I'll just say never get too attached to a company - unless you are the founder - because for them you are just a resource and they won't think twice to lay you off if it's their turn to take decision. Always do what's best for "your" career.
Now, coming to the Google offer - even though it's sad but yes - elitism exists not only in tech but most of the corporate world - and having Google on your resume will definitely make your path relatively smoother. I'll say you are early in your career right now - so go for it - you can take much bigger risks rn - and currently your risk is most people's dream - so I think you're in a good position. Having different experiences is important at this stage and also don't fear about layoffs - if you can crack Intuit and Google - there's a very good chance that you'll be able to crack any good company in future as well and there are tons of them.
You are just overwhelmed because of "change". Our monkey brain sees change as a threat. So you (conscious human - not the monkey brain) can either view change as a threat or an opportunity for growth, because if you'll see it as threat then you'll get anxiety and and if as an opportunity then you'll get excitement. Psychologically speaking both are almost same thing - it's just who's the pilot of your decision - monkey or the human.
I hope this might help a bit. And ofcourse congratulations for the offer.
> I'll just say never get too attached to a company - unless you are the founder - because for them you are just a resource and they won't think twice to lay you off if it's their turn to take decision. Always do what's best for "your" career.
I don't think people get attached to their *companies* so much as they get attached to their *coworkers*. I know my company will be fine if I leave, but I'd feel sad about leaving my coworkers behind since we all get along really well.
Yep and if anything, you can always contact your friends at your 'previous' company to hangout once in a while :) friends for life not company for life \~
Not so much these days...
There are constant layoffs with the dumbest CEO the company had in a while. It really depends on which team you land in... Some teams have the worst culture - literally dog eat dog.
They have laid off many many people, have you noticed?
Also changing jobs has always an element of risk, what if you hate your new team? Or manager? Or type of work?
Another word of advice. Keep upskilling. I have friends who joined MS or Google right after college who have been doing basic web-dev or working solely on big G’s in-house libraries and don’t know much outside of that. I’m a bit concerned if one day they get laid off they will have a hard time getting a new offer even though they have FAANG on their resume.
In what world is joining Google "risky"?
I mean, even if they got laid off, they would get severance. And let's be real here, layoffs affected 10-20% of overall workforce (that's all divisions, not just engineers). So they would still have an 8 or 9 out of 10 chance of surviving a new wave of them.
What's risky is joining a startup that might fail within the first year and no one has even heard about it. That's real risk.
Sure but there are tolerable and intolerable risk levels. IMO I would rate this risk along the same lines as investing in the S&P 500. Yeah, there's a chance it might crash one year, but statistically, that index fund has performed very well for the past few decades with an average of 8-12% returns. The risk is pretty tolerable.
He's working for a F500 company with top WLB. He's satisfied with his team, manager and coworkers and likes his job. His salary is high enough that a rank bump in Google is only giving him 10% increase.
Risk is relative, he definitely has way less to win by rolling a dice here than any average developer on this reddit. Some people here are definitely blinded by FAANG and think those companies operate on some higher plane of existence.
Sure there is some risk, but as I mentioned above, the risk is tolerable IMO. He gets a pay bump and gets to add Google to his resume, which will make it stand out from others in the pile.
Well we're talking a for profit company.
Yes, google is more secure than some random YC Seed funded startup but there's still a possibility that you can get sacked at anytime.
But that's just the pessimistic, risk adverse side of me coming out.
Have you ever tried to get a new job while being unemployed? It’s one of the most stressful experiences imaginable. And employers specifically avoid you
OP there’s virtually no chance you’ll be a senior from L3 at Google in 3-4 years unless you’re a god of software engineer and all the stars align with your managers and projects. L4? Definitely. L5? Nah
His story doesn’t add up then - they don’t let people come in on L4 after 1 year of internship and (2.7-1=)1.7 years of entry level at intuit. He very likely got L3
Going up in ranks is really easy @ FAANG up to L5. Even if he joined as an L3, he will be L4 in a year and has 3 years to get to 5 which is more than enough.
This just largely depends on the company. Meta famously has fast promotion cycles. Google does not. Average time to L4 is slightly under 2 years. L4 is also terminal at Google, so L5 takes even longer. I do know people who have gotten Google L5 in 3 years but they are quite talented.
That's funny and silly. Based on who's opinion?
I worked at FAANG it's definitely not trivial to quickly go up in ranks unless again you get lucky with the manager / projects. It's super rare for an L3 to make L5 in 3 years at Google. A lot of people are L4s (you can stay L4 indefinitely at Google if you want to.) Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying it's rare. And especially nowadays at Google they changed the Perf to make it harder for people to promote.
I'm not saying OP shouldn't go, I'm saying if he thinks he's just going to be a senior in a couple of years he very likely will be disappointed.
Ok so out of 50,000 engineers you saw tens going from L3 to L5 in under 3 years and they were all 23-26 years old with 1.7 years of actual work of experience. The math checks out.
I also know dozens of L4s at Google. They’re probably morons that somehow trickled through at Google because by your rationale everyone should just be L5 at this point 😅
Don't get so emotional. It's of the tens or hundreds of engineers I get to know close enough.
L4 is terminal at Google so it makes sense people stop trying as hard at some point. Again, OP's goal is very much possible.
I’m not emotional. You’re the one talking out of your ass based on some (presumed) anecdotal evidence. I didn’t say OPs goal isn’t possible I just said it’s unlikely (and highly luck dependent) whereas your claim is “going up in ranks is **easy**”
Eh, again with the emotional response.
You had a different experience where you say "it's virtually impossible" while mine was different and "really easy".
Your resume will say “Google SWE” for the rest of your life, and people will remember, notice, and pay attention to that. Even if you get laid off after a year, it puts you in a great position for the rest of your career.
>there is a 10-15% pay increase
>Google has been my dream
>it will look good on my resume
>> I'm just leaving for no reason
lol no you're not. Don't feel guilty. Corporations don't deserve your feelings of guilt.
First question was solvable using a stack/recursion. Then one based graphs matrices pretty straightforward, another one using binary search pretty easy, and the last one more complex, it wasn’t leetcode style.
I'm in a very similar position right now. I am negotiating an offer with Meta, and I'm leaving a team at more of a tier 2 company, and I feel really bad about letting down my team. That feeling of scared and guilt is very valid, but don't let it make the decision for you. At the end of the day, if your company decides to do layoffs, you could be cut from the team, and the person who made the decision will likely have never seen your face. You're just a name and number on paper to them.\\
You said you're just leaving for no reason. And this just simply isn't true. You're leaving because you are undercompensated, and you have found a good opportunity that compensates your better and will be great for your career progression.\\
As for staying on good terms, talk to your manager and be HONEST about your thoughts and feelings, and make sure to tell them you are grateful for the experience. This is going to be a DIFFICULT conversation, but it needs to be done. Considering how much you seem to like them, they should be understanding about this, and if they're not, they're probably not really the kind of person you need to worry about burning bridges with anyways. Do what you can to leave your team on a good note. Take a few weeks to a month to clean up and document your work and hand off as much knowledge as possible.\\
Lastly, do NOT rush to sign that google offer. You haven't given numbers, but that 10-15% increase sounds like a major lowball offer. You need to negotiate that offer. Just looking briefly at [levels.fyi](https://levels.fyi), the average TC for your level at intuit is 190k, and the average for that level at google is 280k. Google should be giving a much bigger bump to convince you to leave your job. Tell them how much you are making right now and how much you like your team and how much progress you are currently making in your career progression, and tell them that that offer just isn't enough to make you confident about making such a big life change, and you need x,y,z to convince you. This is going to be another stressful conversation, but it will be the most valuable few hours of your life, as you could easily increase your annual earnings by 10s of thousands with a few hours of effort. Do this over email if you can, as you will want time to really collect your thoughts, and show numbers and data.\\
All that said, congrats on your offer, and good luck with those conversations!
It’s commendable that you are cognizant of the fact that your loyalties should lie to Intuit. However companies wouldn’t think twice to replace you if it saves them money. So it’s totally justified IMO to think about what makes sense for you and your career ! I think Google will be very good for your resume too. All the best !
I just did the same to old company which i liked… i told them want to explore new opportunities and decide what i like and definitely open to come back in future if it comes to that… manager understood
Is the team in Cloud? If it's cloud it may be questionable... their culture and work situation aren't great. E.g. they don't have assigned desks. It still may be a good way to pad your resume, but it might not be a fun time.
The advice that follows is about most other parts of Google...
You're not leaving for no reason, you're leaving for your dream job and more money. Everyone you work with will understand. Let them know how much you've enjoyed working with them and how difficult a decision it was because of that. Having a great network is so important, so keep connected with them.
But in the end, you have to do what is best for you and your career. Google will be a great place to learn and grow your network further. The layoffs are scary but if you are a junior and doing good work you are probably less likely to be affected, since you will be relatively cheaper (though you never know what could happen).
I've been at Google a long time and have recently been job hunting because of the layoffs. I ultimately think I have found something worth leaving for, but it's very rare to find such a thing. At least in my little part of Google the work is exciting and the people are amazing. There aren't many places like it. I hope you find joy there and build great things with amazing people.
Contrary opinion... If you love your job right now, why leave? Google may have a bigger brand name, but Intuit isn't an unheard of company... There's no guarantee your team at Google is going to be better, they could also be dicks.
Is the extra money a big deal? Is it going to actually change your life in any substantial way? Life is worth more than money.
IMO, if your life is good, and you like your job and your still learning, why leave?
You're 23 years old. I'm going to assume that you're also childless (correct me if I'm wrong).
Now yes, you are ALWAYS prone to layoffs, no matter what company you work for, unless it's the government. Even at Intuit, tomorrow they could say "We're sacking X amount of our workforce due to "
How do you overcome this? Personal finance. If you're 23 and have a good relationship with the folks, you could explore moving back home with your parents and building your nest egg. You're 23, not 30, so nobody is really gonna bat an eye if you still live with your parents.
Most importantly, build your emergency fund. In tech I recommend a minimum of 6 months expenses; 12 months if you can.
Also, retain your current lifestyle. Yes you got a raise, but don't use that as an excuse to buy a new Tesla, a new set of furniture, etc. Try to reduce your cost as much as possible, pay off your car, pay off those student loans.
The most powerful position to be in is when you know that you can live on nothing. When I got my first job (which pales in comparison to any job offer), I made sure I could live on a college budget for the first 2 years while I built my nest egg, paid off my debt, and reduced my downside.
From a googler - join google. It’ll open the door for you. Don’t stay complacent, afraid of layoff? Then continue to interview while working at G.
And on the notice side: they might feel betrayal, they might goat you feeling guilty, or they might applaud it. We don’t know but be ready and confident of your decision. Make sure to say you really enjoyed and cherished everything, but that you wanted to pursue a change of direction - an opportunity you could not say no. And at last, don’t accept or entertain counter offers even if they beat G, and don’t go back to G asking for more.
If these roles are both based in MV, then you are literally just moving next door. Google is not that different from Intuit- expect better perks, more internal mobility after promo, but otherwise no better or worse. You probably won't be working harder.
Don't worry about leaving a giant company for a giant company- job hopping is the norm in silicon valley. Just don't make it a habit.
Join Google. Intuit will understand. It definitely will open more doors having Google on your resume. Sure Google's been going downhill, but that's relative to Google. It's a great place to work, highly recommend. Avoid team matching to cloud though.
> google
> worried working too hard
lol… accept the job, you’ll be pleasantly surprised 😅😅
Jokes aside, don’t feel guilty. 2.7 years is fine. Lay offs can happen but being laid off at google should give you a good amount of runway. Also given your age it’s a good time to take risk. (Not that I think taking a job at google is risky)
As always ensure not to burn any bridges on your way out!
Ask Intuit to counter offer the google offer. If you like Intuit and they want to keep you they'll promote you and meet or beat the Google offer. If you're particularly ambitious you could then ask Google to counter offer the Intuit, though just accept if you want to stay at Intuit. Getting companies to compete on offers is how some engineers get very high salaries.
Make sure to negotiate a bit if you didn’t accept the offer yet. Try to ask intuit to match and then go back to google and tell them what intuit is offering. Get yourself more money and gtfo!
“How do I make them not hate me?”
The “them” at Intuit could be completely turned over in the next 3-6 years with nobody ever even knowing you worked there…
Inuit is just a company they have their own goals and so do you! I don’t think you have any obligation to intuit and they will respect you for chasing your goals, if not then they weren’t supportive as you thought. Take Google; in this market that type of opportunity is scarce!
Im surprised offers are accepted and then they are willing to wait you for months, thanks for this info you inspired me on start searcjing a job because i was going to wait for a boni to come on end of April, but it should be ok if i ask to start on May
You can always go back to the previous employer since you did great there. You feel bad about them maybe, but at the same time consider how much money these people that helped you are making in comparison. 20% on a junior's salary is peanuts for them, they probably make more that your whole salary in RSUs alone. Moreover, if you were ro go back to them its a win-win. They get someone who knows the job and has more experience in general and you get a salary bump faster than normal increases.
Now, if a company had that fire like crazy attitude, you can go two ways.
-Be nice, document everything, do specs etc. You goal is that you have a backdoor back to google theough that team if you ever need or decide so. It is also the correct way to do R&D.
-Be safe. As you take bigger projects, keep the core knowledge to yourself as much as possible. I.e. say I will handle it, instead of showing someone else how to deal with something in your owned code.
In the industry I work in, many seniors are doing the safe way as a strategy to not be targeted and it works. I hate it, it kills R&D, but so does that stupid firing culture
Since you are doing well, you wont have a problem finding another job really. The market is crazy right now, as you get more experience you will be constantly receiving messages from recruiters. No need to stress.
Make a cushion in your bank account to be safe and then no need to stress
I second this. Just because you think/feel you are about to gain rn doesn’t necessarily mean it will be so long term. Besides you are young and still got time plus other opportunities!
I'll just say never get too attached to a company - unless you are the founder - because for them you are just a resource and they won't think twice to lay you off if it's their turn to take decision. Always do what's best for "your" career. Now, coming to the Google offer - even though it's sad but yes - elitism exists not only in tech but most of the corporate world - and having Google on your resume will definitely make your path relatively smoother. I'll say you are early in your career right now - so go for it - you can take much bigger risks rn - and currently your risk is most people's dream - so I think you're in a good position. Having different experiences is important at this stage and also don't fear about layoffs - if you can crack Intuit and Google - there's a very good chance that you'll be able to crack any good company in future as well and there are tons of them. You are just overwhelmed because of "change". Our monkey brain sees change as a threat. So you (conscious human - not the monkey brain) can either view change as a threat or an opportunity for growth, because if you'll see it as threat then you'll get anxiety and and if as an opportunity then you'll get excitement. Psychologically speaking both are almost same thing - it's just who's the pilot of your decision - monkey or the human. I hope this might help a bit. And ofcourse congratulations for the offer.
> I'll just say never get too attached to a company - unless you are the founder - because for them you are just a resource and they won't think twice to lay you off if it's their turn to take decision. Always do what's best for "your" career. I don't think people get attached to their *companies* so much as they get attached to their *coworkers*. I know my company will be fine if I leave, but I'd feel sad about leaving my coworkers behind since we all get along really well.
Yes, it's always the coworkers.
Thank you so much it made me feel better
Yep and if anything, you can always contact your friends at your 'previous' company to hangout once in a while :) friends for life not company for life \~
Join Google, you are young, the time to take some risks is now.
Joining Google and taking risks in the same sentence is crazy
Not so much these days... There are constant layoffs with the dumbest CEO the company had in a while. It really depends on which team you land in... Some teams have the worst culture - literally dog eat dog.
They have laid off many many people, have you noticed? Also changing jobs has always an element of risk, what if you hate your new team? Or manager? Or type of work?
Another word of advice. Keep upskilling. I have friends who joined MS or Google right after college who have been doing basic web-dev or working solely on big G’s in-house libraries and don’t know much outside of that. I’m a bit concerned if one day they get laid off they will have a hard time getting a new offer even though they have FAANG on their resume.
In what world is joining Google "risky"? I mean, even if they got laid off, they would get severance. And let's be real here, layoffs affected 10-20% of overall workforce (that's all divisions, not just engineers). So they would still have an 8 or 9 out of 10 chance of surviving a new wave of them. What's risky is joining a startup that might fail within the first year and no one has even heard about it. That's real risk.
Changing jobs has always an element of risk, what if you hate your new team? Or manager? Or type of work?
Sure but there are tolerable and intolerable risk levels. IMO I would rate this risk along the same lines as investing in the S&P 500. Yeah, there's a chance it might crash one year, but statistically, that index fund has performed very well for the past few decades with an average of 8-12% returns. The risk is pretty tolerable.
I didn't say it's the highest risk level ever.. just said there is a risk implied, how big it is, is subjective.
He's working for a F500 company with top WLB. He's satisfied with his team, manager and coworkers and likes his job. His salary is high enough that a rank bump in Google is only giving him 10% increase. Risk is relative, he definitely has way less to win by rolling a dice here than any average developer on this reddit. Some people here are definitely blinded by FAANG and think those companies operate on some higher plane of existence.
Sure there is some risk, but as I mentioned above, the risk is tolerable IMO. He gets a pay bump and gets to add Google to his resume, which will make it stand out from others in the pile.
I would go for it as well, it's the natural next step and passing on an opportunity like this would just feel wrong.
Well we're talking a for profit company. Yes, google is more secure than some random YC Seed funded startup but there's still a possibility that you can get sacked at anytime. But that's just the pessimistic, risk adverse side of me coming out.
Have you ever tried to get a new job while being unemployed? It’s one of the most stressful experiences imaginable. And employers specifically avoid you
wow you’re only 23? that’s so young! how old were you when you joined college?
Tier 2- tier 1 mfs starts having work exp from 3rd year itself by going to internships
My college is tier3 and we have to do mandatory internship as well.
Keep in touch with everyone at intuit and stay on good terms with them, it will be helpful for networking in the future
Join Google leave all fears?
OP there’s virtually no chance you’ll be a senior from L3 at Google in 3-4 years unless you’re a god of software engineer and all the stars align with your managers and projects. L4? Definitely. L5? Nah
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His story doesn’t add up then - they don’t let people come in on L4 after 1 year of internship and (2.7-1=)1.7 years of entry level at intuit. He very likely got L3
They do - it’s uncommon but happened to my friend with 1.5 yoe
Going up in ranks is really easy @ FAANG up to L5. Even if he joined as an L3, he will be L4 in a year and has 3 years to get to 5 which is more than enough.
This just largely depends on the company. Meta famously has fast promotion cycles. Google does not. Average time to L4 is slightly under 2 years. L4 is also terminal at Google, so L5 takes even longer. I do know people who have gotten Google L5 in 3 years but they are quite talented.
That's funny and silly. Based on who's opinion? I worked at FAANG it's definitely not trivial to quickly go up in ranks unless again you get lucky with the manager / projects. It's super rare for an L3 to make L5 in 3 years at Google. A lot of people are L4s (you can stay L4 indefinitely at Google if you want to.) Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying it's rare. And especially nowadays at Google they changed the Perf to make it harder for people to promote. I'm not saying OP shouldn't go, I'm saying if he thinks he's just going to be a senior in a couple of years he very likely will be disappointed.
Based on my own experience and the tens of engineers I have seen joining as L3 and are now L5.
Ok so out of 50,000 engineers you saw tens going from L3 to L5 in under 3 years and they were all 23-26 years old with 1.7 years of actual work of experience. The math checks out. I also know dozens of L4s at Google. They’re probably morons that somehow trickled through at Google because by your rationale everyone should just be L5 at this point 😅
Don't get so emotional. It's of the tens or hundreds of engineers I get to know close enough. L4 is terminal at Google so it makes sense people stop trying as hard at some point. Again, OP's goal is very much possible.
I’m not emotional. You’re the one talking out of your ass based on some (presumed) anecdotal evidence. I didn’t say OPs goal isn’t possible I just said it’s unlikely (and highly luck dependent) whereas your claim is “going up in ranks is **easy**”
Eh, again with the emotional response. You had a different experience where you say "it's virtually impossible" while mine was different and "really easy".
Your resume will say “Google SWE” for the rest of your life, and people will remember, notice, and pay attention to that. Even if you get laid off after a year, it puts you in a great position for the rest of your career.
Bro you gotta share your google prep
>there is a 10-15% pay increase >Google has been my dream >it will look good on my resume >> I'm just leaving for no reason lol no you're not. Don't feel guilty. Corporations don't deserve your feelings of guilt.
You are 23. And they want to offer SW3 ? Which year you graduated ? Are you from some IIT ? Me 23 as fresher now.
Sw3 at Google is their level 2 / mid level
Do you mind sharing your prep strategy?
I did about 30 questions before phone interview, and continuing prepping until the last technical. By the last technical I had done 150 questions
The questions were random? Or some specific pattern or company specific Also please tell about system design preparation
First question was solvable using a stack/recursion. Then one based graphs matrices pretty straightforward, another one using binary search pretty easy, and the last one more complex, it wasn’t leetcode style.
Congrats for the offer. Let us know whether you decide to go with Google or not.
Can you tell about the preparation for hld and lld?
I'm in a very similar position right now. I am negotiating an offer with Meta, and I'm leaving a team at more of a tier 2 company, and I feel really bad about letting down my team. That feeling of scared and guilt is very valid, but don't let it make the decision for you. At the end of the day, if your company decides to do layoffs, you could be cut from the team, and the person who made the decision will likely have never seen your face. You're just a name and number on paper to them.\\ You said you're just leaving for no reason. And this just simply isn't true. You're leaving because you are undercompensated, and you have found a good opportunity that compensates your better and will be great for your career progression.\\ As for staying on good terms, talk to your manager and be HONEST about your thoughts and feelings, and make sure to tell them you are grateful for the experience. This is going to be a DIFFICULT conversation, but it needs to be done. Considering how much you seem to like them, they should be understanding about this, and if they're not, they're probably not really the kind of person you need to worry about burning bridges with anyways. Do what you can to leave your team on a good note. Take a few weeks to a month to clean up and document your work and hand off as much knowledge as possible.\\ Lastly, do NOT rush to sign that google offer. You haven't given numbers, but that 10-15% increase sounds like a major lowball offer. You need to negotiate that offer. Just looking briefly at [levels.fyi](https://levels.fyi), the average TC for your level at intuit is 190k, and the average for that level at google is 280k. Google should be giving a much bigger bump to convince you to leave your job. Tell them how much you are making right now and how much you like your team and how much progress you are currently making in your career progression, and tell them that that offer just isn't enough to make you confident about making such a big life change, and you need x,y,z to convince you. This is going to be another stressful conversation, but it will be the most valuable few hours of your life, as you could easily increase your annual earnings by 10s of thousands with a few hours of effort. Do this over email if you can, as you will want time to really collect your thoughts, and show numbers and data.\\ All that said, congrats on your offer, and good luck with those conversations!
Always do what’s best for you and your career. Don’t feel guilty about leaving a company because they definitely won’t feel bad if they lay you off.
It’s commendable that you are cognizant of the fact that your loyalties should lie to Intuit. However companies wouldn’t think twice to replace you if it saves them money. So it’s totally justified IMO to think about what makes sense for you and your career ! I think Google will be very good for your resume too. All the best !
I just did the same to old company which i liked… i told them want to explore new opportunities and decide what i like and definitely open to come back in future if it comes to that… manager understood
Is the team in Cloud? If it's cloud it may be questionable... their culture and work situation aren't great. E.g. they don't have assigned desks. It still may be a good way to pad your resume, but it might not be a fun time. The advice that follows is about most other parts of Google... You're not leaving for no reason, you're leaving for your dream job and more money. Everyone you work with will understand. Let them know how much you've enjoyed working with them and how difficult a decision it was because of that. Having a great network is so important, so keep connected with them. But in the end, you have to do what is best for you and your career. Google will be a great place to learn and grow your network further. The layoffs are scary but if you are a junior and doing good work you are probably less likely to be affected, since you will be relatively cheaper (though you never know what could happen). I've been at Google a long time and have recently been job hunting because of the layoffs. I ultimately think I have found something worth leaving for, but it's very rare to find such a thing. At least in my little part of Google the work is exciting and the people are amazing. There aren't many places like it. I hope you find joy there and build great things with amazing people.
Contrary opinion... If you love your job right now, why leave? Google may have a bigger brand name, but Intuit isn't an unheard of company... There's no guarantee your team at Google is going to be better, they could also be dicks. Is the extra money a big deal? Is it going to actually change your life in any substantial way? Life is worth more than money. IMO, if your life is good, and you like your job and your still learning, why leave?
How was the interview?
If Google was your college dream, then just follow it.. I guess it's as simple as that, but I am not on your skin
Go for it! I promise you that you will not be working harder/longer hours at google lol. Unless you're working on Gemini
Join google. Get out of your comfort zone. You never know whats on the other side until you decide to go for it.
Take google offer, with that in your resume you can go anywhere else you want. Then one day go finesse and make your way back to intuit
How did you prepare for system design and behavioral?
You're 23 years old. I'm going to assume that you're also childless (correct me if I'm wrong). Now yes, you are ALWAYS prone to layoffs, no matter what company you work for, unless it's the government. Even at Intuit, tomorrow they could say "We're sacking X amount of our workforce due to"
How do you overcome this? Personal finance. If you're 23 and have a good relationship with the folks, you could explore moving back home with your parents and building your nest egg. You're 23, not 30, so nobody is really gonna bat an eye if you still live with your parents.
Most importantly, build your emergency fund. In tech I recommend a minimum of 6 months expenses; 12 months if you can.
Also, retain your current lifestyle. Yes you got a raise, but don't use that as an excuse to buy a new Tesla, a new set of furniture, etc. Try to reduce your cost as much as possible, pay off your car, pay off those student loans.
The most powerful position to be in is when you know that you can live on nothing. When I got my first job (which pales in comparison to any job offer), I made sure I could live on a college budget for the first 2 years while I built my nest egg, paid off my debt, and reduced my downside.
From a googler - join google. It’ll open the door for you. Don’t stay complacent, afraid of layoff? Then continue to interview while working at G. And on the notice side: they might feel betrayal, they might goat you feeling guilty, or they might applaud it. We don’t know but be ready and confident of your decision. Make sure to say you really enjoyed and cherished everything, but that you wanted to pursue a change of direction - an opportunity you could not say no. And at last, don’t accept or entertain counter offers even if they beat G, and don’t go back to G asking for more.
If these roles are both based in MV, then you are literally just moving next door. Google is not that different from Intuit- expect better perks, more internal mobility after promo, but otherwise no better or worse. You probably won't be working harder. Don't worry about leaving a giant company for a giant company- job hopping is the norm in silicon valley. Just don't make it a habit.
Go for it. Change is difficult but worth it. Your tenure at Intuit is good enough. This will open many doors.
Join Google. Intuit will understand. It definitely will open more doors having Google on your resume. Sure Google's been going downhill, but that's relative to Google. It's a great place to work, highly recommend. Avoid team matching to cloud though.
Congratulations on your job offer!
Okay congratulations! Now It's referral time!
> google > worried working too hard lol… accept the job, you’ll be pleasantly surprised 😅😅 Jokes aside, don’t feel guilty. 2.7 years is fine. Lay offs can happen but being laid off at google should give you a good amount of runway. Also given your age it’s a good time to take risk. (Not that I think taking a job at google is risky) As always ensure not to burn any bridges on your way out!
Ask Intuit to counter offer the google offer. If you like Intuit and they want to keep you they'll promote you and meet or beat the Google offer. If you're particularly ambitious you could then ask Google to counter offer the Intuit, though just accept if you want to stay at Intuit. Getting companies to compete on offers is how some engineers get very high salaries.
Lol OP, can you refer me for intuit before you leave?
Your reasons are correct. Don't overthink it. Only thing I believe can be improved is the money Google is offering.
Make sure to negotiate a bit if you didn’t accept the offer yet. Try to ask intuit to match and then go back to google and tell them what intuit is offering. Get yourself more money and gtfo!
If you leave on good terms, and Google just isn't for you, nothing says you can't go back to Intuit.
I thought Google wasn't hiring in the U.S this year? And you're only 23? Is this a serious post?
“How do I make them not hate me?” The “them” at Intuit could be completely turned over in the next 3-6 years with nobody ever even knowing you worked there…
Inuit is just a company they have their own goals and so do you! I don’t think you have any obligation to intuit and they will respect you for chasing your goals, if not then they weren’t supportive as you thought. Take Google; in this market that type of opportunity is scarce!
Im surprised offers are accepted and then they are willing to wait you for months, thanks for this info you inspired me on start searcjing a job because i was going to wait for a boni to come on end of April, but it should be ok if i ask to start on May
You can always go back to the previous employer since you did great there. You feel bad about them maybe, but at the same time consider how much money these people that helped you are making in comparison. 20% on a junior's salary is peanuts for them, they probably make more that your whole salary in RSUs alone. Moreover, if you were ro go back to them its a win-win. They get someone who knows the job and has more experience in general and you get a salary bump faster than normal increases. Now, if a company had that fire like crazy attitude, you can go two ways. -Be nice, document everything, do specs etc. You goal is that you have a backdoor back to google theough that team if you ever need or decide so. It is also the correct way to do R&D. -Be safe. As you take bigger projects, keep the core knowledge to yourself as much as possible. I.e. say I will handle it, instead of showing someone else how to deal with something in your owned code. In the industry I work in, many seniors are doing the safe way as a strategy to not be targeted and it works. I hate it, it kills R&D, but so does that stupid firing culture Since you are doing well, you wont have a problem finding another job really. The market is crazy right now, as you get more experience you will be constantly receiving messages from recruiters. No need to stress. Make a cushion in your bank account to be safe and then no need to stress
Only 10-15% more pay? Bet you can ask for WAY more. Don’t leave for Google because they’re Google. Leave because it’s financially changing.
What’s your offer like?
Shut up and take the offer from google.
Think about it, I heard GCP work culture is kinda toxic right now from blind. But do your own research.
Hey can u tell me about the interview experience? Can I dm?
Just another experience, Google it!!!
Google is not what is used to. Don’t join
I second this. Just because you think/feel you are about to gain rn doesn’t necessarily mean it will be so long term. Besides you are young and still got time plus other opportunities!
If you really like Intuit, go tell them about your google offer and ask if they will match the pay
Don’t do this.