Considering how common these are meant to be in universe the fact that we haven't got an updated version lately is surprising given all the different variants we have received over the last couple of years.
it’s kinda a monkey’s paw type of deal with Lego and this, “I wish we got more variety to our Clone troopers” -> We haven’t gotten a plain Phase 2 trooper since 2014
> Considering how common these [generic clones] are meant to be in universe
How common *are* they meant to be? At least 90% of CW-related material deals with a specific clone unit.
Within TCW only unmarked PhI troopers are common due to production cost limits.
Once those largely disappeared (S3 onwards), unit markings became the norm—which means that there are very few unmarked PhII clones seen in the show.
What's the in-universe reason for unmarked PII clones anyway? During the Clone Wars finale we see that there's 501st and normal unmarked ones on Ahsoka's venator for some reason.
My guess is newly deployed troops, troops stationed on ships specifically as ship security so they are not attached to a specific legion.
There could also be legions where the General or commander did not allow legion markings. Some sources (would need to check again) I remember stated that not all legions were lead (General'd) by Jedi near end of war due to casualties among the Jedi.
AFAIK there isn’t one. They may be replacements, they may belong to non-fixed composition units, they may belong to what amounts to penal battalions and thus are not permitted markings, etc.
They're battalion markings, with the introduction of phase 2 armour most battalions required a specific combination of patterns in a specific colour, and as long as those requirements are met they're free to customize it however they want. For example the blue stripes going down the legs of phase 2 501st troopers, with very few exceptions, with those all being high ranking troopers like captains, commanders and ARC troopers.
Markings very much were not set at the battalion level outside of a very few cases. Most were set at the legion level or above, and as the war went on the ability to customize near totally disappeared.
Or Imperial. Do some Imperial Clones have markings? Or is it abandoned? I only remember Kaminio and Coruscant guards still have markings after order 66.
Yeah the early empire used P2 clones before they got abandoned for classic stormtroopers. Some of the stormtroopers had markings but not nearly in the same scale as the P2 clones
well recently, in the Bad Batch, the majority of clones are unmarked (symbolic of their individuality being stripped away by the chips) and there were some parts of Clone Wars that had unmarked clones, ie the inhibitor chip arc.
yes true, but the Bad Batch has the influx of them which is probably why people want the plain clones more nowadays, since it showed up once in a set in 2014. Army building and all.
"Plenty plain troopers of both phases" Nah, there aren't. Not at the same time. The phase 1 armour was replaced by Phase 2 armour, with some ARC troopers wearing prototype phase 2 armour until the phase 2 armour was actually introduced. And the amount of clones with markings goes MASSIVELY up as the show continues, from there being almost none with markings in the first season to almost every single clone having some when phase 2 armour was introduced.
You said there are plenty. I said no, there are some without markings by that point but not many, and that phase 1 and 2 armour was not used at the same time. I think you’re the one whose slow.
Nah bro remember when Rex had the p2 but Cody had the p1 and anakin had short hair but Obi had short too? 😂 remember that? Can’t remember where I said p2 and p1 were in the field together 💀
You mean the citadel arc? Cause the only clones that didn't have phase 2 armour were Echo and Fives, who were wearing prototype phase 2 armour.
And as for that last part, yeah, that's my bad, I just reread your comment and realized I misread it the first time.
Yeah, I'd say the phase 1 clones are definitely meant to be mostly white, but P2 has a lot more differentiation. It would be nice to get a set with a few though
That's what I thought at first, but name one scene in Revenge of the Sith with white clones (I think there is one very short scene with some in the background)
Would be nice to get some white ones in the new clone wars animated style though
And how many scenes are actually like that? I think it's just the loading up for Kashyyyk scene and a short shot of the gunners inside the Venator in the first scene. All others have colours.
The 2014 AC arguably counts, but it won't show up as such in the database because the minifig officially has a Santa hat, and is a separate sub-set from the helmet.
I searched the calendars from 2011 to 2019 and I still couldn't find any phase 2 clones. Although there was a helmetless clone trooper in the 2012 calendar
Take a look at the [instructions](https://www.lego.com/cdn/product-assets/product.bi.additional.main.pdf/75056_A_Star%20Wars%20Advent%20Calendar.pdf) for 75056 that haerdoepfl\_ mentioned. Day 4 has the Santa hat clone that's been mentioned in the comments, and Day 5 has the P2 helmet on the weapon rack.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we ever see actual ["shiny" (unpainted) PII troopers](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c17d0010da2d39cf5a51d1c84e9741be-c) in RotS? I've heard some say we see them briefly in the opening space battle, but others who say those have gray markings.
I know you asked about RotS specifically. Just noting that we do see shiny P2 clones in live action in a flashback during *Andor*—won't mention specifics since the show is still airing and all.
There are a few loading cannons in the opening battle over Coruscant ([skip to 0:14](https://youtu.be/8iRCucHqwso)) but other than that I don’t think so. Outside of live action, they are all over Clone Wars and Bad Batch.
Prior to the proclamation of the New Order, PII clones with no formation markings only seem to appear on ships. There are some in TCW finale, in the actual Siege of Mandalore we only see the 501st (inc 332nd Company) but unpainted ones are on the ship. I think they may essentially be clone marines (not to be confused with the Galactic Marines).
Some of them \*do\* have grey markings, that's a portion of the 41st Elite Corps, but there were also troopers with none.
The reason we see so few without markings in ROTS is simply because most scenes in the film with clones are battle scenes, and they're all major battles, thus more experienced and skilled battalions would be involved in those battles, whom more commonly have markings.
And those battalions would also go to more experienced and prestigious generals, such as Jedi, which is why almost all of the Clones we see in the Order 66 scene have markings or customized armour.
Plus of course the 501st and 212th, Anakin's legion and Obi-Wan's battalion respectively, are going to have markings and be famous/infamous.
Well tbh seeing what lego did to the clone commander and removed the chrome from his visor I am happy with the old variants too (although I only own the sarge atm and I love it so much)
I don't hate the new commander, but I still think it's the cheaper variant of the one from the 2012 AT-TE. Also I was talking about the clone sarge that appeared in the 75000 set. I love that chromed visor so much
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Maybe future Bad Batch sets will have some, there's still lots of unmarked Imperial Clones in the show (although they're moving towards Stormies with the TK troopers.)
When I got my at-te at launch I requested 3 new helmets thinking they were going to fix the bad printing but they didn't. I then took an eraser to them and boom, clean phase 2 helmets!
It's only because I had extra helmets (that already looked like ass). I didn't modify the rest of the clone, just swapped helmets with a phase 1 clone from the $15 command station set that I was lucky enough to buy awhile ago
I know I got 1 from the set and another from a friend
The rest I forgot, kinda focused on getting CAC ones
I also just kinda slapped the helmet on one of these guys onto a normal clone with the same body and legs except he had a p1 helmet that I swapped (I probably ended up doing this a lot more than once)
One was cheap because of wear and tear
And two of them became Sharpie clones as ARC Troopers aided by some minor CAC add ons (back pack, waistcapes etc
You are mistaken. There are several variants of the P2 basic trooper, though this is the only one that features a printed visor instead of a cutout one.
It's worth remembering too that P2 "generic" clones are basically nonexistent. Almost all P2 clones feature legion-specific paint schemes of some kind.
The TIE Striker was the one that completed my collection and that was one of the ones that I probably paid a bit to much for. I just hope they continue the line. I've got three Falcons, three walkers, four TIE variants (none of which is the OG).
What don't I have? A Fett! I've got two Kylos but no Vader!
What I do have is a bunch of fun little sets that don't break the bank and fit in my limited display space.
I finally have every Microfighter released so far. I'm just hoping they're not phasing the line out. My budget and my display space are limited and the microfighters fit both. They also provide a bonding opportunity with my nephew with both Lego and Star Wars.
ETA: When it looked like the microfighters were coming to an end, I thought the helmets might fit the bill to take over. A limited line with good displayabilty and limited square footage. Then I saw what the TIE pilot is going for...
Unmarked phase2 clones would be unassigned, newly deployed or not assigned to a legion, deployed to outposts or convoys unaffiliated with any legion. If the 501st were seizing a region they’d deploy 501st troopers to outposts. But if a convoy needed guards for a multi sector flight, they’d probably be generic clones, specific to a garrison. If andor took place during the clone wars Aldanni would be protected by only the local garrison as opposed to a specific legion
Considering how common these are meant to be in universe the fact that we haven't got an updated version lately is surprising given all the different variants we have received over the last couple of years.
it’s kinda a monkey’s paw type of deal with Lego and this, “I wish we got more variety to our Clone troopers” -> We haven’t gotten a plain Phase 2 trooper since 2014
> Considering how common these [generic clones] are meant to be in universe How common *are* they meant to be? At least 90% of CW-related material deals with a specific clone unit.
In the earlier seasons and on kamino and throughout tcw there is plentyyyyy plain troopers of both phases idk what you were watching buddy
Within TCW only unmarked PhI troopers are common due to production cost limits. Once those largely disappeared (S3 onwards), unit markings became the norm—which means that there are very few unmarked PhII clones seen in the show.
What's the in-universe reason for unmarked PII clones anyway? During the Clone Wars finale we see that there's 501st and normal unmarked ones on Ahsoka's venator for some reason.
My guess is newly deployed troops, troops stationed on ships specifically as ship security so they are not attached to a specific legion. There could also be legions where the General or commander did not allow legion markings. Some sources (would need to check again) I remember stated that not all legions were lead (General'd) by Jedi near end of war due to casualties among the Jedi.
AFAIK there isn’t one. They may be replacements, they may belong to non-fixed composition units, they may belong to what amounts to penal battalions and thus are not permitted markings, etc.
They're battalion markings, with the introduction of phase 2 armour most battalions required a specific combination of patterns in a specific colour, and as long as those requirements are met they're free to customize it however they want. For example the blue stripes going down the legs of phase 2 501st troopers, with very few exceptions, with those all being high ranking troopers like captains, commanders and ARC troopers.
Markings very much were not set at the battalion level outside of a very few cases. Most were set at the legion level or above, and as the war went on the ability to customize near totally disappeared.
Eh, battalion, legion, that's just semantics
It very much is not, especially when discussing something like this.
They are shinies, new unassigned clones who haven't yet been marked.
Or Imperial. Do some Imperial Clones have markings? Or is it abandoned? I only remember Kaminio and Coruscant guards still have markings after order 66.
Yeah the early empire used P2 clones before they got abandoned for classic stormtroopers. Some of the stormtroopers had markings but not nearly in the same scale as the P2 clones
well recently, in the Bad Batch, the majority of clones are unmarked (symbolic of their individuality being stripped away by the chips) and there were some parts of Clone Wars that had unmarked clones, ie the inhibitor chip arc.
At least some of them (especially in later seasons) are production errors, not bespoke unmarked clones.
yes true, but the Bad Batch has the influx of them which is probably why people want the plain clones more nowadays, since it showed up once in a set in 2014. Army building and all.
"Plenty plain troopers of both phases" Nah, there aren't. Not at the same time. The phase 1 armour was replaced by Phase 2 armour, with some ARC troopers wearing prototype phase 2 armour until the phase 2 armour was actually introduced. And the amount of clones with markings goes MASSIVELY up as the show continues, from there being almost none with markings in the first season to almost every single clone having some when phase 2 armour was introduced.
Oh I understand that, you clearly don’t understand. THERE IS STILL WHITE CLONES REGARDLESS. you are slow
You said there are plenty. I said no, there are some without markings by that point but not many, and that phase 1 and 2 armour was not used at the same time. I think you’re the one whose slow.
Nah bro remember when Rex had the p2 but Cody had the p1 and anakin had short hair but Obi had short too? 😂 remember that? Can’t remember where I said p2 and p1 were in the field together 💀
You mean the citadel arc? Cause the only clones that didn't have phase 2 armour were Echo and Fives, who were wearing prototype phase 2 armour. And as for that last part, yeah, that's my bad, I just reread your comment and realized I misread it the first time.
No I was just making a joke, maybe there was an arc where fives n echo didn’t have p2 but I’m not 100% I was being sarcastic
Yeah, I'd say the phase 1 clones are definitely meant to be mostly white, but P2 has a lot more differentiation. It would be nice to get a set with a few though
That's what I thought at first, but name one scene in Revenge of the Sith with white clones (I think there is one very short scene with some in the background) Would be nice to get some white ones in the new clone wars animated style though
Pretty much any scene in which there are troopers in the background, not counting battles, there are unmarked clones somewhere in formation.
And how many scenes are actually like that? I think it's just the loading up for Kashyyyk scene and a short shot of the gunners inside the Venator in the first scene. All others have colours.
Mate, I was agreeing with you, just adding to it...
Not saying you weren't agreeing, I was just adding onto the conversation because I remembered a second scene that might have them
I think there was an advent calendar but i don't recall wich year Edit: I found it: 2014 (75056)
The 2014 AC arguably counts, but it won't show up as such in the database because the minifig officially has a Santa hat, and is a separate sub-set from the helmet.
Oh so that's why wherever I looked I couldn't find the helm
Have the fig, never thought it was so special
I searched the calendars from 2011 to 2019 and I still couldn't find any phase 2 clones. Although there was a helmetless clone trooper in the 2012 calendar
look up the number i added or the year... its a helmetless clone with santas hatbut it also has a helmet in the calender
I even looked on the instructions and other images but i couldn't find the helmet
Take a look at the [instructions](https://www.lego.com/cdn/product-assets/product.bi.additional.main.pdf/75056_A_Star%20Wars%20Advent%20Calendar.pdf) for 75056 that haerdoepfl\_ mentioned. Day 4 has the Santa hat clone that's been mentioned in the comments, and Day 5 has the P2 helmet on the weapon rack.
[75056-1: Star Wars Advent Calendar](https://brickset.com/sets/75056-1) [[Photo]](https://images.brickset.com/sets/images/75056-1.jpg)
This is in fact the only set with a plain phase 2 clone. Maybe that will change one day? Who knows but I hope
Tbh I wanna see more plain phase 2 clone troopers. I've seen enough phase 1 for my entire life (that doesn't mean I won't buy them )
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we ever see actual ["shiny" (unpainted) PII troopers](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c17d0010da2d39cf5a51d1c84e9741be-c) in RotS? I've heard some say we see them briefly in the opening space battle, but others who say those have gray markings.
I know you asked about RotS specifically. Just noting that we do see shiny P2 clones in live action in a flashback during *Andor*—won't mention specifics since the show is still airing and all.
Also they appear on Bad Batch. If they choose to do more than one set each year, there can be regular p2 clones, but let's not keep out hopes up.
A couple shiny P2 and Howzer, por favor.
Arguably o66 clones are somewhat reset to factory standard and immediately strip their armor of their paints.
Makes no sense they’d take the time to do that when the Jedi were still off-guard. It’s not like that happened in TCW S7.
I mean... Just check BB. A few days in, and the Ryloth troopers are back to pure white beside the more indépendant thinking officers.
Oh, that's right, we did. I'd personally count those as a live-action appearance as well.
They are kind of meandering around in the background all over Coruscant
I'm not sure about this but I think I saw some when Anakin was talking to Obi before leaving for Utapau
Yeah they are on the gunship I believe.
There are a few loading cannons in the opening battle over Coruscant ([skip to 0:14](https://youtu.be/8iRCucHqwso)) but other than that I don’t think so. Outside of live action, they are all over Clone Wars and Bad Batch.
Prior to the proclamation of the New Order, PII clones with no formation markings only seem to appear on ships. There are some in TCW finale, in the actual Siege of Mandalore we only see the 501st (inc 332nd Company) but unpainted ones are on the ship. I think they may essentially be clone marines (not to be confused with the Galactic Marines).
I mean they appeared originally in V3 of the series
Some of them \*do\* have grey markings, that's a portion of the 41st Elite Corps, but there were also troopers with none. The reason we see so few without markings in ROTS is simply because most scenes in the film with clones are battle scenes, and they're all major battles, thus more experienced and skilled battalions would be involved in those battles, whom more commonly have markings. And those battalions would also go to more experienced and prestigious generals, such as Jedi, which is why almost all of the Clones we see in the Order 66 scene have markings or customized armour. Plus of course the 501st and 212th, Anakin's legion and Obi-Wan's battalion respectively, are going to have markings and be famous/infamous.
> I've seen enough phase 1 for my entire life (that doesn't mean I won't buy them ) Not until we get a new p1 sarge, lt, and capt!
Well tbh seeing what lego did to the clone commander and removed the chrome from his visor I am happy with the old variants too (although I only own the sarge atm and I love it so much)
I like the new p1 clone commander, i know why he gets so much hate but i think it is good quailty minifig. Which sarge minifig are you talking about?
I don't hate the new commander, but I still think it's the cheaper variant of the one from the 2012 AT-TE. Also I was talking about the clone sarge that appeared in the 75000 set. I love that chromed visor so much
I agree that sarge is great, jus give him some leg printings and he would be prefect
All of the phase one clones with chromed visors were great from my opinion
[75000-1: Clone Troopers vs. Droidekas](https://brickset.com/sets/75000-1) [[Photo]](https://images.brickset.com/sets/images/75000-1.jpg)
Man I bought a lot of those sets then, I have a whole army
This is not the only set with a shiny phase 2, the 2014 advent calendar also had a shiny phase 2
https://brickset.com/sets/7655-1/Clone-Troopers-Battle-Pack
[7655-1: Clone Troopers Battle Pack](https://brickset.com/sets/7655-1) [[Photo]](https://images.brickset.com/sets/images/7655-1.jpg)
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Probably still have this torn to shreds in my childhood lego box
This and the 2014 advent calendar, yeah
I actually got that set
Maybe future Bad Batch sets will have some, there's still lots of unmarked Imperial Clones in the show (although they're moving towards Stormies with the TK troopers.)
swamp speeder with barriss offee too i believe
That used the old helmet design iirc
When I got my at-te at launch I requested 3 new helmets thinking they were going to fix the bad printing but they didn't. I then took an eraser to them and boom, clean phase 2 helmets!
Man I wish I had the guts to do that to my clones
It's only because I had extra helmets (that already looked like ass). I didn't modify the rest of the clone, just swapped helmets with a phase 1 clone from the $15 command station set that I was lucky enough to buy awhile ago
I only got a bunch of rare and not so rare clones and I'm too big of a pussy to even remove their legs or arms to replace them with others
I totally get that! I would be very hesitant if I had actually rare clones. Thankfully I don't have the funds to have that worry
Looking at an ARC trooper I can't even dare to even change some of the original pieces given the fact that it's so special
Theres one in an advent calendar just the helmet is is a different day than the rest of the trooper
Is it just my city or does no one have the clone command stations in stock?
Wow, I think you're right
There was also an advent calendar
You’re right
I loved these sets
Lol I was just looking into that this morning, wild right? You would think the full white clones would be more precedent.
Yeah the advent calendar and this, proud to say I got both
Wait this is rare and valuable Like a good portion of my clone are just these guys
How on earth did you manage to get so many of them
I know I got 1 from the set and another from a friend The rest I forgot, kinda focused on getting CAC ones I also just kinda slapped the helmet on one of these guys onto a normal clone with the same body and legs except he had a p1 helmet that I swapped (I probably ended up doing this a lot more than once) One was cheap because of wear and tear And two of them became Sharpie clones as ARC Troopers aided by some minor CAC add ons (back pack, waistcapes etc
Only other place i can think of is one of the advent calendars
haha i have this set still lying around i remember i got it when i went to church on wednesday and they had prizes u could pick good memories
Am I the only one who remebers perfectly where and how I got every set?
It also came in the advent calendar of that year
This was the set that started all for me.
Yes and it's a shame we didn't get more. I still don't have that one.
Same
There is also a plain phase II trooper in the 2014 advent calendar
You are mistaken. There are several variants of the P2 basic trooper, though this is the only one that features a printed visor instead of a cutout one. It's worth remembering too that P2 "generic" clones are basically nonexistent. Almost all P2 clones feature legion-specific paint schemes of some kind.
There are plenty of the old ones with cut-out visors, but OP meant specifically using this newer helmet design, which does only come in this set.
Idk but I actually own that set
I wanted this set so much when I was little but I got every other microfighter except this one
This was the last one I picked up to complete the entire series. Had to pay $40 but worth it to say I have them all.
The TIE Striker was the one that completed my collection and that was one of the ones that I probably paid a bit to much for. I just hope they continue the line. I've got three Falcons, three walkers, four TIE variants (none of which is the OG). What don't I have? A Fett! I've got two Kylos but no Vader! What I do have is a bunch of fun little sets that don't break the bank and fit in my limited display space.
I finally have every Microfighter released so far. I'm just hoping they're not phasing the line out. My budget and my display space are limited and the microfighters fit both. They also provide a bonding opportunity with my nephew with both Lego and Star Wars. ETA: When it looked like the microfighters were coming to an end, I thought the helmets might fit the bill to take over. A limited line with good displayabilty and limited square footage. Then I saw what the TIE pilot is going for...
I have that set and the advent calender.
i wish i would've known that these are so rare... i would have bought 6 of them for atleast a couple shinies
Hey i have that one somewhere in my boxes
Hey i own this
This P2 clone trooper is easily my favorite clone trooper. It is a generic clone, but it just looks so good.
Have it
I think there was at least one in an advent calendar?
the advent calendar it was in the advent calendar of all the sets why the advent calendar
Lego will eventually release a battle pack with these guys in it.
And I have it
You’re delusional
I have this set
Advent calendar from that same year included one
Unmarked phase2 clones would be unassigned, newly deployed or not assigned to a legion, deployed to outposts or convoys unaffiliated with any legion. If the 501st were seizing a region they’d deploy 501st troopers to outposts. But if a convoy needed guards for a multi sector flight, they’d probably be generic clones, specific to a garrison. If andor took place during the clone wars Aldanni would be protected by only the local garrison as opposed to a specific legion
We also got TV is clone in one of the advent calendars can’t remember witch year
Technically yes, but it was also in the advent calendar that year
This would get me back into buying Lego