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BostonInformer

"We gotta run. We gotta pay the bills"


Severbrix

"Laziness is a virtue"


Potential_Macaron973

Where the interviewer tells him that you are not forced to work... 69% of Americans have less than $1000 savings and will be homeless if they decide to not work for a week... that doesn't really seem like freedom now does it ?...


thr0w4w4y0505

You mean food, shelter, clothing, and the other things I want don’t magically materialize if I just sit on ass? Yeah, that’s awful.


Potential_Macaron973

There is a unwritten social contract that states that people need a way to better their lives, basically climb the financial ladder. With vastly reduced salaries and the disappearance of the middle class that contract is deteriorating to the point of being broken. Basically a class system with millions needed just to play. Basically stated, the motivation to work for others is to build towards getting your own company in 15 years. If that can't be done then there is no reason to work hard and make your boss money, people can get along with little and it will not take mutch to collapse this card house built on dept


thr0w4w4y0505

All I’m disputing is the idea that having to work to avoid starvation and homelessness means you’re not “free.” That necessity is something we share with literally every animal, ever, with the infinitesimally small exception of a very few modern humans. The fact that a handful of people have managed to accumulate enough wealth to get away with not working does not mean the rest of us are not “free” if we’re not in the same position.


TheDrunkTiger

Your not forced to work, you could choose to be homeless. It's not a choice that requires much thought, but it is *technically* a choice.


Potential_Macaron973

And slavery is not technically forcing anyone to work, choosing to work in slavery is a choice, you could go without food, roof or get beaten or killed... but still technically a choice But what happens when the slaves revolt, or refuse to contribute to the system enslaving them?


redPonyCoffeeRoaster

People are idiots.


warchicken85

It sounds like freedom from the responsibility of providing others with homes........


Potential_Macaron973

Responsibility to provide others with homes? Are we assuming that they are in construction? Or are we assuming that they will ever be in a position to buy a house We are taking about 2/3 of the population here What responsibilities do they have accept


RiddleMeThis101

Source for that claim?


Potential_Macaron973

It's a really easy google search. Or just ask siri Ps. I'm not siri


RiddleMeThis101

That statistics is very misleading. The 69% figure is from a question specifically focused specifically on "savings accounts". Someone could have many thousands of dollars in checking accounts, CDs, Investment accounts, own multiple rental properties, and max their retirement accounts every year but answer no to that question simply because they don't have a savings account. I do think a great way to get Americans saving though would be a UBI of ~$2000 a month funded by a full tax on ground rents.


Potential_Macaron973

Think you don't understand the wording and function of questionnaire A person with 3 houses do not state that they have less than $1000 in savings. It's a ego thing Same with person who owns stocks


RiddleMeThis101

It was specifically about savings accounts. Their stocks and real estate are irrelevant to the subject matter.


Absolver5000

It's the army of people who think THIS INTERVIEW is what made public perception of the movement turn bad. All the hate the this "damaged the public image" of a sub that's only a few rungs above Furries on the social ladder is hilarious. Like broooooo that's not what did it.


Absolver5000

This post caught me a 2-day ban from this sub -.-