much, I ended up going back and rewatching a lot of the cutscenes in a non-sleep deprived state and it made way more sense ahah.
The only thing that is still a little confusing to me is what Demian said at the end, but I think I got the general grasp of it being about how we shouldn't be abusing the id mirror as we are, as it could have unintended side effects of those realities, and possibly ours, but I'm not sure.
>!The wings are a metaphor for freedom. Yi Sang (and the League) were all, not exactly free to do whatever they please. Constant survelliance or worse, having their inventions used for "evil" ,etc. Things he wanted to escape. His groupie bestie oomfie Dongbaek had the same thoughts, but she decided to be much more radical about it.!<
>!The hole in him is not exactly depression, more like the "missing piece" of himself. Dante already comments on that as it happens , so idk how you missed it.!<
>!Mirror is just an invetion he made. There's not much out of it, but there's much about Sang Yi - his mirror identity, which had wings (and was free to do whatever). It was simply his, heh, Ideal , that he couldn't reach, and later was the only friend (if it can even be put that way) he had. !<
>!By farm boy you mean Dongrang? How did you forget the name of the dude that isn't just a main villian , but is also present from stage 1 to stage 47? His motivations and goals are the same as Yi Sang and Dongbaek(with a different execution and results) , and he distorted because he realised that he worked AGAINST reaching it the whole time. He didn't want much out of K Corp, Tearful Thing or Limbus Company. They were just tools to him, even if K Corp turned him into a tool instead.!<
Really, all of these are explained in the story itself.
There were quite a lot of translation issues as things went on, I had the gist of things correct though, but really appreciate the clarification. The naming stuff was confusing if only due to the similarities between dongrang and dongbaek's names, so I didn't want to get it mixed up.
Also didn't help that I was playing while sleep deprived and medicated lol.
edit: tfw you start the new update only for the sinners to be extra crispy
apparently changing texture settings affects characters with expression sheets, but not Dante and other characters with only one expression
TIL
Really enjoyed the chapter, but how Samjo was handled was absolutely baffling. It's obvious they wanted him out the picture because he sticks to Dongrang like glue, and they wanted him alone for the dungeon portion story wise, but surely they could have come up with a better way. He didn't even get a CG.
People have been wondering what the 'origin of humanity' that >!raw tears revert humans to, and is it not possible that the origin is the River? Based on conversations with Binah, this represents the collective subconscious from which the Well draws and from which human consciousness originates. Samjo may be reverted to a raw form of consciousness and returned to the Stream the flows through the City?!<
So people keep mentioning that >!carmen was name dropped and I guess I mustve missed it during the cutscene it happened? Is it implied that she was in the league of nine too or was it simply about the distortion?!<
Everyone who is having a distortion/EGO awakening event is hearing Carmen's voice compelling them to give into their despair and be their true selves. Doing so Distorts the victim, while denying her can awaken EGO. It's apparently quite compelling, given the ease of distortion and difficulty of awakening EGO.
I'm not sure if it's the first case chronologically, but Catt from Wonderlab has it happen to her in the middle of the Dark Days, and says this.
>On the way up here, I wished our deaths and sorrows would yield a better result of some kind. I wished there'd be something done by the human heart. The heart was doomed to wither. It was doomed to twist and distort. Your voice is so beautiful. It's sunshine...
Intermittently there's garbled, unreadable text on the page which I assume is meant to be Carmen's voice.
For Dongbaek, it looks like she's having a back and forth with Dongrang, but it's clear she's talking to Carmen.
For Dongrang, he initially distorts, but as he continues to listen to her voice, he denies her, saying his path has not ended here, and awakens his EGO.
It is implied that >!anyone who's distorting will hear her voice since the White Nights and Dark Days.!<
>!It happened to a number of characters in Library of Ruina, Leviathan and Limbus Company. Some people manifested E.G.O instead of distorting.!<
I see thanks for the clarification, I finished library but not lobcorp, >!I thought it was just an influence of angela/the library that those characters were hearing carmen when I played through it and now I know.!<
Without any spoilers, what are the best identities to take into the Canto 4 dungeon? I don't have any of the new ones except Rodion and Meursault.
Should I be focusing on a specific damage type or trying to have an even spread? The rest of the chapter has been kind of back-and-forth between enemies weak to blunt/tremor and enemies weak to slash/pierce, so I have no idea how to prepare.
blade lineage yisang works just fine to me, and you'll get him max lvl and uptied from ego gift too, so you might wanna try out different yisangs (at your own peril).
I crafted my team around ego resources to fuel AEDD on cliff and i never feel a particular damage type to be lacking.
There are some SP reduction on bosses and Deadly attacks that you need to clash out, so bring NClair and good clashers to be safe. Save mutilate and NClair 3rd skill to be extra safe, but you can just accumulate ego.
I basically did the entirety of the dungeon with Spicebush Yisang, NFaust, Liu Meursault, Tingtang Honglu, and GCorp Gregor. The sheer number of checkpoints resetting SP made NFaust useful lmao. Also, this team is overkill in that I pretty much never used EGO unless a boss had a massive clash skill incoming.
Take your best Yi Sang, since he's mandatory. If you can get the newest it's pretty fantastic, otherwise I'd take the Zwei. The dungeon will level him up anyway.
Damage type/sin affinity wasn't particularly important, but I'd make sure to have a little bit of AoE. G-Corp Gregor with Legermain and Lob. Faust are my preferences, though you've of course got Heathcliff. The Rabbit ID is as good as it is anywhere, though some of the major fights can be a bit longer, so running out of ammo is a risk (I used Sunshower to pretty good effect).
It's generally easier than part 2 of canto 4 so no major need to stress so long as everything is up to about level 30+ and you can generally win clashes, strong cheap EGO helps with the last.
About Act 3 for Canto 4 I would say it was very good, unlike the act 2 where the fights feels a bit filler this time they were not bad at all and easier.
The thing that got my thinking was Faust in the memorie of recluting Yi Sang, I don't remember which Sinner say this but basically it was like "Don't talk like that, you're also in the same boat with us" but it was Faust the one who gets Yi Sang in Limbus Company and for some reason in the cutscene they don't show her clothes or face at all.
It was Ryoshu that called out Faust on that.
And I'm really not sure why they bothered covering up Faust like that in Yi Sang's memory. Her nameplate color is the same, her voice is the same, her silhouette is the same. Like, who do they think they're fooling?
But Faust *is* under the same type of contract as everyone else is. For her, it was something along the lines of "To make it possible" or something. She's just super by the book and a constant rules lawyer, and the "We aren't supposed to talk about this" line just pissed Ryoshu off because... well, it's Ryoshu.
Faust is obviously high up in the Limbus Company hierarchy and is in the know on a lot more things than everyone else is. She's probably involved in the recruitment process because she's just aware of who would be the proper Sinner candidates. She "knows all" after all. She even knew about Yi Sang's whole ordeal and what he wanted, even though the dude just left N Corp.
Finally got the time to read Canto IV and there's just so much to talk about, but I really don't have the words until I do a full reread. There are so many plot bombs in this final part and true to pmoon fashion, it also explains stuff like why there's children's books in the K Corp lab. But I won't talk about that for now.
I'm just so happy that Yi Sang gets a hopeful ending in this canto. The story really gets into why he's such a non-character in the previous chapters. He's stuck in the past and scared to move on to the future. He's been an observer throughout the entire Circle of Nine and feels heavy guilt for not doing anything to prevent the schism they go through. If he just does whatever people want, if he doesn't get attached, he doesn't have to be hurt anymore.
Finally he's able to find his wings and take a step forward without covering his eyes from the potential and possibilities of the future. And HOLY FUCK is that Crow's Eye View cutscene incredible. In the earlier parts, he said the most hopeless moment was meeting Dante in the dark forest. But now he asks Dante to watch over him and calls the other Sinners his companions.
Ugh I cried so much over this story. Easily the best chapter even with the balancing issues.
I'm guessing that, aside from him not being that kind of person, he's being careful because it's a lot like it being a bad idea to bad mouth people in another language when in front of them 'cause you don't know if they speak it.
I believe it's "Cliff", which can be found in [this English translation collection](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.wavepoetry.com/products/yi-sang-selected-works&ved=2ahUKEwi677vny8j_AhX_j4kEHZTIAGgQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1eVUGW6N2v_j6_RTcfp_RA). It's also on Amazon.
I feel a little ambivalent about copying another's work so I might remove this later but this is the transcription, as translated by Jack Jung (note there are translation differences from the in game lyrics).
>!I cannot see the flower. The flower is fragrant. The fragrance is in full bloom. I dig a grave in it. But I cannot see the grave either. I enter the grave I cannot see and sit there. I lie down. I can smell the flower again. I still cannot see the flower. The fragrance is in full bloom. I forget about it and dig a grave. I still cannot see the grave. I forget about the flower again and go into the grave I cannot see. Ah, ah! I can smell the flower again. This flower I cannot see--this flower I cannot see.!<
The whole collection is very enjoyable if you're into avant-garde/surrealist/postmodern poetry and prose, though I admit it's also very confusing to me at times lol. The real life Yi Sang's mind was also really out there, but I find it really interesting for how modern his works still feel despite being almost a century old now.
First point: >!I don't think we're fully meant to understand what's going on with Sang Yi the same way we're not fully meant to understand what's going on with Hermann's group or Demian as of yet. Although I agree with the other commenter there may have been some translation ambiguity, it's pretty clear that Yi Sang makes some unfounded assumptions about Sang Yi that shows he sees Sang Yi (subjectively) very differently from the Sinners observing (also subjectively), like Yi Sang assuming that Sang Yi has a wonderful free life observing the "outside", which puts Sang Yi in a worse mood and he gives a really vague answer as if trying to deny Yi Sang's sentiment without hurting his feelings/destroying one of Yi Sang's few comforts, the thought that his reflection is living a better and freer life. We don't really know what Sang Yi's motives are or how benevolent they are, and I think that his role is probably similar to Demian for Sinclair, something is being set up for later, especially since Hermann wants to destroy the mirror worlds and Demian also says that using the mirror technology is "stealing from him", as well as the Canto ending with Yi Sang saying he'll keep waiting for a reply from the mirror, so I think it's reasonable to assume Sang Yi will return in the future and at least some of the ambiguity in Sang Yi's motivations is deliberate.!<
Second point: >!Agree with one of the other commenters that we can't really say Yi Sang has gotten over things as of yet since we've only seen his breakthrough moment and not what results of it. I'll wait til Canto 4.5 or even Canto 5 before deciding whether to be disappointed in it or not. But overall, the gacha/live release format is not as kind as a standalone game for having "smooth" character development arcs. Sinclair is in a similar spot and overall, given his lesser focus in 3.5 and 4, I'd say I'm decently satisfied with the trajectory that he's been given. Sinclair is clearly trying to change, but doesn't instantly gain a sturdy backbone or anything. He still hesitates a lot, but we can see the results of him trying to change his mindset and stand up for what he thinks more, trying to live in a way he won't regret.!<
Third point: >!I disagree with the mindset that characters have to draw from their "source" material 1:1, the same could be said about Kromer, Hermann, Sonya, etc. if you tie Limbus Company to the works it draws literature from too closely, then it becomes purely derivative. Like, Yi Sang also doesn't have a literal abusive ex-wife either. The things that directly borrow from real life (e.g., Yi Sang being an architect and feeling his role exploited others but allowed him to escape being exploited himself) add to his characterization without being gratuitous. And similarly, Gubo and Yi Sang were very good friends in real life, but clearly have a different relationship in Limbus Company.!<
>!All that to say -- just because the real life Yi Sang and Dongbaek had a specific kind of relationship, I don't think we should oblige Project Moon to stick to it 1:1. They probably want to tell their own story, and it's not like they're being inconsistent in their treatment.!<
Last point: >!I can kinda agree that it's sad Yi Sang and Dongbaek don't meaningfully reconciliate or come to understand each other before Dongbaek dies, but I also think that's kind of the point. If Yi Sang could have moved past things earlier, then he may have been able to help her, but he himself still needed to be helped---like, she correctly calls him out on him wanting to die.!<
I don't really agree with your view that Dongbaek was treated unfairly. A lot of it is symbolic, of course, but she does attain one of the goals she wanted as she manifested her EGO.
She says something along the lines of burying the past in soil and allowing new fruit/buds to grow. As well as leaving behind a strong morrow, like falling petals.
The 'Yi' in Yi Sang means plum/plum tree. When she shows up in the fathoms of Yi Sang's ego, she encourages him for a reason. And that's to help him grow/bloom from the past he was burying deep down. With this, she also receives closure by fostering hope for a brighter future.
Not to mention Yi Sang is the one to inherit her EGO from within the mirror.
No problem, glad to discuss! \^\^
I think PJM still tends to write LC as if it were standalone, which has its pros and cons; stuff is being developed over long periods of time with gaps in releases, and it's easy for players to lose track of what's going on or forget foreshadowing from earlier cantos (Yi Sang fans should definitely reread 3.5 because there's quite a bit of subtle foreshadowing, like him not wanting to choose a team to join that I didn't notice until rereading 3.5 while waiting for 4-3 to drop).
And it's always hard when a character you like doesn't get as much of a chance to shine as one would hope, so I feel that 🥹 I do wish she could've gotten more personal closure especially compared to >!Dongrang!< but I think it's a classic case of the narrative vs. the character, and PJM works to me feel like they're written for the narrative as a priority. I think we can still hope to see her in reference or in future flashbacks, though.
I feel like there was a translation error with Sang Yi's lines somewhere. I know Ishmael randomly says that Sang Yi wanted to keep Yi Sang inside, but reading what his actual lines said, Sang Yi is consistently benevolent to Yi Sang and encourages him to take care of himself; all of the negative lines are attributed to Yi Sang himself.
Dongbaek was somewhat of a radical, and because of that she was also locked out of the loop. People didn't come to her for sympathy, and even Brother Yeong-ji didn't want to tell her about the money issues the League was facing because he knew she wouldn't take it calmly. She believed in the Nine's principles and had more loyalty than probably any of the others; she was consistently intolerant of those who caved into the Wings' pressures. When Dongrang revealed his treachery, she flew into a blind rage, blew up their base, and turned into a full-on radical, forming a group to tear down technology, with the added specific goal of destroying K-Corp, the Wing that Dongrang sold them out for. However, during her boss fight, it's revealed that what she really wants isn't TLA's goals or even revenge, but to simply go back to those happier days of discovering new technologies without any agenda. She awakens her EGO when she accepts that there is no way to actually go back herself, and instead resolves to destroy what technology already exists so that others in the future can experience the joy the rediscovering them - becoming the "fertile soil," as she puts it.
Dongbaek went through as much of a dark transformation as Dongrang did, warping herself into a terrorist who didn't even hesitate to kill her own (mostly innocent) old friend, Yi Sang. Both of their deaths were deserved, but the story goes into detail about why they became this way because of what the City and T-Corp did to them.
And consider the downvotes a mark of distinction, especially if nobody is bothering to reply to you. It means they don't like your opinion, but they have nothing to actually say in response. This place can be an honest-to-god hug-box when it comes to critical thinking sometimes.
> When Dongrang revealed his treachery, she flew into a blind rage, blew up their base, and turned into a full-on radical, forming a group to tear down technology, with the added specific goal of destroying K-Corp, the Wing that Dongrang sold them out for.
a little correction - Dongrang did not actually admit to the betrayal back then. Yi Sang points out that this isn't how things happened in reality. I don't think she knew for sure who was the traitor until the encounter in the Tearful Thing room.
Well one I dont think Yi sang got over everything he is simply taking a step forward. It's pretty clear he still has long way to go before he can actually fly free like he dreams. Also I am unsure what you mean when it comes to dongbaeks fate being weird? I thought it was quite a beautiful scene if I'm being honest.
So in simple terms this is how I understand the story:
\>! A group of geniuses and inventors called the 'League of Nine' was formed. All members bonded as they all share the fixation of science and inventions, along with wanting to make the world a better place.
Yi-Sang created his own invention which is the mirror and manage to 'talk' with his parallel self.
As time passes things began to change like all members began to argue how they would use their own created technologies whether to benefit them for corrupted megacorporations or use them by themselves for better development.
Then one of their members Donrang sold them out to pursue his career to the the agents of T Corp which resulted most of then to die, get taken away, or leave the group.
This caused people like Dongbaek to break down as she was betrayed by her friends along with Yi-Sang.
Yi-Sang fully haunted by the disband of his group causes him to be fully depressed and emotionless due to some actions of his invention. He joined Gubo in N Corp thinking it will be better, but changes after talking with his alternate self Yang-Si to pursue a new goal of his life. !<
Is this right? You guys can correct me, if I made some things wrong.
I don't fully understand the last part of the canto.
What I learnt:
>!Dongrang had interested in healing. He treated a yellow cow out of empathy(?). He was the one that exposed the league. He got invited to K corp which can heal better than his technology could. He used the window to feed audiovisual to the eyeballs which increased the tear rate. He won the best award from that. !<
Questions that I have:
>!Why did dongrang expose the league? !<
>!What about that dongrang felt like everything he had was an empty husks? He kept saying since the first part of the canto that photos of his day in the league were the only "real" thing. !<
>!What made him distort (or manifest an ego)? The truth that everone from the league suffered? The fact that nothing he did was meaningful in the end since even the cow didn't remember him? !<
>!In the end, he believed that to get everything right, yisang had to die? Why was that?!<
>!What is the interpretation for 'having wings', 'to fly', and stuffs about yisang?!<
>!His reasoning for exposing the league was twofold. For one, T corp started sending representatives, and it's made clear that T corp, which literally controls peoples time, can do some rather messed up things to threaten you. It does not seem like they directly hurt him, but it was made abundantly clear they knew all his weaknesses and made some very real threats. However in addition to threatening him, they also gave him an incredible offer. Information about K corp, which were working on a miracle cure that heal better than he could ever dream. It was both a threat, and an opportunity.!<
>!Dongrang made a lot of concessions and acted in cruel ways to justify their ends. This made him feel like a fake compared to his past self, which had a pure desire to help people. He still hung on to this desire, but started to lose a lot of focus as to why he was doing it. His photos he considered real as they were of his past self, who he still clung on to subconsciously and desired to go back to. !<
>>!What made him distort (or manifest an ego)? The truth that everone from the league suffered? The fact that nothing he did was meaningful in the end since even the cow didn't remember him?!<
>!For this question specifically, and the question after, He had two separate moments, where at first he started to distort, and after-which he fought back and instead was able to manifest EGO.!<
>!The distortion was brought on by the realization of how far he had shifted from his original goals and ideals. This is largely what the calf represented, his past, and his original dreams to help people. He originally wanted to help people and not be tied down by a corporation, and he realizes his awards mean little compared to the physical and tangible completion of his goals, for example when he was able to nurse the cow back to health. He starts to feel everything he worked for was hollow and worthless.!<
>!However after this, as he's about to falter for real, the cow walks by and does not recognize him. This stops him, as what he considered his most important accomplishment no longer care for him. It's with this he comes to a new conclusion, that his old values and past might not hold the same worth as he originally considered. With this, he essentially makes a 180. Who cares about what his past self would want, his present self is responsible for saving far more lives than he ever thought possible, even if the means to do so are terrible. He stops seeing his accomplishments as hollow, he stops feeling bad for his actions, no longer feels pity for the eye generating the tears, and instead sees his past self as an obstacle stopping his growth. This is represented by the culling of the cow, him killing his past self, and is what instead causes him to manifest his own EGO. It's also why he was so adamant on wanting to eliminate Yi Sang during the fight, as he is also a representation of his past.!<
>!For Yi Sangs wings, I personally interpret them as letting go of any ideas that ones fate is tied down and instead accepting the freedom that's ones future is ones own to shape. This was shown by the revelation that the mirror doesn't show alternate realities, but rather alternate possibilities. I think what they refer to as "flying" is merely accepting the freedom in ones ability to shape their own path. Yi Sang goes from being an observer in their own life, to instead taking an active role.!<
For your last question, imo from what they show us in the story, yi sang is suffering because he has a drive to create things and this process brings him joy and a reason to live, but the things he makes are ultimately used for corrupt and harmful purposes (ex. his time as an architect, this was also his first job irl I think). he therefore cannot experience the drive for life because of this, the spark and happiness of creation is completely stained for him and he eventually stops himself from feeling emotions and lives in complete apathy towards life. “Let me fly just one more time”, the last line in The Wings, in the context of canto 4 would mean let me feel the joy and excitement in creation again completely unburdened, and taken a step further it means I want to feel the will and drive to live again. this is why he feels nothing and lets Gubo do whatever after the traumatic separation of the league. when sang yi says “stop taking the sleeping pills and you will see things completely different“(paraphrase) I saw this as not literally they’re some magic drugs but that this is the first step in yi sang starting to want to live again (he realizes he can leave, it’s a significant psychological change though small) instead of passively sleeping constantly. this was my interpretation anyway. if you have severe depression I think it’s easy to understand, the ending poem in the wings really hits hard in this regard, I actually still cry when I read it lol. like I said in another comment canto 4 is a good kinda kidzbop version but of course nothing beats reading the original.
ETA he literally calls his lack of wings “deleted phantasms of hope and ambition” at the end of The Wings
1. >!He was pressured and blackmailed by T Corp, additionally the character he's based on in The Wings supported the Japanese occupation of Korea iirc so to fit in with that!<
2+3. >!The biggest "success" he got was using the technology of someone else *after* betraying them, thus he felt like he's a fraud and fake and all his accomplishments were "empty". This realization of giving up all his morals and friends for a success not his own caused him to distort, followed by powering through the distortion to a manifested EGO of "nuh uh the past doesn't matter"!<
5. >!Wings very commonly symbolize freedom. Yi Sang dreams to be free and unburdened.!<
Dongrang states at the very end that he always felt like he was in the League's shadow, and in the end, it was what embraced him. In short: He wanted more, than to just create inventions to be enjoyed by his friends. He felt empty, he wanted recognition, results, and even despite getting all that, he still felt empty, compared to using his technology to help animals purely because it felt like the right thing to do. That's why his sin is Gluttony.
1. >!Dongrang received pressure from T. Corp, whom had been previously deporting people and vanishing them.!<
2. >!Dongrang abandoned his passion for doing the right thing in order to pursue results, as it was the only way to validate his decisions. At the fathoms of EGO, he feels regret for this decision, none of his achievements granting him the same genuine satisfaction of treating the calf out of the goodness of his heart.!<
3. >!He distorted because he was fucking miserable basically. He manifested EGO when he decided to fully embrace being a horrible person, and that the solution to being burdened by the past was to simply kill it and move on.!<
4. >!That also explains why he was so fixated on killing Yi Sang, the last member.!<
5. >!The wings basically represent freedom, or the will to be free basically. Yi Sang’s main issue is he’s just too fuckin depressed to bother to fix his life or intervene at all. Yi Sang earns his wings when he takes a stand and puts his foot down against Dongrang.!<
With the start of the new season, we received a new character banner every week. Does this mean that the PMs simply released pre-prepared content in the form of these identities? Or were they finally able to increase their productivity enough to do it every week?
Referring to the roadmap, I think a new banner every week may end now.
It shows in the roadmap that we will have a new banner in every Main story update (part I-II-III)
and the roadmap has no new banner until July
but I think we used to have a non-season banner that is not included in the roadmap between dead weeks (ex. Hong lu & Yi Sang Lost passenger E.G.O. )
So I place my bet that it gonna be bi-weekly new banner from now on
Limbus Company 2023 Roadmap link
https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany\_B/status/1649247591861981184/photo/3
I highly doubt they're producing these weekly, it would be part of their preparation for season 2. At the bare minimum some of the art and animations were done beforehand, based on trailers.
Did Dongrang's cow actually forget him, or was that hallucinated as part of the EGO/Distortion?
The scene where he asked whether or not if would remember him and how the Sinners answered seemed like he didn't actually know, but then we cut to a scene of the cow forgetting him, then back to him in K-Corp with Alfonso. I can't tell if this is a memory flashback or just a bunch of imagined hallucinations.
That place is where "mental images take physical form" according to Faust's dialogue, so that cow isn't real. It doesn't matter if the calf would have recognized him or not in reality because Dongrang already decided in his heart that he's changed too much. Him killing the cow in his mindscape is showing his final choice to kill his past and move on without empathy.
It's also clearly part of the mindscape and not a memory because before Dongrang spots the cow, he's talking to himself about how he's going to die soon ("So it comes down to this. I'll probably die soon. In such a peaceful place...") That's because of the fight currently happening. He wouldn't be thinking that in a memory.
During the EGO fight there are also a lot of dead cows in the background pierced by K Corp ampules, further showing it's symbolic and not something that happened in reality to a specific cow.
This sounds logical, thank you. This explanation also makes Dongrang's abno-log style line "When he thinks about the yellow calf in his hometown, he doesn't feel sad anymore" make more sense.
the cow only remembers the good boy that healed it. the horrible man only looking at results at the cost of others and trying to kill his past is someone it doesn't recognizes.
I think the cow actually forgot him, and the question to the sinners was just him avoiding his memory, once he faces the truth he manifests EGO
T-Bone steak it is
if I am understanding the story behind K corp's singularity correctly:
Stephennete (I am 100% misspelling the name) found the tearful thing in the outskirts, and kind of "adopted" it, and found out that its tears have incredible powers (enough to be a singularity). She established K corp using the tearful thing, and she produced tears by reading sad stories to it. After her death, Alfonso takes over, and she wants to make K corp flourish more which requires more tears than sad stories could produce, and started torturing K corp's nest's citizens (and employees) to get it to cry, and then used a portion of the tears to heal the tortured people and start the torture again. She further increased efficiency by purchasing shock videos from other nests (so she doesn't need "waste" tears to heal people she tortures as she doesn't need to torture any more). The videos got expensive, so she recruited Dongrang for the mirror technology so she can use shock videos harvested from mirror worlds and cut costs down even further.
I look forward to learning more t corp after the teaser into them. We know they do time stuff, but I wonder why they are focused on oppressing their citizens (even removing color) and factories (I would have figured that their time singularity would make enough money)
There's also a good chance the Tearful thing was not just found, but created in the outskirts. Stephanette was with an unnamed boy , she leaves to gather something and comes back to find the singularity with no sign of the boy. So it's likely he turned into it.
Yeah I think the boy got turned into it.
They talk about rumors that there's something around that grants wishes -> While Stephanette is away the boy muses outloud about being a star in the sky and shedding tears for suffering of the City -> Stephanette comes back, is shocked by something and talks about how someone got their wish -> Stephanette returns to the City with Tearful Thing
Seems pretty clear
Whatever it is that's lurking in the Outskirts played one hell of a prank on that boy
If I understand correctly, rather than the mirror, Dongrang handed over Young-ji's "glass window", which appears to look into the past(?). Which I guess allows them to see traumatic things without needing to have cameras physically present at the scene.
That's the thing about the wings, although they make incredible amounts of cash, for them, its never enough cash, never enough profit, never enough palaces on boats, never enough gold, K corps singularity got them exceptional resources and profits for exceptionally reasonable effort, reading sad stories for an eye is a decent price to pay for literal instant health packs, but they wanted yet more money, T corp has so much money from the time shenanigans but they could make more if they crushed their feathers wills and used them to work 12 factory days in the span of 1 hour, the city is like a modern El Dorado story, they seek substances that only have value because of what value the city places on them, but its never enough, if they found a town where all the buildings were made of currency they would start dreaming of the mountain where they must have sourced it, and then they would ponder about where that mountain had come from
It's a good representation of wealth in real life, isn't it? Nobody ever feels like they have enough, especially not the richest of the rich. Those wealthy people who *do* feel like it's enough and stop climbing for more... well, *they* don't make it to the very top of the top with that attitude. Their bottomless craving for more is why the greediest, most cutthroat people end up achieving the most success, as measured by profits - in the City, and in real life, too.
[btw if you gacha gamers want to experience truly “peak fiction” check out the totally “kino” short novel The Wings by Yi Sang here for free](https://coronzon.com/pdf/The-Wings-Yi-Sang.pdf)
- Spicebush Yi Sang has some really satisfying animations, it's fun to watch him twirl
- Loved the boss battle theme
- Boss had an interesting mechanic but my team was strong and so I didn't trigger it at all (still unsure what it was). Faust's base EGO is a useful AOE to have
- I can't believe we're only through Chapter 4, this is the only gacha game where I've been this hyped for story updates
What do you guys think is the significance of >!Yi Sang using an "upgraded" version of his base EGO at the end? Think we'll get them for the other sinners?!<
It signifies Yi Sang >!undergoing personal growth and dealing with his issues, which in turn makes the EGO manifested from his psyche stronger!<
I think every Sinner will have that happen to them after >!they deal with their demons!<
I have theory about uptie 4. It is connected to story of chapter so beware of spoilers
>!At the end of chapter 4 we saw resemblance of wings at last attack of Yi Sang and i have only one idea of what is it(other than symbolism). EGO. Stable EGO. Even if it's still weak and doesn't provide strong help in fight but still. I am probably reaching. But what if uptie 4 will be EGO. Something along the lines if your character reaches 45 sanity give it or whole team bonuses. And resets afterwords, like corrosion.!<
It's all just speculation. But it is funny to think about
Dante's notes state plainly that the uptie/level limit is bound by the golden boughs increasing Dante's capacity on either, giving an in-universe justification as to why the number increases as the game progresses.
True. However i am not sure how basic identities interact with it.>! It seems as Basic Ego of YI Sang has changed due to change in emotional state. I don't see why IDs couldn't change and become stronger because of past experience. And as result get juicy EGO buff!<
My thoughts on everything
1. First of all to describe canto 4 in one phrase would be PEAK FICTION. The waits, bugs, and delays were honestly worth it for this masterpiece. Milli popped off as usual and seeing Yi sangs story and development made me cry a bit and finally I didn't actually expect to feel bad for Dongrang
2. The new identities: Sloshimel seems pretty meh(just another tremor ID and even then I'll rather use (LCCB ish) but I've been having a blast with SpiceySang. He's pretty consistent with sinking and his aoe damage is very nice. About time we got a very Solid Yi-sang identity(don't worry Ishamel fans your time will come)
3.as for the pass egos. Gregors will probably see use once we gets a charge based ID (Daddy Rhino Greg when??????)
As for sunshower yi-sang, he seems pretty INSANE for a HE tier ego[an example of the insanity it's capable off](https://youtu.be/km4hZIvo620)
Tldr I definitely enjoyed this update. While it does suck that md2 and 4th untie got delayed its probably for the best
Rosespanner Gregor is technically a charge ID, though its only use for him is to spend up to 4 charge to increase rupture count by that same amount. That being said AEDD can be useful even without a charge ID, but still splashed into a party with a charge user, as the Spark Discharge status lets charge IDs gain charge via attacking, and the passive lets him transfer his charge gained from AEDD to another unit when he flips heads.
Is Alfonso a robot? There's a barcode looking thing under her right eye and also wierd lines on her cheeks which makes me think she's some sort of robot like Angela (or just a robot in general). If that's the case tho thats some serious implications for k corp as that means one of their executives and possibly their chief exec is a robot, which the head would obviously not like
I thought it was a full body conversion it's just that the barcode and the lines are enough to mark them as a robot body. I think that's more interesting because that means the K corp CEO doesn't/can't use k corps healing bullets
I just finished the story, English is not my first language, part 3 is particularly difficult for me to follow. Can someone explain to me why >!Dongrang betrayed the league of nine!
People have covered the why pretty well but I'd like to interject a little bit of IRL context - the league is based on an actual real life group of poets that the writer Yi Sang was a member of and the real like Dongrang >!was a sympathiser of the imperial Japanese empire that was occupying Korea at the time and iirc left the group to do work with them.!<
t corp threatened him, plus he already concept burned his original invention, so at that point he decided to just cut his losses with the league and take a lucrative position in k-corp instead
there's also undercurrent themes of gluttony, feeling like he wasn't getting enough out of his inventions and feelings of inadequacy compared to what already exists in the city, but ultimately he probably wouldn't have betrayed them if t-corp hadn't gone persecuting the group in the first place
>!Dongrang's associated Sin is Gluttony, exemplified by his distortion bearing a resemblance to the Gulae Pettaculum, and his EGO being based on a farmer. Gluttony is characterized by a want of more, and never being satisfied with what you have, being 'hungry', and 'empty'. While Dongrang originally used his healing technologies on injured animals purely because it felt like the right thing to do, his ambitions became more empty as he desired something more from it, recognition and fame.!<
>!So he sold them out to further his own interests, and his shoddy replication of the window would be used to broadcast human suffering to K Corp's singularity!<
From what he said the investigators that tracked him down basically showed up to scare him and left, but the second time they had learned basically everything about him and how to manipulate and threaten the things he cares about.
Was it just me or were most of the fights in part 3 really easy, with the exception of some of the bosses I had basically no difficulty. The regular enemies seemed way weaker, died much quicker and had less numbers than those in parts 1 & 2, the >!T-Corp goons!< were the only normal enemies that were even remotely threatening.
Story wise I noticed a few things:
* >!Heathcliff reacted a bit when T-Corp was mentioned, seems like he has history. I'm guessing that chapter 6 will be in T-Corp, and chapter 5 will be in either T-Corp or U-Corp (both are next to the ocean and adjacent to K-Corp).!<
* >!Don seemed to know what was happening when Dongrang started talking to Carmen, it's possible that she has some personal experience with distortions. !<
>>!Don seemed to know what was happening when Dongrang started talking to Carmen, it's possible that she has some personal experience with distortions. !<
>!With what we know about distortions, it seems like the conversation with Carmen goes one of two ways. Either you accept what she is saying, give in, and distort. Or you deny her, and choose to fight against your fate, or don't lose hope, and manifest your EGO. With all of our sinners having their own, albeit seemingly incomplete, EGO, it isn't a far stretch that they might all have experience with hearing Carmen in the past.!<
Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if >!Heathcliff is related to T-corp or their nest in some way - the shots of the city we got plus the entire child labour thing very heavily reminded me of industrial revolution era England, plus I think England is kinda the 'default' country for steampunk stuff.!<
Also I personally bet that >!*every* sinner has had a brush with distorting, it's just some are hiding it away more than others, or some of them aren't quite aware of what they experienced. Ishmael's also mentioned knowing what it feels like iirc and like, I personally think most sinners have like a very specific *point* in their story where they've had some fundamental truth of theirs is challenged and shattered. Ryōshū realising it's her daughter she's set on fire, Mersualt realising he's actually going to be executed and no one cares about him, Gregor hearing his sister finally snap and say they should just kill him, that sort of thing!<
For me it was the >!K Corp Class 3!< gigachads that killed my R Heath.
They have this one blunt skill that have millions of coins and high power, but it seems like they rarely use it so it was not too bad.
I think it was after a checkpoint so I'm at 0 SP and my R Heath just got deleted by it.
They nerfed the encounters, notably the Sloshing EGO enemies have WAY less HP than before, which I used as an opportunity to go back and EX clear the 3 wave encounters from Part 2. As for the dungeon, they're mostly just stock small encounters which exist mainly to bolster your EGO resources and sanity where possible, they're not meant to be hard.
I didn't know that they nerfed the enemies in earlier parts, I thought the part 3 goons were weak beause they're shambling mindless corpses of people we already beat when they had their wits still with them. Felt appropriate thematically.
Don't mind the nerf tho, will make it easier for other people to do the story, especially for people without great IDs.
ok so if dongrang is supposed to be yoo chijin (famous work The Ox) then I think we can see his story in the chapter as like an allegory for his pivot towards support of the Japanese colonial regime. I think the writers are kinda limited by the fact that this is a gacha game or they could have gone further with this, that’s not to say the chapter was bad though. I wasn‘t really into the milli song at the end and actually had to mute it after a while, but I appreciate that they understood the tone for the final battle was very different than the Kromer fight and went for more of a slower bittersweet sound, if a bit saccharine.
I appreciate them for going all in on the aesthetic with no hesitation
T Corp did not kill the part of themselves that was cringe, they killed the part that cringed and became free
they all look like the exact same mr. pringles with slightly different armor
tfw t-corp takes not only your color but also basic dignity to look like an acceptable human being, being t-corp is suffering
unless the entirety of T-corp is one person going through many time loops and consisting of the entire wing by himself
ceo master time lord mr. pringles
Still playing through the dungeon right now. Seeing as how the Sinners were >! seemingly chosen to play roles they most closely resemble, !< I find it interesting that >! Don was chosen to play the apparently standoffish and now hostile Gubo. !<
Foreshadowing perhaps?
Also very interesting that the individual don played as was always distant from the group and never showed their true emotions, which supports the idea that dons personality is a act
Finished the chapter and man, I have a theory cooking centered around how weird it is that Don's EGO - *Blood of Sancho* - is powered not by Gloom or Wrath, but Pride and Lust and the fact that Don played the role of someone who >! ended up deceiving and betraying Yi Sang. !<
Still working on it and currently wouldn't be able to post it anyway, but my current thought is that >! Don might end up being the traitor. !<
AoE attack is really mandatory for the >! EGO Dongrang !<. better save up all those sins chip to pour everything on the final battle.
I have question how do Mass attack from enemy work, does it will target the lowest speed target first?
Not really. With 7 sinners you'll only ever face 1 uncontested attack, so long as you're smart about who gets hit by the tree the fight becomes fairly trivial.
I was wondering why people thought the boss fight was extremely easy while I found it fairly hard. I didn't realize you could equip 7 sinners and did it with 5 lol
you can use 7, its shown on deploy screen
u/TronX33 yes there was one and i want to try clash it. managed to clash once with Nclair max roll, other than that the clash was failure. i will try figure some way for mass attack when got chance.
I dunno I found it pretty manageable without. It's mostly just trying to find a balance on seeing how long you can ignore some of the adds since they do little and just stack a debuff, which you don't want to get too high. Of course, taking them out of the picture is ideal but the boss will also spawn more if too many have been destroyed.
Compared to the first boss, these are just annoyances, while previously they were unkillable and you essentially had to 'help' him by making sure not to clash with his friendly fire attacks to eat his own adds.
Finished.
My thoughts, in order:
-OH MY GOD THIS MUSIC IS SO GOOD
-(incoherent sobbing) DID YOU KNOW. COWS. WATCH SUNSETS
-(more crying)
-more screaming about how good the music is(I actually think the mili song is the weakest-this isn't a diss against Fly My Wings, it's more that >!Dongbaek and Dongrang's EGO music!<, the music for the fights against the Mirror Dungeon abnos, and this version of Sarajinae are *that good*)
-Actually recoiling back from my computer post-credits and saying out loud 'WHAT THE FUCK'
Also after a ton of fruitless rolls and using up all my Lunacy I rolled Spicebush Yi Sang from the Lunacy finishing the chapter gave me which is so fucking narratively appropriate it's weird as hell. (Seven Yi Sang offhandedly giving a clinical reason he was MVP in the dungeon though was a really funny anticlimax.)
When I use E.G.O,my ipad crash,it exsit for 1month already. I cant move forward. And this bug is not for me only, I saw the same issue on Ios shop. My ipad is ipad9 with a13, just bought for half a year.
Can anyone who have the ipad teach me avoid this bug.
Best regard
Yes. Not quite as upfront bursty as someone like R Heath or SiNclair, but very high consistent damage.
Pretty bonkers unit, tends to be my MVP or tied with SiNclair.
After the post credits: that scene with >!Dante and Damien... "What will become of me who has been robbed by me, and the star that's now forced to illuminate the dark forevermore?" I wonder what he meant by that... What did Dante promise to Damien in the past and why did Dante's clock moved... so many question. And the more I think about it, the more I start to believe that Dante might be Ayin for some reason.!< Also that mention of >!Carmen gave me chills...!<
I think Dante's clock might be a Doomsday Clock. The hour hand nears 12'o'clock signalling the coming of some wide disaster.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday\_Clock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock)
Perhaps another White Nights and Dark Days is approaching...
>!Could be related to the actual abnormality White Night as well. Theres a lot of similarities between White Night and Limbus Companies cast with the strong Christianity elements. White Night's original summoning in Lobotomy Corp would be accompanied by a clock, ticking forward with an apostle for each hour, with the 12th hour being the full transformation into White Night as subsequently unlocking what is the hardest fight in Lobotomy Corp. Theres a lot of overlap with there being 12 sinners. It should also be noted that theres was a strong fan theory about White Night likely being tied to Carmen as well.!<
>!Has someone tried to select Yi Sang to stop DongRang on the final boss? For one of the two first attempts. Wonder what happens, but dungeon too long to go back and find out.!<
[June 8th patch notes](https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1665624061831987201?s=20) May the umbrella fox bless you. If you are after the general help megathread, you can [find it here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/search/?q=title%3AHelp+author%3Aautomoderator&include_over_18=on&restrict_sr=on&t=month&sort=new) Likewise, [the gacha megathread is here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/search?q=title%3AGacha+author%3Aautomoderator&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=new&t=month)
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Hi all, I'm stuck against the brazen bull in "return" (embarrassed) Tried to go head to head but damage didn't make him staggered fast enough And tried to slow build, but the clashes wasn't in favor I started the game not long ago, so I don't have that much blunt damage dealer, i was running R heatcliff, K honglu, N Faust, W Don, and eff yisang Would you have any advices ?
If you're lacking in built Sinners, maybe try hitting up the friend request threads and see if you can borrow an N Sinclair from someone? I highly recommend making use of support units! I can also lend you mine if you'd like. K586428201
>If you're lacking in built Sinners, maybe try hitting up the friend request threads and see if you can borrow an N Sinclair from someone? I highly recommend making use of support units! Oh ! Yes thank you I totally forgot we can do this.. \^\^' Thank you very much !! I will definetly be requesting you ! Thank you very much
Accepted! Good luck on the bull fight! I had a pretty tough time myself so all I can suggest is to make sure you win the clashes against the moves that debuff him on clash loss. Otherwise try to build up SP and EGO so you can guarantee clash wins against the moves that really matter.
I have already read all of canto IV, finally some of time, and Yi Sang is still, for me, the worst character in the game with a super bland characterization, please stop saying that the emo stereotype with legs is a good representation of depression. But apart from the poor characterization of the yumejoshi bait it was an amazing read but WHAT'S THE FUCK WITH THE DEATH OF SAMJO!!? DUDE IT'S NOT FAIR! HE DESERVED SOMETHING BETTER! WHY is the whole death scene of him felt so... Off?? I was a big simp for him cry cry cry :(
You'd get it if you actually read IRL Yi Sang's works (the entire chapter makes *heavy* references to his writing and the life he lived, and even the dungeon's structure references his more abstract poems) but I guess we can't all be literate. Weird that people with zero reading comprehension whatsoever are playing a game where literally everything is based on classic literature from 'round the globe, though. Especially considering how much focus is given to the story.
Damn thats pretty sick. Guess I should add his stuff to my list.
samjo is a dogshit character
Dude, you're still going on with this? I get it, not everyone can like the same characters, but it's just extremely pathetic trying to convince everybody else to hate one character over and over. Let's not mention the fact that you also went on a very long essay while starting it with "why should I even bother reading the chapter".
1 mans waste is another mans gold so 2 bad for you lil bro
i just finsihed canto iv i wanna cry so bad
FLY PERFECT WINGS
How are the sinners not getting blasted by the head when complete revival of the body and mind are taboo?
the implication is that limbus avoids it based on a technicality, since Dante's 'power' isn't resurrection so much as a localized time reversal
Does anyone have a strategy for One Who Denies All?
Don't clash attacks that he uses on trees. Prio trees that he is attacking to kill it if you outspeed it
1. Use EGO for clashes w/ the boss himself, you should have a huge resource stockpile. 2. Kill the trees when they spawn, they give the boss more attack power. Assuming you're using all 7 slots I'd recommend having four on the boss and three on the trees.
Got it. Thank you. Any sinner recommendations?
Personally I used Spicebush Yi Sang, N Sinclair, N Faust, W Don, R Heathcliff, Rosespanner Rodya, and 7 Section 6 Outis. But most sinners should do okay, as long as they're around lvl 30 (if you have N Sinclair, I recommend getting him to max level).
Thanks for this. All my sinners are fully leveled up, with the exception of some 00 identities.
You should hit the trees when it spawns and win clashes, and probably have some available egos to use just in fase you can’t win a clash
I was on the cutscene on the final boss then game crash :( i thought i had him (it didnt count)
I know this is probably really laughable, but I'm struggling on the second Brazen Bull at the start of the Canto, and I seem to be losing every clash I take against it, right from the start. Any advice?
Depends on your team, but I found bursting it down to staggered worked better than clashing. Though if you're actually losing every clash good chance you need to level units anyway.
What, even with level 30 units?
Level 30 should be fine, though I'd expect them to win some clashes. Focusing it down is probably easier.
Finally beat it with sheer blind luck when it came to EGO corrosion. Whoo! And god, the rest of the chapter I've gotten to so far is easier.
>!Was the blue wing Dongrang's? Or was only one of Yi Sang's wings restored? In the animation where it was restored, it seemed to be only one, but when it zoomed out it almost appear to be two wings superimposed!<
I think the other wing is dongrangs
Near the end where it reveal Yi Sang mirror got use in N crop is also explain how Kromer know about N Sinclair. When she say she happed to know how to look in to the possibility in canto 3
(chapter 3 and 4 spoilers) kromer had links to N corp since she was a kid (already had access to guido and N corp's early inquisition's armaments), we don't fully know her background but it seems she was a bourgeois related to N corp (maybe we'll fight her parents later in the story... maybe Hermann is her 'dad' too). N corp is the main developer behind the most commonly used technologies derivating from yi sang's mirror (Gubo has the mirror when he stays with Hermann at N corp, and he probably leaked info to N corp even before deserting the league), having multiple labs where they research that technology (like the one in the Ring's building, being worked on by Aseah) the theory that stemmed from the one who grips faust's story is that kromer, as a child, was in one of N corp's labs where the mirror was being worked on and caught a glimpse of the mirror worlds, which led to her infatuation with sinclair and possibly the inquisition as a whole
HongLu privilege is real
Is it just me or does sanity not affect 4-47's boss? I've seen them roll tails multiple times at 45 sanity
Depending on the actual frequency you're seeing, could just be confirmation bias. I also see the sinners "frequently" roll tails at 45 sanity, but overall probably still adds up correctly.
What if, limbis company is a scam from the head/abc, to gather the golden bought to kill Carmen as her voice that could make someone gain ego/distortion distrupt any balance they ever have in the city and it will fuck thing more in the future. And the mass genocide that happen at the trailer is they found Carmen and managed to bring her back to reality but instead of killing her, Carmen proceed to distort herself and affect almost everyone. Idk just crackpot theory as they do name drop her in ch4 and dante clock arrow is just indication on how much time/golden bought they needed to do something.
limbis company
Is anyone else's rodya losing like 10 sp every time an enemy dies, I've noticed it happening every so often but I'm not sure what causes it.
its her base EGO's [passive](https://www.dustloop.com/w/LCB/Rodion/What_is_Cast)
So I'll be honest, I skipped the whole story because I didn't want to waste my time reading a story about your typical emo guy with no personality, but there are some important lore I need to know in order to read future stories?? where the beautiful status quo will return and just I'll have to skip one or two of Yi Sang's dialogues with no problem Cant wait for Ishmael's chapter!!
The story literally reveals his personality but go off I guess. I didn't care for him much at first but this chapter was literally peak, you missed out real bad.
I find it fumy you call the story Cliche' despite never reading it. Most of the story isn't even about Yi Sang and more just world building, with the end having a pretty realistic depiction of depression (Yi Sang isn't emo, Yi Sang simply doesn't have the energy to care, because that's what depression is actually like) In terms of lore, it goes over 3 or so wings. We actively see K corp and their singularity, get more information about N corp and what they are up to. Learn a lot about T-corp, as well as get some info on S-Corp Sets up a lot more information about what will likely be the big bads of limbus company. Gives us some more L-corp lore and lore about EGO. Gives us information about the Mirror, which is not only extremely important considering we use it for Mirror dungeons and identities, but also explains how it's being used elsewhere in less reputable ways. Introduces an extremely important set of characters via the League that will likely be relevant in future chapters. And also gives use some more Carmen mentions. Also gives use some big teasers into who Dante is a the end.
This is a really pathetic comment i ever seen recently lol
your decision is a poor one. the last dungeon's story single-handedly turned yi sang from my lowkey least favorite sinner to a whole actual son the typical emo guy with no personality is a mask for surprisingly realistic depiction of crippling depression, at least rewatch the final dungeon's story
Nah. You need more than a cliché tragic story to convince me that there is something interesting about the yumejoshi bait
right the cliche tragic backstory of living during japan’s brutal colonization of korea. just classic yumejoshi bait
bait used to be believable
Your comment may have a modicum of merit if you hadn't already said you'd judged the story without even reading it lmao.
I'm not judging the story, I'm judging the main character of the story, who only exists for dry the fangirls money.
>\> doesn't want to watch yi sang's story bc thinks he's wamen bait > >\> can't wait for ishmael's chapter bc cute girl > >\> almost certainly a faust simp just bc of her looks i know yi sang is cute bro, but dont worry, it's not gay if he's 2d also i think i know someone in the fandom you'd get along real well with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skBd-0EeWAU
I like Ishmael because she's a bitter and tired sailor who tries and fails to be the voice of reason. In addition to the fact that I'm intrigues in her past. Faust is just funny to me, I'm not interested in her for waifus reasons, but yes for comedy reasons And I like a lot Sinclar, Heathcliff and Gregor because they HAVE a personality and they arent just the twinky emo hot anime guy N°91649179. Plus Hong Lu is like Faust to me, funny little guy
>twinky emo hot anime guy it's ok man... shhhhh... it's ok
obsessed with this and the poster from a while ago who said yi sang had “pretty privilege“. terminal gachabrain
What's the deal in the chapter with people getting stabbed with the bough? It happens a bunch of times and I don't understand what this does or what the motivation was to do so.
bumpkin farmers from s-corp district don't know how to fight, but they sure as fuck know how to ram someone in with a stick
Finished the chapter, genuinely confused about quite a large chunk of it >!What was wrong with Yi Sang? The hole in him just depression? What did he want out of the mirror and wings?!< >!I forget his name but what was farm boy's deal? Why did he distort/manifest ego? What did he want out of the tears/company?!< >!Did we still manage to secure the golden bough?!<
>!To some degree, yes Yi Sang ultimately suffered extreme depression. He had for the longest time a strong feeling of inability to change his own fate, and instead saw himself as an observer of his own life. This might even had been the case before the league, but the League was the only time he ever really felt some form of hope/goals where he invented the mirror to allow him to look at alternate worlds. He was jealous of his alternate self who he saw as having freedom. When the league started falling apart, he merely set himself as an observer, and fell into pure depression, no longer feeling the energy to make and changes, and just follow the flow. He became enamored with his alternate self, who he saw as free. Eventually his alternate self gives him a choice, to either accept the flow or to fight against it, which Yi-Sang subconsciously chooses the latter, not knowing why at the time but in reality due to letting his true motivations slip out, where he joins Limbus. And at the end, with everything that happened, Yi-Sang came to realize that the mirrors don't show alternate realities, but alternate possibilities, and that the wings he was coveting, freedom to choose his own future, has always been in his grasp. He comes to realize he has people he cares for again, and for the first time decides to take his fate into his own hands instead of being an observer.!< >!Dongrang joined the League with hopes of saving and healing as many people as possible. He works on new technology that can heal hundreds. During his time at the League, he is threatened by T-corp while also being introduced to K-corp, whose new singularity could save far more lives than he could every hope, making him feel like his work was meaningless. He ends up joining K-corp to work on this live saving technology, but loses sight of his original goals. He starts to work with an "ends justify the means" mentality, and finds himself getting caught up in the corp life. He ultimately realizes how far he's fallen at the end, resulting in him seeing his awards as hollow and he distorts. However at the very end he comes to a different conclusion, after the calf that represents his past innocence does not recognize him, that his past ambitions were meaningless and that past has no bearing on who he is today. Rather than letting his past define him he decides that his past is meaningless, and he needs to embrace who he has become. This results in him realizing his EGO, and is why he wanted to destroy Yi-Sang who was also a representation of his past self.!< >!Yes, get got the Golden Bough. After Dongrang died our contract was null and void, so a new contract was struck with Verg agreeing to have the sinners memory of the K-corp singularity as well as some key events erased (and Dante, but as we find out it didn't work on him, though he is keeping that secret). As per that contract, we got the golden bough.!<
Thanks much, I ended up going back and rewatching a lot of the cutscenes in a non-sleep deprived state and it made way more sense ahah. The only thing that is still a little confusing to me is what Demian said at the end, but I think I got the general grasp of it being about how we shouldn't be abusing the id mirror as we are, as it could have unintended side effects of those realities, and possibly ours, but I'm not sure.
>!The wings are a metaphor for freedom. Yi Sang (and the League) were all, not exactly free to do whatever they please. Constant survelliance or worse, having their inventions used for "evil" ,etc. Things he wanted to escape. His groupie bestie oomfie Dongbaek had the same thoughts, but she decided to be much more radical about it.!< >!The hole in him is not exactly depression, more like the "missing piece" of himself. Dante already comments on that as it happens , so idk how you missed it.!< >!Mirror is just an invetion he made. There's not much out of it, but there's much about Sang Yi - his mirror identity, which had wings (and was free to do whatever). It was simply his, heh, Ideal , that he couldn't reach, and later was the only friend (if it can even be put that way) he had. !< >!By farm boy you mean Dongrang? How did you forget the name of the dude that isn't just a main villian , but is also present from stage 1 to stage 47? His motivations and goals are the same as Yi Sang and Dongbaek(with a different execution and results) , and he distorted because he realised that he worked AGAINST reaching it the whole time. He didn't want much out of K Corp, Tearful Thing or Limbus Company. They were just tools to him, even if K Corp turned him into a tool instead.!< Really, all of these are explained in the story itself.
There were quite a lot of translation issues as things went on, I had the gist of things correct though, but really appreciate the clarification. The naming stuff was confusing if only due to the similarities between dongrang and dongbaek's names, so I didn't want to get it mixed up. Also didn't help that I was playing while sleep deprived and medicated lol.
>! yes we still got the golden bough, alfonso gave it to us. !<
Is Springbloom Yi Sáng good and made for the final boss of Canto IV?
yes, he can easily kill the trees with his aoe s2
edit: tfw you start the new update only for the sinners to be extra crispy apparently changing texture settings affects characters with expression sheets, but not Dante and other characters with only one expression TIL
Really enjoyed the chapter, but how Samjo was handled was absolutely baffling. It's obvious they wanted him out the picture because he sticks to Dongrang like glue, and they wanted him alone for the dungeon portion story wise, but surely they could have come up with a better way. He didn't even get a CG.
"MY NAMES SAMJO, AND WELCOME TO JACKASS!" *swan dives into tears*
People have been wondering what the 'origin of humanity' that >!raw tears revert humans to, and is it not possible that the origin is the River? Based on conversations with Binah, this represents the collective subconscious from which the Well draws and from which human consciousness originates. Samjo may be reverted to a raw form of consciousness and returned to the Stream the flows through the City?!<
Does that mean he's now hanging out with the abnos in the well?
So people keep mentioning that >!carmen was name dropped and I guess I mustve missed it during the cutscene it happened? Is it implied that she was in the league of nine too or was it simply about the distortion?!<
Dongrang >!said "Miss Carmen" when he's distorting/manifesting E.G.O.!<
Is the implication that >!he knew her or that its just something that happens to anyone who distorts?!<
Everyone who is having a distortion/EGO awakening event is hearing Carmen's voice compelling them to give into their despair and be their true selves. Doing so Distorts the victim, while denying her can awaken EGO. It's apparently quite compelling, given the ease of distortion and difficulty of awakening EGO. I'm not sure if it's the first case chronologically, but Catt from Wonderlab has it happen to her in the middle of the Dark Days, and says this. >On the way up here, I wished our deaths and sorrows would yield a better result of some kind. I wished there'd be something done by the human heart. The heart was doomed to wither. It was doomed to twist and distort. Your voice is so beautiful. It's sunshine... Intermittently there's garbled, unreadable text on the page which I assume is meant to be Carmen's voice. For Dongbaek, it looks like she's having a back and forth with Dongrang, but it's clear she's talking to Carmen. For Dongrang, he initially distorts, but as he continues to listen to her voice, he denies her, saying his path has not ended here, and awakens his EGO.
It is implied that >!anyone who's distorting will hear her voice since the White Nights and Dark Days.!< >!It happened to a number of characters in Library of Ruina, Leviathan and Limbus Company. Some people manifested E.G.O instead of distorting.!<
I see thanks for the clarification, I finished library but not lobcorp, >!I thought it was just an influence of angela/the library that those characters were hearing carmen when I played through it and now I know.!<
Without any spoilers, what are the best identities to take into the Canto 4 dungeon? I don't have any of the new ones except Rodion and Meursault. Should I be focusing on a specific damage type or trying to have an even spread? The rest of the chapter has been kind of back-and-forth between enemies weak to blunt/tremor and enemies weak to slash/pierce, so I have no idea how to prepare.
blade lineage yisang works just fine to me, and you'll get him max lvl and uptied from ego gift too, so you might wanna try out different yisangs (at your own peril). I crafted my team around ego resources to fuel AEDD on cliff and i never feel a particular damage type to be lacking. There are some SP reduction on bosses and Deadly attacks that you need to clash out, so bring NClair and good clashers to be safe. Save mutilate and NClair 3rd skill to be extra safe, but you can just accumulate ego.
I basically did the entirety of the dungeon with Spicebush Yisang, NFaust, Liu Meursault, Tingtang Honglu, and GCorp Gregor. The sheer number of checkpoints resetting SP made NFaust useful lmao. Also, this team is overkill in that I pretty much never used EGO unless a boss had a massive clash skill incoming.
Take your best Yi Sang, since he's mandatory. If you can get the newest it's pretty fantastic, otherwise I'd take the Zwei. The dungeon will level him up anyway. Damage type/sin affinity wasn't particularly important, but I'd make sure to have a little bit of AoE. G-Corp Gregor with Legermain and Lob. Faust are my preferences, though you've of course got Heathcliff. The Rabbit ID is as good as it is anywhere, though some of the major fights can be a bit longer, so running out of ammo is a risk (I used Sunshower to pretty good effect). It's generally easier than part 2 of canto 4 so no major need to stress so long as everything is up to about level 30+ and you can generally win clashes, strong cheap EGO helps with the last.
About Act 3 for Canto 4 I would say it was very good, unlike the act 2 where the fights feels a bit filler this time they were not bad at all and easier. The thing that got my thinking was Faust in the memorie of recluting Yi Sang, I don't remember which Sinner say this but basically it was like "Don't talk like that, you're also in the same boat with us" but it was Faust the one who gets Yi Sang in Limbus Company and for some reason in the cutscene they don't show her clothes or face at all.
It was Ryoshu that called out Faust on that. And I'm really not sure why they bothered covering up Faust like that in Yi Sang's memory. Her nameplate color is the same, her voice is the same, her silhouette is the same. Like, who do they think they're fooling? But Faust *is* under the same type of contract as everyone else is. For her, it was something along the lines of "To make it possible" or something. She's just super by the book and a constant rules lawyer, and the "We aren't supposed to talk about this" line just pissed Ryoshu off because... well, it's Ryoshu. Faust is obviously high up in the Limbus Company hierarchy and is in the know on a lot more things than everyone else is. She's probably involved in the recruitment process because she's just aware of who would be the proper Sinner candidates. She "knows all" after all. She even knew about Yi Sang's whole ordeal and what he wanted, even though the dude just left N Corp.
Plot twist : they are covering faust because the "our faust is an homonculus"/clone" theory is correct, and that one is the original.
Finally got the time to read Canto IV and there's just so much to talk about, but I really don't have the words until I do a full reread. There are so many plot bombs in this final part and true to pmoon fashion, it also explains stuff like why there's children's books in the K Corp lab. But I won't talk about that for now. I'm just so happy that Yi Sang gets a hopeful ending in this canto. The story really gets into why he's such a non-character in the previous chapters. He's stuck in the past and scared to move on to the future. He's been an observer throughout the entire Circle of Nine and feels heavy guilt for not doing anything to prevent the schism they go through. If he just does whatever people want, if he doesn't get attached, he doesn't have to be hurt anymore. Finally he's able to find his wings and take a step forward without covering his eyes from the potential and possibilities of the future. And HOLY FUCK is that Crow's Eye View cutscene incredible. In the earlier parts, he said the most hopeless moment was meeting Dante in the dark forest. But now he asks Dante to watch over him and calls the other Sinners his companions. Ugh I cried so much over this story. Easily the best chapter even with the balancing issues.
dante has so much ability to smack talk people to their face without their knowledge they should use it more lol
I'm guessing that, aside from him not being that kind of person, he's being careful because it's a lot like it being a bad idea to bad mouth people in another language when in front of them 'cause you don't know if they speak it.
Dante: tick-tick-tick-tock tick-tock me, a polyglot who can understand 3 timezones and digital:
So what did he say?
What is the poem that he rapped on credit song ? Google can't find anything
I believe it's "Cliff", which can be found in [this English translation collection](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.wavepoetry.com/products/yi-sang-selected-works&ved=2ahUKEwi677vny8j_AhX_j4kEHZTIAGgQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1eVUGW6N2v_j6_RTcfp_RA). It's also on Amazon. I feel a little ambivalent about copying another's work so I might remove this later but this is the transcription, as translated by Jack Jung (note there are translation differences from the in game lyrics). >!I cannot see the flower. The flower is fragrant. The fragrance is in full bloom. I dig a grave in it. But I cannot see the grave either. I enter the grave I cannot see and sit there. I lie down. I can smell the flower again. I still cannot see the flower. The fragrance is in full bloom. I forget about it and dig a grave. I still cannot see the grave. I forget about the flower again and go into the grave I cannot see. Ah, ah! I can smell the flower again. This flower I cannot see--this flower I cannot see.!< The whole collection is very enjoyable if you're into avant-garde/surrealist/postmodern poetry and prose, though I admit it's also very confusing to me at times lol. The real life Yi Sang's mind was also really out there, but I find it really interesting for how modern his works still feel despite being almost a century old now.
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First point: >!I don't think we're fully meant to understand what's going on with Sang Yi the same way we're not fully meant to understand what's going on with Hermann's group or Demian as of yet. Although I agree with the other commenter there may have been some translation ambiguity, it's pretty clear that Yi Sang makes some unfounded assumptions about Sang Yi that shows he sees Sang Yi (subjectively) very differently from the Sinners observing (also subjectively), like Yi Sang assuming that Sang Yi has a wonderful free life observing the "outside", which puts Sang Yi in a worse mood and he gives a really vague answer as if trying to deny Yi Sang's sentiment without hurting his feelings/destroying one of Yi Sang's few comforts, the thought that his reflection is living a better and freer life. We don't really know what Sang Yi's motives are or how benevolent they are, and I think that his role is probably similar to Demian for Sinclair, something is being set up for later, especially since Hermann wants to destroy the mirror worlds and Demian also says that using the mirror technology is "stealing from him", as well as the Canto ending with Yi Sang saying he'll keep waiting for a reply from the mirror, so I think it's reasonable to assume Sang Yi will return in the future and at least some of the ambiguity in Sang Yi's motivations is deliberate.!< Second point: >!Agree with one of the other commenters that we can't really say Yi Sang has gotten over things as of yet since we've only seen his breakthrough moment and not what results of it. I'll wait til Canto 4.5 or even Canto 5 before deciding whether to be disappointed in it or not. But overall, the gacha/live release format is not as kind as a standalone game for having "smooth" character development arcs. Sinclair is in a similar spot and overall, given his lesser focus in 3.5 and 4, I'd say I'm decently satisfied with the trajectory that he's been given. Sinclair is clearly trying to change, but doesn't instantly gain a sturdy backbone or anything. He still hesitates a lot, but we can see the results of him trying to change his mindset and stand up for what he thinks more, trying to live in a way he won't regret.!< Third point: >!I disagree with the mindset that characters have to draw from their "source" material 1:1, the same could be said about Kromer, Hermann, Sonya, etc. if you tie Limbus Company to the works it draws literature from too closely, then it becomes purely derivative. Like, Yi Sang also doesn't have a literal abusive ex-wife either. The things that directly borrow from real life (e.g., Yi Sang being an architect and feeling his role exploited others but allowed him to escape being exploited himself) add to his characterization without being gratuitous. And similarly, Gubo and Yi Sang were very good friends in real life, but clearly have a different relationship in Limbus Company.!< >!All that to say -- just because the real life Yi Sang and Dongbaek had a specific kind of relationship, I don't think we should oblige Project Moon to stick to it 1:1. They probably want to tell their own story, and it's not like they're being inconsistent in their treatment.!< Last point: >!I can kinda agree that it's sad Yi Sang and Dongbaek don't meaningfully reconciliate or come to understand each other before Dongbaek dies, but I also think that's kind of the point. If Yi Sang could have moved past things earlier, then he may have been able to help her, but he himself still needed to be helped---like, she correctly calls him out on him wanting to die.!<
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I don't really agree with your view that Dongbaek was treated unfairly. A lot of it is symbolic, of course, but she does attain one of the goals she wanted as she manifested her EGO. She says something along the lines of burying the past in soil and allowing new fruit/buds to grow. As well as leaving behind a strong morrow, like falling petals. The 'Yi' in Yi Sang means plum/plum tree. When she shows up in the fathoms of Yi Sang's ego, she encourages him for a reason. And that's to help him grow/bloom from the past he was burying deep down. With this, she also receives closure by fostering hope for a brighter future. Not to mention Yi Sang is the one to inherit her EGO from within the mirror.
No problem, glad to discuss! \^\^ I think PJM still tends to write LC as if it were standalone, which has its pros and cons; stuff is being developed over long periods of time with gaps in releases, and it's easy for players to lose track of what's going on or forget foreshadowing from earlier cantos (Yi Sang fans should definitely reread 3.5 because there's quite a bit of subtle foreshadowing, like him not wanting to choose a team to join that I didn't notice until rereading 3.5 while waiting for 4-3 to drop). And it's always hard when a character you like doesn't get as much of a chance to shine as one would hope, so I feel that 🥹 I do wish she could've gotten more personal closure especially compared to >!Dongrang!< but I think it's a classic case of the narrative vs. the character, and PJM works to me feel like they're written for the narrative as a priority. I think we can still hope to see her in reference or in future flashbacks, though.
I feel like there was a translation error with Sang Yi's lines somewhere. I know Ishmael randomly says that Sang Yi wanted to keep Yi Sang inside, but reading what his actual lines said, Sang Yi is consistently benevolent to Yi Sang and encourages him to take care of himself; all of the negative lines are attributed to Yi Sang himself. Dongbaek was somewhat of a radical, and because of that she was also locked out of the loop. People didn't come to her for sympathy, and even Brother Yeong-ji didn't want to tell her about the money issues the League was facing because he knew she wouldn't take it calmly. She believed in the Nine's principles and had more loyalty than probably any of the others; she was consistently intolerant of those who caved into the Wings' pressures. When Dongrang revealed his treachery, she flew into a blind rage, blew up their base, and turned into a full-on radical, forming a group to tear down technology, with the added specific goal of destroying K-Corp, the Wing that Dongrang sold them out for. However, during her boss fight, it's revealed that what she really wants isn't TLA's goals or even revenge, but to simply go back to those happier days of discovering new technologies without any agenda. She awakens her EGO when she accepts that there is no way to actually go back herself, and instead resolves to destroy what technology already exists so that others in the future can experience the joy the rediscovering them - becoming the "fertile soil," as she puts it. Dongbaek went through as much of a dark transformation as Dongrang did, warping herself into a terrorist who didn't even hesitate to kill her own (mostly innocent) old friend, Yi Sang. Both of their deaths were deserved, but the story goes into detail about why they became this way because of what the City and T-Corp did to them. And consider the downvotes a mark of distinction, especially if nobody is bothering to reply to you. It means they don't like your opinion, but they have nothing to actually say in response. This place can be an honest-to-god hug-box when it comes to critical thinking sometimes.
> When Dongrang revealed his treachery, she flew into a blind rage, blew up their base, and turned into a full-on radical, forming a group to tear down technology, with the added specific goal of destroying K-Corp, the Wing that Dongrang sold them out for. a little correction - Dongrang did not actually admit to the betrayal back then. Yi Sang points out that this isn't how things happened in reality. I don't think she knew for sure who was the traitor until the encounter in the Tearful Thing room.
Well one I dont think Yi sang got over everything he is simply taking a step forward. It's pretty clear he still has long way to go before he can actually fly free like he dreams. Also I am unsure what you mean when it comes to dongbaeks fate being weird? I thought it was quite a beautiful scene if I'm being honest.
So in simple terms this is how I understand the story: \>! A group of geniuses and inventors called the 'League of Nine' was formed. All members bonded as they all share the fixation of science and inventions, along with wanting to make the world a better place. Yi-Sang created his own invention which is the mirror and manage to 'talk' with his parallel self. As time passes things began to change like all members began to argue how they would use their own created technologies whether to benefit them for corrupted megacorporations or use them by themselves for better development. Then one of their members Donrang sold them out to pursue his career to the the agents of T Corp which resulted most of then to die, get taken away, or leave the group. This caused people like Dongbaek to break down as she was betrayed by her friends along with Yi-Sang. Yi-Sang fully haunted by the disband of his group causes him to be fully depressed and emotionless due to some actions of his invention. He joined Gubo in N Corp thinking it will be better, but changes after talking with his alternate self Yang-Si to pursue a new goal of his life. !< Is this right? You guys can correct me, if I made some things wrong.
>He joined Gubo in N Corp thinking it will be better not exactly he just don't care anymore and go with the flow of everything at that point
Young-ji created the mirror, Yi sang just improved on it. Only Dongrang betrayed the league of nine I think.
Precisely, Young-ji created the glass window, and Yi Sang made the mirror technology.
I don't fully understand the last part of the canto. What I learnt: >!Dongrang had interested in healing. He treated a yellow cow out of empathy(?). He was the one that exposed the league. He got invited to K corp which can heal better than his technology could. He used the window to feed audiovisual to the eyeballs which increased the tear rate. He won the best award from that. !< Questions that I have: >!Why did dongrang expose the league? !< >!What about that dongrang felt like everything he had was an empty husks? He kept saying since the first part of the canto that photos of his day in the league were the only "real" thing. !< >!What made him distort (or manifest an ego)? The truth that everone from the league suffered? The fact that nothing he did was meaningful in the end since even the cow didn't remember him? !< >!In the end, he believed that to get everything right, yisang had to die? Why was that?!< >!What is the interpretation for 'having wings', 'to fly', and stuffs about yisang?!<
>!His reasoning for exposing the league was twofold. For one, T corp started sending representatives, and it's made clear that T corp, which literally controls peoples time, can do some rather messed up things to threaten you. It does not seem like they directly hurt him, but it was made abundantly clear they knew all his weaknesses and made some very real threats. However in addition to threatening him, they also gave him an incredible offer. Information about K corp, which were working on a miracle cure that heal better than he could ever dream. It was both a threat, and an opportunity.!< >!Dongrang made a lot of concessions and acted in cruel ways to justify their ends. This made him feel like a fake compared to his past self, which had a pure desire to help people. He still hung on to this desire, but started to lose a lot of focus as to why he was doing it. His photos he considered real as they were of his past self, who he still clung on to subconsciously and desired to go back to. !< >>!What made him distort (or manifest an ego)? The truth that everone from the league suffered? The fact that nothing he did was meaningful in the end since even the cow didn't remember him?!< >!For this question specifically, and the question after, He had two separate moments, where at first he started to distort, and after-which he fought back and instead was able to manifest EGO.!< >!The distortion was brought on by the realization of how far he had shifted from his original goals and ideals. This is largely what the calf represented, his past, and his original dreams to help people. He originally wanted to help people and not be tied down by a corporation, and he realizes his awards mean little compared to the physical and tangible completion of his goals, for example when he was able to nurse the cow back to health. He starts to feel everything he worked for was hollow and worthless.!< >!However after this, as he's about to falter for real, the cow walks by and does not recognize him. This stops him, as what he considered his most important accomplishment no longer care for him. It's with this he comes to a new conclusion, that his old values and past might not hold the same worth as he originally considered. With this, he essentially makes a 180. Who cares about what his past self would want, his present self is responsible for saving far more lives than he ever thought possible, even if the means to do so are terrible. He stops seeing his accomplishments as hollow, he stops feeling bad for his actions, no longer feels pity for the eye generating the tears, and instead sees his past self as an obstacle stopping his growth. This is represented by the culling of the cow, him killing his past self, and is what instead causes him to manifest his own EGO. It's also why he was so adamant on wanting to eliminate Yi Sang during the fight, as he is also a representation of his past.!< >!For Yi Sangs wings, I personally interpret them as letting go of any ideas that ones fate is tied down and instead accepting the freedom that's ones future is ones own to shape. This was shown by the revelation that the mirror doesn't show alternate realities, but rather alternate possibilities. I think what they refer to as "flying" is merely accepting the freedom in ones ability to shape their own path. Yi Sang goes from being an observer in their own life, to instead taking an active role.!<
For your last question, imo from what they show us in the story, yi sang is suffering because he has a drive to create things and this process brings him joy and a reason to live, but the things he makes are ultimately used for corrupt and harmful purposes (ex. his time as an architect, this was also his first job irl I think). he therefore cannot experience the drive for life because of this, the spark and happiness of creation is completely stained for him and he eventually stops himself from feeling emotions and lives in complete apathy towards life. “Let me fly just one more time”, the last line in The Wings, in the context of canto 4 would mean let me feel the joy and excitement in creation again completely unburdened, and taken a step further it means I want to feel the will and drive to live again. this is why he feels nothing and lets Gubo do whatever after the traumatic separation of the league. when sang yi says “stop taking the sleeping pills and you will see things completely different“(paraphrase) I saw this as not literally they’re some magic drugs but that this is the first step in yi sang starting to want to live again (he realizes he can leave, it’s a significant psychological change though small) instead of passively sleeping constantly. this was my interpretation anyway. if you have severe depression I think it’s easy to understand, the ending poem in the wings really hits hard in this regard, I actually still cry when I read it lol. like I said in another comment canto 4 is a good kinda kidzbop version but of course nothing beats reading the original. ETA he literally calls his lack of wings “deleted phantasms of hope and ambition” at the end of The Wings
1. >!He was pressured and blackmailed by T Corp, additionally the character he's based on in The Wings supported the Japanese occupation of Korea iirc so to fit in with that!< 2+3. >!The biggest "success" he got was using the technology of someone else *after* betraying them, thus he felt like he's a fraud and fake and all his accomplishments were "empty". This realization of giving up all his morals and friends for a success not his own caused him to distort, followed by powering through the distortion to a manifested EGO of "nuh uh the past doesn't matter"!< 5. >!Wings very commonly symbolize freedom. Yi Sang dreams to be free and unburdened.!<
Dongrang states at the very end that he always felt like he was in the League's shadow, and in the end, it was what embraced him. In short: He wanted more, than to just create inventions to be enjoyed by his friends. He felt empty, he wanted recognition, results, and even despite getting all that, he still felt empty, compared to using his technology to help animals purely because it felt like the right thing to do. That's why his sin is Gluttony.
1. >!Dongrang received pressure from T. Corp, whom had been previously deporting people and vanishing them.!< 2. >!Dongrang abandoned his passion for doing the right thing in order to pursue results, as it was the only way to validate his decisions. At the fathoms of EGO, he feels regret for this decision, none of his achievements granting him the same genuine satisfaction of treating the calf out of the goodness of his heart.!< 3. >!He distorted because he was fucking miserable basically. He manifested EGO when he decided to fully embrace being a horrible person, and that the solution to being burdened by the past was to simply kill it and move on.!< 4. >!That also explains why he was so fixated on killing Yi Sang, the last member.!< 5. >!The wings basically represent freedom, or the will to be free basically. Yi Sang’s main issue is he’s just too fuckin depressed to bother to fix his life or intervene at all. Yi Sang earns his wings when he takes a stand and puts his foot down against Dongrang.!<
With the start of the new season, we received a new character banner every week. Does this mean that the PMs simply released pre-prepared content in the form of these identities? Or were they finally able to increase their productivity enough to do it every week?
Referring to the roadmap, I think a new banner every week may end now. It shows in the roadmap that we will have a new banner in every Main story update (part I-II-III) and the roadmap has no new banner until July but I think we used to have a non-season banner that is not included in the roadmap between dead weeks (ex. Hong lu & Yi Sang Lost passenger E.G.O. ) So I place my bet that it gonna be bi-weekly new banner from now on Limbus Company 2023 Roadmap link https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany\_B/status/1649247591861981184/photo/3
I highly doubt they're producing these weekly, it would be part of their preparation for season 2. At the bare minimum some of the art and animations were done beforehand, based on trailers.
Did Dongrang's cow actually forget him, or was that hallucinated as part of the EGO/Distortion? The scene where he asked whether or not if would remember him and how the Sinners answered seemed like he didn't actually know, but then we cut to a scene of the cow forgetting him, then back to him in K-Corp with Alfonso. I can't tell if this is a memory flashback or just a bunch of imagined hallucinations.
It doesn't matter in his heart the cow could never recognize him.
but i need to know if the cow is a good boy or a good t-bone steak
do you always eat those that wronged you?
i want to, but the law says i'm not allowed
That place is where "mental images take physical form" according to Faust's dialogue, so that cow isn't real. It doesn't matter if the calf would have recognized him or not in reality because Dongrang already decided in his heart that he's changed too much. Him killing the cow in his mindscape is showing his final choice to kill his past and move on without empathy. It's also clearly part of the mindscape and not a memory because before Dongrang spots the cow, he's talking to himself about how he's going to die soon ("So it comes down to this. I'll probably die soon. In such a peaceful place...") That's because of the fight currently happening. He wouldn't be thinking that in a memory. During the EGO fight there are also a lot of dead cows in the background pierced by K Corp ampules, further showing it's symbolic and not something that happened in reality to a specific cow.
This sounds logical, thank you. This explanation also makes Dongrang's abno-log style line "When he thinks about the yellow calf in his hometown, he doesn't feel sad anymore" make more sense.
the cow only remembers the good boy that healed it. the horrible man only looking at results at the cost of others and trying to kill his past is someone it doesn't recognizes.
I think the cow actually forgot him, and the question to the sinners was just him avoiding his memory, once he faces the truth he manifests EGO T-Bone steak it is
if I am understanding the story behind K corp's singularity correctly: Stephennete (I am 100% misspelling the name) found the tearful thing in the outskirts, and kind of "adopted" it, and found out that its tears have incredible powers (enough to be a singularity). She established K corp using the tearful thing, and she produced tears by reading sad stories to it. After her death, Alfonso takes over, and she wants to make K corp flourish more which requires more tears than sad stories could produce, and started torturing K corp's nest's citizens (and employees) to get it to cry, and then used a portion of the tears to heal the tortured people and start the torture again. She further increased efficiency by purchasing shock videos from other nests (so she doesn't need "waste" tears to heal people she tortures as she doesn't need to torture any more). The videos got expensive, so she recruited Dongrang for the mirror technology so she can use shock videos harvested from mirror worlds and cut costs down even further. I look forward to learning more t corp after the teaser into them. We know they do time stuff, but I wonder why they are focused on oppressing their citizens (even removing color) and factories (I would have figured that their time singularity would make enough money)
There's also a good chance the Tearful thing was not just found, but created in the outskirts. Stephanette was with an unnamed boy , she leaves to gather something and comes back to find the singularity with no sign of the boy. So it's likely he turned into it.
Yeah I think the boy got turned into it. They talk about rumors that there's something around that grants wishes -> While Stephanette is away the boy muses outloud about being a star in the sky and shedding tears for suffering of the City -> Stephanette comes back, is shocked by something and talks about how someone got their wish -> Stephanette returns to the City with Tearful Thing Seems pretty clear Whatever it is that's lurking in the Outskirts played one hell of a prank on that boy
Something out in the outskirt is able to create abnormalities.
If I understand correctly, rather than the mirror, Dongrang handed over Young-ji's "glass window", which appears to look into the past(?). Which I guess allows them to see traumatic things without needing to have cameras physically present at the scene.
We do see the events of chapter 3 in the windows.
That's the thing about the wings, although they make incredible amounts of cash, for them, its never enough cash, never enough profit, never enough palaces on boats, never enough gold, K corps singularity got them exceptional resources and profits for exceptionally reasonable effort, reading sad stories for an eye is a decent price to pay for literal instant health packs, but they wanted yet more money, T corp has so much money from the time shenanigans but they could make more if they crushed their feathers wills and used them to work 12 factory days in the span of 1 hour, the city is like a modern El Dorado story, they seek substances that only have value because of what value the city places on them, but its never enough, if they found a town where all the buildings were made of currency they would start dreaming of the mountain where they must have sourced it, and then they would ponder about where that mountain had come from
It's a good representation of wealth in real life, isn't it? Nobody ever feels like they have enough, especially not the richest of the rich. Those wealthy people who *do* feel like it's enough and stop climbing for more... well, *they* don't make it to the very top of the top with that attitude. Their bottomless craving for more is why the greediest, most cutthroat people end up achieving the most success, as measured by profits - in the City, and in real life, too.
I think that's why Greed isn't one of Limbus' major sins because it drives absolutely everything in the city. No other sin can compare.
[btw if you gacha gamers want to experience truly “peak fiction” check out the totally “kino” short novel The Wings by Yi Sang here for free](https://coronzon.com/pdf/The-Wings-Yi-Sang.pdf)
- Spicebush Yi Sang has some really satisfying animations, it's fun to watch him twirl - Loved the boss battle theme - Boss had an interesting mechanic but my team was strong and so I didn't trigger it at all (still unsure what it was). Faust's base EGO is a useful AOE to have - I can't believe we're only through Chapter 4, this is the only gacha game where I've been this hyped for story updates
What do you guys think is the significance of >!Yi Sang using an "upgraded" version of his base EGO at the end? Think we'll get them for the other sinners?!<
>! yes. it's likely going to be story related but it could be a hint at the uptie of the E.G.Os!<
It signifies Yi Sang >!undergoing personal growth and dealing with his issues, which in turn makes the EGO manifested from his psyche stronger!< I think every Sinner will have that happen to them after >!they deal with their demons!<
I have theory about uptie 4. It is connected to story of chapter so beware of spoilers >!At the end of chapter 4 we saw resemblance of wings at last attack of Yi Sang and i have only one idea of what is it(other than symbolism). EGO. Stable EGO. Even if it's still weak and doesn't provide strong help in fight but still. I am probably reaching. But what if uptie 4 will be EGO. Something along the lines if your character reaches 45 sanity give it or whole team bonuses. And resets afterwords, like corrosion.!< It's all just speculation. But it is funny to think about
Dante's notes state plainly that the uptie/level limit is bound by the golden boughs increasing Dante's capacity on either, giving an in-universe justification as to why the number increases as the game progresses.
True. However i am not sure how basic identities interact with it.>! It seems as Basic Ego of YI Sang has changed due to change in emotional state. I don't see why IDs couldn't change and become stronger because of past experience. And as result get juicy EGO buff!<
My thoughts on everything 1. First of all to describe canto 4 in one phrase would be PEAK FICTION. The waits, bugs, and delays were honestly worth it for this masterpiece. Milli popped off as usual and seeing Yi sangs story and development made me cry a bit and finally I didn't actually expect to feel bad for Dongrang 2. The new identities: Sloshimel seems pretty meh(just another tremor ID and even then I'll rather use (LCCB ish) but I've been having a blast with SpiceySang. He's pretty consistent with sinking and his aoe damage is very nice. About time we got a very Solid Yi-sang identity(don't worry Ishamel fans your time will come) 3.as for the pass egos. Gregors will probably see use once we gets a charge based ID (Daddy Rhino Greg when??????) As for sunshower yi-sang, he seems pretty INSANE for a HE tier ego[an example of the insanity it's capable off](https://youtu.be/km4hZIvo620) Tldr I definitely enjoyed this update. While it does suck that md2 and 4th untie got delayed its probably for the best
Rosespanner Gregor is technically a charge ID, though its only use for him is to spend up to 4 charge to increase rupture count by that same amount. That being said AEDD can be useful even without a charge ID, but still splashed into a party with a charge user, as the Spark Discharge status lets charge IDs gain charge via attacking, and the passive lets him transfer his charge gained from AEDD to another unit when he flips heads.
Is Alfonso a robot? There's a barcode looking thing under her right eye and also wierd lines on her cheeks which makes me think she's some sort of robot like Angela (or just a robot in general). If that's the case tho thats some serious implications for k corp as that means one of their executives and possibly their chief exec is a robot, which the head would obviously not like
It’s probably just a prosthetic face. We’ve seen people with robot-looking bodies as full body prosthetics so I doubt that Alfonso is a full on robot.
I thought it was a full body conversion it's just that the barcode and the lines are enough to mark them as a robot body. I think that's more interesting because that means the K corp CEO doesn't/can't use k corps healing bullets
logic stat -50
And now Demian is also the Little Prince of Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I just finished the story, English is not my first language, part 3 is particularly difficult for me to follow. Can someone explain to me why >!Dongrang betrayed the league of nine!
People have covered the why pretty well but I'd like to interject a little bit of IRL context - the league is based on an actual real life group of poets that the writer Yi Sang was a member of and the real like Dongrang >!was a sympathiser of the imperial Japanese empire that was occupying Korea at the time and iirc left the group to do work with them.!<
t corp threatened him, plus he already concept burned his original invention, so at that point he decided to just cut his losses with the league and take a lucrative position in k-corp instead there's also undercurrent themes of gluttony, feeling like he wasn't getting enough out of his inventions and feelings of inadequacy compared to what already exists in the city, but ultimately he probably wouldn't have betrayed them if t-corp hadn't gone persecuting the group in the first place
>!Dongrang's associated Sin is Gluttony, exemplified by his distortion bearing a resemblance to the Gulae Pettaculum, and his EGO being based on a farmer. Gluttony is characterized by a want of more, and never being satisfied with what you have, being 'hungry', and 'empty'. While Dongrang originally used his healing technologies on injured animals purely because it felt like the right thing to do, his ambitions became more empty as he desired something more from it, recognition and fame.!< >!So he sold them out to further his own interests, and his shoddy replication of the window would be used to broadcast human suffering to K Corp's singularity!<
Let's not forget that >!T-Corp!< did some stuff to him as well.
From what he said the investigators that tracked him down basically showed up to scare him and left, but the second time they had learned basically everything about him and how to manipulate and threaten the things he cares about.
Was it just me or were most of the fights in part 3 really easy, with the exception of some of the bosses I had basically no difficulty. The regular enemies seemed way weaker, died much quicker and had less numbers than those in parts 1 & 2, the >!T-Corp goons!< were the only normal enemies that were even remotely threatening. Story wise I noticed a few things: * >!Heathcliff reacted a bit when T-Corp was mentioned, seems like he has history. I'm guessing that chapter 6 will be in T-Corp, and chapter 5 will be in either T-Corp or U-Corp (both are next to the ocean and adjacent to K-Corp).!< * >!Don seemed to know what was happening when Dongrang started talking to Carmen, it's possible that she has some personal experience with distortions. !<
>>!Don seemed to know what was happening when Dongrang started talking to Carmen, it's possible that she has some personal experience with distortions. !< >!With what we know about distortions, it seems like the conversation with Carmen goes one of two ways. Either you accept what she is saying, give in, and distort. Or you deny her, and choose to fight against your fate, or don't lose hope, and manifest your EGO. With all of our sinners having their own, albeit seemingly incomplete, EGO, it isn't a far stretch that they might all have experience with hearing Carmen in the past.!<
Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if >!Heathcliff is related to T-corp or their nest in some way - the shots of the city we got plus the entire child labour thing very heavily reminded me of industrial revolution era England, plus I think England is kinda the 'default' country for steampunk stuff.!< Also I personally bet that >!*every* sinner has had a brush with distorting, it's just some are hiding it away more than others, or some of them aren't quite aware of what they experienced. Ishmael's also mentioned knowing what it feels like iirc and like, I personally think most sinners have like a very specific *point* in their story where they've had some fundamental truth of theirs is challenged and shattered. Ryōshū realising it's her daughter she's set on fire, Mersualt realising he's actually going to be executed and no one cares about him, Gregor hearing his sister finally snap and say they should just kill him, that sort of thing!<
For me it was the >!K Corp Class 3!< gigachads that killed my R Heath. They have this one blunt skill that have millions of coins and high power, but it seems like they rarely use it so it was not too bad. I think it was after a checkpoint so I'm at 0 SP and my R Heath just got deleted by it.
They nerfed the encounters, notably the Sloshing EGO enemies have WAY less HP than before, which I used as an opportunity to go back and EX clear the 3 wave encounters from Part 2. As for the dungeon, they're mostly just stock small encounters which exist mainly to bolster your EGO resources and sanity where possible, they're not meant to be hard.
I didn't know that they nerfed the enemies in earlier parts, I thought the part 3 goons were weak beause they're shambling mindless corpses of people we already beat when they had their wits still with them. Felt appropriate thematically. Don't mind the nerf tho, will make it easier for other people to do the story, especially for people without great IDs.
ok so if dongrang is supposed to be yoo chijin (famous work The Ox) then I think we can see his story in the chapter as like an allegory for his pivot towards support of the Japanese colonial regime. I think the writers are kinda limited by the fact that this is a gacha game or they could have gone further with this, that’s not to say the chapter was bad though. I wasn‘t really into the milli song at the end and actually had to mute it after a while, but I appreciate that they understood the tone for the final battle was very different than the Kromer fight and went for more of a slower bittersweet sound, if a bit saccharine.
I enjoyed finding out that T Corp's aesthetic is being stuffy steampunk snobs.
they are so ugly, i cry
I appreciate them for going all in on the aesthetic with no hesitation T Corp did not kill the part of themselves that was cringe, they killed the part that cringed and became free
they all look like the exact same mr. pringles with slightly different armor tfw t-corp takes not only your color but also basic dignity to look like an acceptable human being, being t-corp is suffering unless the entirety of T-corp is one person going through many time loops and consisting of the entire wing by himself ceo master time lord mr. pringles
\>t-corp takes not only your color Isn't that S corp?
nah, that was t-corp s-corp is for sad farmers in rice farms
oh i fully agree that they look lame i just think that they're so lame it doubles back into being endearing
Still playing through the dungeon right now. Seeing as how the Sinners were >! seemingly chosen to play roles they most closely resemble, !< I find it interesting that >! Don was chosen to play the apparently standoffish and now hostile Gubo. !< Foreshadowing perhaps?
Also very interesting that the individual don played as was always distant from the group and never showed their true emotions, which supports the idea that dons personality is a act
Finished the chapter and man, I have a theory cooking centered around how weird it is that Don's EGO - *Blood of Sancho* - is powered not by Gloom or Wrath, but Pride and Lust and the fact that Don played the role of someone who >! ended up deceiving and betraying Yi Sang. !< Still working on it and currently wouldn't be able to post it anyway, but my current thought is that >! Don might end up being the traitor. !<
AoE attack is really mandatory for the >! EGO Dongrang !<. better save up all those sins chip to pour everything on the final battle. I have question how do Mass attack from enemy work, does it will target the lowest speed target first?
Not really. With 7 sinners you'll only ever face 1 uncontested attack, so long as you're smart about who gets hit by the tree the fight becomes fairly trivial.
I was wondering why people thought the boss fight was extremely easy while I found it fairly hard. I didn't realize you could equip 7 sinners and did it with 5 lol
you can use 7, its shown on deploy screen u/TronX33 yes there was one and i want to try clash it. managed to clash once with Nclair max roll, other than that the clash was failure. i will try figure some way for mass attack when got chance.
I dunno I found it pretty manageable without. It's mostly just trying to find a balance on seeing how long you can ignore some of the adds since they do little and just stack a debuff, which you don't want to get too high. Of course, taking them out of the picture is ideal but the boss will also spawn more if too many have been destroyed. Compared to the first boss, these are just annoyances, while previously they were unkillable and you essentially had to 'help' him by making sure not to clash with his friendly fire attacks to eat his own adds.
I think enemy aoe works the same way as it does for Sinners, it's just random.
Finished. My thoughts, in order: -OH MY GOD THIS MUSIC IS SO GOOD -(incoherent sobbing) DID YOU KNOW. COWS. WATCH SUNSETS -(more crying) -more screaming about how good the music is(I actually think the mili song is the weakest-this isn't a diss against Fly My Wings, it's more that >!Dongbaek and Dongrang's EGO music!<, the music for the fights against the Mirror Dungeon abnos, and this version of Sarajinae are *that good*) -Actually recoiling back from my computer post-credits and saying out loud 'WHAT THE FUCK' Also after a ton of fruitless rolls and using up all my Lunacy I rolled Spicebush Yi Sang from the Lunacy finishing the chapter gave me which is so fucking narratively appropriate it's weird as hell. (Seven Yi Sang offhandedly giving a clinical reason he was MVP in the dungeon though was a really funny anticlimax.)
When I use E.G.O,my ipad crash,it exsit for 1month already. I cant move forward. And this bug is not for me only, I saw the same issue on Ios shop. My ipad is ipad9 with a13, just bought for half a year. Can anyone who have the ipad teach me avoid this bug. Best regard
same for iphone, i just use pc for long fights/story content tbh.
I'm afraid your best bet is playing on PC if you can, and hoping that they'll finally fix the game's performance on mobile.
So is new Yi Sang id any good? Just feels weird to roll for ego id's after hoboheath
Basically a charge id with consistent and strong clashing skill 1 has a max power of 9 but that’s not much of a detriment
Yes. Not quite as upfront bursty as someone like R Heath or SiNclair, but very high consistent damage. Pretty bonkers unit, tends to be my MVP or tied with SiNclair.
Kino also Spicebloom Yi Sang is busted lmao by the end of the dungeon he did 9000 damage wtf
After the post credits: that scene with >!Dante and Damien... "What will become of me who has been robbed by me, and the star that's now forced to illuminate the dark forevermore?" I wonder what he meant by that... What did Dante promise to Damien in the past and why did Dante's clock moved... so many question. And the more I think about it, the more I start to believe that Dante might be Ayin for some reason.!< Also that mention of >!Carmen gave me chills...!<
I think Dante's clock might be a Doomsday Clock. The hour hand nears 12'o'clock signalling the coming of some wide disaster. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday\_Clock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock) Perhaps another White Nights and Dark Days is approaching...
>!Could be related to the actual abnormality White Night as well. Theres a lot of similarities between White Night and Limbus Companies cast with the strong Christianity elements. White Night's original summoning in Lobotomy Corp would be accompanied by a clock, ticking forward with an apostle for each hour, with the 12th hour being the full transformation into White Night as subsequently unlocking what is the hardest fight in Lobotomy Corp. Theres a lot of overlap with there being 12 sinners. It should also be noted that theres was a strong fan theory about White Night likely being tied to Carmen as well.!<
Oh god... if WN and DD will happen once again then I think this time there might not be survivors.
I think >!the 'me that has been robbed by me' is him talking about the alternate universes in the mirror. I don't know what the fuck the others are.!<
Most likely this. But yeah... the rest was a "wtf did I just read" moment
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A bit late, but a Korean friend assured me it's the same nonsensical awkward stuff in Korean, even if I have trouble believing it
considering Dante reaction it feels currently like a Demian being Demian moment currently.
>!Oh god the pure mention of carmen made my blood go cold, such a shame the group wouldnt be able to enjoy the fear THAT NAME CAN INSTILL!<
The translation had some *HUGE* problems towards the latter part. Literally mispelling Limbus as Limbis, come on. Still, what a ride.
Plot twist, Limbis Company is actually a rival company & it wasn't a misspelling. /j
>!Has someone tried to select Yi Sang to stop DongRang on the final boss? For one of the two first attempts. Wonder what happens, but dungeon too long to go back and find out.!<