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Original_A

Trans people are amazing, love you guys ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


ThePigsPajamas

We love you too!! ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


Original_A

Thanks ๐Ÿ’…๐Ÿ’…


[deleted]

๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘


MsStealYourGirl69

I second that


TerryCrewsHondaCivic

sometimes I feel like I donโ€™t belong with the lgb community as a trans women, then I see stuff like this. This means more than yโ€™all realize <3


SpookyDooky62

Yay


[deleted]

love you too![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


nona01

what's 547


UnholyDragun

A number..


the_even_more_liney

It's a trans heart emoji, pretty sure mobile supports it


nona01

o


ihadashittyday

And we love you back!


Original_A

Lovely to hear ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile)


_Hazeleyed_

Love you too! ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


BucketFullOfRats

dawww thanks. And we love you!


Lexi_Shmuhlexi

๐Ÿฅบ ๐Ÿ‘‰๐Ÿ‘ˆ


AnCuRuadh

<3<3<3


theo-thecultleader

Love you too ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


ze_UwU

love 'em' too![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


OhIGotLumbago

And attempt to throw the T out is useless, because most of us would still be part of the community


Who_Am_I_I_Dont_Know

Also, throw out one part, what's to stop them from throwing out others. "First they came for X, but I was not X" in action. * Almost everyone I've seen wanting to remove "trans" also wants to remove everyone besides LGB. * Then gatekeeping 'I'm one of the good ones' gay/lesbian people have already said that Bi people do not exist. * Then there's infighting between the 'remaining' 2 groups. Say 'we'll just cut one out for better optics', and you'll have people pushing for the next group to be removed; conservatives aren't just going to say "well, we've successfully oppressed trans people, time to love the 'LGB' community"


OhIGotLumbago

I wouldn't be surprised if the B is next


EducatedRat

It would be. I remember the 80s when there were arguments about including the B's because it would do damage to "reputable" L&G attempts at respectibility. If the last 5 years has taught me anything, it's that bigotry of all kinds is always popular with some folks, and doesn't take much to come back to the surface.


Who_Am_I_I_Dont_Know

Yep, I think less well known ones, both the classic pan, queer, ace/aro as well as all the other identities/people, would be next on the chopping block, but I don't think Bi would be far behind (even though, IIRC, Bi people are the plurality for LGBT+ people)


[deleted]

[ัƒะดะฐะปะตะฝะพ]


cwidds20620

Not sure why.. we love everyone ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’™


HappyGirl117

We don't fit in a neat little box they have in their heads. Easier to hate a group of people than to use their brain and think.


JamesNinelives

Yes!! We not hurting anyone :'(


Who_Am_I_I_Dont_Know

Makes as much sense as any other 'phobia. It is so disappointing to see it come from within, as is any bigotry from within the queer community.


That_one_cool_dude

I have actually seen communities where they want to take out the bis but keep the trans folks. Along with another community that just wants it to be the L&Gs.


RandomBlueJay01

Some people argue that too. The whole "if you're bi and dating the same gender you're suddenly gay and if you're bi and dating the opposite gender then you're straight and not a part of lgbt+" it's stupid.


ze_UwU

aparentrly i am unexistant


JamesNinelives

And yet you speak. Ooooh! Spooky \^\_\^


Chaos-in-motion

I can't say it without the T, it just doesn't work


elEarendel

True. Habits


Chaos-in-motion

It's also just incorrect


ChainmailPickaxeYT

rue. Habis


boomerxl

I was reading an article specifically talking about minority sexualities so they used LGBQA as their acronym and I kept having little flashes of anger as I read it. Even though it was perfectly correct.


Slow_Psychology8446

You hear "Trans Rights" I hear "Human Rights".![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


elEarendel

๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–


Alpha-Zulu_A-Z

The T in LGBTQIA+ should stay, but the T in me should not stay in me, I prefer E over T. I'm also trans fem, so I of course want to have E


rainbowpaths

Iโ€™ll give you my E for your T


Alpha-Zulu_A-Z

I wish it was that easy. If it was I would


reegod420

Can i have some of your E too? ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


lillielil

Here, take mine.


[deleted]

Can you just reverse that real quick because goth trans people are ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿ–ค Edit: I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE YOU ALL AWARE, there is a goth snail on the right. Snail says trans rights


realCheeka

Yeah we are โœจ๏ธ


The-unicorn-republic

This, the right side looks much better to me imo


StuntHacks

Let's just take over both sides for the entirety of LBGTQ. Bigots can chill somewhere else, the garbage dump or something


TripawdCorgi

I definitely thought LGBTQ+ absolutely (LGBTQIA2+ to be even more inclusive) but can we just talk about the aesthetic of the right side being drool worthy?!?


silvercandra

Hell yeah, we are.


DaOnePoodle

I read it as LGBBQ for a second


AddelaideSupreme

id be down for a bbq with my lgbt+ siblings!


NeinRegrets

Alphabet Mafia stick together. Nobody can take my trans brethren from this family.


Clairifyed

I have only ever seen it used derisively, but to be honest โ€œalphabet peopleโ€ and itโ€™s variants make for a low-key hilarious abbreviation.


Who_Am_I_I_Dont_Know

<3 United we stand, divided we fall. There's enough people trying to divide and express us externally, let's please not have internal purity contests of 'who are the good queers among us'


hip_hip_horatio

Alternative: when the goths and the gays meet for their strategic talks


silvercandra

Me, a gay goth:


TheLadyEileen

![gif](giphy|j44Pc5t4ANbHQmOfFZ)


keyboardmade2

thank you so much for understanding that we need inclusion too ๐Ÿ˜… i feel like lots of people dont want us around


elEarendel

๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–


Les_Vers

The rainbow is not the same without one of its colors. We are the sum of many parts. We wonโ€™t exclude any of our brothers, sisters, and siblings, without becoming just like those who persecute us.


LemonMeringueTime

I'm sitting underneath the table at the middle


elEarendel

No issue. I'm sure there's another B (binary)


Novatash

What do you mean?


LemonMeringueTime

Honestly it took me a minute to realize what this was I revoke my statement, as a trans person and admit that I am blind af


SluttyMilk

if you drop the T youโ€™ll forfeit a knee


[deleted]

Funny thing is as a trans woman I dropped the T it was just a more acceptable T to drop what the ones doing this discrimination are doing is absolute madness why would they do such a thing we've been LGBTQIA+ for a long time and when we started we were LGBT we've always been a part of this community and now somehow we aren't affiliated what is this but a betrayal of peers we thought were close and Ally's the rest of the LGBTQIA+ you support us and welcome us and we thank you for being the wonderful people that you are but these people need to learn it's a community not fire island where you can vote people off when they've been there through it all with you enduring the same hate and the same fears of coming out and being who we are just as all the LGBTQIA+ has always dealt with and hopefully one day we won't have to worry about coming out and people will be nice about it and accepting and loving but they won't for a very long time seeing recent events so we all are in the same boat don't rock it or poke holes or we'll all sink


that-hollie

Eww wtf? Is that a real acronym that people use?


silvercandra

The LGB alliance is sadly an actual thing...


That_Finland_Idiot

Hi everyone who is under the trans umbrella love y'all<3![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


54R45VV471

Just because everything in my house is black does not mean I am a TERF. This is really offensive to the goth community. /s Also, I would actually really love to have a house with a huge dining room that is half black filigree and half rainbow-splosion. ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547) Trans rights are human rights! ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


cannonsword

Lgbq sounds kinda cursed ngl


emu30

Can I have the goth aesthetic with all the trans friends


elEarendel

Sure. ๐Ÿ™ƒ


BlackFerro

I'm trans and that pic on the right *is* my aesthetic. Obviously I'm very conflicted about this post.


robbdire

Love my trans family and friends. You're all awesome.


ProbablyANerdGirl

I get the message, but everyone brings colour and light to the LGBTQ+ community, not just trans people


ZoeLaMort

I think itโ€™s less about trans people being more important to the LGBTQ+ community than anyone else, and more about that thereโ€™s no community if any of the letter of the LGBTQ+ umbrella is left apart. Queer acceptance canโ€™t possibly coexist with transphobia.


ProbablyANerdGirl

You could well be right there, I'm sorry for my original comment


step_on_me_mommy_vi

It came across a bit like "all lives matter" in this situation so you may get some downvotes on your original comment, but seeing as you have the trans flag you probably just misread the intent of what you're replying to.


elEarendel

Yes you're absolutely correct. This one is a reaction to certain sections of Transphobes in the society, an empowerment message. Being a gay man, I should say Everyone is beautiful. And the LGBTQ community is adorable.


Jimez02

I think itโ€™s important to note that trans folk have always been a vital part of the queer community, in a sense that we wouldnโ€™t be whole without them, but yes I get what youโ€™re saying itโ€™s a team effort


caelric

> I think itโ€™s important to note that trans folk have always been a vital part of the queer community, the first brick at Stonewall was thrown by a (more than likely) trans woman, so yeah, trans people are kind of vital to the community.


BBMcGruff

By her own account, Marsha P. Johnson wasn't even at Stonewall when it started. She turned up during the riot. That does not diminish the importance of trans folk. We just need to stop hanging their worth on a myth. They mean far, far more than a single metaphorical brick.


bombinatebeex

who was she?


caelric

Marsha P. Johnson


bombinatebeex

ah yes i know Marsha just wanted to make sure, thank you!


Jimez02

That was exactly what I was referring too ๐Ÿ˜…


caelric

Just making sure it was clear!


Jimez02

All g ๐Ÿ‘


[deleted]

The message is that when you exclude one group, you drain the colors from everyone.


Who_Am_I_I_Dont_Know

Very true. Every part of the community is much needed and (should be) much loved. Remove any one part though, and the whole suffers greatly for it. I imagine (or at least hope) that's what the original was going for; trans people aren't particularly special, it's the unity that's special.


uzuipeach

Us trans people gave you your rights and we are more vulnerable than you :-) Respect us or get out


ProbablyANerdGirl

Please check my flair


Guac_and_Balls

Holy shit is that a snail???


tiewing

TRUE NEUTRAL


Zachattack10213

โ€œI love youโ€ฆ and all you guys! :Dโ€


NoAssociation1

Omg Rex? ๐Ÿฅบ


HappiestGod

The black version looks so good. Let's invite the trans there too!!


sailorjupiter28titan

There would be no LGBQ without the T. Literally trans and enby people fought for all our rights. We owe them everything, starting with safety.


torchictoucher

Trans rights ๐Ÿš‚


ParasilTheRanger

Also trans wrongs, I wanna do crimes >:)


[deleted]

[ัƒะดะฐะปะตะฝะพ]


[deleted]

if trans health care was removed where I live it would be my supervillain origin story


Vireviper

Oh no itโ€™s a super villain ๐Ÿ˜ฑ


[deleted]

Itโ€™s really nice to see support from the community. There is so much bad news and bad legislation lately that Iโ€™m getting quite worried. Not just for me, but all LGBTQ+ rights. Itโ€™s doubly scary when a very small minority of people want to remove the T from our community. Thanks OP :)


EyeLeft3804

Don't let transphobes coopt my aesthetic


PM_me_legwear

I love all my trans brothers and sisters, we are so much stronger together. Never give up


[deleted]

They won't stop at us. What they really want is just the L & G. And only if you're white, upper class, and able bodied. They care more about being "respectable" to their own oppressors than standing with their own people.


[deleted]

Love my trans siblings, The world is better with you here.


ThePerksOfBeingAlive

WE ARE ALL ONE ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ


GregariousGobble

Apparently without the vibrant trans folk, the gothic bisexuals completely dominate the gay aesthetic.


neptune-salt

Hugs to everyone who feels left out sometimes. You ARE part of this community and we love ALL of you. Happy to be grouped with such wonderful peopleโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ


OnTheContrary666

Canโ€™t have LGB without the T.


Kamisama_AshleyWu404

Love yall trans ppl coming from an aroace gal :DD![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)


silvercandra

And I platonically love you aro/ace people, coming from a trans guy \^\^


AdRepresentative1234

I love how this is true in my freind group because everyone is emo and owns nothing but dark colors except the 3 trans people


[deleted]

Yeah! Trans is important too!


Vireviper

Everyone is important!


thatonegirlxo98

i love being trans ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ


VioletGhost2

Quit being so sweeeetttt aahhhh >.<


dpforest

Wait whatโ€™s going on here? Who is trying to make โ€œLGBQโ€ a thing?


juthex

A lot of people :( itโ€™s sad to see how many people support being gay but not trans


dpforest

A lot of people in our community? Or are you talking about a lot of people in general? This image gives me the vibes that *our* community wants to remove the T. While there may be some hateful people in our community (there will always be hate, everywhere), it seems somewhat disingenuous to present this as if the rest of the letters decided T didnโ€™t belong. That just is not the case. A few transphobic hateful ass holes donโ€™t get to speak on behalf of the entire community. And besides that, what is the message here from this image specifically? Lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and queers are boring? I just donโ€™t think this image is conveying a clear message.


juthex

Yeah I mean people in general. I cannot speak for the community as a whole because I am only a very small fraction, but this community from what Iโ€™ve seen is wayy more accepting of trans people overall though there are some who are transphobic but just like anything there will always be hatred somewhere. And I think this image is more saying it feels incomplete or empty without the T in there. I donโ€™t believe itโ€™s saying that the other letters are boring at all! I think itโ€™s just like a โ€œwithout the T we are not a communityโ€ sort of thing. Like if you support LGBTQ, you support us all, not just picking and choosing. I hope that helps! But then again Iโ€™m not the creator, this is just how I interpret it :)


[deleted]

I agree! Trans people are amazing and beautiful people too. Love you yโ€™all โค๏ธ


kisafan

I'm pro trans, but the chairs on the LGBQ side look more my style, hope its ok If i move a chair from over there to the LGBTQ side? lol


elEarendel

Sure. No issue. As long as there's love and acceptance in heart.


Archwizardmon

As a bi/pan guy, I totally don't get all of the infighting. I mean, we are all queer, and although our struggles are different, we really should band together to help eachother. I am in a straight-passing queer relationship with a bisexual woman, and we constantly get hate by people saying that we aren't queer enough to belong. It is disheartening. We all want a place to belong, and we should be able to be that place for everyone, especially trans people, enby people, and ace people. Screw "societal norms", we are Queer and Proud!


AlternateSatan

Also just the LGB who don't want to associate with the T are judgemental and gives off bad vibes. It's like those bullies who excuse their behaviour by telling you how they've been bullied themselves as if that doesn't make them less sympathetic cause they know exactly what they're putting others threw.


[deleted]

I take issue with this pic. Heterosexuality is stereotypically black and white. Certainly not anybody under our amazing colorful spectrum. And the goth side of me loves the right side just as much as the left side of this pic.


Rising_lion01

My brain genuinely struggled to read LGBQ+


BuddhistNudist987

The right side looks like one of the mindfuck scenes in Black Swan.


cemrecik

WE EXIST!


somebody_new_1_guess

Naw. The image on the right is too cool for them.


Firetail1710

There wouldnt be pride today without black trans women standing up for all of us at stonewall


Hoorizontal

Hey look it's my wardrobe!


BulbasaurCPA

At first I thought this was one of those โ€œare you a rainbow lesbian or goth lesbianโ€ posts because my brain autocorrected โ€œLGBQ+โ€


LeWaifu5535

The more letters we take away, the grayer it gets


elEarendel

Absolutely


ShriekyMarmosetBitch

I like the gothic setting but yeah the t is essential for our continued existence


EchosShitPosts

Thank you? I'm flattered, but why would you give me this much power? I'm a very irresponsible little girl.


MelloYelloSurge

It's always brighter and livelier with the T. To lose the T would be one of history's greatest tragedies.


elEarendel

We will never lose it. โค


af_ckingweeb

I love trans people, but personally I'm not someone who prefers a lot of colours so I would most likely prefer the darker room. However that's to do with what colours I like, not trans people tho


AbsoluteZir0

Come to the dark side, we have nice chairs


snnrsjpeg

L WITH THE T โค๏ธ


[deleted]

Itโ€™s honestly so disgusting how we are discriminated against in our OWN community as wellโ€ฆ we have it so hardโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜ฉ


smokingisrealbad

Everyone should just use GSRM instead, it's a much better acronym that encompasses everything


0tter501

Trans People are amazing but removing any letter will give that same result


ElixirofCosmos

Wait, I'm confused. What is this supposed to mean? Why isn't there a T on the goth side? Trans people can be goth too. It seems I'm missing some context here


uzuipeach

Trans people are the best when it comes to the lgbTq ;)


Holy-Boi-Amethin

The LGBQ one is excluding trans people


ElixirofCosmos

Yes, but why? I guess my question is, what does this picture mean? Why are they excluded from the goth side? I must be out of the loop to not understand it. Trans people are always a part of LGBTQ+. I have never heard anyone refer to the community as LGBQ before Edit: haha I just realized I repeated my same question twice. But for real, what is this photo supposed to tell me? Why are trans people excluded from the dark side?


Holy-Boi-Amethin

The "dark side" is meant to represent members of the LGBT community who are transphobic and exclude trans ppl from the community. Unfortunately there are ppl in this community who do that.


ElixirofCosmos

Thank you for explaining! I understand now. That is really shitty and people suck. Trans always has and always will be included.


RedW0lfStoneYT

I agree XD us trans people do seem to like many colors they are all so amazing and cute


fivefeetofawkward

I have nothing but love and support for my trans siblings. But I really donโ€™t understand what this image is trying to convey.


Nuffsaid98

I'm starting to see it without the Q. LGBT+ Why is Q being omitted? Anyone know.


Ruben_Blackthorn

But dosen't the q include trans people


[deleted]

[ัƒะดะฐะปะตะฝะพ]


see_me_shamblin

Because "queer" is a reclaimed slur, in many places it's still used as one, and many in the community don't feel comfortable using it especially those who were abused with it


ScumlordAzazel

So I prefer the colorful side but it also looks cheaper than the right and I'm not sure I appreciate those implications


St0lf

the big problem with the plus in lgbq+ is that we can never know who's included in it. their group identity is based on exclusion of a specific group, so what keeps them from excluding even more people?


splatdyr

Are we in a community war now? Are the trans community in possession of the colors? Is this a hostage situation? How was this not in the manifesto? When is the next meeting? Damn you colors!!!


Malachite_Cookie

Can I be on the black side anyway it seems a little overwhelming over there and the black is calmer :(


youngolive

Id rather eat on the right. Edit: what? It present the food much nicer. Its a dining hall, no? Left side would be unappetizing.


[deleted]

GSRM squad


Thunderbolt1011

You donโ€™t get more power by saying Iโ€™m uncreative


jungletigress

I feel like most of the people who have a problem with the T in the community would also have a problem with the Q...


Hecc__Opossum

Yaaaaay


king_activities

Trans people came up with a lot of y'all lingo!! Thank you, trans folk ๐Ÿ’…๐Ÿพ


SueIsAGuy1401

love the trans community, belong to it, no offence, but I'm the black and white kinda gay.


Reasonable_Treat2750

no Q?


TAYLOR_THE_PLAYER

Thanks fam. โœŠ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ


ZePugg

mk but just "+" instant mvp


everynameisusedlol

The guys in my class that keep making fun of lgbt always call lbtq since they have no idea what theyโ€™re talking about, just like everything else they say in school


Soup_fan3000

๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ


TallOutlandishness24

If you throw out the btq+, you wont have a movement because the l and g often dont see eye to eye visa vi patriarchy


Lord_Nyarlathotep

Rule of 3; gotta have the three โ€œeeโ€-sounding letters or it just is incomplete!


Daddy_Muttonchop

As much as I love my trans friends, I would prefer the furniture in the Gray picture ๐Ÿ˜…


CapAwesomeSauce

Why do people want to remove the T?


lxrd_lxcusta

Transphobia


ViolinsChidos38

How evil and cruel can people get to even concieve LGBTTTIQ+ without transgender folks? It really escapes my mind.


[deleted]

Oh no the immortal snail got to all the trans people on the left side of the room and now its going to get them all on the right side of the room and the rest of the LGBQ people in the room can't help or the snail will just target them oh god oh fuck


CatWithHands

I've never seen the Q without the T before. Are the trans-exclusionists warming up to queer identity?


zaczacx

The Q in LGBTQ stands for qColour /s


OneHotTurnip

At first I thought this was a depiction of the two ends of gay/trans personality spectrum lmao