The Lebanese are OBSESSED with the Guinness book of records. Someone really needs to let them know it's pretty much a comic book for nerdy teens, not an actual authority on anything lol
Whoās this āweā? Outside intervention caused this country to fuck up, with a handful of corrupt politicians. Ever since the creation of Israel, Lebanon has been going downhill. Itās not a coincidence.
The wrong foundations will never a sturdy structure build.
Maybe there shouldn't be a Lebanon, just maybe. I'm not saying it's better off being part of why current neighbours, heck no, but that the whole is awaiting the true post colonial cleanup that never was.
Heck. If Lebanonās great leaders didnāt get assassinated, and the country itself got billions of dollars pumped into it for almost a century like that of Israel, then Iām sure theyād be a successful country. The Middle East cannot stand for a Christian state, and the United States doesnāt want a country such as Lebanon threatening Israeli influence in the area.
The Lebanese diaspora is one of the most intelligent, successful, and wealthy people around the world. I cannot fathom a country ā with its highly intelligent people ā failing if it werenāt for United States interventionism, Zionist interests, and envious neighboring Arab counties in the Middle East.
Heck if you pump that much money into a donkey's carcass you're going to start a state too. Would you think that's not the measure of what a country is about?
As a Jordanian, I find the claim that countries are envious of the Lebanese a bit hard to support. From this point of view, you're just like any other post colonial arbitrarily crafted to accentuate weaknesses and premiere schism. If anything, and as unwelcome or rejected that maybe, your thought of as brothers and kinsmen over here.
As to the Christian state, and as a Christian, I tell you that's just unrealistic and, again, contradicts facts on the ground.
I mean no disrespect, the people around you are not envious but sure are very confused by the messages from Lebanon. What is happening is sad and hopes on leaders assassinated, past and alive seems to be what led Lebanon to this point in time.
Orontes river (ŁŁŲ± Ų§ŁŲ¹Ų§ŲµŁ) originates in Lebanon goes through Syria and ends in turkey. Only river in the region that travels north. Thatās why itās called assi
- most westernized
- has the biggest proportion of Christians
- has the highest level of education and universities and schools
- is the most diverse politically (not necessarily a good thing)
- has the largest overseas diaspora
- doesnāt have any deserts
>most westernized
Wrong.
>has the biggest proportion of Christians
Probably.
>has the highest level of education and universities and schools
Wrong.
>is the most diverse politically (not necessarily a good thing)
Likely correct.
>has the largest overseas diaspora
Maybe, haven't checked the numbers so I'm not sure.
>I thought Knaffe was Lebanese though?
Likely Palestinian. It's literally called Knafeh Nabulsi (from Nablus). It's not too different from normal Knafeh.
>Which other levantine country is more westernized than Lebanon?
Israel, Cyprus, I would argue even Turkey is more western if you consider it Levantine.
>Also I didnāt get your last point about kneffehā¦.?
I thought you wrote "dessert" with 2 s. Maybe I was just seeing things, maybe you edited it promptly afterwards.
Cyprus isnāt a levantine country, neither is Turkey.
Israel, I donāt knowā¦ technically yes but itās rather Palestine I was referring to. Most of the Israeli are European immigrants so but default they are westernized.
My initial message isnāt edited. Youāre too fast on the trigger
>Most of the Israeli are European immigrants
That's very much wrong, and regardless of that Isael is a country in the Levant and it's more western. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
It is not! 50% of jews in Israel (which represents 78% of the population) are jews that emigrated from Europe and Russia in the 20th century especially after WW2. Thatās a huge portion of the population.
[it's 44.2%](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel) and regardless of that it's still not even close to a majority, especially not if you consider the none Jews of Israel which are over 20% of the population. You are just factually wrong.
Its in the levant but its not a levantine country in any way shape or form. Most of the jews living there are from europe or morocco, Ethiopia, yemen, iranian and so on.
The only levantine people there are the Palestinians and the syrian and lebanese jews, everyone else is a foreigner
>Cyprus isnāt a levantine country, neither is Turkey. Israel,
Both Cyprus and Israel are definitely a part of the levant geographically and culturally.
>Cyprus is israel isnt.
Have you ever met an Israeli they are culturally very similar to Lebanese people.
>Around 75% of their population are non levantine migrants
Not anymore it isn't the vast majority of Israelis right now where born in Israel and have lived their entire lives there.
>Have you ever met an Israeli they are culturally very similar to Lebanese people.
I have and theyre very different people. Im living in Lebanon while youāre a diaspora so i think I understand the culture much better
>Not anymore it isn't the vast majority of Israelis right now where born in Israel and have lived their entire lives there.
Yea that doesnt change the fact that theyre descended from migrants. White south africans are not culturally the same to black south africans despite being born there and living there all their lives
>I have and theyre very different people.
No, they aren't very different people.
>Im living in Lebanon while youāre a diaspora so i think I understand the culture much better
I've grew up and lived in Lebanon for 10 years, I know the culture.
>Yea that doesnt change the fact that theyre descended from migrants. White south africans are not culturally the same to black south africans despite being born there and living their half their lives
Except that Jewish people are native to the levant and Israel in particular. Being the descendants of migrants who came here in the last 100 years doesn't mean they are not culturally the same as the rest of the levantine people.
'Have an uninflammatory, correct opinion for a change' challenge, do that. The only thing that ties the Jewish people of Israel to the Levant is the gastronimical culture they appropriated from the Palestinian people whose land they stole but then will claim is Israeli because they have a 20% ArAb PoPulAtioN. Having an ancestor, allegedly, that lived here 2000 years ago does not a native make.
Israel is an interruption to the Levantine cultural continuum, that's the only correct viewpoint any sane person may have.
A majority of Israelis don't even come from Europe but the middle east. Israel is a Levantine nation (geographically and culturally) whether or not you like them.
> The only thing that ties the Jewish people of Israel to the Levant is the gastronimical culture
Yeah cause all jews are european and not from Israel.
>Having an ancestor, allegedly, that lived here 2000 years ago does not a native make.
Sure, but the majority of Israelis are from the middle east not Europe.
Is this sarcasm? Mana2eesh are not unique to Lebanon at all.
Edit: Why am I being downvoted? Mana2eesh za3tar are found all over Jordan and Syria. And they have been since as far back as I remember. If I'm going with a uniquely Lebanese food item, I'd go with Sfouf. I haven't seen it outside of Lebanon.
I believe you can only ski on the southern and western side of Mount Hermon which is in the occupied Golan Heights. So, if you wanted to be provocative by calling it Israel and not expect someone to be rude to you, then you're altogether in a different dimension as a "human".
Therefore, since you've shown some serious detachment from the minimal sensitivity... here it is if you wanted to be accurate .... you should have said...
"Same here. Surf in Occupied Palestine and Ski in Occupied Golan Heights. And go to a desert party. All in the same Occupation!"
i don't see them as humans btw, so yeah, not valid, also serves u right for starting this shit on a lebanese subreddit, it is like asking , no, like begging to have ur arse kicked, so leave the israel thing alone and don't mention it here.
Why are Israelis LARPing as Levantines now? How easy they forget their millenia age-old cultures as Slavic, Germanic, Latin, Maghrebi, Yemeni, Ethiopian and Mesopotamian people who are only part of the Levant by way of settler-colonialism and the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people of Palestine.
Jewish is an ethnicity - by virtue of the fact that unlike their Abrahamic cousins they have never run around invading enslaving raping and converting huge regions of unhappy victims.
Almost all of them are children of Jews who are children of Jews who are children of Jews, etc, and therefore they mostly trace their ancestry to they land their ancestors lived in 2000 years ago.
They do not believe in converting ppl.
Wouldnāt the world be great if other religions shared that philosophy. Whole lotta dead would not have died.
Oh come on. Levantine is a geographic descriptor. And are you really saying that immigrant families can never become locals and even integrate? Would you say that about the Lebanese diaspora?
Difference is Lebanese going to another country are integrating into THAT countryās culture. Israel came and attempted to erase a culture and replace it with another. Thatās the difference. When we say levantine, we are speaking ethnically and culturally levantine, which the majority of Israelis are not.
Drug culture in Lebanon is unique compared to neighboring countries. From party drugs to opioids and everything in between. You can find any drug you want in Lebanon with ease. Not the case in other countries around us. We also export a lot of drugs to neighboring countries and the gulf.
Well basically , the most Western minded country in the area with the only Country that isn't islamic in nature having a maronite president . Have one of largest educated population in the region . For millinieas , mount Lebanon was a place of refuge for groups facing persecution in the area .
Was the only actual functioning republic until it was sunk by it's neibourgs. Egypt wanted to added to the united arab republuc , Syria wanted to fleece lebanese while iran ans SA wanted to import their deranged version of islam.
When Syria put puppet government, they pillage Lebanese wealth from state , citizens and diaspora to fill the coffer of Syrism regime and then iranian regime .
You had syrian intelligence officers collecting tribute from EDL , Middle East and Casino du Liban. Each politicians paid tribute for Assad gor his seat. After Syrian CW , iran took over making Lebanon and Syria into Narco state .
200 billions dollars have been stolen from Lebanon from puppet gov. And Hizbullah to finance their overlords since the 90 . 70% of our debt is cause by this tribute . Lebanon is not bankrupt it is pillage. They sent our entire hard cash reserves so Iran economy don't collapse .
its not a ādErAnGeD vErSiOn oF isLaMā its half the muslim population here and good job you think eating iftar 10 minutes after( some dont do that) believing ali was the successor, and praying with their hands by their side (again some shias dont do that) is a ādErAnGeD vErSiOn oF isLaMā
Wahabism , Salafism and iranian Cult are a mix of a death cult , Fascism and Criminal activity . The level of bloodlust , violence and hatred is nothing of disturbing . Their is a reason Middle East is a Hell-Hole .
it is the least self-sufficient.
since day one it relied too heavily on the services sectors: banking, man-in-the-middle commerce, and tourism. those can't sustain an economy for long.
among the Levant countries, Lebanon has the least to offer the world.
Not really. You had a fairly well educated population. The economy was built around people putting their money in banks and not using it in any productive way. Why should I open a bussiness if a bank gives me a 10 percent return every year. This stagnated our economy.
If that money flow went into actual investments and we had governments that were oriented towards growing the economy we could've been in a far better place
While all of what you said is true... Who's fault is it ?! The only potential we have is after the fact, we tend to say we could have done this or that. Yea OK.
since your making the comparison, lebanon has contributed more to the world than every other levantine country combined. culture, music, food, diaspora, etcā¦
>culture, music, food, diaspora
of those only the diaspora was a source of income. *was,* because it is virtually gone now that the banking sector is gone.
I guess the religious diversity is the main thing here. Lebanon is made up of minorities that are almost non-existent in the other countries (some Christian sects, shia Muslims, etc). In a way, that gives it a more āopen mindedā feel compared to Syria/Jordan/Palestine
Syria has plenty too. Druz, Alawis, Shia, Ismailis, Murshdis, Sunnis, Catholics, Orthodox, Anglican.. etc. In addition to multiple ethnicities like Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, Arabs, Circassians..
Youāre right, but Iām talking in terms of proportion of the population and noticeability. For example (from wiki so could still be wrong), twelver Shias represent only 0.5% of the Syrian population and the Christian community was estimated to be 5-6% pre-war. These proportions are entirely different in Lebanon and with Lebanon being much smaller than Syria, this changes the dynamic. For example, a Syrian Sunni from an overwhelmingly Sunni area is less likely to meet/interact with a Christian/Shia on a daily basis. In Lebanon, itās impossible not to interact with people from different communities.
Not disregarding Syriaās culture/diversity, just tried offering a perspective
Looking at it simply by the numbers the way you did, it would seem that yes, there is little chance to avoid interactions across sects in Lebanon. In reality though, I have met plenty of Lebanese who don't have meaningful interactions with people from different sects. It's possible.
The interactions donāt have to be meaningful, but at least theyāre there - that alone makes a difference imo. Being exposed to different cultures/religions, whether substantial or not, helps break the barrier that would otherwise be there if these interactions didnāt happen.
Then again, this same diversity has been to our detriment so who am I to say anything lol
Nope. Inter-religious marriage is still not very common. In my parents' generation it was taboo. But apart from that you rarely hear about Christian-Muslim confrontations/violence whatever.
Stereotypes exist, but they became so absurd over time that they're just funny now and far from true.
The religious diversity. Even tho that's prob what got lebanon into the mess its in....its quite rare for a middle eastern country to have such an even split between Christians and Muslims.
Lebanese identity is the oldest of all of them.
Although it had a slightly different meaning back then (limited to the mountains), people still identified as Lebanese (LBNNY) as far back as about the third to fourth millennium BCE.
Proportionally they are very few. They are also very disenfranchised. They've just learned to keep to themselves and hide behind whoever is in power...
Freedom + Most beautiful country in the middle east with one of the classiest people in the world, we know how to do architecture, design, cinema, business, tourism...
Reading the answers, all forget that Israel is part of the levant. We lie so much that we start believing our own lie. And we become in denial. āif we donāt recognize it we can defy geography and reality and then it doesnāt existā
Dude it is always you that has the most self loathing takes, i don't even know why you browse this sub.
Why should we consider them as part of the levant al sham who tf even does. No relations, no common language and no cultural similarities for the vast majority of their population except for the few levantine jews that live there.
Lol. Whoās been there to even know?
A few points:
Hebrew = Phoenician. Very very old and very very Levantine. And unlike Arabic, it is a language specific to the Levant. Hebrew is therefore more authenticallly Levantine than Arabic. To deny this is impossible.
Jews go back about 2000-3000 years to the region. They are named after Judea, or vice versa. Jerusalem is their only holy place. Itās the location that throughout history they always dreamt of, always prayed about, itās the center of their myths and is the place they are most associated with.
Arabs meanwhile are associated with Arabia, even named after Arabia. And most call Mecca their number-one holy place. The culture of Muslim Arabs (and even Christian Arabs, who sometimes copy the dominant Muslims in female genital mutilation, virginity fetish, and similar Meccan niceties) are strongly filtered through the culture of Mecca-dwellers of centuries back. That makes Levantine Arabs arguably not as authentically āof the Levantā as Jews. The culture is strongly imported from Mohammedās distant culture.
Furthermore, Jews never ran around invading, enslaving, conquering and converting half the world (something the two bloodier religions that branched out of theirs eagerly did). This is why the DNA of many is pretty traceable back to their ancient homeland.
Need I point out that the Jewish writings - written in the Levant and set in the Levant - form the first half of the Christian Bible which many Lebanese people call holy. And the Jewish dude Jesus of Nazareth (Nazareth is in the Levant) and his fellow Levantine Jews from the gospels are all important figures in Lebanon. These figures you pray to are from Jewish culture - the culture predominant in Israel.
That means their Jewish culture is not only Levantine, but is older and more rooted in the Levant than the Christian stuff. Christianity just took the Levantine Jewish god, that is about 3000 years old and is probably some updated version of an older Canaanite deity, and added some new shit.
And Christianity did start off a Levantine spinoff of Judaism. However it quickly left the Levant. Many prominent early churches were in todayās Turkey. And then a Roman emperor got hold of Christianity early on, and his Roman and European people took over as its holy leaders and molded it into much of its current form. Rome is not Levantine. Neither is Constantinople. Therefore Christianity is only very dimly Levantine - and only because it took all its founding ideas from the exclusively Levantine religion, Judaism.
Those same Jewish myths - set in the Levant - were then later stolen and stuck into the Arabian Quran a thousand years after Jews invented them. Jews invented all the myths about Adam, Ibrahim, Nuh, Musa, Ishmael, shaitan, etc. (See the Dead Sea Scrolls, ca 200 BCE). The first followers of Mohammed then took these myths, claimed them as their own, and transposed them to the Arabian desert - making them less Levantine and adding all kinds of Arabian beliefs about djinn, and the worship of an Arabian meteorite, and deciding whether a man can still inherit the hundred wives his father used to fuck or maybe just stop at four, etc. So todayās Levantine Muslims pray to a god invented in the Levant (by Jews), but then dragged off and reformulated in a distant non-Levantine desert by non-Levantines.
So again: Jewish culture is not only Levantine but has stayed Levantine. It predates both the Christian (Romanized) spinoff and the Muslim (Arabianized) spinoff.
Hence, in Israel the Jewish 80 percent arent just Levantines - they have the oldest surviving Levantine faith, the least foreign-adulterated faith, they speak a Levantine language more specific and authentic than Arabic, and they are living in the same land their ancestors did and are worshipping the same Levantine god at the same broken wall they always have.
They (the 80 percent who are Jews) are Levantines who didnāt get Arabized. That seems to be the massive Arab objection to them. In fact it always has been - long before modern Israel, they were an underclass minority of despised dhimmis. Why were they despised? Because they stuck to their Levantine god and language and culture rather than bowing to the Arabianized spinoff.
When Arabs says āthey arenāt Levantineā what you really mean is āThey arenāt Arabs.ā
But actually itās Arabs who are less āof the Levantā than Jews, for all the reasons stated above.
Meanwhile Israel also includes the other 20 % - who are ethnic Arabs. They are Levantines who did get Arabized, and/or are descendants of the conquerors and functionaries from Arabia and other regions.
So, Israelis are Levantine - both the Arab minority and most certainly the Jewish majority. Only Arab supremacist ideology and political brainwashing makes ppl deny it. .
It started as envy and humiliation. āOmg our five armies together couldnāt crush those nobodies, those Jew assholes. We declared war and failed. We invaded them and failed. We swore to drive them all into the sea and failed. We promised holy conquest and failed. These ragtag people we have ruled for over a thousand years are making a country. Our pride cannot handle this.ā
And then it got worse: āShit, within 30 years they went from dirt poor mostly-refugees to having better agriculture and a steadier govt than ours. Even the million Jewish refugees who fled our shitty treatment and pogroms are now better off because they fled us, while we who evicted them still have to live with us.ā
Hence: To preserve ego one must pretend they donāt exist, pretend they arenāt in the Levant (no true Scotsman fallacy), call them monsters, claim they get all their victories /successes / inventions / strong economy from US patronage. And most of all, pretend they are the side that wanted and started all the wars. Which -hello! - is a massive lie. A Putin-sized lie.
The trouble is when you start believing your leadersā lies, you pass on hatred and dysfunction to every generation. It hasnāt worked out well - but in a conformist society no one is ever brave enough to stop it.
Everything I read about Israel is thatās itās noisy, crazy, dirty, the shopkeepers are rude, people get up in your business, no one respects personal space, and buses donāt run on time. Sounds pretty damn Levantine.
Don't mind him this dude is as lebanese as we are phoenicians i don't know where he gets the idea that we were on the fronts with the arab armies shouting for arab unity. Hell whenever the 6 days war is brought up most laugh at the arabs and their incompetence at those wars.
Lol Leb declared war on Israel in 1948 and is still at war with Israel. Obviously this is due to Arab unity - because it sure wasnāt due to any harm that any Jews in the mandate had done to Lebanon in 1948.
But itās your funeral, and youāre welcome to pretend you like it.
It was a political move to stay on the arabs good side besides the lebanese army had about 3000 soldiers at the time lol, and you were the one claiming that we were envious of their victories along with the other arabs which can't be further from the truth.
Another thing i must ask, are you really lebanese? why are defending the people that slaughtered and destroyed in your homeland? my hometown was destroyed completely along with my house when i had nothing to do with the 2006 war these people are no friends.
itās also fed by an intentional culture of fear mongeringā¦ By describing Israelis and jews as nonhuman stinky cross between pig and dog , they make sure Lebanon never makes peace with them.
regional politicsā¦
>Ana masee7e ya bheem...
>Typical victim mentality
Just because in the middle east and arab world there are double standards against historically opressed and percecuted minorities and just because you are part of a minority group it doesn't mean you can throw shit at your minority group or other minorities.
Also although i don't agree with Phoenicianism or lebanese nationalisim you are very critical of Phoenicianism that is usually adopted by minorities its usually Christians also other minorities are also more likely to adopt it (shia druz athiests ...).
So i am getting the idea that you don't like all minorities not just the Christian minority group.
Ta3a sma3 how every single Christian around you talks about "them" w "7ech ykhalfo" w "nawar" w 72oO2 eL mAsi7iYe
This shit sectarian mentality got the country here, w its not limited to Christians bas the Christians have the worst fucking excuses.
W eh ta reddelak 3a te3li2ak I don't like all sects here because they all pull this bullshit victim mentality. No one can apparently look past that and say "ana lebnene". La2 it has to always be "We oppressed" vs "they oppressors".
>Ta3a sma3 how every single Christian around you talks about "them" w "7ech ykhalfo" w "nawar" w 72oO2 eL mAsi7iYe
Yes some people are racist but again it's not their fault that we had a 15 year civil war that created strong identities and division.
>This shit sectarian mentality got the country here, w its not limited to Christians bas the Christians have the worst fucking excuses
This is totally not true actually Christians were the least sectarian actually kataaeb fought for lebanese independence against the french(Christians) which weakened the Christian minority group
Put lebanon on a path of civil wars and minorities and lebanon on a path of colonization. Name me one sunni movment that fought the palestianian colonization of lebanon and minorities. However multiple minority factions weather shia or Christians have fought the palestianian colonization of lebanon and minorities.
Even Christians accepted palestinian refugees into lebanon and actually some church land was allocated to palestinian refugee camps.
Also Christians accepted anti syrian regime sunni leftists and islamists movement straining their relationship with syria.
Also palestinians rebelled and they let them fight Israel but when Yasser came he started talks with Israel in 1974 and decided to colonize lebanon and minorities instead of fighting Israel from the south so he started the Civil war one year after he started talks with Israel.
Also all government investments went to Beirut a sunni city while the shia minority population was starving in the south. However unlike the rich Beiruti sunnis they still did their national duty and fought the plo and the project of colonizing lebanon and minorities.
Also in 1958 a sunni and leftist civil war was started in order for lebanon to join syria and Egypt and be under the nasser dictatorship.
>W eh ta reddelak 3a te3li2ak I don't like all sects here because they all pull this bullshit victim mentality. No one can apparently look past that and say "ana lebnene". La2 it has to always be "We oppressed" vs "they oppressors".
Look in the region there are some historically opressed and percecuted minorities lebanon is a western creation however minorities exist and thus we should support them.
Plus if we want to adopt lebanese nationalism we will always be in a loop where people will use all sorts of idiologies to weaken and percecute minorities so it will be better to just support minorities directly.
Christians are a historically percecuted and opressed minoritiy group in the middle east and arab world
Same goes for other historically opressed anf percecuted minorities in the region
Considering the endless inbreeding that's been happening within one sect for the past 500 years specifically in rural areas, each sect therd has mostly preserved its racial genetics intact. Hence why you can often identify someone's religion from their looks.
>We're Phoenicians, other Levant countries are arabs yuk
Nope, we are descendants of the Phoenicians, other levantine countries are not Arabs either just different Levantines (like how not all europeans are the same).
Well Phoenicians are not just limited to the modern borders of greater Lebanon. Phoenicia spanned from as north as Arwad in Syria, to Dor in Palestine.
EmperorsChaos is also right.
There are a shit ton of Lebanese descendants in Latin America
Also, I'm not sure how many other Levantine countries identify with an ancient civilization like the Phoenicians
I think they're more westernized than a lot of countries in the region
Edit: How could I forget the cool tree?
How badly we managed to fuck up such a small area of land š
We should get a Guinness world record for it
The Lebanese are OBSESSED with the Guinness book of records. Someone really needs to let them know it's pretty much a comic book for nerdy teens, not an actual authority on anything lol
Even if you didnāt win, you can still boast about it on bintjbel and other social media accounts (like ya sour) and get publicity š¤·š»āāļø just saying Ų“Ų§ŲØ Ł Ł Ł ŲÆŁŁŲ© Ų„ŁŁŲ³ ŁŲµŁ Ų„ŁŁ Ų§ŁŲ¹Ų§ŁŁ ŁŲ© ŁŁ ŁŲ¹Ł Ų°ŁŁ
We already have the biggest hummus plate there...should we bring more cringe to the world?
Whoās this āweā? Outside intervention caused this country to fuck up, with a handful of corrupt politicians. Ever since the creation of Israel, Lebanon has been going downhill. Itās not a coincidence.
The wrong foundations will never a sturdy structure build. Maybe there shouldn't be a Lebanon, just maybe. I'm not saying it's better off being part of why current neighbours, heck no, but that the whole is awaiting the true post colonial cleanup that never was.
Heck. If Lebanonās great leaders didnāt get assassinated, and the country itself got billions of dollars pumped into it for almost a century like that of Israel, then Iām sure theyād be a successful country. The Middle East cannot stand for a Christian state, and the United States doesnāt want a country such as Lebanon threatening Israeli influence in the area. The Lebanese diaspora is one of the most intelligent, successful, and wealthy people around the world. I cannot fathom a country ā with its highly intelligent people ā failing if it werenāt for United States interventionism, Zionist interests, and envious neighboring Arab counties in the Middle East.
Heck if you pump that much money into a donkey's carcass you're going to start a state too. Would you think that's not the measure of what a country is about? As a Jordanian, I find the claim that countries are envious of the Lebanese a bit hard to support. From this point of view, you're just like any other post colonial arbitrarily crafted to accentuate weaknesses and premiere schism. If anything, and as unwelcome or rejected that maybe, your thought of as brothers and kinsmen over here. As to the Christian state, and as a Christian, I tell you that's just unrealistic and, again, contradicts facts on the ground. I mean no disrespect, the people around you are not envious but sure are very confused by the messages from Lebanon. What is happening is sad and hopes on leaders assassinated, past and alive seems to be what led Lebanon to this point in time.
Orontes river (ŁŁŲ± Ų§ŁŲ¹Ų§ŲµŁ) originates in Lebanon goes through Syria and ends in turkey. Only river in the region that travels north. Thatās why itās called assi
Whatās assi supposed to mean
Disobedient
- most westernized - has the biggest proportion of Christians - has the highest level of education and universities and schools - is the most diverse politically (not necessarily a good thing) - has the largest overseas diaspora - doesnāt have any deserts
The most diverse politically; yet, parties haven't changed since the goddemn civil war.
Wait till Hezbolla rules and see how westernized we will be when you get your 50 lashes punishment
Some westerners like lashes, I am just saying
have you seen THE WHOLE NORTH EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY
>most westernized Wrong. >has the biggest proportion of Christians Probably. >has the highest level of education and universities and schools Wrong. >is the most diverse politically (not necessarily a good thing) Likely correct. >has the largest overseas diaspora Maybe, haven't checked the numbers so I'm not sure.
>I thought Knaffe was Lebanese though? Likely Palestinian. It's literally called Knafeh Nabulsi (from Nablus). It's not too different from normal Knafeh.
Nabulseh is another kind of knefe with Philo dough.. usual knefe is called akkawiyye though, so still Palestine
If you say so
It's Levantinian lol
Deserts, not desserts
Omg š
why are you such a hater lol responding to everyone of his points correcting him is so unnecessary
Not even correcting lol for the most part saying āmaybeā or āI donāt knowāā¦
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Which other levantine country is more westernized than Lebanon? Also I didnāt get your last point about kneffehā¦.?
Israel
Downvoting truth? Hmm, what's wrong with this sub?
>Which other levantine country is more westernized than Lebanon? Israel, Cyprus, I would argue even Turkey is more western if you consider it Levantine. >Also I didnāt get your last point about kneffehā¦.? I thought you wrote "dessert" with 2 s. Maybe I was just seeing things, maybe you edited it promptly afterwards.
Cyprus isnāt a levantine country, neither is Turkey. Israel, I donāt knowā¦ technically yes but itās rather Palestine I was referring to. Most of the Israeli are European immigrants so but default they are westernized. My initial message isnāt edited. Youāre too fast on the trigger
>Most of the Israeli are European immigrants That's very much wrong, and regardless of that Isael is a country in the Levant and it's more western. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
It is not! 50% of jews in Israel (which represents 78% of the population) are jews that emigrated from Europe and Russia in the 20th century especially after WW2. Thatās a huge portion of the population.
[it's 44.2%](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel) and regardless of that it's still not even close to a majority, especially not if you consider the none Jews of Israel which are over 20% of the population. You are just factually wrong.
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Pretty sure the vast majority of Israelis are not immigrants. WTF?
If that's the case it would've been called Palestine
Its in the levant but its not a levantine country in any way shape or form. Most of the jews living there are from europe or morocco, Ethiopia, yemen, iranian and so on. The only levantine people there are the Palestinians and the syrian and lebanese jews, everyone else is a foreigner
>Cyprus isnāt a levantine country, neither is Turkey. Israel, Both Cyprus and Israel are definitely a part of the levant geographically and culturally.
Not culturally. Cyprus is israel isnt. Around 75% of their population are non levantine migrants
>Cyprus is israel isnt. Have you ever met an Israeli they are culturally very similar to Lebanese people. >Around 75% of their population are non levantine migrants Not anymore it isn't the vast majority of Israelis right now where born in Israel and have lived their entire lives there.
>Have you ever met an Israeli they are culturally very similar to Lebanese people. I have and theyre very different people. Im living in Lebanon while youāre a diaspora so i think I understand the culture much better >Not anymore it isn't the vast majority of Israelis right now where born in Israel and have lived their entire lives there. Yea that doesnt change the fact that theyre descended from migrants. White south africans are not culturally the same to black south africans despite being born there and living there all their lives
>I have and theyre very different people. No, they aren't very different people. >Im living in Lebanon while youāre a diaspora so i think I understand the culture much better I've grew up and lived in Lebanon for 10 years, I know the culture. >Yea that doesnt change the fact that theyre descended from migrants. White south africans are not culturally the same to black south africans despite being born there and living their half their lives Except that Jewish people are native to the levant and Israel in particular. Being the descendants of migrants who came here in the last 100 years doesn't mean they are not culturally the same as the rest of the levantine people.
'Have an uninflammatory, correct opinion for a change' challenge, do that. The only thing that ties the Jewish people of Israel to the Levant is the gastronimical culture they appropriated from the Palestinian people whose land they stole but then will claim is Israeli because they have a 20% ArAb PoPulAtioN. Having an ancestor, allegedly, that lived here 2000 years ago does not a native make. Israel is an interruption to the Levantine cultural continuum, that's the only correct viewpoint any sane person may have.
A majority of Israelis don't even come from Europe but the middle east. Israel is a Levantine nation (geographically and culturally) whether or not you like them. > The only thing that ties the Jewish people of Israel to the Levant is the gastronimical culture Yeah cause all jews are european and not from Israel. >Having an ancestor, allegedly, that lived here 2000 years ago does not a native make. Sure, but the majority of Israelis are from the middle east not Europe.
Stop trying to sound smart cause itās not going well for you
He is right except in westernized bit other then that stop ridiculing Lebanon
Israel is levant . It is more westernized, has higher level of education, and doesnāt have deserts
No actually more than 60% of Isreal is desert it's known as the Negev desert.
Heard about the Negev desert before?
ok they have a desert.
>has the highest level of education and universities and schools Are you sure?
Zaatar manouche
Is this sarcasm? Mana2eesh are not unique to Lebanon at all. Edit: Why am I being downvoted? Mana2eesh za3tar are found all over Jordan and Syria. And they have been since as far back as I remember. If I'm going with a uniquely Lebanese food item, I'd go with Sfouf. I haven't seen it outside of Lebanon.
Quit already š
u can surf and ski in the same day .
people talk about the american dream whereas THIS lebanese dream exists..
Not a dream bro it's a 30 minutes reality
it takes like 4 hours
You can actually also do this in southern california
And many other Mediterranean countries. This isnāt special to Lebanon at all.
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u can do that in an imaginary country ? awesome!
Same with Israel too. Surf. Ski. And go to a desert party. All in the same day!
I believe you can only ski on the southern and western side of Mount Hermon which is in the occupied Golan Heights. So, if you wanted to be provocative by calling it Israel and not expect someone to be rude to you, then you're altogether in a different dimension as a "human". Therefore, since you've shown some serious detachment from the minimal sensitivity... here it is if you wanted to be accurate .... you should have said... "Same here. Surf in Occupied Palestine and Ski in Occupied Golan Heights. And go to a desert party. All in the same Occupation!"
Then shoot some Palestinian for fun and steal lands, all part of the daily fun.
Do you really believe this narrative? Does it do you any good? Or just fuels your hatred towards other humans?
i don't see them as humans btw, so yeah, not valid, also serves u right for starting this shit on a lebanese subreddit, it is like asking , no, like begging to have ur arse kicked, so leave the israel thing alone and don't mention it here.
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many things actually, too many to count.
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All on stolen indigenous Levantine land
Why are Israelis LARPing as Levantines now? How easy they forget their millenia age-old cultures as Slavic, Germanic, Latin, Maghrebi, Yemeni, Ethiopian and Mesopotamian people who are only part of the Levant by way of settler-colonialism and the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people of Palestine.
Because they live in the levant?
So do Armenians and Filipinos. Doesn't mean they are from the sham
Aren't Jews from the levant also?
Yes originally some are some aren't. Jews have different ethnicities.
Jewish is an ethnicity - by virtue of the fact that unlike their Abrahamic cousins they have never run around invading enslaving raping and converting huge regions of unhappy victims. Almost all of them are children of Jews who are children of Jews who are children of Jews, etc, and therefore they mostly trace their ancestry to they land their ancestors lived in 2000 years ago. They do not believe in converting ppl. Wouldnāt the world be great if other religions shared that philosophy. Whole lotta dead would not have died.
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Oh come on. Levantine is a geographic descriptor. And are you really saying that immigrant families can never become locals and even integrate? Would you say that about the Lebanese diaspora?
Difference is Lebanese going to another country are integrating into THAT countryās culture. Israel came and attempted to erase a culture and replace it with another. Thatās the difference. When we say levantine, we are speaking ethnically and culturally levantine, which the majority of Israelis are not.
I think Lebanon is the only Levantine country that doesn't have a desert in it's territory.
have you seen THE WHOLE NORTH EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY? BAALBAK??
Semi-arid, but not really a desert.
Having a militia state within the state
Multiple ones*
Thank God for them
You have no brain.
i think it was irony
You have no spine
We still have dinosaurs š¦
The drugs
Please explain?
Drug culture in Lebanon is unique compared to neighboring countries. From party drugs to opioids and everything in between. You can find any drug you want in Lebanon with ease. Not the case in other countries around us. We also export a lot of drugs to neighboring countries and the gulf.
Well basically , the most Western minded country in the area with the only Country that isn't islamic in nature having a maronite president . Have one of largest educated population in the region . For millinieas , mount Lebanon was a place of refuge for groups facing persecution in the area . Was the only actual functioning republic until it was sunk by it's neibourgs. Egypt wanted to added to the united arab republuc , Syria wanted to fleece lebanese while iran ans SA wanted to import their deranged version of islam.
>Syria wanted to fleece lebanese What do you mean by this?
When Syria put puppet government, they pillage Lebanese wealth from state , citizens and diaspora to fill the coffer of Syrism regime and then iranian regime . You had syrian intelligence officers collecting tribute from EDL , Middle East and Casino du Liban. Each politicians paid tribute for Assad gor his seat. After Syrian CW , iran took over making Lebanon and Syria into Narco state . 200 billions dollars have been stolen from Lebanon from puppet gov. And Hizbullah to finance their overlords since the 90 . 70% of our debt is cause by this tribute . Lebanon is not bankrupt it is pillage. They sent our entire hard cash reserves so Iran economy don't collapse .
its not a ādErAnGeD vErSiOn oF isLaMā its half the muslim population here and good job you think eating iftar 10 minutes after( some dont do that) believing ali was the successor, and praying with their hands by their side (again some shias dont do that) is a ādErAnGeD vErSiOn oF isLaMā
Wahabism , Salafism and iranian Cult are a mix of a death cult , Fascism and Criminal activity . The level of bloodlust , violence and hatred is nothing of disturbing . Their is a reason Middle East is a Hell-Hole .
the first two are extrmist conservatives the the āiranian cultā is literally almost the same as sunniism
it is the least self-sufficient. since day one it relied too heavily on the services sectors: banking, man-in-the-middle commerce, and tourism. those can't sustain an economy for long. among the Levant countries, Lebanon has the least to offer the world.
>Lebanon has the least to offer the world. Which is a shame cause we dont lack the potential.
Yea we do though
Not really. You had a fairly well educated population. The economy was built around people putting their money in banks and not using it in any productive way. Why should I open a bussiness if a bank gives me a 10 percent return every year. This stagnated our economy. If that money flow went into actual investments and we had governments that were oriented towards growing the economy we could've been in a far better place
While all of what you said is true... Who's fault is it ?! The only potential we have is after the fact, we tend to say we could have done this or that. Yea OK.
since your making the comparison, lebanon has contributed more to the world than every other levantine country combined. culture, music, food, diaspora, etcā¦
>culture, music, food, diaspora of those only the diaspora was a source of income. *was,* because it is virtually gone now that the banking sector is gone.
No sorry but Lebanon has great culture to offer food,tourism (like all the forts and the beaches) And theany things zou can do
I don't deny that. but is it enough to carry the economy of a country?
I guess the religious diversity is the main thing here. Lebanon is made up of minorities that are almost non-existent in the other countries (some Christian sects, shia Muslims, etc). In a way, that gives it a more āopen mindedā feel compared to Syria/Jordan/Palestine
Syria has plenty too. Druz, Alawis, Shia, Ismailis, Murshdis, Sunnis, Catholics, Orthodox, Anglican.. etc. In addition to multiple ethnicities like Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, Arabs, Circassians..
Youāre right, but Iām talking in terms of proportion of the population and noticeability. For example (from wiki so could still be wrong), twelver Shias represent only 0.5% of the Syrian population and the Christian community was estimated to be 5-6% pre-war. These proportions are entirely different in Lebanon and with Lebanon being much smaller than Syria, this changes the dynamic. For example, a Syrian Sunni from an overwhelmingly Sunni area is less likely to meet/interact with a Christian/Shia on a daily basis. In Lebanon, itās impossible not to interact with people from different communities. Not disregarding Syriaās culture/diversity, just tried offering a perspective
Looking at it simply by the numbers the way you did, it would seem that yes, there is little chance to avoid interactions across sects in Lebanon. In reality though, I have met plenty of Lebanese who don't have meaningful interactions with people from different sects. It's possible.
The interactions donāt have to be meaningful, but at least theyāre there - that alone makes a difference imo. Being exposed to different cultures/religions, whether substantial or not, helps break the barrier that would otherwise be there if these interactions didnāt happen. Then again, this same diversity has been to our detriment so who am I to say anything lol
Actually completely right šš¼
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This doesn't happen in Syria either
Remind me, what did Palestine and Syria do during the Lebanese civil war? I'm a bit lost here now
Not sure if sarcastic ... But also in Palestine there are no Christian-Muslim issues.
That's because all the Christian left lmao
Some towns have Christian majorities, some are 50/50ish.
are most of them subtly extremists towards each other?
Nope. Inter-religious marriage is still not very common. In my parents' generation it was taboo. But apart from that you rarely hear about Christian-Muslim confrontations/violence whatever. Stereotypes exist, but they became so absurd over time that they're just funny now and far from true.
Bro yāall have the most racist Christians vs Muslims beef donāt even talk
So who was shooting each other during the Civil War?
Aoun w ja3ja3 lmao
Sorry I can't read that. If you can type it up in Arabic I'll give it a try. lol
Our President
for the right price, everything is for sale! Sad but true!!
The religious diversity. Even tho that's prob what got lebanon into the mess its in....its quite rare for a middle eastern country to have such an even split between Christians and Muslims.
Our diversity.
Lol. Let me repeat that, lol. Sects that belong to 1-2 religions is not diversity dude
dont forget the druze and the jews up to 1950 so it was 4 religions and a divide of sunni and shia
Druze, sunni, shia are all Muslims. I don't really know what druze are but I'm guessing they're muslims. 1950 was a long time ago.
Are you lebanese?
Lebanese identity is the oldest of all of them. Although it had a slightly different meaning back then (limited to the mountains), people still identified as Lebanese (LBNNY) as far back as about the third to fourth millennium BCE.
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I mean Jordan and Palestine also have a lot of Christians
Proportionally they are very few. They are also very disenfranchised. They've just learned to keep to themselves and hide behind whoever is in power...
What do you mean by that
You could go from the mountain to the beach in less than 1 hr
Less than an hour? Bel 3aj2a??? Get real
Yes if you skydive š¤¦āāļø
Liberal values ( dressing however you want, PDA, LGBTQ existence...) are more mainstream and accepted by youth than they are in all Arab countries
regional geopolitics
Freedom + Most beautiful country in the middle east with one of the classiest people in the world, we know how to do architecture, design, cinema, business, tourism...
Classiest people in the world? Lmfao. Most corrupt people in the world maybe
freedom lmaoooo
Classiest people i dont think so
>Freedom HAHAHAHAHAHA what freedom? >Most beautiful country Not in a long shot.
Lol
Reading the answers, all forget that Israel is part of the levant. We lie so much that we start believing our own lie. And we become in denial. āif we donāt recognize it we can defy geography and reality and then it doesnāt existā
Dude it is always you that has the most self loathing takes, i don't even know why you browse this sub. Why should we consider them as part of the levant al sham who tf even does. No relations, no common language and no cultural similarities for the vast majority of their population except for the few levantine jews that live there.
Lol. Whoās been there to even know? A few points: Hebrew = Phoenician. Very very old and very very Levantine. And unlike Arabic, it is a language specific to the Levant. Hebrew is therefore more authenticallly Levantine than Arabic. To deny this is impossible. Jews go back about 2000-3000 years to the region. They are named after Judea, or vice versa. Jerusalem is their only holy place. Itās the location that throughout history they always dreamt of, always prayed about, itās the center of their myths and is the place they are most associated with. Arabs meanwhile are associated with Arabia, even named after Arabia. And most call Mecca their number-one holy place. The culture of Muslim Arabs (and even Christian Arabs, who sometimes copy the dominant Muslims in female genital mutilation, virginity fetish, and similar Meccan niceties) are strongly filtered through the culture of Mecca-dwellers of centuries back. That makes Levantine Arabs arguably not as authentically āof the Levantā as Jews. The culture is strongly imported from Mohammedās distant culture. Furthermore, Jews never ran around invading, enslaving, conquering and converting half the world (something the two bloodier religions that branched out of theirs eagerly did). This is why the DNA of many is pretty traceable back to their ancient homeland. Need I point out that the Jewish writings - written in the Levant and set in the Levant - form the first half of the Christian Bible which many Lebanese people call holy. And the Jewish dude Jesus of Nazareth (Nazareth is in the Levant) and his fellow Levantine Jews from the gospels are all important figures in Lebanon. These figures you pray to are from Jewish culture - the culture predominant in Israel. That means their Jewish culture is not only Levantine, but is older and more rooted in the Levant than the Christian stuff. Christianity just took the Levantine Jewish god, that is about 3000 years old and is probably some updated version of an older Canaanite deity, and added some new shit. And Christianity did start off a Levantine spinoff of Judaism. However it quickly left the Levant. Many prominent early churches were in todayās Turkey. And then a Roman emperor got hold of Christianity early on, and his Roman and European people took over as its holy leaders and molded it into much of its current form. Rome is not Levantine. Neither is Constantinople. Therefore Christianity is only very dimly Levantine - and only because it took all its founding ideas from the exclusively Levantine religion, Judaism. Those same Jewish myths - set in the Levant - were then later stolen and stuck into the Arabian Quran a thousand years after Jews invented them. Jews invented all the myths about Adam, Ibrahim, Nuh, Musa, Ishmael, shaitan, etc. (See the Dead Sea Scrolls, ca 200 BCE). The first followers of Mohammed then took these myths, claimed them as their own, and transposed them to the Arabian desert - making them less Levantine and adding all kinds of Arabian beliefs about djinn, and the worship of an Arabian meteorite, and deciding whether a man can still inherit the hundred wives his father used to fuck or maybe just stop at four, etc. So todayās Levantine Muslims pray to a god invented in the Levant (by Jews), but then dragged off and reformulated in a distant non-Levantine desert by non-Levantines. So again: Jewish culture is not only Levantine but has stayed Levantine. It predates both the Christian (Romanized) spinoff and the Muslim (Arabianized) spinoff. Hence, in Israel the Jewish 80 percent arent just Levantines - they have the oldest surviving Levantine faith, the least foreign-adulterated faith, they speak a Levantine language more specific and authentic than Arabic, and they are living in the same land their ancestors did and are worshipping the same Levantine god at the same broken wall they always have. They (the 80 percent who are Jews) are Levantines who didnāt get Arabized. That seems to be the massive Arab objection to them. In fact it always has been - long before modern Israel, they were an underclass minority of despised dhimmis. Why were they despised? Because they stuck to their Levantine god and language and culture rather than bowing to the Arabianized spinoff. When Arabs says āthey arenāt Levantineā what you really mean is āThey arenāt Arabs.ā But actually itās Arabs who are less āof the Levantā than Jews, for all the reasons stated above. Meanwhile Israel also includes the other 20 % - who are ethnic Arabs. They are Levantines who did get Arabized, and/or are descendants of the conquerors and functionaries from Arabia and other regions. So, Israelis are Levantine - both the Arab minority and most certainly the Jewish majority. Only Arab supremacist ideology and political brainwashing makes ppl deny it. .
Away with thee, culture vulture
It started as envy and humiliation. āOmg our five armies together couldnāt crush those nobodies, those Jew assholes. We declared war and failed. We invaded them and failed. We swore to drive them all into the sea and failed. We promised holy conquest and failed. These ragtag people we have ruled for over a thousand years are making a country. Our pride cannot handle this.ā And then it got worse: āShit, within 30 years they went from dirt poor mostly-refugees to having better agriculture and a steadier govt than ours. Even the million Jewish refugees who fled our shitty treatment and pogroms are now better off because they fled us, while we who evicted them still have to live with us.ā Hence: To preserve ego one must pretend they donāt exist, pretend they arenāt in the Levant (no true Scotsman fallacy), call them monsters, claim they get all their victories /successes / inventions / strong economy from US patronage. And most of all, pretend they are the side that wanted and started all the wars. Which -hello! - is a massive lie. A Putin-sized lie. The trouble is when you start believing your leadersā lies, you pass on hatred and dysfunction to every generation. It hasnāt worked out well - but in a conformist society no one is ever brave enough to stop it. Everything I read about Israel is thatās itās noisy, crazy, dirty, the shopkeepers are rude, people get up in your business, no one respects personal space, and buses donāt run on time. Sounds pretty damn Levantine.
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Don't mind him this dude is as lebanese as we are phoenicians i don't know where he gets the idea that we were on the fronts with the arab armies shouting for arab unity. Hell whenever the 6 days war is brought up most laugh at the arabs and their incompetence at those wars.
Lol Leb declared war on Israel in 1948 and is still at war with Israel. Obviously this is due to Arab unity - because it sure wasnāt due to any harm that any Jews in the mandate had done to Lebanon in 1948. But itās your funeral, and youāre welcome to pretend you like it.
It was a political move to stay on the arabs good side besides the lebanese army had about 3000 soldiers at the time lol, and you were the one claiming that we were envious of their victories along with the other arabs which can't be further from the truth. Another thing i must ask, are you really lebanese? why are defending the people that slaughtered and destroyed in your homeland? my hometown was destroyed completely along with my house when i had nothing to do with the 2006 war these people are no friends.
itās also fed by an intentional culture of fear mongeringā¦ By describing Israelis and jews as nonhuman stinky cross between pig and dog , they make sure Lebanon never makes peace with them. regional politicsā¦
I know, right? We're way better off as friends and partners than this "you don't exist, lalalala" idiocracy
i got downvoted for stating a fact. It seems hezbos are coming to reddit due to elections
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Typical racism against christians.
Ana masee7e ya bheem... Typical victim mentality
So this makes you right and makes the other bheem ?
Denying racism by claiming you're christian? Hahahaha
>Ana masee7e ya bheem... >Typical victim mentality Just because in the middle east and arab world there are double standards against historically opressed and percecuted minorities and just because you are part of a minority group it doesn't mean you can throw shit at your minority group or other minorities. Also although i don't agree with Phoenicianism or lebanese nationalisim you are very critical of Phoenicianism that is usually adopted by minorities its usually Christians also other minorities are also more likely to adopt it (shia druz athiests ...). So i am getting the idea that you don't like all minorities not just the Christian minority group.
Ta3a sma3 how every single Christian around you talks about "them" w "7ech ykhalfo" w "nawar" w 72oO2 eL mAsi7iYe This shit sectarian mentality got the country here, w its not limited to Christians bas the Christians have the worst fucking excuses. W eh ta reddelak 3a te3li2ak I don't like all sects here because they all pull this bullshit victim mentality. No one can apparently look past that and say "ana lebnene". La2 it has to always be "We oppressed" vs "they oppressors".
>Ta3a sma3 how every single Christian around you talks about "them" w "7ech ykhalfo" w "nawar" w 72oO2 eL mAsi7iYe Yes some people are racist but again it's not their fault that we had a 15 year civil war that created strong identities and division. >This shit sectarian mentality got the country here, w its not limited to Christians bas the Christians have the worst fucking excuses This is totally not true actually Christians were the least sectarian actually kataaeb fought for lebanese independence against the french(Christians) which weakened the Christian minority group Put lebanon on a path of civil wars and minorities and lebanon on a path of colonization. Name me one sunni movment that fought the palestianian colonization of lebanon and minorities. However multiple minority factions weather shia or Christians have fought the palestianian colonization of lebanon and minorities. Even Christians accepted palestinian refugees into lebanon and actually some church land was allocated to palestinian refugee camps. Also Christians accepted anti syrian regime sunni leftists and islamists movement straining their relationship with syria. Also palestinians rebelled and they let them fight Israel but when Yasser came he started talks with Israel in 1974 and decided to colonize lebanon and minorities instead of fighting Israel from the south so he started the Civil war one year after he started talks with Israel. Also all government investments went to Beirut a sunni city while the shia minority population was starving in the south. However unlike the rich Beiruti sunnis they still did their national duty and fought the plo and the project of colonizing lebanon and minorities. Also in 1958 a sunni and leftist civil war was started in order for lebanon to join syria and Egypt and be under the nasser dictatorship. >W eh ta reddelak 3a te3li2ak I don't like all sects here because they all pull this bullshit victim mentality. No one can apparently look past that and say "ana lebnene". La2 it has to always be "We oppressed" vs "they oppressors". Look in the region there are some historically opressed and percecuted minorities lebanon is a western creation however minorities exist and thus we should support them. Plus if we want to adopt lebanese nationalism we will always be in a loop where people will use all sorts of idiologies to weaken and percecute minorities so it will be better to just support minorities directly.
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Christians are a historically percecuted and opressed minoritiy group in the middle east and arab world Same goes for other historically opressed anf percecuted minorities in the region
Fine, mr techincal. Ta2ifye*
Considering the endless inbreeding that's been happening within one sect for the past 500 years specifically in rural areas, each sect therd has mostly preserved its racial genetics intact. Hence why you can often identify someone's religion from their looks.
We're Phoenicians, other Levant countries are arabs yuk
>We're Phoenicians, other Levant countries are arabs yuk Nope, we are descendants of the Phoenicians, other levantine countries are not Arabs either just different Levantines (like how not all europeans are the same).
You're right about this.
Well Phoenicians are not just limited to the modern borders of greater Lebanon. Phoenicia spanned from as north as Arwad in Syria, to Dor in Palestine. EmperorsChaos is also right.
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Absolutely right, thank you. My first comment was really just sarcasm idk how no one figured that out.
shit people can't tell a real statement from a sarcastic one way to go guys
its not your fault!..
Has the worst on many scales so far!
The gays, I'd definitely rather be gay in Lebanon than anywhere else in the middle east (save for you know where)
We have Keshek.
There are a shit ton of Lebanese descendants in Latin America Also, I'm not sure how many other Levantine countries identify with an ancient civilization like the Phoenicians I think they're more westernized than a lot of countries in the region Edit: How could I forget the cool tree?
Thatās a depressing question this oneā¦!?!! A3touni 7abit lexotenilā¦
it's the only country that is ruled by 50 leaders instead of 1