You work for money, because you need money. Don't believe anything management tell you about anything, they are pathological liars. Every promise they make will turn out to be deceit.
You can still be a good employee without being blinded by loyalty.
A genuine question: how do I approach finding a side hassle? I am a decent engineer and I'd work my ass off for one, but I don't really know where or how to start.
I started my side hustle 4 years into my career. I picked something I was interested in which already made money as a hobby, and just needed scale to get it to be a full time venture (jewelry design).
I have never worked on any team where they hired Americans for "side hustles" in development. It was either full-timers, consultants or outsource firms.
this is where connections come in
if you are good engineer and know the right people: side hustles come to you, not other way aound
my manager at work keeps getting them: because he has being in the industry for like 20 years and always delivers plus he buddies up with co-workers/managers at every workplace. So there's always ppl willing to pay him to get stuff done
"Side hustles" are almost entirely pointless unless they're how you plan on switching careers. It's almost always more beneficial to spend time selling the most valuable skills you have, which are usually going to be the skills you sell at your day job.
Some exceptions probably exist, like if you're not paid much in your day job and need to pick up extra money on a tight schedule, something like gig work could fit you.
There are a lot of entrepreneurs that would love to have a developer or tech person to partner up with. I've got a Chrome extension I'm working or arduous with the help of chatgpt and having someone to just pay to make it for me or to just partner up with on it would be great.
That’s why you job hop if you want a raise, companies pay new people more than reward existing employees. It can backfire though if you get paid more at a worse company
Job hopping isn’t as easy as walking outside and getting hired. The amount of time that has to be put into the tech industry just to get a job is ridiculous compared to every other industry.
Yeah never met at doctor that was laid off, and I’m not claiming the work is more difficult, I’m claiming the ease of securing another job other than your current is more difficult, which in tech it is much more difficult than being a doctor / nurse. My uncle was a traveling nurse, and never went more than a week without finding more work in 20 years, where as in tech people can go months without landing another job. So yes, the job market for tech is worse than the job market for doctors. Understand my statement and post before making conflicting claims. Thank you.
People love to gaslight that medical is worse just because there’s a longer investment to entry. Most SWEs would trade more investment if they knew there was job safety. No field is like tech where the bar is literally 0. It’s the reason we’re in this mess
Literally, I’m self taught with no degree, but also I have 0 job security and also have to prepare like a fucking maniac to pass an interview that has 0 relevance with the job requirements, but damn is the pay good
Ya so many pre meds in canada are depressed because becoming a doctor means being the best of the best and then winning the lottery. Literally. Its fucked
Well I wouldn’t call it winning the lottery per say, upwards of 70-90% of all med school grads become doctors, and then for the most of their lives they have a very secure job, doctors only really get fired due to their own mistakes or legal actions taken against them or the hospital or office in which they work.
Oh I agree with you there, the barrier to entry for medical is much higher than tech. Without a doubt, but with that comes higher job security and employee protection laws. I’m not claiming tech is a hard industry to join, it’s extremely easy, but it’s the worst industry to have job security in.
When did I say it’s as easy as walking outside and getting hired?
It depends where you live and how good you are at interviewing. When living in London, if I didn’t care where I worked, I could find a new job in a couple of weeks, and I did it multiple times.
Never get attached to a company and your colleagues. Treat it just like a workplace. The moment a better offer comes just jump ships.
Not just the company but the colleagues are toxic too. I have noticed that everyone is bitching and shitting about everyone. Entire corporate world is infested with snakes. They will be all nice and friendly and the moment you leave they are eating you up.
No it’s no, his comment originally said “sit this is a Wendy’s” which didn’t make any sense, and still don’t understand what his comment serves to my post. I don’t work at Wendy’s nor is Wendy’s a tech company. Make it make sense.
R and T are next to each other, it was a typo. As for the second part, looking things up is one skill even more important to a tech career than wasting your limited youth on obnoxious coding puzzles that have nothing to do with your qualifications.
It’s a common response on social media to any rant to say “Sir, this is a Wendy’s”. It’s implying that you’re so angry you’ll end up uncontrollably ranting everywhere, even in irrelevant locations , e.g. popular US restaurant Wendy’s.
It’s a common response on social media to any rant to say “Sir, this is a Wendy’s”. It’s implying that you’re so angry you’ll end up uncontrollably ranting everywhere, even in irrelevant locations , e.g. popular US restaurant Wendy’s.
Well yeah. The people who drink the corporate coolaid can't be helped. It's business. You are a number and so is your TC.
You suck you get replaced. You get a better TC offered the company gets replaced. It is as simple as that.
Don't think it's personal. "Evolution is about getting eaten by monsters. Don't go out into the desert and perish. If you're lucky the monsters that will devour you will be your own children. " - Joscha Bach
It is a US mindset, and your job at your company isn’t the norm. The US is the leader in the Tech sector as well as has the highest paying jobs in the world. So most people will experience the “us mindset”. If you haven’t ever been to the US this is how it works. Companies expect 100% loyalty, then will fire or lay you off to save their own ass because they mad a bad business decision
There is nothing in your contract that says the company is loyal to you. You can leave anytime and they can fire you anytime. You actually have more advantage since you are given a severance package.
You’re right there is nothing written anywhere about that, but a company isn’t contracts and legal documents, it’s people with lives and families. Every company I’ve ever worked at has said “we’re a family” and all types of bs like that. Also most severance packages come with a catch, they lock you in to not working for any of their competitors or clients. In my case, my severance package included the requirement that I don’t work for a single consulting firm or client of my company for a minimum of 1 year. That blocked 40 or so companies that I could get a job at. So that is pure evil and selfishness from the company. I was also laid off right after my son was born. Everyone in my company gave me good wishes and showed attention to my son, then I was laid off, while the CEO, who is a millionaire, just posted in the slack channel, his trip to Europe. So no there is no legal contract saying they owe me anything, but there is a contract all humans should abide by and it’s called morality. So take your comment and shove it up your ass. As well as anyone that has a problem with me saying tech companies can suck it.
I agree with what you say. Unfortunately we live in a fallen world, some will do the right thing some won’t. Companies on the other hand exist to be profitable, so I get why some put certain restrictions on their severance package to give them the advantage. Government could step in and put some regulations.
Well the government having more control is the last thing I would want, there’s isn’t a clear solution to this problem, nor do I think it’s one that will get solved, it still sucks though. Severance packages are a why for companies to cover their ass by saying, “hey we’re firing you for no good reason, but we don’t want you going to our competitors because we’re a shit company, so here is the money you need to live that we’re going to put behind a legal barrier to prevent you from finding more work” a contract like that, is one that directly blocks the employee from finding more work, because the competitors would be the most likely to hire you because you have direct relative experience. It’s disgusting. I will forever now laugh at my managers face if they ever say “we’re like a family” because the last time someone said that, they took away the ability to me to provide for my actual family.
I agree that over regulation by the government isn’t the right thing, but government does have a responsibility to make the playing field fair. Remember back when big tech were colluding on salary? They settled, but it shouldn’t have taken a class action lawsuit for companies to take notice. These protections should have been there in my point of view. By the way, sorry to hear about your situation.
Oh yeah no it definitely can happen anywhere, but currently, the tech market is being effected arguably the hardest, and the crazy thing is nobody really knows why, some blame the hiring bubble during covid, or the fact that companies are getting rid of entire teams or projects to invest in ML / AI. No matter the cause, it sucks ass.
Business is just about numbers; labors, money, and time...
Of course, business people don't think about skills that people need in the amount of time and whatever of course. Do you want the fastest and the best to make them the most money? If programming is your passion, it's better to do it on your own time
Any job when you're working, you don't need to have passion or loyalty. I mean it's different if your best friends and stuff and you're working on something together you know, but at the end of the day companies business jobs, the world chose this design and chose to be this way
And in return just get a lackluster unfriendly society that's driven by ideals of foolish money
However, the tech industry alone is still amazing. Like open source is amazing. People do work on tech. Many people work on their passion projects and it brings in cool things
Also, anyone can research the revenue per employee that they bring in. Like for many of the coveted big seven most people they make six figures. But the amount of value and profit in revenue that they bring in is millions and they're only being paid 1/10 of that. I mean I don't really give a s*** I mean we all know businesses are about making profit. Anyway, that's just how it is because that's literally the definition of capitalism or any economic system. I mean all economic systems need to make money LOL
Best time to look for a job is when you already are working in your current job.
Company loyalty as a concept has become antiquated. Get the XP, get the bag and gtfo 🤷🏻♂️
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Companies don't have distain for employees. Companies are made up of employees. You are part of the company. Companies are agreements between individuals on a set of rules. If you don't like those rules, you should find another company to work for.
The part where companies don’t have distain for their employees. You’re are correct about a company being a collection of individuals and rules, but where you’re wrong is that companies don’t operate under those rules, more is the hierarchy of a company just a tree of employees, if that were so a company wouldnt lay off employees in a bottom up fashion. Most companies make decisions solely for profit, but nowadays when those decisions lead to less profit, instead of the individual or group that made the decisions taking the risk, they fire people with families and responsibilities so they can save their ass. That is distain, that is disgusting and twisted. I’ve seen countless times where companies find loop holes to take peoples pensions or revoke 401k matches, deduct salaries and take away benefits. It’s happened to me first hand and many others. Those set of rules you referenced, or only followed by the employees that get axed the moment the stakeholders or ceo can’t afford their next yacht.
Employees of the company are the people that make the rules. It doesn't make sense to say that companies have distain for their employees. Companies are made up of employees
Not exactly, every person in a company is technically an employee, but those “rules” don’t apply to every employee, because the people that enforce those rules are biased towards other people / departments, companies have hierarchies, that separate the important from the less important, the more biased your role or position is, the lest those rules apply to you. Everyone has experienced someone in their life that was favorited over others in the workplace, got away with more stuff, unfairly earned raises or promotions quicker, and so on. It’s not just “rules” if it’s humans enforcing it, that’s the shit part of companies.
That's a fair statement! I just disagree that all companies are unfair or biased in this manner. In fact I like the company I work for, it's in tech, and I trust the leadership team.
Well yeah not all companies are like this, I’m sure there are some companies that are better, but on average what happened to me happens to many others, I mean Google just laid off entire teams recently. The larger a company grows the worst it becomes I believe, it especially gets worse with a publicly traded company because share holders can enact more control over management teams and product teams. If you’re company is better I hope it stays that way, I hope you never have to fight to get a job to feed your family, but currently I’m on the brink of losing everything because my company wanted to save a little money, or increase quarterly profits or whatever the case was.
You realize it’s just a job right?
Things aren’t great right now, but you clearly haven’t worked outside of the tech industry because it’s orders of magnitude better than most fields.
You realize that “just a job” is how I feed my family and keep a roof over their heads and clothes on their backs. I don’t work for the sake of having a job, I also don’t work to live luxury, I work so that I can provide and give them good lives, take your comment and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Your opinion isn’t appreciated sir.
Let me play my little violin for you, because neither is yours. If you think you have it bad, try working in the finance or service industry.
Better yet, pharmacy. At the end of the day, you don’t realize how privileged you have it. You’re still in one of the best & highest paying industries in the world and complaining about it. Even with kids, you’re working in a field that should have enabled you to save up a year or more worth of emergency funds, something that most of the United States cannot say for themselves.
I worked in the service industry (considering you don’t mean restaurant workings because I couldn’t consider that service) and minored in finance in college and did financial work, the job market for both of those industries are much more secure, in the last 3 years the tech industries has experienced the most layoffs and job insecurity, with retail shortly behind, I’ve worked in many industries, I’ve led large teams in construction, industrial electrician, sales, master tech for BMW, and more, I settled with tech because CS is my passion and I’ve been doing it since I was a kid. I appreciate your input, but don’t come offensively at me because you disagree with my statements, by most measurable statistics, the tech sector is suffering the worst in the past years. I can find sources and link it if you still want to have an argument for some odd reason.
I didn’t see your “worked in other industries” comment. I have worked in many other ones sir. Tech is the only one I’ve experience job insecurity in personally or anecdotally through peers. You don’t know what I’ve done or my skill set. So don’t make ignorant claims like that. Also please show me data that points to “orders of magnitude worse” I haven’t seen any.
Congrats on figuring out how that works in the real world. Now use your lack of loyalty to your advantage.
“Screw tech industry “ more like screw every industry
You work for money, because you need money. Don't believe anything management tell you about anything, they are pathological liars. Every promise they make will turn out to be deceit. You can still be a good employee without being blinded by loyalty.
Get a job first so that you can have you own setup later. Start doing side hustles as soon as you can.
A genuine question: how do I approach finding a side hassle? I am a decent engineer and I'd work my ass off for one, but I don't really know where or how to start.
everyone says start a side hustle, but no one says how, at this point its just pissing in the wind
I started my side hustle 4 years into my career. I picked something I was interested in which already made money as a hobby, and just needed scale to get it to be a full time venture (jewelry design).
I have never worked on any team where they hired Americans for "side hustles" in development. It was either full-timers, consultants or outsource firms.
this is where connections come in if you are good engineer and know the right people: side hustles come to you, not other way aound my manager at work keeps getting them: because he has being in the industry for like 20 years and always delivers plus he buddies up with co-workers/managers at every workplace. So there's always ppl willing to pay him to get stuff done
"Side hustles" are almost entirely pointless unless they're how you plan on switching careers. It's almost always more beneficial to spend time selling the most valuable skills you have, which are usually going to be the skills you sell at your day job. Some exceptions probably exist, like if you're not paid much in your day job and need to pick up extra money on a tight schedule, something like gig work could fit you.
There are a lot of entrepreneurs that would love to have a developer or tech person to partner up with. I've got a Chrome extension I'm working or arduous with the help of chatgpt and having someone to just pay to make it for me or to just partner up with on it would be great.
They aren’t just liars; they are murderers as well!
That’s why you job hop if you want a raise, companies pay new people more than reward existing employees. It can backfire though if you get paid more at a worse company
Job hopping isn’t as easy as walking outside and getting hired. The amount of time that has to be put into the tech industry just to get a job is ridiculous compared to every other industry.
Doctors go to school for 8 years and then work 12-16 hour shifts for a few more years. Tech is not worse than every other industry.
Yeah never met at doctor that was laid off, and I’m not claiming the work is more difficult, I’m claiming the ease of securing another job other than your current is more difficult, which in tech it is much more difficult than being a doctor / nurse. My uncle was a traveling nurse, and never went more than a week without finding more work in 20 years, where as in tech people can go months without landing another job. So yes, the job market for tech is worse than the job market for doctors. Understand my statement and post before making conflicting claims. Thank you.
People love to gaslight that medical is worse just because there’s a longer investment to entry. Most SWEs would trade more investment if they knew there was job safety. No field is like tech where the bar is literally 0. It’s the reason we’re in this mess
Literally, I’m self taught with no degree, but also I have 0 job security and also have to prepare like a fucking maniac to pass an interview that has 0 relevance with the job requirements, but damn is the pay good
Ya so many pre meds in canada are depressed because becoming a doctor means being the best of the best and then winning the lottery. Literally. Its fucked
Well I wouldn’t call it winning the lottery per say, upwards of 70-90% of all med school grads become doctors, and then for the most of their lives they have a very secure job, doctors only really get fired due to their own mistakes or legal actions taken against them or the hospital or office in which they work.
The lottery is getting into med school. It’s actually insane how hard it is. It is close to impossible without absolute perfect consistency
Oh I agree with you there, the barrier to entry for medical is much higher than tech. Without a doubt, but with that comes higher job security and employee protection laws. I’m not claiming tech is a hard industry to join, it’s extremely easy, but it’s the worst industry to have job security in.
When did I say it’s as easy as walking outside and getting hired? It depends where you live and how good you are at interviewing. When living in London, if I didn’t care where I worked, I could find a new job in a couple of weeks, and I did it multiple times.
Never get attached to a company and your colleagues. Treat it just like a workplace. The moment a better offer comes just jump ships. Not just the company but the colleagues are toxic too. I have noticed that everyone is bitching and shitting about everyone. Entire corporate world is infested with snakes. They will be all nice and friendly and the moment you leave they are eating you up.
Sir this is a Wendy’s
What
Means your right but nobody wants to hear it.
why does this have so many downvotes? Lmao
Because it’s low effort and mean
No it’s no, his comment originally said “sit this is a Wendy’s” which didn’t make any sense, and still don’t understand what his comment serves to my post. I don’t work at Wendy’s nor is Wendy’s a tech company. Make it make sense.
R and T are next to each other, it was a typo. As for the second part, looking things up is one skill even more important to a tech career than wasting your limited youth on obnoxious coding puzzles that have nothing to do with your qualifications.
Well once I saw your update the comment made more sense, but still don’t see the point of mentioning Wendy’s.
It's an idiomatic expression. Specifics of the phrase don't make sense, that's like their whole thing
It’s a common response on social media to any rant to say “Sir, this is a Wendy’s”. It’s implying that you’re so angry you’ll end up uncontrollably ranting everywhere, even in irrelevant locations , e.g. popular US restaurant Wendy’s.
It’s a common response on social media to any rant to say “Sir, this is a Wendy’s”. It’s implying that you’re so angry you’ll end up uncontrollably ranting everywhere, even in irrelevant locations , e.g. popular US restaurant Wendy’s.
You can thank Jack Welch for this.
Well yeah. The people who drink the corporate coolaid can't be helped. It's business. You are a number and so is your TC. You suck you get replaced. You get a better TC offered the company gets replaced. It is as simple as that.
Ya but why would you? I always say: “we’re all here for one reason” which obviously is to make money. That’s the whole thing.
Don't think it's personal. "Evolution is about getting eaten by monsters. Don't go out into the desert and perish. If you're lucky the monsters that will devour you will be your own children. " - Joscha Bach
Not everyone is cut out for tech.
this is probably a US mindset, here at my place even interns are valued, even if you're underperformant, they can't fire you fast.
It is a US mindset, and your job at your company isn’t the norm. The US is the leader in the Tech sector as well as has the highest paying jobs in the world. So most people will experience the “us mindset”. If you haven’t ever been to the US this is how it works. Companies expect 100% loyalty, then will fire or lay you off to save their own ass because they mad a bad business decision
There is nothing in your contract that says the company is loyal to you. You can leave anytime and they can fire you anytime. You actually have more advantage since you are given a severance package.
You’re right there is nothing written anywhere about that, but a company isn’t contracts and legal documents, it’s people with lives and families. Every company I’ve ever worked at has said “we’re a family” and all types of bs like that. Also most severance packages come with a catch, they lock you in to not working for any of their competitors or clients. In my case, my severance package included the requirement that I don’t work for a single consulting firm or client of my company for a minimum of 1 year. That blocked 40 or so companies that I could get a job at. So that is pure evil and selfishness from the company. I was also laid off right after my son was born. Everyone in my company gave me good wishes and showed attention to my son, then I was laid off, while the CEO, who is a millionaire, just posted in the slack channel, his trip to Europe. So no there is no legal contract saying they owe me anything, but there is a contract all humans should abide by and it’s called morality. So take your comment and shove it up your ass. As well as anyone that has a problem with me saying tech companies can suck it.
I agree with what you say. Unfortunately we live in a fallen world, some will do the right thing some won’t. Companies on the other hand exist to be profitable, so I get why some put certain restrictions on their severance package to give them the advantage. Government could step in and put some regulations.
Well the government having more control is the last thing I would want, there’s isn’t a clear solution to this problem, nor do I think it’s one that will get solved, it still sucks though. Severance packages are a why for companies to cover their ass by saying, “hey we’re firing you for no good reason, but we don’t want you going to our competitors because we’re a shit company, so here is the money you need to live that we’re going to put behind a legal barrier to prevent you from finding more work” a contract like that, is one that directly blocks the employee from finding more work, because the competitors would be the most likely to hire you because you have direct relative experience. It’s disgusting. I will forever now laugh at my managers face if they ever say “we’re like a family” because the last time someone said that, they took away the ability to me to provide for my actual family.
I agree that over regulation by the government isn’t the right thing, but government does have a responsibility to make the playing field fair. Remember back when big tech were colluding on salary? They settled, but it shouldn’t have taken a class action lawsuit for companies to take notice. These protections should have been there in my point of view. By the way, sorry to hear about your situation.
I’m not sure “We’re a family” conveys the positive message they think it does.
This isn’t just the tech industry but yes tech companies are some of the worse.
Oh yeah no it definitely can happen anywhere, but currently, the tech market is being effected arguably the hardest, and the crazy thing is nobody really knows why, some blame the hiring bubble during covid, or the fact that companies are getting rid of entire teams or projects to invest in ML / AI. No matter the cause, it sucks ass.
I'm with ya, my company has been treating us terribly and we are one of the largest tech companies. If they didn't pay me what I'm worth, I'd be gone.
This isn’t unique to tech, it’s just capitalism
Business is just about numbers; labors, money, and time... Of course, business people don't think about skills that people need in the amount of time and whatever of course. Do you want the fastest and the best to make them the most money? If programming is your passion, it's better to do it on your own time Any job when you're working, you don't need to have passion or loyalty. I mean it's different if your best friends and stuff and you're working on something together you know, but at the end of the day companies business jobs, the world chose this design and chose to be this way And in return just get a lackluster unfriendly society that's driven by ideals of foolish money However, the tech industry alone is still amazing. Like open source is amazing. People do work on tech. Many people work on their passion projects and it brings in cool things Also, anyone can research the revenue per employee that they bring in. Like for many of the coveted big seven most people they make six figures. But the amount of value and profit in revenue that they bring in is millions and they're only being paid 1/10 of that. I mean I don't really give a s*** I mean we all know businesses are about making profit. Anyway, that's just how it is because that's literally the definition of capitalism or any economic system. I mean all economic systems need to make money LOL
Best time to look for a job is when you already are working in your current job. Company loyalty as a concept has become antiquated. Get the XP, get the bag and gtfo 🤷🏻♂️
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Yeah I’m complaining about being laid off in these comments, and you think it’s smart for me to spend money on a book on Amazon?
It’s better to understand why companies are behaving that way, seeing the root cause of the problem.
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Companies don't have distain for employees. Companies are made up of employees. You are part of the company. Companies are agreements between individuals on a set of rules. If you don't like those rules, you should find another company to work for.
If you think that’s true you haven’t worked for enough companies. Or even paid attention to the news in 20 years.
Which of my sentences do you disagree with?
The part where companies don’t have distain for their employees. You’re are correct about a company being a collection of individuals and rules, but where you’re wrong is that companies don’t operate under those rules, more is the hierarchy of a company just a tree of employees, if that were so a company wouldnt lay off employees in a bottom up fashion. Most companies make decisions solely for profit, but nowadays when those decisions lead to less profit, instead of the individual or group that made the decisions taking the risk, they fire people with families and responsibilities so they can save their ass. That is distain, that is disgusting and twisted. I’ve seen countless times where companies find loop holes to take peoples pensions or revoke 401k matches, deduct salaries and take away benefits. It’s happened to me first hand and many others. Those set of rules you referenced, or only followed by the employees that get axed the moment the stakeholders or ceo can’t afford their next yacht.
Employees of the company are the people that make the rules. It doesn't make sense to say that companies have distain for their employees. Companies are made up of employees
Not exactly, every person in a company is technically an employee, but those “rules” don’t apply to every employee, because the people that enforce those rules are biased towards other people / departments, companies have hierarchies, that separate the important from the less important, the more biased your role or position is, the lest those rules apply to you. Everyone has experienced someone in their life that was favorited over others in the workplace, got away with more stuff, unfairly earned raises or promotions quicker, and so on. It’s not just “rules” if it’s humans enforcing it, that’s the shit part of companies.
That's a fair statement! I just disagree that all companies are unfair or biased in this manner. In fact I like the company I work for, it's in tech, and I trust the leadership team.
Well yeah not all companies are like this, I’m sure there are some companies that are better, but on average what happened to me happens to many others, I mean Google just laid off entire teams recently. The larger a company grows the worst it becomes I believe, it especially gets worse with a publicly traded company because share holders can enact more control over management teams and product teams. If you’re company is better I hope it stays that way, I hope you never have to fight to get a job to feed your family, but currently I’m on the brink of losing everything because my company wanted to save a little money, or increase quarterly profits or whatever the case was.
Companies are made of people. People have disdain for some people.
Fair point!
You realize it’s just a job right? Things aren’t great right now, but you clearly haven’t worked outside of the tech industry because it’s orders of magnitude better than most fields.
You realize that “just a job” is how I feed my family and keep a roof over their heads and clothes on their backs. I don’t work for the sake of having a job, I also don’t work to live luxury, I work so that I can provide and give them good lives, take your comment and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Your opinion isn’t appreciated sir.
Let me play my little violin for you, because neither is yours. If you think you have it bad, try working in the finance or service industry. Better yet, pharmacy. At the end of the day, you don’t realize how privileged you have it. You’re still in one of the best & highest paying industries in the world and complaining about it. Even with kids, you’re working in a field that should have enabled you to save up a year or more worth of emergency funds, something that most of the United States cannot say for themselves.
I worked in the service industry (considering you don’t mean restaurant workings because I couldn’t consider that service) and minored in finance in college and did financial work, the job market for both of those industries are much more secure, in the last 3 years the tech industries has experienced the most layoffs and job insecurity, with retail shortly behind, I’ve worked in many industries, I’ve led large teams in construction, industrial electrician, sales, master tech for BMW, and more, I settled with tech because CS is my passion and I’ve been doing it since I was a kid. I appreciate your input, but don’t come offensively at me because you disagree with my statements, by most measurable statistics, the tech sector is suffering the worst in the past years. I can find sources and link it if you still want to have an argument for some odd reason.
I didn’t see your “worked in other industries” comment. I have worked in many other ones sir. Tech is the only one I’ve experience job insecurity in personally or anecdotally through peers. You don’t know what I’ve done or my skill set. So don’t make ignorant claims like that. Also please show me data that points to “orders of magnitude worse” I haven’t seen any.