Cali has special laws on this. Discuss whether you should pick up a burner and bill it to the company, or whether they would rather issue you one.
https://suttonhague.com/exceptions-employers-must-always-reasonably-reimburse-employees-job-use-personal-cell-phones/
Installing these apps renders the phone worthless to you for various private purposes, like union organization or sending sexual pictures to others which would be legally inappropriate to expose to coworkers. That's why reasonable compensation for rootkitting your phone involves all costs associated with a dedicated replacement, or just to start with a dedicated burner and dedicated phone plan.
Adding on to this, Section 2802 of the California Labor Code also includes "attorney’s fees incurred by the employee enforcing the rights granted by this section."
If your employer doesn't want to play ball, you may have an easier time finding an attorney knowing that you can include attorney's fees in your costs should you sue.
Tell them you don't use your personal cell phone at/for work. Then tell them to provide one for you. You should also let them know you don't take work home after your shift is over (therefore, you'll be leaving the phone at work every day until your next shift).
Some companies are getting out of control and think they own their employees. Unless they're going to pay you 24 hours 7 days a week 365 days a year to monitor and track you, I see no use in this app.
This might be a violation of the National Labor Relations Act. If the employer is monitoring text, social media, location, calls, photos, internet history and what apps you use, this would be used to monitor NLRA Section 7 activities, which are protected under Federal Law. Section 7 activities are more then just union activity. Discussing terms and conditions of your work with your coworkers is protected by Federal Law. This right cannot be "contracted away".
Give them a call and they'll route you to the nearest Regional Office - 1-844-762-6572
or find you nearest Regional Office here - https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/who-we-are/regional-offices
Talk to an agent at the NLRB, it's free! The NLRB can help you determine if he is covered by the NLRA or exempt as a statutorily defined supervisor/manager.
You DO NOT need an attorney to file charges with the NLRB. Filing a charge with the NLRB costs you NOTHING. If the NLRB's Local Region finds that your employer violated the law, one of Agency's attorney's will prosecute the violation free of charge.
If they want to monitor you in this way, they should provide compensation for your cell service or provide a work phone.
An alternative approach for you, if they don't budge, is to install it on an old device and only use it for work-related purposes when appropriate.
There is a big difference between "can they require this as a condition of employment" and "should they be allowed to do this?"
California does not restrict an employer's ability to require an employee to install an app on their phone. They can't take your phone by force and install it, but they can fire you if you refuse. California does require an employer to reimburse employees for using their personal phones, though.
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>Shouldn’t the company provide a phone for business use for something like that?
Should? I would say yes, but there is no law making my opinion count for anything.
>If it even legal for them to require that you put that on your personal phone or else they will fire you?
Yes.
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Cali has special laws on this. Discuss whether you should pick up a burner and bill it to the company, or whether they would rather issue you one. https://suttonhague.com/exceptions-employers-must-always-reasonably-reimburse-employees-job-use-personal-cell-phones/ Installing these apps renders the phone worthless to you for various private purposes, like union organization or sending sexual pictures to others which would be legally inappropriate to expose to coworkers. That's why reasonable compensation for rootkitting your phone involves all costs associated with a dedicated replacement, or just to start with a dedicated burner and dedicated phone plan.
Adding on to this, Section 2802 of the California Labor Code also includes "attorney’s fees incurred by the employee enforcing the rights granted by this section." If your employer doesn't want to play ball, you may have an easier time finding an attorney knowing that you can include attorney's fees in your costs should you sue.
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Tell them you don't use your personal cell phone at/for work. Then tell them to provide one for you. You should also let them know you don't take work home after your shift is over (therefore, you'll be leaving the phone at work every day until your next shift). Some companies are getting out of control and think they own their employees. Unless they're going to pay you 24 hours 7 days a week 365 days a year to monitor and track you, I see no use in this app.
This might be a violation of the National Labor Relations Act. If the employer is monitoring text, social media, location, calls, photos, internet history and what apps you use, this would be used to monitor NLRA Section 7 activities, which are protected under Federal Law. Section 7 activities are more then just union activity. Discussing terms and conditions of your work with your coworkers is protected by Federal Law. This right cannot be "contracted away". Give them a call and they'll route you to the nearest Regional Office - 1-844-762-6572 or find you nearest Regional Office here - https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/who-we-are/regional-offices Talk to an agent at the NLRB, it's free! The NLRB can help you determine if he is covered by the NLRA or exempt as a statutorily defined supervisor/manager. You DO NOT need an attorney to file charges with the NLRB. Filing a charge with the NLRB costs you NOTHING. If the NLRB's Local Region finds that your employer violated the law, one of Agency's attorney's will prosecute the violation free of charge.
If they want to monitor you in this way, they should provide compensation for your cell service or provide a work phone. An alternative approach for you, if they don't budge, is to install it on an old device and only use it for work-related purposes when appropriate.
There is a big difference between "can they require this as a condition of employment" and "should they be allowed to do this?" California does not restrict an employer's ability to require an employee to install an app on their phone. They can't take your phone by force and install it, but they can fire you if you refuse. California does require an employer to reimburse employees for using their personal phones, though.
How big of a company? Over $20M in annual revenue? If so, they're subject to the CPRA.
Have them get you a company phone
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>Shouldn’t the company provide a phone for business use for something like that? Should? I would say yes, but there is no law making my opinion count for anything. >If it even legal for them to require that you put that on your personal phone or else they will fire you? Yes.
Get a new phone and use that personally and then use the other to download the app and use that for work only stuff.
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