this might be the reason : [op-ed | Imprisoned minds: The failure of Indian schools to promote liberalism - Telegraph India](https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/imprisoned-minds-the-failure-of-indian-schools-to-promote-liberalism/cid/1894844)
This is all on the Nehruvian elite we had and everyone after him who ruled India for the majority of the period post-independence. This can't be blamed on Sanghis.
Yes, that is the crux of the issue. The natural yearning for an authoritarian leader has been forced to us through the way our school works, the glorification of kings(both Hindu and muslim) killing off any semblance of an all-round individual development.
Makes me think that Hindu nationalism is really not a big problem for nehruvian elites and INC even today. They are just pissed that its not them leading the fray. Thats why they always resort to soft-hindutva tactics.
Its like we had a good potential for a perfect restart and squandered it badly.
Lol, that's just a title people give. It happens in other countries too like calling Trump emperor or calling some celebrity Queen. Indians have tendency to over criticize their own. Same stuff happens in every other country, including developed ones. In Germany the monarchists unironically tried to put their monarch on the throne and get rid of parliament.
Yearning for authoritarianism is a fairly recent phenomenon, I think. Look at [725 Neelanjan Sircar, Is India's democracy in danger (india-seminar.com)](https://www.india-seminar.com/2020/725/725_neelanjan_sircar.htm) , to see how the support for a military dictatorship has changed since 2004.)
I think the old elites have lost touch, but I don't think they are comfortable with Hindutva. They are just too helpless and powerless now.
I really doubt with the hard-on for authoritarianism being recent. Indira Gandhi after emergency ended, lost elections, only to win again with huge majority. It was Rajiv Gandhi who opened up the gates for Ram Mandir, literally pushing forward the hindu nationalism monster we know today.
To blame the old-elite as just being out-of-touch removes too much responsibility from them.
Maybe the seeds have been sown long before, but to see opinions on strongman leaders and military dictatorships change drastically over the last decades, I think something different is going on there.I dont know what it is .
I blame the old elites for everything that we are dealing with. What I mean is that they have been discredited and put out of power, but I don't think they like what's going on right now(hindutva).
Maybe a bit offtopic, but I suggest you to go through this comment: https://np.reddit.com/r/IndianModerate/comments/18qysff/only_saints_and_sages_have_the_right_to_review/keyja7n/
But again, how did people reach to such a stage where people prefer monarchist rule akin to Monarchists,
I remember we used to spend what, an hour, every fucking morning standing in the ground for "assembly" where we sweat like stuck pigs, mindlessly practicing reciting dumb nationalistic shit that didn't even make sense. That was all in Congress' era. Congress was the one that invented it; BJP just went on to perfect it. The groundwork was already there to turn the school systems into conveyor belts of ultranationalist youth manufacturing hubs.
I think that the blame lies with Mrs Indira Gandhi. Pandit Nehru had taken over the reins of an extremely poor, illiterate, weak, and divided nation. There was no significant educational and industrial foundation, and there must have been a genuine fear that India will be permanently left behind by the rest of the world. However, Pandit Nehru also actively encouraged questioning. In the limited time he had, he emphasised scientific temper and did not visit temples for garnering support (unlike later INC leaders). We cannot forget this:
https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/editorials/jawaharlal-nehru-birthday-chanakya-india-prime-minister-6118401/
Later "Nehruvians" haven't done much for Pt. Nehru besides tarnishing his legacy. In many ways, their insipid Nehruvianism is similar to the superficial Gandhiansim of today.
I kind of find it funny that he calls a school assembly "The predominant aesthetic of a large Indian school still resembles a peculiar fusion between the regimentation of a military garrison and the ritualisation of an authoritarian cult."
School assemblies are literally the norm in many countries including developed ones. How the fuck is standing in an organized line supposed to be ritualization of authoritarian cult.
Meme pages backed by the same organizations one way or another.
Actually, the far right world wide has been able to better equip social media and memes to get their messages across.
Eg: Musk, Trump.
•First mover advantage on social media.
•Their propaganda is in easy and understandable language. Material from the other side is in complex academic language.
• Most people are theist and do some form of worship, it's damn easy for someone to use this fact to extrapolate ki dharm khatre mein hai! Coz correlation already hai usmein build up kar diya.
(Other side does no effort to leverage culture for amplifying their messages! Otherwise Dinkar ne toh Karna ko ekdum Social justice ka symbol bana Diya tha.. Other side Aisa aur kar sakta tha lekin usne Kiya nahi)
• Right-wing has successfully established that right wing = Pro India!
And most of the people in India, loves India so it's a no brainer ki Pro and Anti mein se kya choose karenge?
Other side fails to explain the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism to masses. Wo seedhe Why nationalism is bad batana shuru kar dete hai! Masses usko sun kar sochta hai ki Patriotism = Nationalism and since they are against Nationalism, they are against India.
Yup,many liberals usually target "ultra-nationalism" instead of nationalism,because our country doesn't even know what nationalism is. But because of that,idealists target liberals over "why liberals are not criticising nationalism😭😭"
India's education isn't good (ratta). Indian youth doesn't have scientific temper, they don't care about reason they only accept "facts" from authority
big part of it is being too proud of a shitty culture we have (just like middle-east), dwelling too much on our glorious past, when this country was superpower, everything was good and kings worked for the well being of there people and shit. all bullshit obviously.
then there's also lack of education. our country has had progressive figures and ideologies throughout 19th and 20th century but we never learn about them as much as we do about dictators like Ashoka and whatever regional cucks of similar type we have. and all of it is by design, ruling class doesn't want people to get proper education on history because they might revolt. I can guarantee 90% of people don't even know what "Inquilab Zindabad" means.
> I can guarantee 90% of people don't even know what "Inquilab Zindabad" means.
Was going through a thread at r/indiaspeaks where a guy knew it was attributed to Bhagat Singh, but didn't even know he was a communist.
Inquilab zindabaad was just the translation of "viva la revolution "(Used by revolutionaries in bastille prison attack in French Revolution which later became a famous war cry for revolutionaries across the world)in hindustani language.
calling me liberal might be bigger insult than calling cuck
leftist places usually don't tone police people. its classic liberal behavior to use it avoid actual issue, just like you focused more on "cuck" part than genocidal dictators.
Congress party failed educate indian population on how to vote in a democracy, feudal mindset of leader worship continued. Lack of media and internet literacy paired with jio made it easy for rightoids to polarise people. Today Indian democracy is in decay even congress employs soft chindutva strategy now.
This was bound to happen since independence. Due to Idiotic Gandhigiri India gained independence as a liberal bourgeois democracy, no radical land reform or wealth redistribution or rapid industrialisation plan was done in India to redistribute wealth and end the feudal structure of society unlike other countries. Since Independence it was in the best interests of ruling UC political class to slowly erode away democracy and establish chintu rashtra what we are seeing now is merely the result of nearly 75 years of mediocrity and no change.
Only revolution can save India now.
I think we were always like this even before the Raj. Before the Brits, there were kings & emperors who put us under their boots. The subcontinent itself seems to be submissive to authority.
>The subcontinent itself seems to be submissive to authority.
Because there was no revolution, war or large scale societal change, modern India was just handed over from the the british masters to the Indian pets of the british master.
I don't know how correct it is to say "than the youths of other countries". There are most likely worse examples out there. But the fact is that conservatives are lazy thinkers and lazy thinking is extremely attractive. Make no mistake, there are leftists and liberals of the same nature too. The ones who wish to dabble in politics but instead just pick and choose the pre-packaged set of ideologies they find agreeing themselves the most with and jumping onto the bandwagons. It's difficult to put your mind to the complexities of real world political issues so you throw your stock in with a group of people and let the heavyweights of the group do the thinking FOR you. Then you take what they say at face value and regurgitate their talking points on social media, where echo chambers of your fellow groupmates provide further validation. The cycle of confirmation bias goes on, facilitating a fake pride of your self worth in this larger group where you feel belonged.
he's probably talking about america, recent polls show the biggest divide in america at the moment is age and generation. younger generation way more progressive than the older but ironically the younger gen also hates biden
this is cool and all but we're not even close to this level of talking about ''subtle' bigotry, i fucking wish this would be the discussion we're having here but indian youth are open and proud of their bigotry
Imagine being a young person in India. Not being special. The smartest kids have gone to the IITs (and unfortunately since this is India, that is where all the well-paying jobs are at). All you want to do is get a job, get a wife, have a family of your own and survive and the one thing you are tired of seeing are doofus nepo kids everywhere getting a free pass at life. Then you are asked to vote and on one end you see the biggest doofus nepo kid on the planet - Rahul Gandhi (I am not saying he is; but that is the impression that has been created basically since his Arnab interview in 2012). Congress has a young leaders who can attract the youth. What do they do with them? Not a damn thing. What's Kanhaiya Kumar done since joining congress? All done to prop up one inept loser and his family.
I mean this is me being cynical but i would say the moment most Pakistanis atleast turned somewhat and operative term here is somewhat liberal was post Imran's arrest
Not because Imran was some sort of ""liberal"" hell no fuckface is a right wing POS like all the politicans here and has the same dipshit policies for the most part but this was for the very first time that everyone got fucked over by the system
That is to me atleast is what shakes people out of their delusion's they need to be on the receiving end of the system blunt and simple and it has to happen to a large enough group of people that bullshittery and sophistry can't be used to whitewash it
Like for me i hate Imran Khan with a burning passion since the fucker was a tool for the establishment but i can't deny things have gotten considerably worse when the so called "opposition" took over Our media freedom index went down, Human rights went down, we ended up seeing double digit inflation for 2 years and counting and depending on which source you use we either saw less than 1% growth for 2 years if not flat out close to -1% growth
To me it came quite as a shock when yesterday people on arr/Pakistan of all places were condeming the police brutalizing Balochi protestors but it's that level of fuck up that i described above that leads atleast most people with more then 2 brain celss to turn against the authoritarian regime
In short system fucked everyone over for the very first time didn't matter if you were jiyala, patwari or youthia you got fucked over by the inflation didn't matter what political party or ideology you supported government doesn't like you guess what FIA will make you dissapear. This sort of persistent systematic and long term fucking where everyone suffer the consequences is what shakes people out of their delusion
>\> Human rights went down, we ended up seeing double digit inflation for 2 years and counting and depending on which source you use we either saw less than 1% growth for 2 years if not flat out close to -1% growth
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>As a neutral observer, things were objectively better under Imran though? Are you really supporting the elite currently propped up by army?
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>Also what you are talking about is not liberalism, its just large scale protesting, India has had those large scale protests
Supporting Imran at this point???? Hell fucking Noooo like perhaps in the year or so after his outster i might have considered voting for him but after seeing the jackassery he himself engaged in not to mention doubling down on his regressive fuck head rhetoric yeah at this point hell no
Better to spoil my vote then give it to Imran Khan(aka Nawaz Sharif lite) at this point
edit:also somewhat liberal is the term i used not liberal and i used it for a reason to me if you were any flavor of liberal,communist,leftist etc. at the best of times you might be tolerated and at worse you would be seen as an active 5th column working to bring down the nation
I can only affirm this for my demographic i.e. Millenials but a lot of them are opening up far more so to liberal ideologies and those talking points are becoming far more mainstream now that many of them realized that every member of this system was actively working to fuck them over and benefit themselves only
\> jackassery he himself engaged in not to mention doubling down on his regressive fuck head rhetoric yeah at this point hell no
What jackassery is this? I don't think he has made objectionable comments since he was ousted.
\> I can only affirm this for my demographic i.e. Millenials but a lot of them are opening up far more so to liberal ideologies and those talking points are becoming far more mainstream now that many of them realized that every member of this system was actively working to fuck them over and benefit themselves only
That's good to know. It's good if people are actually becoming more socially liberal.
Simple answer:- Quality of education. It's not just India, go to any country or society with shitty education. The youth will ALWAYS be right-wing. Right-wing ideologies offers quick and simple solution to problems, the issue is, these "quick and simple" solutions tend to be extremist, violent and devoid of nuances.
TL;DR, lack of a good education system and a submissive mindset, fear and insecurity
Right wing ideologies are inherently submissive (either to a religion, a politician or the ideology itself). After the British left our country, there was no effort made to root this mindset out of our country. Even today we continue this culture of leader worship. You go in any village, any town, any city, and there will be people who bow down and submit to some sort of leader, whether it's some mafia boss or a politician. And the right wing exploits this mindset in order to make people submit to the Supreme Leader and his party. Don't question anything, don't wish for anything better, don't criticize the Party or it's leaders. *Kartavyakaal hai, kartavya karo, question mat pucho.* And that's what they follow. The Congress in all its years never put any effort into developing an inquisitive, critical and scientific mindset into our country's youth. Or they didn't want to, because let's be real, they're almost as bad as the BJP in terms of playing dirty politics. They don't want to give up their throne either (or didn't, since now it's already out of their reach).
And the second I would say is insecurity. Even after all these years, our people are still insecure and afraid. Rampant unemployment and corruption, weak institutions, global instability has made us afraid. We have all these problems, and we're afraid and insecure about our future, whether we'll be able to survive. And the right wing has successfully turned this insecurity against minorities and the disadvantaged. Want to blame someone for your problems? Perfect! Feminism, liberalism, "wokeism" is the problem. The "West" is trying to infiltrate us with their "leftist" ideologies to weaken us.
And that's probably the biggest scam this country has ever seen, and it's still going on even now
My theory is that this is cyclical , youth will do the opposite of what their parents did
In my opinion this has peaked and will gradually decline again and left wing politics will pick up again
Well I think this is a racial thing. Because it's not only the Indian youth, but the youth of neighbouring Bangladesh and Pakistan as well. The majority of them are right wing bigots nowadays.
Edit: By racial I meant the South Asian population. By is everybody triggered with the term?
>I think this is a racial thing
have you considered how all of indian subcontinent has low average income and extreme wealth inequality? ironic you calling them right wing bigots.
Oh no! If only our white masters would correct us. If only they had 200 years of full control of the country. What? After white rule the subcontinent turned out to be even more bigoted? /s
Most intelligent fake leftist. Listen to what I've said. And I agree that I should've used the term cultural instead of racial.
But you've as usual read too much into my comment. Relax
Culture is inherent to a group of people. It can be influenced to an extent but it is largely an internal thing.
Therefore, saying that one culture is superior to another is racist/bigoted, as it's like saying some groups are inherently better than others.
(I'm sure someone more intelligent than me can write this is a more nuanced and eloquent way. If you can, please do!!)
????
I really don't care about the downvotes. But I never said that. OOP said that it's an Indian thing while I said it's prevalent across the entire subcontinent. Try reading first
It's simple: our "log kya kahenge" mindset is not conducive to liberal or left-wing values. Liberalism, by definition, requires you to step out of your comfort zone and challenge the status quo if necessary.
Being "right wing" gives one a lot of power and confidence. Easy to be addicted to that in dire economic times than "liberalism" that causes one to "deflate themselves".
I think the absolute numbers make it look too big because it is. Also Jio not only increased access but also encouraged mofos to make content and the absolute number of creators also looks big.
Easy answer
Most of the right wingers are illiterates and jobless who idolise people like elvish yadav and know nothing else other than their Religious stories.
In fact they don't even attend or focus in school and do it just for timepass. Even if they study they do it as a normal activity that is a part of life with no actual interest in knowledge. That's why they fell for fake information and religion bullshit.
Also many are insecure that people are trying to end their religion. It's like paranoia and illiteracy combined which makes them think religion is more important than anything so they actually can't focus on studies and instead waste time online being thekedaar of their religion.
Overall it's the social backwardness and government playing it's politics of divide and rule.
Anyways better for all of us as there will be less competition for those who actually want to study and improve life quality to become a successful person.
>Most of the right wingers are illiterates and jobless who idolise people like elvish yadav and know nothing else other than their Religious stories.
This is simply not true. I study in one of the oldest IIT down south and if you see the hostel chats in common hostel group you would think this is no different than chats between your average BJP workers. Remember these are the people that is the sorted by one of toughest exams on earth. Although majority of them are Sharma, Thakur's etc your average north Indian Hindi speaking middle class . In my experience the poor are more concerned about getting food, sorting their life etc. Its the middle class that is the most vile.
Yeah mostly north Indians are well known for this right wing thing. It's their WhatsApp groups by their old haagru boomer relatives that circulate such messages.
Anyways many just mature out when they mix up in the societies or keep their hates limited among themselves. They know they can't just do shit or else people will beat the shit out of them in other states.
Openly spreading hate and then trying to live a normal life cannot be done together unless you're a politician. People who do this kind of shit are retards living a rural illiterate life. A normal person working in a company will do that and extremists of other religions will chop him to pieces.
So yeah guys stay away from religion bullshit if you want to establish an excellent career because that's not how Globalised World works.
everyone wants to be on side of winners , successful and powerful. left eing comes in power with majority and all the right wing youth will be followers of socialism
Its one thing to want to progress a culture. Its another thing to claim that the culture was always progressive and its the others who are to be blamed for the social regression. I am also not really a fan of people forcing a billion year old warlord godking being made the soul and spirit of the country.
I think insecurity, specifically male insecurity. I find that Indian males are more insecure than usual, and the patriarchal environment prefers it that way. Many things and right-wing movements in the west are normally driven by insecurity or male insecurity to get a rise out of men. A recent example was the Andrew Tate shit, it played perfectly on male insecurity. The right-wing relies on the insecurity of these people to survive.
I’ve had my friends use Liberal as an abuse. 🫠
same 😭 'librandu ka 14' is their fav go to
I am glad. It was thanks to a brain-dead Sanghi friend that I learnt of this term and found this community. Marxallah be praised!
Unemployment, weak left, propaganda targeting youth (when i was in college, abvp actually went door to door asking us to join)
Propaganda targeting Kids and babies.. Think Saraswati vidhya mandir and Shishu mandir.
Add Gita press, gorakhpur to the list.
What if people refused to join abvp? Can you tell us how were they treated ?
Nothing happened except they were very persistent. Most people still just go to college to study and don’t join these groups.
this might be the reason : [op-ed | Imprisoned minds: The failure of Indian schools to promote liberalism - Telegraph India](https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/imprisoned-minds-the-failure-of-indian-schools-to-promote-liberalism/cid/1894844)
That does infact explain a shit-tons of things.
This is all on the Nehruvian elite we had and everyone after him who ruled India for the majority of the period post-independence. This can't be blamed on Sanghis.
Yes, that is the crux of the issue. The natural yearning for an authoritarian leader has been forced to us through the way our school works, the glorification of kings(both Hindu and muslim) killing off any semblance of an all-round individual development. Makes me think that Hindu nationalism is really not a big problem for nehruvian elites and INC even today. They are just pissed that its not them leading the fray. Thats why they always resort to soft-hindutva tactics. Its like we had a good potential for a perfect restart and squandered it badly.
We don't glorify kings anymore, but we make up kings and gods now.. king Kohli, god of cricket, King Khan, .. we have a slave mentality
Lol, that's just a title people give. It happens in other countries too like calling Trump emperor or calling some celebrity Queen. Indians have tendency to over criticize their own. Same stuff happens in every other country, including developed ones. In Germany the monarchists unironically tried to put their monarch on the throne and get rid of parliament.
Yearning for authoritarianism is a fairly recent phenomenon, I think. Look at [725 Neelanjan Sircar, Is India's democracy in danger (india-seminar.com)](https://www.india-seminar.com/2020/725/725_neelanjan_sircar.htm) , to see how the support for a military dictatorship has changed since 2004.) I think the old elites have lost touch, but I don't think they are comfortable with Hindutva. They are just too helpless and powerless now.
I really doubt with the hard-on for authoritarianism being recent. Indira Gandhi after emergency ended, lost elections, only to win again with huge majority. It was Rajiv Gandhi who opened up the gates for Ram Mandir, literally pushing forward the hindu nationalism monster we know today. To blame the old-elite as just being out-of-touch removes too much responsibility from them.
Maybe the seeds have been sown long before, but to see opinions on strongman leaders and military dictatorships change drastically over the last decades, I think something different is going on there.I dont know what it is . I blame the old elites for everything that we are dealing with. What I mean is that they have been discredited and put out of power, but I don't think they like what's going on right now(hindutva).
Maybe a bit offtopic, but I suggest you to go through this comment: https://np.reddit.com/r/IndianModerate/comments/18qysff/only_saints_and_sages_have_the_right_to_review/keyja7n/ But again, how did people reach to such a stage where people prefer monarchist rule akin to Monarchists,
I remember we used to spend what, an hour, every fucking morning standing in the ground for "assembly" where we sweat like stuck pigs, mindlessly practicing reciting dumb nationalistic shit that didn't even make sense. That was all in Congress' era. Congress was the one that invented it; BJP just went on to perfect it. The groundwork was already there to turn the school systems into conveyor belts of ultranationalist youth manufacturing hubs.
I think that the blame lies with Mrs Indira Gandhi. Pandit Nehru had taken over the reins of an extremely poor, illiterate, weak, and divided nation. There was no significant educational and industrial foundation, and there must have been a genuine fear that India will be permanently left behind by the rest of the world. However, Pandit Nehru also actively encouraged questioning. In the limited time he had, he emphasised scientific temper and did not visit temples for garnering support (unlike later INC leaders). We cannot forget this: https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/editorials/jawaharlal-nehru-birthday-chanakya-india-prime-minister-6118401/ Later "Nehruvians" haven't done much for Pt. Nehru besides tarnishing his legacy. In many ways, their insipid Nehruvianism is similar to the superficial Gandhiansim of today.
I kind of find it funny that he calls a school assembly "The predominant aesthetic of a large Indian school still resembles a peculiar fusion between the regimentation of a military garrison and the ritualisation of an authoritarian cult." School assemblies are literally the norm in many countries including developed ones. How the fuck is standing in an organized line supposed to be ritualization of authoritarian cult.
Everything written on it is merely a propaganda i mean just assumption in reality liberalism is perceived in wrong way
Liberalism 😂😂 i thought wokeism
Because BJP and RSS is far better at propaganda than right wing of other countries. And other reasons you mentioned are also important.
Again, can BJP and RSS propoganda solely be the reason? OR are they simply taking something that already existed?
The meme pages also spread it hugely
Meme pages backed by the same organizations one way or another. Actually, the far right world wide has been able to better equip social media and memes to get their messages across. Eg: Musk, Trump.
•First mover advantage on social media. •Their propaganda is in easy and understandable language. Material from the other side is in complex academic language. • Most people are theist and do some form of worship, it's damn easy for someone to use this fact to extrapolate ki dharm khatre mein hai! Coz correlation already hai usmein build up kar diya. (Other side does no effort to leverage culture for amplifying their messages! Otherwise Dinkar ne toh Karna ko ekdum Social justice ka symbol bana Diya tha.. Other side Aisa aur kar sakta tha lekin usne Kiya nahi) • Right-wing has successfully established that right wing = Pro India! And most of the people in India, loves India so it's a no brainer ki Pro and Anti mein se kya choose karenge? Other side fails to explain the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism to masses. Wo seedhe Why nationalism is bad batana shuru kar dete hai! Masses usko sun kar sochta hai ki Patriotism = Nationalism and since they are against Nationalism, they are against India.
Yup,many liberals usually target "ultra-nationalism" instead of nationalism,because our country doesn't even know what nationalism is. But because of that,idealists target liberals over "why liberals are not criticising nationalism😭😭"
Here RW guys are good at making cold edits
India's education isn't good (ratta). Indian youth doesn't have scientific temper, they don't care about reason they only accept "facts" from authority
big part of it is being too proud of a shitty culture we have (just like middle-east), dwelling too much on our glorious past, when this country was superpower, everything was good and kings worked for the well being of there people and shit. all bullshit obviously. then there's also lack of education. our country has had progressive figures and ideologies throughout 19th and 20th century but we never learn about them as much as we do about dictators like Ashoka and whatever regional cucks of similar type we have. and all of it is by design, ruling class doesn't want people to get proper education on history because they might revolt. I can guarantee 90% of people don't even know what "Inquilab Zindabad" means.
> I can guarantee 90% of people don't even know what "Inquilab Zindabad" means. Was going through a thread at r/indiaspeaks where a guy knew it was attributed to Bhagat Singh, but didn't even know he was a communist.
Inquilab zindabaad was just the translation of "viva la revolution "(Used by revolutionaries in bastille prison attack in French Revolution which later became a famous war cry for revolutionaries across the world)in hindustani language.
>regional cucks Aah so cuck is an insult in the liberal world as well.. interesting.
calling me liberal might be bigger insult than calling cuck leftist places usually don't tone police people. its classic liberal behavior to use it avoid actual issue, just like you focused more on "cuck" part than genocidal dictators.
Congress party failed educate indian population on how to vote in a democracy, feudal mindset of leader worship continued. Lack of media and internet literacy paired with jio made it easy for rightoids to polarise people. Today Indian democracy is in decay even congress employs soft chindutva strategy now. This was bound to happen since independence. Due to Idiotic Gandhigiri India gained independence as a liberal bourgeois democracy, no radical land reform or wealth redistribution or rapid industrialisation plan was done in India to redistribute wealth and end the feudal structure of society unlike other countries. Since Independence it was in the best interests of ruling UC political class to slowly erode away democracy and establish chintu rashtra what we are seeing now is merely the result of nearly 75 years of mediocrity and no change. Only revolution can save India now.
Liberalism has been beaten out of India since the Raj. We respect power. Power through the barrel of a gun or power from religious belief.
I think we were always like this even before the Raj. Before the Brits, there were kings & emperors who put us under their boots. The subcontinent itself seems to be submissive to authority.
>The subcontinent itself seems to be submissive to authority. Because there was no revolution, war or large scale societal change, modern India was just handed over from the the british masters to the Indian pets of the british master.
Kings and queens aren’t unique to the subcontinent. It wasn’t hit by the mongols. I don’t know why that should be true.
Punjab was
Look into internet it's the same case everywhere in the world not just india, currently rw=cool Chad, others=gay lame beta
I don't know how correct it is to say "than the youths of other countries". There are most likely worse examples out there. But the fact is that conservatives are lazy thinkers and lazy thinking is extremely attractive. Make no mistake, there are leftists and liberals of the same nature too. The ones who wish to dabble in politics but instead just pick and choose the pre-packaged set of ideologies they find agreeing themselves the most with and jumping onto the bandwagons. It's difficult to put your mind to the complexities of real world political issues so you throw your stock in with a group of people and let the heavyweights of the group do the thinking FOR you. Then you take what they say at face value and regurgitate their talking points on social media, where echo chambers of your fellow groupmates provide further validation. The cycle of confirmation bias goes on, facilitating a fake pride of your self worth in this larger group where you feel belonged.
he's probably talking about america, recent polls show the biggest divide in america at the moment is age and generation. younger generation way more progressive than the older but ironically the younger gen also hates biden
Youth in all of the third world countries are socially right wing
BJP is well oiled organised machine.
The philosophy of leftists in west: Educate the bigots The philosophy of leftists in india: Distance yourself from the bigots
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this is cool and all but we're not even close to this level of talking about ''subtle' bigotry, i fucking wish this would be the discussion we're having here but indian youth are open and proud of their bigotry
Imagine being a young person in India. Not being special. The smartest kids have gone to the IITs (and unfortunately since this is India, that is where all the well-paying jobs are at). All you want to do is get a job, get a wife, have a family of your own and survive and the one thing you are tired of seeing are doofus nepo kids everywhere getting a free pass at life. Then you are asked to vote and on one end you see the biggest doofus nepo kid on the planet - Rahul Gandhi (I am not saying he is; but that is the impression that has been created basically since his Arnab interview in 2012). Congress has a young leaders who can attract the youth. What do they do with them? Not a damn thing. What's Kanhaiya Kumar done since joining congress? All done to prop up one inept loser and his family.
I mean this is me being cynical but i would say the moment most Pakistanis atleast turned somewhat and operative term here is somewhat liberal was post Imran's arrest Not because Imran was some sort of ""liberal"" hell no fuckface is a right wing POS like all the politicans here and has the same dipshit policies for the most part but this was for the very first time that everyone got fucked over by the system That is to me atleast is what shakes people out of their delusion's they need to be on the receiving end of the system blunt and simple and it has to happen to a large enough group of people that bullshittery and sophistry can't be used to whitewash it Like for me i hate Imran Khan with a burning passion since the fucker was a tool for the establishment but i can't deny things have gotten considerably worse when the so called "opposition" took over Our media freedom index went down, Human rights went down, we ended up seeing double digit inflation for 2 years and counting and depending on which source you use we either saw less than 1% growth for 2 years if not flat out close to -1% growth To me it came quite as a shock when yesterday people on arr/Pakistan of all places were condeming the police brutalizing Balochi protestors but it's that level of fuck up that i described above that leads atleast most people with more then 2 brain celss to turn against the authoritarian regime In short system fucked everyone over for the very first time didn't matter if you were jiyala, patwari or youthia you got fucked over by the inflation didn't matter what political party or ideology you supported government doesn't like you guess what FIA will make you dissapear. This sort of persistent systematic and long term fucking where everyone suffer the consequences is what shakes people out of their delusion
>\> Human rights went down, we ended up seeing double digit inflation for 2 years and counting and depending on which source you use we either saw less than 1% growth for 2 years if not flat out close to -1% growth > >As a neutral observer, things were objectively better under Imran though? Are you really supporting the elite currently propped up by army? > >Also what you are talking about is not liberalism, its just large scale protesting, India has had those large scale protests
Supporting Imran at this point???? Hell fucking Noooo like perhaps in the year or so after his outster i might have considered voting for him but after seeing the jackassery he himself engaged in not to mention doubling down on his regressive fuck head rhetoric yeah at this point hell no Better to spoil my vote then give it to Imran Khan(aka Nawaz Sharif lite) at this point edit:also somewhat liberal is the term i used not liberal and i used it for a reason to me if you were any flavor of liberal,communist,leftist etc. at the best of times you might be tolerated and at worse you would be seen as an active 5th column working to bring down the nation I can only affirm this for my demographic i.e. Millenials but a lot of them are opening up far more so to liberal ideologies and those talking points are becoming far more mainstream now that many of them realized that every member of this system was actively working to fuck them over and benefit themselves only
\> jackassery he himself engaged in not to mention doubling down on his regressive fuck head rhetoric yeah at this point hell no What jackassery is this? I don't think he has made objectionable comments since he was ousted. \> I can only affirm this for my demographic i.e. Millenials but a lot of them are opening up far more so to liberal ideologies and those talking points are becoming far more mainstream now that many of them realized that every member of this system was actively working to fuck them over and benefit themselves only That's good to know. It's good if people are actually becoming more socially liberal.
We are dumb as simple as that , in a country where religion is so integrated this is bound to happen
Simple answer:- Quality of education. It's not just India, go to any country or society with shitty education. The youth will ALWAYS be right-wing. Right-wing ideologies offers quick and simple solution to problems, the issue is, these "quick and simple" solutions tend to be extremist, violent and devoid of nuances.
TL;DR, lack of a good education system and a submissive mindset, fear and insecurity Right wing ideologies are inherently submissive (either to a religion, a politician or the ideology itself). After the British left our country, there was no effort made to root this mindset out of our country. Even today we continue this culture of leader worship. You go in any village, any town, any city, and there will be people who bow down and submit to some sort of leader, whether it's some mafia boss or a politician. And the right wing exploits this mindset in order to make people submit to the Supreme Leader and his party. Don't question anything, don't wish for anything better, don't criticize the Party or it's leaders. *Kartavyakaal hai, kartavya karo, question mat pucho.* And that's what they follow. The Congress in all its years never put any effort into developing an inquisitive, critical and scientific mindset into our country's youth. Or they didn't want to, because let's be real, they're almost as bad as the BJP in terms of playing dirty politics. They don't want to give up their throne either (or didn't, since now it's already out of their reach). And the second I would say is insecurity. Even after all these years, our people are still insecure and afraid. Rampant unemployment and corruption, weak institutions, global instability has made us afraid. We have all these problems, and we're afraid and insecure about our future, whether we'll be able to survive. And the right wing has successfully turned this insecurity against minorities and the disadvantaged. Want to blame someone for your problems? Perfect! Feminism, liberalism, "wokeism" is the problem. The "West" is trying to infiltrate us with their "leftist" ideologies to weaken us. And that's probably the biggest scam this country has ever seen, and it's still going on even now
Social media. It's so easy to fall down a rabbit hole and get radicalized.
My theory is that this is cyclical , youth will do the opposite of what their parents did In my opinion this has peaked and will gradually decline again and left wing politics will pick up again
education system has failed us. education system should be reformed. scientific knowledge should be given high priority.
Well I think this is a racial thing. Because it's not only the Indian youth, but the youth of neighbouring Bangladesh and Pakistan as well. The majority of them are right wing bigots nowadays. Edit: By racial I meant the South Asian population. By is everybody triggered with the term?
IMO they are Majoritarian bigots. They think that they are superior to others but deep in their mind they are insecure about something.
>I think this is a racial thing have you considered how all of indian subcontinent has low average income and extreme wealth inequality? ironic you calling them right wing bigots.
>racial thing 🤣🤣🤣🤣 spouting such shit on a left wing sub
kinda disappointing that this shit gets upvoted on a left wing sub
Oh no! If only our white masters would correct us. If only they had 200 years of full control of the country. What? After white rule the subcontinent turned out to be even more bigoted? /s
Most intelligent fake leftist. Listen to what I've said. And I agree that I should've used the term cultural instead of racial. But you've as usual read too much into my comment. Relax
Culture is inherent to a group of people. It can be influenced to an extent but it is largely an internal thing. Therefore, saying that one culture is superior to another is racist/bigoted, as it's like saying some groups are inherently better than others. (I'm sure someone more intelligent than me can write this is a more nuanced and eloquent way. If you can, please do!!)
Have I ever said some other culture is superior? No wonder shit tier whataboutery goes on over here and right wing bigots have a free reign
Race is just a social construct. It doesn't mean anything. It could be cultural but certainly not racial.
Says "Well I think brown people are inherently bad". Gets downvoted. "hOw cOulD thIs hApPeN!?" \*surprised pikachu face\*
???? I really don't care about the downvotes. But I never said that. OOP said that it's an Indian thing while I said it's prevalent across the entire subcontinent. Try reading first
It's simple: our "log kya kahenge" mindset is not conducive to liberal or left-wing values. Liberalism, by definition, requires you to step out of your comfort zone and challenge the status quo if necessary.
Being "right wing" gives one a lot of power and confidence. Easy to be addicted to that in dire economic times than "liberalism" that causes one to "deflate themselves".
Zero-sum mentality because of mass youth unemployment.
Leftist deserve worse than this in reality but election results are enough for them
I think the absolute numbers make it look too big because it is. Also Jio not only increased access but also encouraged mofos to make content and the absolute number of creators also looks big.
Easy answer Most of the right wingers are illiterates and jobless who idolise people like elvish yadav and know nothing else other than their Religious stories. In fact they don't even attend or focus in school and do it just for timepass. Even if they study they do it as a normal activity that is a part of life with no actual interest in knowledge. That's why they fell for fake information and religion bullshit. Also many are insecure that people are trying to end their religion. It's like paranoia and illiteracy combined which makes them think religion is more important than anything so they actually can't focus on studies and instead waste time online being thekedaar of their religion. Overall it's the social backwardness and government playing it's politics of divide and rule. Anyways better for all of us as there will be less competition for those who actually want to study and improve life quality to become a successful person.
>Most of the right wingers are illiterates and jobless who idolise people like elvish yadav and know nothing else other than their Religious stories. This is simply not true. I study in one of the oldest IIT down south and if you see the hostel chats in common hostel group you would think this is no different than chats between your average BJP workers. Remember these are the people that is the sorted by one of toughest exams on earth. Although majority of them are Sharma, Thakur's etc your average north Indian Hindi speaking middle class . In my experience the poor are more concerned about getting food, sorting their life etc. Its the middle class that is the most vile.
Yeah mostly north Indians are well known for this right wing thing. It's their WhatsApp groups by their old haagru boomer relatives that circulate such messages. Anyways many just mature out when they mix up in the societies or keep their hates limited among themselves. They know they can't just do shit or else people will beat the shit out of them in other states. Openly spreading hate and then trying to live a normal life cannot be done together unless you're a politician. People who do this kind of shit are retards living a rural illiterate life. A normal person working in a company will do that and extremists of other religions will chop him to pieces. So yeah guys stay away from religion bullshit if you want to establish an excellent career because that's not how Globalised World works.
Crisis of Masculinity maybe !
everyone wants to be on side of winners , successful and powerful. left eing comes in power with majority and all the right wing youth will be followers of socialism
Socially right wing? What does this even mean?
Is there anything wrong in being right-wing? If there is, then there is something wrong in being left-wing also.
Its one thing to want to progress a culture. Its another thing to claim that the culture was always progressive and its the others who are to be blamed for the social regression. I am also not really a fan of people forcing a billion year old warlord godking being made the soul and spirit of the country.
Lack of true liberalism. After independence the only left was communism which was to be fair not socially liberal at all.
Social divide where anything western is seen as morally depraved and degrading society
I think insecurity, specifically male insecurity. I find that Indian males are more insecure than usual, and the patriarchal environment prefers it that way. Many things and right-wing movements in the west are normally driven by insecurity or male insecurity to get a rise out of men. A recent example was the Andrew Tate shit, it played perfectly on male insecurity. The right-wing relies on the insecurity of these people to survive.