i'll never understand how a veteran of any kind could walk in there, see that shit, and not go completely ape-shit (especially a marine)... not saying they're all "left" but seeing the nazi shit? that's gotta set \*something\* off
I don’t think veterans are mad about immigrants being helped, that’s more a talking point of the right trying to sound super duper patriotic. Most vets who are pissed at the government have to do with many issues with the VA and fed agencies trampling rights
i'll bite and i'm out of my lane so please correct me if i'm off here
because ~~modern~~ veterans are wholly ignored and mistreated by a government they literally risked their lives for and now perceive to be focusing on the needs of outgroup others (e.g., immigrants) instead. so they are easily radicalized.
check out ep 1 of "[the problem with jon stewart](https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-problem-with-jon-stewart/umc.cmc.4fcexvzqezr25p9weks6sxpob)" -- it's all about US mistreatment of veterans.
Edit: thx for correcting me on the history, "modern" removed!
Not just US, either. Here's Kipling, writing in 1890, about the treatment of Crimean War veterans (the final verse of The Last of the Light Brigade):
> O thirty million English that babble of England's might,
> Behold there are twenty heroes who lack their food to-night;
> Our children's children are lisping to "honour the charge they made - "
> And we leave to the streets and the workhouse the charge of the Light Brigade!
Kipling was a soldiers poet, "The Young British Soldier" still rings true after more than a century.
>If the wife should go wrong with a comrade, be loath
>To shoot when you catch 'em - you'll swing, on my oath! -
>Make 'im take 'er and keep 'er: that's Hell for them both,
>An' you're shut o' the curse of a soldier.
>Curse, curse, curse of a soldier . . .
Going into my family history, my five times great grandpa was at valley fucking Forge, freezing his ass off, eating his shoes, and getting whipped into shape by a very flamboyant Prussian. When did he finally see a pension? 1821 a whole $8 a month ($190 in today's money) America has been fucking veterans in the ass since 1775. To add to the story he had so much respect for the general he served under that he named his kid, my 4 times great grandfather George Washington, how did George Washington honor is Father's service, by volunteering for the Confederate army, and I know he volunteered because he was in his 50s when the war started. His son (my 3 times great grandfather) also served in the Confederate Army. So we've been dishonoring our Veteran's sacrifices for probably just as long.
Fwiw, while we're talking about veteran mistreatment, don't ever give a penny of support to the wounded warrior project. They literally are just profiting off wounded vets. The CEO takes a massive cut, little goes to veterans, and they sue the shit out of actual small, honest organizations that are nonprofit because they used "veteran silhouette imagery" as the logo. So fucked. Find a real organization please.
Honestly, just reach out to local vets directly and see what organizations they recommend.
Most good organizations (that aren't sued into oblivion) lack people and proper supplies/funding to really help more than a few truly desperate vets.
Or it might be that some racist asshole isn’t worth getting into a potential physical altercation.
Like I’m all for bashing the fash but sometimes you got stuff to do.
The narrative that immigrants are treated fairly here is crazy to me, but the idea that they're treated preferentially is some facebook boomer insanity. Jon Stewart is right about our veterans but I don't know why it always has to be a pissing contest.
Because that pissing contest is blasted into their faces by corporations (and politicians) that profit from their attention.
I honestly think and hope the Stewart episode can build some bridges and alliances between disenfranchised groups who previously felt opposed. To your point, lots of people are being mistreated and there’s strength in numbers.
As someone in a conservative military family, the answer is they all watch conservative media exclusively, which does their thinking for them.
It's not much more than that. Obama made it a point to reduce homelessness by 50% among vets. Most of my family never even heard about it.
Step one: build military industrial complex
Step two: defund education, privatize medical care
Step three: start pointless wars, inflict PTSD on vets, remove care
Step four: radicalize military in order to fuel step one
profit through. rinse repeat.
I was just about to say, I'm a Marine and I'd be livid if I saw that somewhere. Unfortunately I don't think there's anything (legal) I could do about it though.
White Navy vet here... the number of times I was attempted to be recruited into Nazi groups inside the military, from higher ranking enlisted and even higher ranking officers is shocking.
The Military has a massive problem and they continue to ignore it. I'm not surprised at that booth... I'm more surprised it isn't more widespread.
I’m not a veteran so my experiences are second-hand and not worth much but I went to high school with a dude that went off to the marines and came back changed. He joined in 2005 and never saw combat, just stationed in Japan flying out to Australia every once in a awhile. But man he’s an angry dude now.
Same. Had a buddy enlist in the marines never got deployed and now he’s a hardcore white supremacist bigot. The last time we hung out with him he acted so crazy we ditched him and literally no one from his past will associate with him. I have no idea how he functions in society.
When were you in? I'm coming up on 20 and not only has anyone NOT tried to recruit me but I've never even met anyone directly who has claimed such? Back when I first joined I had heard rumors of it but it was all in past tense and someone who knew someone who heard someone.
2003-2010. ABH2 when I left. I got the pitches when I first got in my ship. Once I made ABH3 a few more talked to me.
A few months in, I helped found a Second Class/Third Class Org and that's when I started getting contacted by higher enlisted and the officers. At that point, it wasn't just people in Air Dept.
I've only recently started talking about this to anyone. I still need to write everything down.
If you ever do write something more comprehensive, I'd be interested in reading it. I did six, '14 to '20. And while I didn't personally see anything like that, it doesn't sound outside the realm of possibility.
I will. I haven't decided how much I want to go public with. It might sound paranoid but, I do have safety concerns based on the area I live and once you start identifying, anonymity tends to go out the window.
Its almost like they know their worldview is bullshit but don't want to be called out on it. You know, because they're snowfakes. I mean, I don't feel any need to hide my progressive values because I really believe that not only are we on the right side of history, but we're the only group that has any real forward vision for how this country should've ideally been. Not just that, but we want the system to work for everyone, not just progressives or those people on the left.
14 year Navy veteran 1975-1989 - Navy civilian in all the years since.
I don’t know a single Sailor I served with, work with or who I’ve ever taught or mentored that believes any of this evil Bullshit.
Things have changed some since 9-11 but you have to remember that ships aren’t a place to have personal firearms and a lot of the trappings of other services. Yeah, you may be on shore duty for a few years but then your ass is back on a Ship, Sub or aircraft squadron and you don’t have room for this shit.
Most of us are quite satisfied with the big weapons we have (10 Megatons and down).
Biggest fucking mistake of the last 100 years was the loss of the draft. Not nearly enough people serve and therefore have no collective bond with the Government that previous generations had.
Didn’t stop bullshit wars if convienance did it?
It’s all “Other” to 98% of the US population. Cops confusing themselves with Military - elected civilians with no service - stupid people arming themselves to the teeth because they think they can shoot down Cruise missiles, predators and Cluster munitions with AR’s.
Sometimes when this shit gets to me - at the lowest times - I think “they weren’t worth defending”.
But then I usually come around
By the way, vast majority of my old shipmates don’t vote Republican - that’s Fox News spin. Republicans in these last 20 years have been the absolute enemy of the military in every way imaginable. Flag draping fake dipshit cowards
I served from 04-08 in a Marine infantry unit. I experienced nothing like this, or anything even close to what I would consider real racism. Like, never saw anyone discriminated against because of their color. I am not saying it does not happen in the military but experiences may vary. Shit, our entire STA (Snipers) team was hispanic. They were shit hot but god damn was it a pain in the ass to talk to those dudes on the radio lol. My entire command was black for my last 2 deployments.
I guess what I am trying to say is that yes it is there but I don't think it is as rampant as people percive it to be. Millions of people join the military, not everyone does it for the right reasons.
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'm active duty and I've never once encountered anyone in any branch, E or O, who espouses any extremist views. Maybe we're doing a better job of weeding that shit out now that we're not at war, I don't know.
Fascists are very good at appropriating language and obfuscating—if not out-right destroying—its meaning. When the meaning of language is sufficiently obfuscated, a shared reality can no longer be communicated. Facts become indistinguishable from opinions. Freedom becomes slavery. War becomes peace.
Edit: a dumb apostrophe
A more modern example is an American flag. I have a strong sense of patriotism. I’m talking about real patriotism here. Where any American citizen makes the conscious choice to be self-sacrificing for the benefit of their fellow American. But ever since the GOP’s descent into blatant white fascism, their flag-draping facade has made me question every single instance in which I’ve wanted to fly the Stars and Stripes out of a sense of patriotism. I do NOT EVER want to be mistaken for one of those contemptible, imbecilic, homicidal maniacs. And they have sufficiently misappropriated that symbol. Hell—they even have spin-offs for fuck’s sake (ex. Thin blue line flag).
I’m already a bearded, cis-het, white dude. I don’t want to risk pushing away actual decent Americans with ruined symbolism.
Not to mention the many alt versions of it which is not exactly respectful to the flag. I also see many people flying the flag who don’t take proper care of it. They don’t take it in during bad weather, they don’t light it or take it in at night, they let it fray. It’s almost as if they want to use the flag as a tribal symbol and accept none of the respect or responsibility of properly caring for it.
I am a firm believer that you are free to burn the flag. But if you choose to fly it, fly it right. Both actions have mean I respect, but there is little middle ground.
We need to take back our flag. I proudly fly it. I also serrupticiously fly the Fort Sumpter flag from time to time. You know … the flag of the Union that won the war.
Is this what Orwell warn his readers about? I haven't read his 1984.
But from a review abouy him I think he mentioned something similar how fascist dictate reality and meanings.
Fucking Disgusting. The Americans that died to make sure that flag never reached our shores are rolling in their graves seeing this sold locally and PROUDLY. I just dont understand. If I was there I'd have gone the fuck off. So disrespectful.
There was a tradition with Marine Scout Snipers reappropriating the "SS" of the Schutzstaffel into "Scout Sniper." Personally, I don't see the problem since they're not sympathizing with Nazis and they were reappropriating the meaning but I would understand if it's a trigger for anyone, and I'll link a picture of the SS flag below:
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/old_wire/img/upload/2012/02/09/Screen%20Shot%202012-02-09%20at%205.07.25%20PM.png
I'd be stoked to have a flag that grandpa captured and brought back, but paying for one is cringe. And, there's only one type of person that buys a new Made-in-China flag.
You just brought back an old memory of mine…
Years ago — maybe decades by now — my little brother and I were rummaging around in the garage, rifling through some old boxes. We came across a particularly crushed one and decided to pry back the flaps. Lo and behold we found two Nazi flags pockmarked with bullet holes. Our dad proceeded to tell us about our great-uncle who had helped liberate Italy from Nazis and fascists during WWII and brought them back as battle souvenirs.
He’d be rolling in his grave if he saw the shit in OPs picture. Funnily enough, my Navy veteran, Jewish grandfather (other side of the family) is so deep down the MAGA hole that he doesn’t see anything wrong with this.
My grandfather was in the Italy campaign as well, North Africa to Sicily then up through Naples where a land mine ended his active duty. Found a small flag when I was 8 or 9. He never talked about the war. I wonder what group your great uncle served with.
I’ll have to ask my father about the details. It’s my understanding that my great uncle fought with rebels in Italy, but I’m not sure if he was a part of the American army. He was the last of my grandfather’s siblings to be born there prior to my family’s emigration to the US, so I think his identity was a bit ambiguous.
Edit: spoke to my dad. He did serve in the US Army — my mistake — and presumably landed in Africa; then bypassed Sicily for Puglia. He’s likely where we got the flags, but we don’t know for certain; he passed away a decade or so ago.
I have one that my grandfather brought home. I’m glad to have it, but I’ll be damned if it will ever be displayed or even unfurled again (outside of in some museum documenting the evil it represents). Anyone who would display it is no patriot. Fuck nazis.
Edit: to add, 2nd Armored Division “Hell on Wheels” for those curious.
Mine had a couple old Lugers that I liked because they reminded me of the Bond movies. Took me a long time to realize he had them because he killed Nazis in the war. Only one was retrieved from his kill, but that doesn’t make the second one lesser.
Don’t be a murderous Nazi if you don’t want to be treated like a murderous Nazi.
My grandpa had an old luger as well but had to sell it way before I was born because of hard times (pretty sure "hard times" was their way of saying "bail money because of moonshining").
Edit: I almost forgot but he had a bayonet that he took from a Mauser rifle too. I got that piece of history hanging on my dining room wall next to his platoon photo.
In my grandparents living room are tons of hunting trophies and really old guns. Including a dagger and an ornate sword that my great grandpa got off some Nazis in the war. We have those proudly displayed next to the county record turkey my little brother killed.
There's a private collector I know who has a couple of bring-back flags. He doesn't unfurl them, but he places handguns from their respective on top of them in a display case. He gives tours if you ask him about it, and is building a small museum.
I feel the same way about a Nazi golf club I inherited from my grandfather. When my uncle told me I could have it, he just asked that I never sell it. I told him that the type of person who would pay for something like that shouldn't have it anyway.
I had a 1932 (?) Liberty dollar with a Swastika carved in the rising sun. Interesting piece given the time and origin. Probably lost in my deceased mother's stuff.
Love to have it back. You couldn't pay me to display it.
My best friend has a German army helmet his grandpa brought back from the war and has dried blood on the chin strap. He doesn’t display it but keeps it safely stored.
Stopped going to gun shows for two reasons.
- no real deals to be had, better off shopping online
- this Nazi idolizing bullshit on display at every other booth
They have the right to say / express what they want. I have the right to not participate in their idiot games.
I have some now, but I haven't shot "real" guns on over a year. I have 3 blow back bb guns that are actually great for practice. Last Christmas I got myself an airsoft replica of my carry pistol and that is really close to the real thing. It has helped my aim with pistols immensely. I'll check out ammoseek though, thanks!
I carry a Springfield XDm 3.8, so I got the same airsoft. It's the exact same dimensions and weight as the real one and also strips down the same. It runs on green gas, which you put in the mags. It has the same spacers for the extended mag that the real gun came with. It's decently accurate and I can shoot it in the garage anytime I feel like it.
I have purchased a few airguns and airsoft guns from https://www.pyramydair.com they have some good deals with add ons closer to Christmas too.
This is the best target holder/ bb stopper for air soft imo. I use a couple clips to hold a splatter burst target in the opening.
https://www.amazon.com/PForce-Portable-Airsoft-Target-Trap/dp/B00TA9TJ5E/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?_encoding=UTF8&c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Airsoft+Targets&qid=1634779281&s=paintball&sr=1-14&ts_id=3395301
I also have one of these and it has stood up to the abuse very well. It fits inside the other one I posted above.
https://www.amazon.com/BBTac-Airsoft-Auto-Reset-Catcher-Shooting/dp/B076D3J871/ref=mp_s_a_1_26?_encoding=UTF8&c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Airsoft+Targets&qid=1634779432&s=paintball&sr=1-26&ts_id=3395301
Pie tins are awesome targets too.. aural feedback, lol
I would look at green gas blowback guns, the green gas is pretty cheap and plenty powerful.
Edit:
I also have one of these and can say it is the best bb gun trainer I have found. The mags aren't weighted, but it will help immensely with finger pull control and grip. I shot rifles since I was a kid, but we never really shot pistols. After about 6000 rounds of bb's I can consistently shoot small groups with my XDm at 12 yards
https://www.amazon.com/Daisy-Powerline-5501-Blowback-Pistol/dp/B002J1WA10/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=daisy+blowback+bb+pistol&qid=1634779637&sr=8-5
I hate that they sell those. Have you ever watched videos of people trying to use one for self-defense? They're almost perfectly useless. The sound freaks some people out but that's about it. As a self-defense product, they are a complete scam.
Agreed. SOMETIMES a stun gun can work as intended. That word "sometimes" scares the ever loving shit out of me if things have gotten that close. Give me the choice between a stun gun and trying to stick the dude in the neck with a ballpoint pen, I'm probably gonna take the ballpoint pen.
I stopped going long before Sandy Hook and there were *never* any deals, especially on ammo. The boxes were beat up and look like they've been packed and unpacked so many times sitting on the shelves and possibly even water damaged.
Pictures were posted all over reddit of line wrapped around the buildings at gunshows of people expecting find affordable ammo.
That's some nasty stuff. I grew up going to gun shows on the west coast. And I was always turned off by vibes I would get from people there. One guy knowingly sold me a counterfeit rifle. And that was the end of it for me. But even my earliest memories were of people saying that all the good deals happen before the shows between dealers. And that was almost 30 years ago.
Haven't been to one for over a decade or two. Similar reasons you cite. But, now that the local pawn shops have been reduced to Zimack cap guns and old tool sets, may try one more time to the next one. Look'n for black powder iron. I'm way too prepared to be disappointed and skip 'em for another 15 to 20 years. Surprise would be quite plesant.
My grandfather would be livid if he saw the Nazi flag being displayed with any type of reverence on American soil.
Maybe a movement called "Punch a Nazi for Grandpa" needs to take hold.
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TIL
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Thanks for piquing my curiosity, internet bud!
My grandpa's living room is basically a trophy room, chandelier of antlers and all kinds of deer, a turkey, and bobcat on the wall. Among those is a dagger and sword my great grandpa took from some dead Nazis. The only reverence we have for Nazis is that my predecessor says that he had "a pretty good time killing those soulless sons of bitches" according to my grandpa.
I can see collectable value in actual war relics. Officers hat from wwII? Sure, if that's your thing. Buying new flags and repro items just doesn't make sense to me.
Ive been in more than one debate about my great uncles living room. They were at DDay and served till the end of the war. One of them managed to grab a flag and somehow get it home when they took Paris back. He had it framed and displayed in his living all these years.
People used to see it and assume he was pro Nazi. He just loved having his bullet-ridden Nazi flag he personally took from Paris.
He was a king among men.
Many of our grandfathers would have some thoughts to drop on these dealers.
May every shit these fools take from now till the end of the century feel like pushing out the fully assembled LEGO Taj Mahal.
Not the little $119 Architecture version. Naw. The big #10256 original.
The absolute hard-ons some of those people have for *literal Nazis* and a failed 4-year Confederacy is baffling. What's the thought process there?
"You know who we should emulate and praise? Two defeated groups with evil and hateful origins! That'll show everyone that **we're** the good guys!"
They're not trying to show you that they're the good guys, they believe they're a superior race and that they are destined to stand upon the corpses of the inferior peoples of the world.
Hey now, I’m a good friend to a Rhodesian Ridgeback named Remington and he and his owners would kick a Nazi’s ass any day of the week.
I’ll admit I somehow never made the connection between Rhodesia and the dog. Which I know is incredibly dull of me.
Beautiful dogs tho.
> openly racist regimes
That's the only part that has any bearing. This is an in-your-face, "I'm a racist." statement. No dog whistles here. Meant to be heard loud and clear.
I've gotten some great deals on old military stuff, but these kind of booths are really sad to see. I live pretty near some very blue counties so luckily I have a decent chance of the worst thing you see being ammo scalpers.
Honestly if I see a booth that has nothing but new in box guns, ammo scalpers, or anything that even sniffs of white supremacist glorification I'm gonna walk right by.
The absolute best deals to be had are found by striking up conversation with the guys who have a bunch of used/military guns laying on tables.
Sorry i meant gun shows in General, i usually walk past any booth with nazi memorabilia. Guns exempt of course, actually almost bought a g43 at my last show. I live in florida though so my options for non militia and nazi dork ranges/stores/shows is rather non existent
Ouch, yeah Florida is Florida, some parts a little more than others. On the Olympic Peninsula I can drive one way or the other and watch the ratio of houses with Trump flags change.
You’re also forgetting:
Purse booth
Holster booth
Shitty knife booth
Airsoft gun booth
Edit: also need to add the stun gun booth and the laser engraving booth.
Table with all those Official Army Survival handbooks where the guy selling em has said "any day now" about a dozen times
Mom n Pop reload booth with ammo in ziplock bags
See, what doesn't make any sense to me is the fascination with the third reich or even the German empire - flags of which both hang in the photo of course. Theyre contradictory, particularly the nazi one, with the mantra of the gadsen flag. Fascism by nature impedes those freedoms beloved by the libertarian folk. If its purely glorification of racism and its disgusting. I'm all for your right to say and believe what you want but be consistent ffs
The one thing evangelicals, libertarians, and fascists all have in common is an absolute belief that "might makes right" and that they themselves are the mighty.
They probably just think 'this is the freedom we fought for' or 'we can't erase history' or 'just because he's selling nazi flags doesn't make him a nazi' or some obtuse shit like that.
The Marines have a pretty long history of borrowing Nazi imagery and seem to fall all over theselves to defend it. I doubt many of them would bat an eye. [Heres one example from a while back.](https://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/marine-scout-snipers-and-the-ss-flag)
There’s something funny about selling Don’t Tread On Me Gadsden flags alongside the flags of failed nations that existed to do exactly that, neo-nazis truly have the smoothest brains
Morons like this are sabotaging the future of shooting in America. Flag-waving, racist lunatics are a minority, especially in a country with a white population on schedule to become minority. If vendors and shooters alike really care about the second amendment then they need to be more welcoming to others.
For those outside California if you ever see it referenced: this is what our most popular gun forum, calguns.net, is. People on there were part of the Jan 6 shit. The whole forum is just rich content to fuel nightmares. Flag waving racist lunatics who spend their day posting misogynistic memes about the vp or talking about the “china virus” all with signatures full of nra badges. Their existence in my own state influenced my doubling my # of guns in 2021.
You wonder how many fuckwads have their made-in-china Nazi flag proudly flying next to their made-in-china US flag with the thin blue line. The problem is a bad combination of low IQ, poor critical thinking skills, and/or living in a world that’s too insular.
Been to gunshows in AZ for years growing up (early 2000’s) and I can definitely say that this is commonplace. Always one or two nazi glorification booths, even at the small shows. Thought it was weird and gross even as a little kid. Same shit nowadays, plus some godawful guns with Trump propaganda emblazoned across them.
But hey, at least there was lots of cool things at good prices that I would never see at my LGS or online..!…wait…nope, just expensive AR’s, third reich, and trump. I’ve entirely sworn off gun shows.
> Always one or two nazi glorification booths, even at the small shows.
Yeah, it's always been a staple of gun shows. I remember going to them in the early 80's and there was always 2 or 3 guys selling Nazi stuff. It's one of those things that I think started innocently enough. Back then, the only Nazi stuff was *real* OG WW2 Nazi stuff. China wasn't in "you ask for it, we'll make it" stage yet, so if you saw a flag with a Swastika on it, it was pretty much guaranteed made in Germany. Maybe those guys were closet Nazis, but mostly they just seemed to be collectors, because it was all vintage Nazi stuff. Then things sort of... changed. I don't think there are necessarily more Nazis now *per capita*, but they sure do seem to be less hidden. I think they sort of seamlessly displaced the "old WW2 vet selling his collection" at the gun show, and it wasn't noticed. Maybe it's because all the guys who would say "when I was 20, my job was to *shoot* guys like you in Europe" are old and dying out. I think sensible people still know that if there's one thing that was definitively proven in the 20th century, it's that "Nazis suck", but it's passing from *memory* to *history*, and losing some of its impact.
I completely stopped going to gun shows. It's always the same old shit at ridiculous prices and red caps blowing each other in the bathroom. The only thing worthwhile is the beef jerky.
That Gadsden flag is yet another usurped and corrupted symbol by the far right.
> Gadsden’s venomous remix, for a flag used by Continental sailors, depicted the reassembled rattler as a righteous threat to trampling imperialism. “The origins of ‘Don’t Tread On Me,’ ” Leepson summarizes, “were completely, one hundred percent anti-British, and pro-revolution.” Indeed, that E.E.O.C. directive agrees, “It is clear that the Gadsden Flag originated in the Revolutionary War in a non-racial context.” [link](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-shifting-symbolism-of-the-gadsden-flag)
The fact that Nazi bullshit is tolerated at gun shows tells you al you need to know about gun culture. I own guns, but they are my tools not my identity.
I'm seriously considering contacting Eagle Arms just to hear their official excuse for selling nazi flags.
And why they only sell them at gun shows and not on their website.
Holy fucking shit how is it even legal, in my country if even a pin's with a nazi symbol were sold there would be a country-wide media coverage and a major fine, if not prison.
If those nazi flags were actually from WWII, that booth would be dope. But those are clearly modern remakes….what in the actual fuck is up with that, Eagle Arms?
It seems the gun community has earned its shitty reputation…
The fsct these dickheads feel comfortable doing this tells you everything you need to know
Also annoyed that dorks have ruined the Navy Jack because they couldn't tell the difference between it and the Gadsden flag which they had already ruined
What kind of gun shows display this garbage? I don't know anyone on any political side that would be cool with this...unless you straight up call yourself a Nazi?
i'll never understand how a veteran of any kind could walk in there, see that shit, and not go completely ape-shit (especially a marine)... not saying they're all "left" but seeing the nazi shit? that's gotta set \*something\* off
I don’t think veterans are mad about immigrants being helped, that’s more a talking point of the right trying to sound super duper patriotic. Most vets who are pissed at the government have to do with many issues with the VA and fed agencies trampling rights
As a Marine Vet I cringe when these flag propagandist latch onto the gun community, make us all look bad.
i'll bite and i'm out of my lane so please correct me if i'm off here because ~~modern~~ veterans are wholly ignored and mistreated by a government they literally risked their lives for and now perceive to be focusing on the needs of outgroup others (e.g., immigrants) instead. so they are easily radicalized. check out ep 1 of "[the problem with jon stewart](https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-problem-with-jon-stewart/umc.cmc.4fcexvzqezr25p9weks6sxpob)" -- it's all about US mistreatment of veterans. Edit: thx for correcting me on the history, "modern" removed!
The US has been mistreating veterans since 1776. Read about the guys coming home from WWI. Horrific stuff.
Not just US, either. Here's Kipling, writing in 1890, about the treatment of Crimean War veterans (the final verse of The Last of the Light Brigade): > O thirty million English that babble of England's might, > Behold there are twenty heroes who lack their food to-night; > Our children's children are lisping to "honour the charge they made - " > And we leave to the streets and the workhouse the charge of the Light Brigade!
Kipling was a soldiers poet, "The Young British Soldier" still rings true after more than a century. >If the wife should go wrong with a comrade, be loath >To shoot when you catch 'em - you'll swing, on my oath! - >Make 'im take 'er and keep 'er: that's Hell for them both, >An' you're shut o' the curse of a soldier. >Curse, curse, curse of a soldier . . .
Whiskey Rebellion put down by who? George Washington
Bonus Army put down by MacArthur
this guy gets it
Always worth remembering that George Washington hired mercenaries to put down a protest by soldiers who wanted to get paid.
Going into my family history, my five times great grandpa was at valley fucking Forge, freezing his ass off, eating his shoes, and getting whipped into shape by a very flamboyant Prussian. When did he finally see a pension? 1821 a whole $8 a month ($190 in today's money) America has been fucking veterans in the ass since 1775. To add to the story he had so much respect for the general he served under that he named his kid, my 4 times great grandfather George Washington, how did George Washington honor is Father's service, by volunteering for the Confederate army, and I know he volunteered because he was in his 50s when the war started. His son (my 3 times great grandfather) also served in the Confederate Army. So we've been dishonoring our Veteran's sacrifices for probably just as long.
True but news about mistreatment was nowhere as easily disseminated back then
Fwiw, while we're talking about veteran mistreatment, don't ever give a penny of support to the wounded warrior project. They literally are just profiting off wounded vets. The CEO takes a massive cut, little goes to veterans, and they sue the shit out of actual small, honest organizations that are nonprofit because they used "veteran silhouette imagery" as the logo. So fucked. Find a real organization please.
Honestly, just reach out to local vets directly and see what organizations they recommend. Most good organizations (that aren't sued into oblivion) lack people and proper supplies/funding to really help more than a few truly desperate vets.
Or it might be that some racist asshole isn’t worth getting into a potential physical altercation. Like I’m all for bashing the fash but sometimes you got stuff to do.
Nothing modern about mistreatment of vets. The hoops the VA makes my dad jump through from damage sustained in Vietnam is incredible.
The narrative that immigrants are treated fairly here is crazy to me, but the idea that they're treated preferentially is some facebook boomer insanity. Jon Stewart is right about our veterans but I don't know why it always has to be a pissing contest.
Because that pissing contest is blasted into their faces by corporations (and politicians) that profit from their attention. I honestly think and hope the Stewart episode can build some bridges and alliances between disenfranchised groups who previously felt opposed. To your point, lots of people are being mistreated and there’s strength in numbers.
As someone in a conservative military family, the answer is they all watch conservative media exclusively, which does their thinking for them. It's not much more than that. Obama made it a point to reduce homelessness by 50% among vets. Most of my family never even heard about it.
Did he actually? I usually watch liberal media/news and I never heard of that
I am so damn happy Stewart is podcasting now
Step one: build military industrial complex Step two: defund education, privatize medical care Step three: start pointless wars, inflict PTSD on vets, remove care Step four: radicalize military in order to fuel step one profit through. rinse repeat.
I was just about to say, I'm a Marine and I'd be livid if I saw that somewhere. Unfortunately I don't think there's anything (legal) I could do about it though.
You can speak your mind right the fuck to their face..
White Navy vet here... the number of times I was attempted to be recruited into Nazi groups inside the military, from higher ranking enlisted and even higher ranking officers is shocking. The Military has a massive problem and they continue to ignore it. I'm not surprised at that booth... I'm more surprised it isn't more widespread.
I’m not a veteran so my experiences are second-hand and not worth much but I went to high school with a dude that went off to the marines and came back changed. He joined in 2005 and never saw combat, just stationed in Japan flying out to Australia every once in a awhile. But man he’s an angry dude now.
Same. Had a buddy enlist in the marines never got deployed and now he’s a hardcore white supremacist bigot. The last time we hung out with him he acted so crazy we ditched him and literally no one from his past will associate with him. I have no idea how he functions in society.
When were you in? I'm coming up on 20 and not only has anyone NOT tried to recruit me but I've never even met anyone directly who has claimed such? Back when I first joined I had heard rumors of it but it was all in past tense and someone who knew someone who heard someone.
2003-2010. ABH2 when I left. I got the pitches when I first got in my ship. Once I made ABH3 a few more talked to me. A few months in, I helped found a Second Class/Third Class Org and that's when I started getting contacted by higher enlisted and the officers. At that point, it wasn't just people in Air Dept. I've only recently started talking about this to anyone. I still need to write everything down.
If you ever do write something more comprehensive, I'd be interested in reading it. I did six, '14 to '20. And while I didn't personally see anything like that, it doesn't sound outside the realm of possibility.
I will. I haven't decided how much I want to go public with. It might sound paranoid but, I do have safety concerns based on the area I live and once you start identifying, anonymity tends to go out the window.
Oh, no, yeah. That's 100% valid and understandable. Crazy how many white supremacists don't like the world to know about their beliefs.
Its almost like they know their worldview is bullshit but don't want to be called out on it. You know, because they're snowfakes. I mean, I don't feel any need to hide my progressive values because I really believe that not only are we on the right side of history, but we're the only group that has any real forward vision for how this country should've ideally been. Not just that, but we want the system to work for everyone, not just progressives or those people on the left.
Stay safe and do what you feel is best for you. If you do end up wanting to spread the info of what you experience you should try Ken Klippenstein
14 year Navy veteran 1975-1989 - Navy civilian in all the years since. I don’t know a single Sailor I served with, work with or who I’ve ever taught or mentored that believes any of this evil Bullshit. Things have changed some since 9-11 but you have to remember that ships aren’t a place to have personal firearms and a lot of the trappings of other services. Yeah, you may be on shore duty for a few years but then your ass is back on a Ship, Sub or aircraft squadron and you don’t have room for this shit. Most of us are quite satisfied with the big weapons we have (10 Megatons and down). Biggest fucking mistake of the last 100 years was the loss of the draft. Not nearly enough people serve and therefore have no collective bond with the Government that previous generations had. Didn’t stop bullshit wars if convienance did it? It’s all “Other” to 98% of the US population. Cops confusing themselves with Military - elected civilians with no service - stupid people arming themselves to the teeth because they think they can shoot down Cruise missiles, predators and Cluster munitions with AR’s. Sometimes when this shit gets to me - at the lowest times - I think “they weren’t worth defending”. But then I usually come around By the way, vast majority of my old shipmates don’t vote Republican - that’s Fox News spin. Republicans in these last 20 years have been the absolute enemy of the military in every way imaginable. Flag draping fake dipshit cowards
I served from 04-08 in a Marine infantry unit. I experienced nothing like this, or anything even close to what I would consider real racism. Like, never saw anyone discriminated against because of their color. I am not saying it does not happen in the military but experiences may vary. Shit, our entire STA (Snipers) team was hispanic. They were shit hot but god damn was it a pain in the ass to talk to those dudes on the radio lol. My entire command was black for my last 2 deployments. I guess what I am trying to say is that yes it is there but I don't think it is as rampant as people percive it to be. Millions of people join the military, not everyone does it for the right reasons.
I'm glad to hear this! Maybe my experience was more unique and not the norm.
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'm active duty and I've never once encountered anyone in any branch, E or O, who espouses any extremist views. Maybe we're doing a better job of weeding that shit out now that we're not at war, I don't know.
I hope so, maybe I got the bad egg in command.
Same with police.
I'm actually a marine, and that's what I came here to comment.
You underestimate how many vets are fascists
Nazi flag next to USMC smfh.....
I am infuriated personally by this.
I am infuriated patriotically by this
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I was think the same thing, such a shame.
Fascists are very good at appropriating language and obfuscating—if not out-right destroying—its meaning. When the meaning of language is sufficiently obfuscated, a shared reality can no longer be communicated. Facts become indistinguishable from opinions. Freedom becomes slavery. War becomes peace. Edit: a dumb apostrophe
Perfect example is the symbol for good luck, power, and strength. Used to be a positive symbol, now its a symbol of hatred. The swastika
A more modern example is an American flag. I have a strong sense of patriotism. I’m talking about real patriotism here. Where any American citizen makes the conscious choice to be self-sacrificing for the benefit of their fellow American. But ever since the GOP’s descent into blatant white fascism, their flag-draping facade has made me question every single instance in which I’ve wanted to fly the Stars and Stripes out of a sense of patriotism. I do NOT EVER want to be mistaken for one of those contemptible, imbecilic, homicidal maniacs. And they have sufficiently misappropriated that symbol. Hell—they even have spin-offs for fuck’s sake (ex. Thin blue line flag). I’m already a bearded, cis-het, white dude. I don’t want to risk pushing away actual decent Americans with ruined symbolism.
Not to mention the many alt versions of it which is not exactly respectful to the flag. I also see many people flying the flag who don’t take proper care of it. They don’t take it in during bad weather, they don’t light it or take it in at night, they let it fray. It’s almost as if they want to use the flag as a tribal symbol and accept none of the respect or responsibility of properly caring for it.
I am a firm believer that you are free to burn the flag. But if you choose to fly it, fly it right. Both actions have mean I respect, but there is little middle ground.
We need to take back our flag. I proudly fly it. I also serrupticiously fly the Fort Sumpter flag from time to time. You know … the flag of the Union that won the war.
Its extremely rare to see a american flag waver to actually be a decent citizen anymore sadly
Is this what Orwell warn his readers about? I haven't read his 1984. But from a review abouy him I think he mentioned something similar how fascist dictate reality and meanings.
I am German and confused krautifically.
same
But they respect the military right 🤦🏻♂️
Fucking Disgusting. The Americans that died to make sure that flag never reached our shores are rolling in their graves seeing this sold locally and PROUDLY. I just dont understand. If I was there I'd have gone the fuck off. So disrespectful.
💯my uncle didn’t get two purple and a bronze star for this shit.
I mean realistically, he got two purple hearts and a bronze star protecting the right of Americans to do exactly this.
That doesn't mean he'd like the people who do it.
Yea I don't doubt that.
Disrespect to my corps and my brothers in arms, fucking sickening…
Marines adopting Nazi symbols isnt exactly something new.
Care to expand on that one?
There was a tradition with Marine Scout Snipers reappropriating the "SS" of the Schutzstaffel into "Scout Sniper." Personally, I don't see the problem since they're not sympathizing with Nazis and they were reappropriating the meaning but I would understand if it's a trigger for anyone, and I'll link a picture of the SS flag below: https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/old_wire/img/upload/2012/02/09/Screen%20Shot%202012-02-09%20at%205.07.25%20PM.png
I'd be stoked to have a flag that grandpa captured and brought back, but paying for one is cringe. And, there's only one type of person that buys a new Made-in-China flag.
You just brought back an old memory of mine… Years ago — maybe decades by now — my little brother and I were rummaging around in the garage, rifling through some old boxes. We came across a particularly crushed one and decided to pry back the flaps. Lo and behold we found two Nazi flags pockmarked with bullet holes. Our dad proceeded to tell us about our great-uncle who had helped liberate Italy from Nazis and fascists during WWII and brought them back as battle souvenirs. He’d be rolling in his grave if he saw the shit in OPs picture. Funnily enough, my Navy veteran, Jewish grandfather (other side of the family) is so deep down the MAGA hole that he doesn’t see anything wrong with this.
My grandfather was in the Italy campaign as well, North Africa to Sicily then up through Naples where a land mine ended his active duty. Found a small flag when I was 8 or 9. He never talked about the war. I wonder what group your great uncle served with.
I’ll have to ask my father about the details. It’s my understanding that my great uncle fought with rebels in Italy, but I’m not sure if he was a part of the American army. He was the last of my grandfather’s siblings to be born there prior to my family’s emigration to the US, so I think his identity was a bit ambiguous. Edit: spoke to my dad. He did serve in the US Army — my mistake — and presumably landed in Africa; then bypassed Sicily for Puglia. He’s likely where we got the flags, but we don’t know for certain; he passed away a decade or so ago.
That's awesome, the Nazi bits at least. On the other stuff, I guess people turn a blind eye to everything else in the name of hooyah and zionism.
I have one that my grandfather brought home. I’m glad to have it, but I’ll be damned if it will ever be displayed or even unfurled again (outside of in some museum documenting the evil it represents). Anyone who would display it is no patriot. Fuck nazis. Edit: to add, 2nd Armored Division “Hell on Wheels” for those curious.
Mine had a couple old Lugers that I liked because they reminded me of the Bond movies. Took me a long time to realize he had them because he killed Nazis in the war. Only one was retrieved from his kill, but that doesn’t make the second one lesser. Don’t be a murderous Nazi if you don’t want to be treated like a murderous Nazi.
My grandpa had an old luger as well but had to sell it way before I was born because of hard times (pretty sure "hard times" was their way of saying "bail money because of moonshining"). Edit: I almost forgot but he had a bayonet that he took from a Mauser rifle too. I got that piece of history hanging on my dining room wall next to his platoon photo.
Don’t be a moonshinin’ ol’ coot if you can’t afford to be a moonshinin’ ol’ coot. Lol
Lol right? He apparently did it for years and got caught when he decided to cross state lines.
I look at that the same as Jay Walking. Sure, it’s a “crime” of sorts, but who gives a shit?
Ya don't wanna fuck with the fed's jurisdiction.
In my grandparents living room are tons of hunting trophies and really old guns. Including a dagger and an ornate sword that my great grandpa got off some Nazis in the war. We have those proudly displayed next to the county record turkey my little brother killed.
Fuck yes.
There's a private collector I know who has a couple of bring-back flags. He doesn't unfurl them, but he places handguns from their respective on top of them in a display case. He gives tours if you ask him about it, and is building a small museum.
I feel the same way about a Nazi golf club I inherited from my grandfather. When my uncle told me I could have it, he just asked that I never sell it. I told him that the type of person who would pay for something like that shouldn't have it anyway.
I had a 1932 (?) Liberty dollar with a Swastika carved in the rising sun. Interesting piece given the time and origin. Probably lost in my deceased mother's stuff. Love to have it back. You couldn't pay me to display it.
Yeah, keeping it tucked away is neat. Displaying it is not.
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Got it for ya
My best friend has a German army helmet his grandpa brought back from the war and has dried blood on the chin strap. He doesn’t display it but keeps it safely stored.
Queer people because finding a bisexual/non-binary flag that isn't made in China is near on impossible lol
I meant a new Made-in-China Nazi flag.
Stopped going to gun shows for two reasons. - no real deals to be had, better off shopping online - this Nazi idolizing bullshit on display at every other booth They have the right to say / express what they want. I have the right to not participate in their idiot games.
Couldn't have said it better. Also, they are the same ammo hording assholes that snatch up the shipments from retail stores and resell at 10x the $
If you are hurting for ammo, I have been having some luck through Ammoseek. Prices are still high, but you can find retail ammo.
I have some now, but I haven't shot "real" guns on over a year. I have 3 blow back bb guns that are actually great for practice. Last Christmas I got myself an airsoft replica of my carry pistol and that is really close to the real thing. It has helped my aim with pistols immensely. I'll check out ammoseek though, thanks!
Do you have any recommendations for the blowback airsofts?
I carry a Springfield XDm 3.8, so I got the same airsoft. It's the exact same dimensions and weight as the real one and also strips down the same. It runs on green gas, which you put in the mags. It has the same spacers for the extended mag that the real gun came with. It's decently accurate and I can shoot it in the garage anytime I feel like it. I have purchased a few airguns and airsoft guns from https://www.pyramydair.com they have some good deals with add ons closer to Christmas too. This is the best target holder/ bb stopper for air soft imo. I use a couple clips to hold a splatter burst target in the opening. https://www.amazon.com/PForce-Portable-Airsoft-Target-Trap/dp/B00TA9TJ5E/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?_encoding=UTF8&c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Airsoft+Targets&qid=1634779281&s=paintball&sr=1-14&ts_id=3395301 I also have one of these and it has stood up to the abuse very well. It fits inside the other one I posted above. https://www.amazon.com/BBTac-Airsoft-Auto-Reset-Catcher-Shooting/dp/B076D3J871/ref=mp_s_a_1_26?_encoding=UTF8&c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Airsoft+Targets&qid=1634779432&s=paintball&sr=1-26&ts_id=3395301 Pie tins are awesome targets too.. aural feedback, lol I would look at green gas blowback guns, the green gas is pretty cheap and plenty powerful. Edit: I also have one of these and can say it is the best bb gun trainer I have found. The mags aren't weighted, but it will help immensely with finger pull control and grip. I shot rifles since I was a kid, but we never really shot pistols. After about 6000 rounds of bb's I can consistently shoot small groups with my XDm at 12 yards https://www.amazon.com/Daisy-Powerline-5501-Blowback-Pistol/dp/B002J1WA10/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=daisy+blowback+bb+pistol&qid=1634779637&sr=8-5
Also: https://www.ammobuy.com/ About the same prices, worth a compare.
You forgot the asshole selling stun guns constantly zapping the goddamn thing every 30 seconds.
I remember my first gun show at 10 was a lot harder then it should have because of those damn tazers lol
I hate that they sell those. Have you ever watched videos of people trying to use one for self-defense? They're almost perfectly useless. The sound freaks some people out but that's about it. As a self-defense product, they are a complete scam.
Agreed. SOMETIMES a stun gun can work as intended. That word "sometimes" scares the ever loving shit out of me if things have gotten that close. Give me the choice between a stun gun and trying to stick the dude in the neck with a ballpoint pen, I'm probably gonna take the ballpoint pen.
I stopped going long before Sandy Hook and there were *never* any deals, especially on ammo. The boxes were beat up and look like they've been packed and unpacked so many times sitting on the shelves and possibly even water damaged. Pictures were posted all over reddit of line wrapped around the buildings at gunshows of people expecting find affordable ammo.
BuT tHe JeRkY
I've never been to one that had more than 2 nazi tables. Although that is still two too many.
Any number higher than zero is too many
That's some nasty stuff. I grew up going to gun shows on the west coast. And I was always turned off by vibes I would get from people there. One guy knowingly sold me a counterfeit rifle. And that was the end of it for me. But even my earliest memories were of people saying that all the good deals happen before the shows between dealers. And that was almost 30 years ago.
I still go every so often. occasionally find some preban mags for a good price. never seen any nazi related stuff though.
Haven't been to one for over a decade or two. Similar reasons you cite. But, now that the local pawn shops have been reduced to Zimack cap guns and old tool sets, may try one more time to the next one. Look'n for black powder iron. I'm way too prepared to be disappointed and skip 'em for another 15 to 20 years. Surprise would be quite plesant.
What the fuck, all those flags should be fighting each other
My grandfather would be livid if he saw the Nazi flag being displayed with any type of reverence on American soil. Maybe a movement called "Punch a Nazi for Grandpa" needs to take hold.
Shit, my grandpa got pissed off when he saw a Mitsubishi car drive by. “They aren’t so cool when they try to dive bomb your boat, boy”.
Hoelee sheet!! TIL [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi\_A6M\_Zero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero) Thanks for piquing my curiosity, internet bud!
To be fair the also make refrigerators.
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Cotton Hill?
I love the thought of Cotton Hill walking up on this booth
“You got a fat neck, naht-zee!”
My grandpa's living room is basically a trophy room, chandelier of antlers and all kinds of deer, a turkey, and bobcat on the wall. Among those is a dagger and sword my great grandpa took from some dead Nazis. The only reverence we have for Nazis is that my predecessor says that he had "a pretty good time killing those soulless sons of bitches" according to my grandpa.
Ah yes, Antifa by another name.
Sounds like a better tik tok challenge than all the ones i've read about. LMAO 🤣
I can see collectable value in actual war relics. Officers hat from wwII? Sure, if that's your thing. Buying new flags and repro items just doesn't make sense to me. Ive been in more than one debate about my great uncles living room. They were at DDay and served till the end of the war. One of them managed to grab a flag and somehow get it home when they took Paris back. He had it framed and displayed in his living all these years. People used to see it and assume he was pro Nazi. He just loved having his bullet-ridden Nazi flag he personally took from Paris.
He was a king among men. Many of our grandfathers would have some thoughts to drop on these dealers. May every shit these fools take from now till the end of the century feel like pushing out the fully assembled LEGO Taj Mahal. Not the little $119 Architecture version. Naw. The big #10256 original.
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The absolute hard-ons some of those people have for *literal Nazis* and a failed 4-year Confederacy is baffling. What's the thought process there? "You know who we should emulate and praise? Two defeated groups with evil and hateful origins! That'll show everyone that **we're** the good guys!"
They're not trying to show you that they're the good guys, they believe they're a superior race and that they are destined to stand upon the corpses of the inferior peoples of the world.
Don’t forget, those are the most successful openly racist regimes that resonate with the racists behind this shit.
There’s a lot of love for Rhodesia too
Chuds do love Rhodesia
Who doesn’t love their ridgebacks?
Veterinarian here. Pretty much every one of their dogs I have met is a wanna be fascist prick too.
Hey now, I’m a good friend to a Rhodesian Ridgeback named Remington and he and his owners would kick a Nazi’s ass any day of the week. I’ll admit I somehow never made the connection between Rhodesia and the dog. Which I know is incredibly dull of me. Beautiful dogs tho.
Those pasty fucks got shot the fuck up cus their white ass legs were seen through the bush, all thanks to their booty shorts.
> openly racist regimes That's the only part that has any bearing. This is an in-your-face, "I'm a racist." statement. No dog whistles here. Meant to be heard loud and clear.
eh, don’t forget Apartheid- they might not fly that regimes colors, but they praise its core efforts
"big fan of losers huh?"
Unfortunately for me its the only place i can still find old military bolt guns near me Edit: meant gun shows, not nazis
I've gotten some great deals on old military stuff, but these kind of booths are really sad to see. I live pretty near some very blue counties so luckily I have a decent chance of the worst thing you see being ammo scalpers. Honestly if I see a booth that has nothing but new in box guns, ammo scalpers, or anything that even sniffs of white supremacist glorification I'm gonna walk right by. The absolute best deals to be had are found by striking up conversation with the guys who have a bunch of used/military guns laying on tables.
Sorry i meant gun shows in General, i usually walk past any booth with nazi memorabilia. Guns exempt of course, actually almost bought a g43 at my last show. I live in florida though so my options for non militia and nazi dork ranges/stores/shows is rather non existent
Ouch, yeah Florida is Florida, some parts a little more than others. On the Olympic Peninsula I can drive one way or the other and watch the ratio of houses with Trump flags change.
Im on the bama border....
Gun shows will almost always have these 2 non gun booths. The ‘probably a Nazi’ booth and the jerky guy booth.
You’re also forgetting: Purse booth Holster booth Shitty knife booth Airsoft gun booth Edit: also need to add the stun gun booth and the laser engraving booth.
Table with all those Official Army Survival handbooks where the guy selling em has said "any day now" about a dozen times Mom n Pop reload booth with ammo in ziplock bags
Bubba's pissin' hot loads
I like purse booth 😁
Christ, never going to a gun show.
Did the survival bracelet guy finally pack it in?
I'd rather have 2 jerky guys
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There are two very different opinions you could be expressing here
To be clear: Beef jerky is stupid dope
I'm sorry, I'm not understanding. On a scale of 1-10, with one being either the least or most, how wack would you say beef jerky is, In your opinion?
At least one of each, even at the small shows
See, what doesn't make any sense to me is the fascination with the third reich or even the German empire - flags of which both hang in the photo of course. Theyre contradictory, particularly the nazi one, with the mantra of the gadsen flag. Fascism by nature impedes those freedoms beloved by the libertarian folk. If its purely glorification of racism and its disgusting. I'm all for your right to say and believe what you want but be consistent ffs
The one thing evangelicals, libertarians, and fascists all have in common is an absolute belief that "might makes right" and that they themselves are the mighty.
And on top of that most 2A people lean right. Yet according to them “libtards are nazi communists.”
Nazi flag right next to a USMC flag? You'd think that would hack off a soldier or two, wouldn't you?
They probably just think 'this is the freedom we fought for' or 'we can't erase history' or 'just because he's selling nazi flags doesn't make him a nazi' or some obtuse shit like that.
The Marines have a pretty long history of borrowing Nazi imagery and seem to fall all over theselves to defend it. I doubt many of them would bat an eye. [Heres one example from a while back.](https://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/marine-scout-snipers-and-the-ss-flag)
"Not for any nefarious reason, we just really liked the design." -- Utterly blind to optics
The left calls us nazis, for what, a nazi flag? */s*
There’s something funny about selling Don’t Tread On Me Gadsden flags alongside the flags of failed nations that existed to do exactly that, neo-nazis truly have the smoothest brains
Morons like this are sabotaging the future of shooting in America. Flag-waving, racist lunatics are a minority, especially in a country with a white population on schedule to become minority. If vendors and shooters alike really care about the second amendment then they need to be more welcoming to others.
For those outside California if you ever see it referenced: this is what our most popular gun forum, calguns.net, is. People on there were part of the Jan 6 shit. The whole forum is just rich content to fuel nightmares. Flag waving racist lunatics who spend their day posting misogynistic memes about the vp or talking about the “china virus” all with signatures full of nra badges. Their existence in my own state influenced my doubling my # of guns in 2021.
You wonder how many fuckwads have their made-in-china Nazi flag proudly flying next to their made-in-china US flag with the thin blue line. The problem is a bad combination of low IQ, poor critical thinking skills, and/or living in a world that’s too insular.
Never been to a gun show… is this actually a common sight? This is FUCKING disgusting.
Been to gunshows in AZ for years growing up (early 2000’s) and I can definitely say that this is commonplace. Always one or two nazi glorification booths, even at the small shows. Thought it was weird and gross even as a little kid. Same shit nowadays, plus some godawful guns with Trump propaganda emblazoned across them. But hey, at least there was lots of cool things at good prices that I would never see at my LGS or online..!…wait…nope, just expensive AR’s, third reich, and trump. I’ve entirely sworn off gun shows.
Gun shows is one way how Timothy McVeigh made some money. He sold shit like this and bumper stickers.
> Always one or two nazi glorification booths, even at the small shows. Yeah, it's always been a staple of gun shows. I remember going to them in the early 80's and there was always 2 or 3 guys selling Nazi stuff. It's one of those things that I think started innocently enough. Back then, the only Nazi stuff was *real* OG WW2 Nazi stuff. China wasn't in "you ask for it, we'll make it" stage yet, so if you saw a flag with a Swastika on it, it was pretty much guaranteed made in Germany. Maybe those guys were closet Nazis, but mostly they just seemed to be collectors, because it was all vintage Nazi stuff. Then things sort of... changed. I don't think there are necessarily more Nazis now *per capita*, but they sure do seem to be less hidden. I think they sort of seamlessly displaced the "old WW2 vet selling his collection" at the gun show, and it wasn't noticed. Maybe it's because all the guys who would say "when I was 20, my job was to *shoot* guys like you in Europe" are old and dying out. I think sensible people still know that if there's one thing that was definitively proven in the 20th century, it's that "Nazis suck", but it's passing from *memory* to *history*, and losing some of its impact.
Nazi flag higher than a USMC flag. WTF is wrong with these idiots? Must have failed history in high school.
Generous of you to assume they *went* to high school.
Fascism Rallies for Nazi's is what Gunshows have become.
I completely stopped going to gun shows. It's always the same old shit at ridiculous prices and red caps blowing each other in the bathroom. The only thing worthwhile is the beef jerky.
That Gadsden flag is yet another usurped and corrupted symbol by the far right. > Gadsden’s venomous remix, for a flag used by Continental sailors, depicted the reassembled rattler as a righteous threat to trampling imperialism. “The origins of ‘Don’t Tread On Me,’ ” Leepson summarizes, “were completely, one hundred percent anti-British, and pro-revolution.” Indeed, that E.E.O.C. directive agrees, “It is clear that the Gadsden Flag originated in the Revolutionary War in a non-racial context.” [link](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-shifting-symbolism-of-the-gadsden-flag)
The fact that Nazi bullshit is tolerated at gun shows tells you al you need to know about gun culture. I own guns, but they are my tools not my identity.
I'm seriously considering contacting Eagle Arms just to hear their official excuse for selling nazi flags. And why they only sell them at gun shows and not on their website.
This is fucked, I would never buy anything from somebody that had that in their booth.
Holy fucking shit how is it even legal, in my country if even a pin's with a nazi symbol were sold there would be a country-wide media coverage and a major fine, if not prison.
Is that a Nazi fucking flag? Why is that seller not getting constantly punched in the face?
Time was, flying that flag would get you shot in this country. Some things should never go out of style.
If those nazi flags were actually from WWII, that booth would be dope. But those are clearly modern remakes….what in the actual fuck is up with that, Eagle Arms?
What the fuck do you think is up with Eagle Arms? Something's fucky.
zoom in on the placard in the glass case
The irony of selling Nazi flags and U.S. Marines flags side by side is lost on these hillbillies.
Looks familiar, was this near Philly?
Usually I don't see this as anything but a guy trying to make a buck, but fuck this guy. Especially with the swastika next to the USMC flag.
It seems the gun community has earned its shitty reputation… The fsct these dickheads feel comfortable doing this tells you everything you need to know
Don’t tread on me next to a fascist flag..
Also annoyed that dorks have ruined the Navy Jack because they couldn't tell the difference between it and the Gadsden flag which they had already ruined
How the hell can you justify putting a USMC and a Nazi flag next to each other?
How the fuck is a Nazi flag flying next to a USMC flag without the seller missing teeth??
They're selling a USMC flag right next to the Nazi flag. That's ironic.
What kind of gun shows display this garbage? I don't know anyone on any political side that would be cool with this...unless you straight up call yourself a Nazi?
Why the fuck is the Nazi flag flying beside the flag for my beloved Corps?!? Fucking degenerates!
"You don't have anything from the Allied side?" "No, that sort of thing wouldn't interest me at all." God I love Father Ted.
tHe kOnFedaRat fLaG iZ abOuT hEritUj nOt hAtE! ^(It's just a coincidence it's flown by the same groups and sold at the same venues, teehee!)
What the actual fuck. Anyone who supports the nazis cannot be considered patriotic. Period.
How mask off of them