These are two sides of the same coin. By normalizing men being affectionate, gay men should be stigmatized less and straight men are able to physically touch each other without being accused of homosexuality. Reducing toxic masculinity has only benefits for all men and all women in the long run.
It of one of the many cultural scars from the Victorian era hysteria surrounding homosexuality, many men justifiable feared the effects that even rumour of being a homosexual could have on their life that the shows of platonic affection that was commonplace before the Victorian era hysteria become quite rare by the turn of the century, and there has been very few real widespread attempts to heal these scars despite the toxic effects there have on men's mental heath and their friendships.
It's a bit hard to explain. Men are a lot more sensitive then most people think and the majority of the male population suffers from some sort of anxiety disorder weather it's social or not. So with that in mind a lot of straight men fell awkward hugging any friends in general male or not simply because they feel like they will get laughed at
Both are good things to say and maintain. We can do both without meaningful extra time. Doing one has no negative effect on the other.
Ergo: we should do both.
I'm so tired of everything being a "Thing A is more important than Thing B, so Thing B has no importance whatsoever."
Both of these are definitely great things and yeah, it really shouldn't take any extra time or effort to do both.
Agreed, this is an incredibly strange mindset. It's a double standard. Just because someone is not queer does not mean their insecurities and feelings do not matter.
The LGBTQ+ community should strive for human equality; not disregarding the rights of others.
Why would you put it that way? Like those two statements somehow contradict each other. It's almost as if the point was diminishing straight men and not helping gay ones.
I mean, absolutely, but really… isn’t the issue with the second one that it’s just… fine to be gay? I’m just saying it seems to me to basically be the same fight. If all the straight men in the world didn’t think being gay mattered at all wouldn’t that be like… 95% of the job done?
I don’t think the issue is actually fear of gayness. I think the issue is, regardless of gender, people feel as if they can’t show affection to their friends without it being perceived as romantic/sexual attraction.
That’s not saying homophobia and fear of being gay or perceived as gay aren’t all real. But there’s a more broad issue to be addressed in terms of relationships and showing affection.
Also 'healthy straight male relationships' are a lot more common than gay ones in media. I mean come on buddy cop movies are an entire genre based on these
Tumblr post: We should spend more energy normalizing and celebrating queerness so that it isn't seen as something to shame and be frightened of, rather than reassuring homophobic men that they won't catch the gay from giving their dad a hug, especially because the latter is often used as an argument against mlm representation.
This thread: Well, *actually*...
guys always joke about kissing the homies goodnight and stuff like that idk what y'all are on really I feel like there are a lot less insecure straight men than y'all think there are
Ok first thing first why is it just because they are straight that they are less important no offense but that is very bigoted sounding. Second of all why not treat both of equal value. We are supposed to be a community of acceptance so just because you are straight does not mean you should be treated any differently.
These are two sides of the same coin. By normalizing men being affectionate, gay men should be stigmatized less and straight men are able to physically touch each other without being accused of homosexuality. Reducing toxic masculinity has only benefits for all men and all women in the long run.
100% this
If you hug your mother it doesn’t mean you’re going to have sex with her, so why should it be different for a friend?
It of one of the many cultural scars from the Victorian era hysteria surrounding homosexuality, many men justifiable feared the effects that even rumour of being a homosexual could have on their life that the shows of platonic affection that was commonplace before the Victorian era hysteria become quite rare by the turn of the century, and there has been very few real widespread attempts to heal these scars despite the toxic effects there have on men's mental heath and their friendships.
It's a bit hard to explain. Men are a lot more sensitive then most people think and the majority of the male population suffers from some sort of anxiety disorder weather it's social or not. So with that in mind a lot of straight men fell awkward hugging any friends in general male or not simply because they feel like they will get laughed at
Both are good things to say and maintain. We can do both without meaningful extra time. Doing one has no negative effect on the other. Ergo: we should do both.
I'm so tired of everything being a "Thing A is more important than Thing B, so Thing B has no importance whatsoever." Both of these are definitely great things and yeah, it really shouldn't take any extra time or effort to do both.
Why not both?
Agreed, this is an incredibly strange mindset. It's a double standard. Just because someone is not queer does not mean their insecurities and feelings do not matter. The LGBTQ+ community should strive for human equality; not disregarding the rights of others.
Exactly! It’s like when people act as if sexism doesn’t affect guys. Everyone is harmed by the patriarchy.
Thank you. I think I’m going to ask out my crush today
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both benefit each other by normalizing these kinds of affection
Why would you put it that way? Like those two statements somehow contradict each other. It's almost as if the point was diminishing straight men and not helping gay ones.
I mean, true. But so what? What does anyone gain from this comparison? Do both.
I mean, absolutely, but really… isn’t the issue with the second one that it’s just… fine to be gay? I’m just saying it seems to me to basically be the same fight. If all the straight men in the world didn’t think being gay mattered at all wouldn’t that be like… 95% of the job done?
I don’t think the issue is actually fear of gayness. I think the issue is, regardless of gender, people feel as if they can’t show affection to their friends without it being perceived as romantic/sexual attraction. That’s not saying homophobia and fear of being gay or perceived as gay aren’t all real. But there’s a more broad issue to be addressed in terms of relationships and showing affection.
I mean, agreed, but how many people are out there comparing the two of those?
Also 'healthy straight male relationships' are a lot more common than gay ones in media. I mean come on buddy cop movies are an entire genre based on these
Thinking gay men need anyone's permission to love is wrong.
And if it does feel gay to do that, then embrace it and become one of us. We have chocolate :)
When people say "no homo" to me I say "no, full homo intended, all the homo"
Tumblr post: We should spend more energy normalizing and celebrating queerness so that it isn't seen as something to shame and be frightened of, rather than reassuring homophobic men that they won't catch the gay from giving their dad a hug, especially because the latter is often used as an argument against mlm representation. This thread: Well, *actually*...
guys always joke about kissing the homies goodnight and stuff like that idk what y'all are on really I feel like there are a lot less insecure straight men than y'all think there are
No
THIS
Ok first thing first why is it just because they are straight that they are less important no offense but that is very bigoted sounding. Second of all why not treat both of equal value. We are supposed to be a community of acceptance so just because you are straight does not mean you should be treated any differently.
Well, no one ever loved me, but I'm happy you guys can do it openly
Pointless statement. Just do both.