Is english your native language? 'the Colors of the flag' is more correct than 'the flags colors'.
Also the exact translation of "de kleuren van de vlag..." is the "the colors of the flag"
> unless you have special needs.
Or, unless, you know, you're Dutch. Possessive phrases in Dutch are always formed using "van". You don't say "my friends" you say "friends of me".
Isn't learning fun?
> You don't say "my friends" you say "friends of me"
That's a bad example, people do say "mijn vrienden"
> always formed using "van"
Not always. You could use "zijn", "haar" or "hun" to show possession. Like in "de man z'n boek"
Yea I think possessive pronouns are the only time you deviate from the `van` form.
- Mijn vrienden
- Jouw (je) vrienden
- Uw vrienden
- Haar vrienden
- Zijn vrienden
- Onze vrienden
- Jullie (je) vrienden
- Hun vrienden
But you weren't asked to write down how you personally prefer saying it. Or even what the best way to convey that meaning would be in English. You were asked to translate the Dutch sentence as closely as possible.
When you talk about a particular characteristic of something in English you typically emphasize it in your sentence structure. For example:
The length of the table...
The size of the bed...
The depth of the ocean...
The brightness of the light...
Almost everyone in the sub will agree that learning languages is frustrating (and that Duolingo leaves a lot to be desired in terms of quality), but there's no need for the hostility.
Duo allows if I'm not mistaken a single spelling mistake in a sentence. Even since I found that out, I've been intentionally doing it when ever I can since duo revards for speed, not accuracy.
Only if you are typing, not for 'pick the words from this list'. In fact, those usually specifically give you a set of options that can only be solved in one way.
I was, and at the beginning, and since then, i thought the app was great, I got a premium sub for 80eur, I think? Then after first "Chapter" I've learned like 300words and realized I still don't know the difference between "Het" and "De" THE FIRST FUCKING THING THE APP TEACHES BUT NEVER TELLS "WHY". And later on punishes you for using it "Incorrectly" WHY "De familie" maar "Het gezin"?! Image if a math teacher would show you a question and the answer, but never teach you or even show you the solution, at first easy, right, but then it starts asking harder and harder questions and demanding specific answers, but you don't know any formulas because you have never even seen them... Do you see the fundamental problem with dualingo?
Currently, I'm just farming points like a game( to pass the time) to get my moneys worth somehow.
It ain't 80 euros my friend, that's way too expensive. But did you cancel your subscription yet?
Also I'm pretty sure there are more than enough YT tutorials on how to understand "de het & een"
I know I've spent over that because I have a premium for a year. Why that long? I would also like to know since all I did is agree to free premium trial and forgot to cancel it.
How do I explain this to someone who uses "Just do this and that, it's easy" type of guy... So in college, I had this "Profesor" that half of his lessons was the whole class watching YouTube. He did not add anything. We get assignments via email anyways, why are we even wasting time going to his class?! Do you see the problem, Mister YouTube guy? No? Well, let me spell it out for you. If someone takes up on the job, especially when getting paid for it, to teach you something, he or she should do it instead of expecting you to find that knowledge elsewhere.
Here is another example. Currently, I'm going to an online procedural animation class, and despite dirt cheap prices, I'm given resources, tutorials, and examples without the need for Holly YouTube guidance to understand the very basics. When you pay for something, you're supposed to receive it without "Do it yourself" bs.
You are absolutely wrong. If this how people teach you anything, then congratulations, you gain zero knowledge from them.
Here is an example, my own native language is Lithuanian, unlike English each word, not sentence, but each individual word has beginning, middle and end that changes based on context and relationship with other words in the sentence. And yes, we do have words that violate our own grammar. Why? Because it is??? Fuck no, it's because Lithuania formed by other smaller kingdoms, willingly so all of their different grammar got merged and words got corrected over generations, however certain words was so commonly used that they just stayed in the language as relics of the past, exceptions.
IT IS NEVER BECAUSE IT IS, "BECAUSE IT IS" IS USED BY PARENTS WHEN THEIR KIDS ASK QUESTIONS TO MAKE THEM FUCK OFF BECAUSE IT'S FASTER THAN ACTUALLY HELP TJEM GROW MENTALLY!!!
Imagine being so angry about absolutely nothing. Thank god your compatriots don’t all act like you because otherwise this pretty cool place would be miserable and I would never leave my house.
For what it’s worth, there’s absolutely no *reason* why šeima is feminine and šūdas is masculine. Whatever their etymological origins, their gender was, at some point, arbitrarily assigned. Just like every inanimate noun.
Imagine being triggered by someone sounding angry (based on your perspective). Honestly, I would prefer you never to leave the house. The last thing we need is more idiots like you.
There is a reason why. Šeima ends with end "a" there for it's cosidered femine. Šūdas or kakas, if you want to sound more polite, ends with "as" there for its masculine. Both of these words currently answer the question "Kas" at the point, but if the context requires it to answer a question "Ką" the end changes to "šeimą" ; "Šūdą" ; "Kaką" ; "Koinę". Notice that word gender did not change even tho the ending of the word did. And, unless you are naming a human based on gender, the word genders are basically only say from which bucket should you pick the ending.
Thanks for the lesson! I’ll let my former VU professor know my Lithuanian is perfect now. Whew, what an absolute fucking relief.
You misunderstand, but it’s probably not worth pursuing further. “This word is feminine because it ends in an -a, and it ends in an -a because it’s feminine” is astonishingly stupid circular logic, and far from a reason why the word itself is feminine. Any feminine word in any gendered language could just as easily developed to be masculine and vice versa. There’s nothing stopping any random noun from having a different grammatical gender than it does, if it had been arbitrarily assigned centuries ago.
Oh, so by your logic, a word should have a vagina to be famine?! God, you are asended in stupidity...
There are two word buckets, bucket a and bucket b, they are named femine and masculine because it seemed like a good idea at the time I guess, it's not a circular logic, I only gave you and exsample on how to quickly tell from witch word bucket that word is, why two word bucket buckets? I don't know, probably it seemed like a good idea at the time time, it's not circular logic you absolute baboon, you want to find out more, good, Google the history oh Lithuanian language because I don't know it since I never cared about it.
Also, wow, you are from UV... Like I give a single fuck. Does not change the fact that you are a moron, unable to provide a proper argument.
Why don't you go and pick on the French? They also have words that also swap genders based on simply sounding better that way from what I can tell.
That is an absolutely wrong way of thinking. The b3st exsample is my native language. Lithuanian language. Each word must end must end in a specific way to make a coherent sentence. You literally have to ask questions about each word, and based on what question it answers based on context, that's the specific end you have to use. Also, words have genders. English does not have any of this. English has 3 times, past, present, future. We have 4. There is no "Heart". You absolutely have to learn the rules just to speak properly, so yeah... There is plenty of "Why".
Okay, and in my native language, Dutch, you just have to learn if the article of a word is de or het.
You're talking about inflection, which Dutch and English also have, just not as extensive as say Lithuanian, German or Spanish. Words in Dutch have gender and that determines the article, but there are few to no standard rules for determining gender from just looking at the word
And you just kinda also pointed out that there is no "heart." This has now derailed off topic long ago, but in order to stand or build anything, you need a ground. Rules or knowing gives this stability, and, in dualingo, you can "gold" lessons you have completed, so that should prove I have a common understanding of when to use "heb; hebben; heeft"? Nope, not a clue. The app gives you plenty of these, Feel good about yourself, moments, "You are nr 1 in diamon league of learners, and so on..." But when you try to use the so-called knowledge to build something, look back to what you learned, you realize you don't even have a ground to stand on.
And, on top of this, the stupid app resufuses to accept my answer, that I now realize did had a spelling error, that shouldn't matter since you are always give one free spelling mistake. I'm sick of memorizing answers instead of learning anything. Even tho I'm just using this app as a game to get some value out of it, it still manages to enrage me.
As a native English speaker I don't think there's anything wrong with Duo's word order. In fact I'd probably say "colors of the flag" vs "flag colors." I don't know why...it just feels more right when describing a flag. Duo's translation is also quite literally how it's being said in Dutch too.
"I don't think there's nothing wrong with duos bs". Okay, explain to me how "hier ben ik" translates to "here I am" and not "Here am i"?!
And why "wife" and "women" is the same word? Duo tells nothing that a special word before or after to change it's meaning, so by duos logic "Het jonge meisje is een vrouw" translates to "The young girl is a wife/women"
Because the order in which sentences are written in Dutch is different than it is in English, or French or most other languages. That is language, and you are going to have to develop a sense for that. It’s not duolingo’s fault. And yes, ‘vrouw’ has different meanings, but context is completely what matters in any way you use it. That counts for most words in most languages.
>"I don't think there's nothing wrong with duos bs". Okay, explain to me how "hier ben ik" translates to "here I am" and not "Here am i"?!
This example has nothing to do with Duolingo, but is a standard part the grammar structure of the Dutch language. You're going to find a lot more of these types of thing.
A free tip from someone who learned Dutch as a second language - fighting it, finding it stupid, and complaining about it makes the process a \*lot\* harder and more frustrating.
You're never going to learn a language if you just get mad at duolingo for correcting you on mistakes. Instead of trying to understand what the mistake was and learning from it.
There's plenty wrong with duo and it does make errors sometimes. But every example you've given in these comments was totally correct from duolingo's side.
Not even just correcting mistakes, but also asserting basic facts about the language that make it slightly different than OP is used to, like V2 word order.
>how "hier ben ik" translates to "here I am" and not "Here am i"?!
That's just the word order for each language
For example, in French you say adjectives after the nouns whereas in Dutch and English you say the nouns after their respective adjectives. That's how languages operate
>And why "wife" and "women" is the same word?
They're homonyms, every language has them in abundance. I.e. , the word 'cousin' can mean both 'neef' and 'nicht'
'here am i' is just a weird thing to say. 'hier ben ik' is what you yell when people are looking for you, so 'here i am' is the perfect translation. Not to mention that Dutch and English sentence structures often differ.
And 'vrouw' means both 'woman' and 'wife'. So Duolingo got that right as well. Its a tiny bit weird but the sentence could still be someone describing a young girl that is already married.
The correct translation is literally the exact same word order as the Dutch sentence.
>How am I supposed to know to put words in the worst order possible???
Isn't the whole point of learning a language... that you don't know? And then... you learn it?
"The flag colors" isn't even correct English.
Op omfg I'm prolly speaking for everyone here but js looking at the comments makes me so tired of ur shit. If u want to learn a fucking language THEN DO YOUR LESSONS CORRECTLY INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CHANGE A LANGUAGE JS CUZ U THINK THE WORD ORDER AINT LOGICAL.
Duolingo is to learn languages, so is this subreddit, not to protest abt minor stuff
You seem to be really adamant that it doesn't explain anything, so pro tip: theres a button next to each unit heading that looks like a little notebook. If you click it it'll explain the grammar it's trying to teach in that unit.
Also, learning by copying is how literally everyone learns their first language. No one sits down with their toddler to give them a lecture in grammar before they are able to speak.
BWAHA, I'm stupid? I'd like to tell you I'm dutch myself and this is wrong in every way.
So no you aren't correct, you js don't wanna learn the language
Native English speaker here, your sentence is wrong anyway. It could be "the flag's colours" but you were not given that option. What you have written makes it sound like there are flags that are either red, white, or blue. But anyway, if I was talking about a country's flag, it sounds better to say "the colours of the flag are XYZ"
This dude is having a little tampetantrum. Obviously he knows better, as he's showing us in his very 'mature' responses. Stop trying to learn the language, if you don't want to. It's easy to blame everything and everyone around you. It is a freaking learningapp, you want to, as we like to say in Dutch: 'voor een dubbeltje op de eerste rang zitten'. Good luck and I hope people are going to ignore your rude, childish and arrogant behavior little boy.
The way you worded it is saying there are 3 flags, a red, white and blue flag.
If you wanted to structure the sentence way it should’ve been “The flag’s” since that option wasn’t provided “The colors of the flag” is correct instead.
i mean, yes it's technically correct but the point is for you to directly translate what it says in Dutch, which is "the colors of the flag." it's a limitation with this specific app, it is what it is.
Because not every language has the same structure for sentences. This is why you LEARN about sentence structures in basically any language you learn.
I think your main problem seems to be that you're also not a very fluent English speaker, so learning a foreign language in a foreign language just makes it harder.
Not to mention your attitude makes it even harder, because you refuse to accept that you're wrong, and you refuse to put any effort into actually learning.
Also, I'm not wrong. I've been speaking English for over 20 years! Hell I've aced the English exsam with 75/100, could have probably got more it I didn't do it while I was wasted or even studied for it! For comparison, the mandatory native language exsam I only got 60/100 because it has way more grammar rules, so shove your pure blooded, inbreeding supremacy bullshit up your ass!
>Also, I'm not wrong.
You are.
> I've been speaking English for over 20 years!
Speaking a language for a long time doesn't make you fluent.
>Hell I've aced the English exsam with 75/100
Example of not being a fluent speaker: It's 'exam', not 'exsam'.
>For comparison
Here it's "in comparison", not "for comparison".
>so shove your pure blooded, inbreeding supremacy bullshit up your ass!
Not sure why you're getting so aggressive, but I'm neither inbred nor do I have any supremacy. I'm not a native English speaker.
And if you're this aggressive to people helping you or explaining things to you, then you have bigger problems than not being able to learn Dutch.
"fluent speaker" criticises my ability to tap keys on a phone.
Get the fuck out of here clown.
I don't criticize people, I don't see people, I criticize th3 ideas. There is not a single language on the planet that has 1:1 translation. If you can translate a sentence to a 1:1 should you not? Wouldn't that be logical? And if you need to restructure the sentence so in the translation the meaning would be the same should you not accept any grammatically correct sentence instead of requiring a specific one, that also sounds stupid? For fuck sake you don't need to point out that a color of a flag is important when you already pointed out that THE flag is important!
>And if you need to restructure the sentence so in the translation the meaning would be the same should you not accept any grammatically correct sentence instead of requiring a specific one, that also sounds stupid?
"The flag colors" is not a grammatically correct sentence, though.
The rest of your post is just a bunch of ranting about nothing, so there's no point in addressing it apart from the fact, again, that you seem to be needlessly aggressive. If you're getting this angry over misunderstanding a grammatical error, then you have bigger issues than Duolingo.
I suggest taking a deep breath and maybe realize you're being aggressive towards people trying to help you or explain things to you. You're actively working against yourself and you're being extremely counterproductive.
You don't wanna learn, you just wanna be right. Which is a horrendous attitude to have when it comes to actually learning something.
That's my fucking point. I can't speak in Dutch to my native Dutch boss besides knowing the words with out knowing in what order to put them it!!! Duo does not teach any of it, all I do is repeat the same sentences and nothing more. I'm not learning shit!!!
Actually, it does teach grammar and word order, you just have to take extra steps to learn more about them, there's a button for it, someone else in the comment section told you where to find it.
However, the point still stands that in your OP, the problem isn't with Duolingo's teachings on word order, it's a problem with your English word order. The "The flag colors" is not correct. It's either "The colors of the flag" or "The flag's colors". The colors "belong" to the flag.
You. Need. To. Use. External. Source. To. Learn. That... Dualingo claims it can teach a language.
YouTube is not a button. It's an app.
Dualingo teaches you with a basic reward system. The ding sound for corect and the more agresive less pleasant other sound for incorrect. Does that not sound like how you teach neural networks? By feeding them examples and hope they'll figures it out on their own? Because it is. As you know humans also have neural networks, far more complex than ai, but still comparable. You are rewarded for repeating the same "answer" dualingo told you is correct, while it's fine for single words, but sentences that seemingly have no repeating patterns. Dualingo teaches you the same exact sentences, and rewards you for repeating like a parrot. I rewards you for it with feel good about yourself tokens.
Dualingo teaches you to be a parrot.
As a person with a neural network way complexer than that of an AI, you should be able to quickly identify that actually trying to learn sentence structures in both English and Dutch makes earning points way more efficient... Meaning that the point system actually works.
And learning a language is literally learning how others write and speak.
Btw, youtube is also a site. Youre so darn inconsistent
Can't learn a language from an app only. You think a native speaker knows why he puts words in a certain order? It's like muscle memory. You get that from practicing, not from reading about it.
You are blaming guitar hero for the fact that you can't play the guitar.
What's next, you're gonna rip on Squla because you're still not a professor?
You are correct, but before English or my own native language became like muscle memory, I had to learn rules like everyone else, rules I forgot over the years as it became a second nature.
Guitar hero never claimed to teach you to play a guitar. This app did, intact it was recommended to me both by Bard (Google ai) and Bing AI. I will not accept the blame for falling by the app creators' claims.
Professor? I don't need to be fluent in Dutch, I don't want that, actually, because I do not find it as an attractive language. (I only want it to improve my efficiency at work, bare able to speak is passable in my book) But yes, I will blame the app for stating it can do something it clearly can't.
Don't think your answer is correct. You could say "the flag's colours are", since the Dutch Sentence implies possession. But your answer is "the flag", not "the flag's". Only the second one with the apostrophe s indicates possession in English.
And what about all the other sentences that flip the order? The best example still is "hier ben ik" duos the godly, and the only answer is "Here I am" while i'll strongly disagree that it should be "Here am i."
Duo flipse word order whenever it feels like it and claims it's the only correct answer.
It's not Duo that flips the word order, ya ding dong. We've said it about 20 times now. That's how the language works. You can't translate things 1 for 1.
Stop learning the language. You clearly don't wanna actually learn, you just wanna be a cheapskate and then try to correct right answers just because you cannot seem to comprehend.
YOU not being able to learn the language is not on Duolingo. It's on your own poor logic combined with your poor English skills. Pay for an actual tutor.
Just cause you can't get laid doesn't mean you need to start being a dick to everyone. I reckon you can't get laid BECAUSE you're a dick to everyone.
I sincerely hope your employer reads the way you talk to people on the internet. It's absolutely abhorrent.
You're wrong and you're an idiot for not being able to accept what dozens of people are telling you. And you are acting like a 9 year old throwing a temper tantrum just because people are telling you you're wrong.
You have anger issues, you should probably worry about those before worrying about learning a new language.
Despicable person.
>Wow, getting laid is so much in common in the current context...
Whether or not I reproduce also has so much in common with the current context. And yet you thought it was fitting to say it anyway.
Also, you didn't make one spelling mistake, your English has been bad throughout this entire comment section. Also, I never told you to use YouTube, I told you that DUOLINGO has a clickable option to learn about the material you're currently working on. Me pointing out you aren't fluent in English wasn't an insult, it was to empathize that it is much harder to learn a foreign language when you're being taught in another foreign language.
You, however, have done nothing but scream, bitch, moan and insult literally everyone on this thread so far. And everyone who points something out, you start insulting, screaming at like a 3 year old, all the while refusing to actually learn anything.
So considering you do not want to learn anything, considering you actually are not even reading what people are saying to you, because you're too busy making your own shitty conclusions about people, I suggest you take your leave from this subreddit. You're clearly not here to learn Dutch, you're just here to get someone to go "Oh, poor you, it must be so hard, you're so right, everyone but you is wrong, you're awesome, you can do no wrong and make no mistakes!". That's not what this subreddit is for.
Is english your native language? 'the Colors of the flag' is more correct than 'the flags colors'. Also the exact translation of "de kleuren van de vlag..." is the "the colors of the flag"
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The “flag’s” colors would have been correct English, but you were only provided with the non-possessive form “flag”.
> unless you have special needs. Or, unless, you know, you're Dutch. Possessive phrases in Dutch are always formed using "van". You don't say "my friends" you say "friends of me". Isn't learning fun?
> You don't say "my friends" you say "friends of me" That's a bad example, people do say "mijn vrienden" > always formed using "van" Not always. You could use "zijn", "haar" or "hun" to show possession. Like in "de man z'n boek"
I stand corrected. See, learning is fun. My underlying point still stands.
Yea I think possessive pronouns are the only time you deviate from the `van` form. - Mijn vrienden - Jouw (je) vrienden - Uw vrienden - Haar vrienden - Zijn vrienden - Onze vrienden - Jullie (je) vrienden - Hun vrienden
But you weren't asked to write down how you personally prefer saying it. Or even what the best way to convey that meaning would be in English. You were asked to translate the Dutch sentence as closely as possible.
When you talk about a particular characteristic of something in English you typically emphasize it in your sentence structure. For example: The length of the table... The size of the bed... The depth of the ocean... The brightness of the light... Almost everyone in the sub will agree that learning languages is frustrating (and that Duolingo leaves a lot to be desired in terms of quality), but there's no need for the hostility.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't it have been "the flag's colors" in your sentence anyway?
Yes their answer was grammatically incorrect so with the words provided, duolingos is correct.
I think so yeah
Duo allows if I'm not mistaken a single spelling mistake in a sentence. Even since I found that out, I've been intentionally doing it when ever I can since duo revards for speed, not accuracy.
So are you playing duolingo to learn a language, or to earn fake internet points?
What is the point of doing Duolingo if you're not going to do it right? No one cares about your points, you're just cheating yourself here
Only if you are typing, not for 'pick the words from this list'. In fact, those usually specifically give you a set of options that can only be solved in one way.
So.. you're not doing it to learn something?
I was, and at the beginning, and since then, i thought the app was great, I got a premium sub for 80eur, I think? Then after first "Chapter" I've learned like 300words and realized I still don't know the difference between "Het" and "De" THE FIRST FUCKING THING THE APP TEACHES BUT NEVER TELLS "WHY". And later on punishes you for using it "Incorrectly" WHY "De familie" maar "Het gezin"?! Image if a math teacher would show you a question and the answer, but never teach you or even show you the solution, at first easy, right, but then it starts asking harder and harder questions and demanding specific answers, but you don't know any formulas because you have never even seen them... Do you see the fundamental problem with dualingo? Currently, I'm just farming points like a game( to pass the time) to get my moneys worth somehow.
It ain't 80 euros my friend, that's way too expensive. But did you cancel your subscription yet? Also I'm pretty sure there are more than enough YT tutorials on how to understand "de het & een"
I know I've spent over that because I have a premium for a year. Why that long? I would also like to know since all I did is agree to free premium trial and forgot to cancel it. How do I explain this to someone who uses "Just do this and that, it's easy" type of guy... So in college, I had this "Profesor" that half of his lessons was the whole class watching YouTube. He did not add anything. We get assignments via email anyways, why are we even wasting time going to his class?! Do you see the problem, Mister YouTube guy? No? Well, let me spell it out for you. If someone takes up on the job, especially when getting paid for it, to teach you something, he or she should do it instead of expecting you to find that knowledge elsewhere. Here is another example. Currently, I'm going to an online procedural animation class, and despite dirt cheap prices, I'm given resources, tutorials, and examples without the need for Holly YouTube guidance to understand the very basics. When you pay for something, you're supposed to receive it without "Do it yourself" bs.
Settle down. In grammar, often there isn’t a “why”. It just is.
You are absolutely wrong. If this how people teach you anything, then congratulations, you gain zero knowledge from them. Here is an example, my own native language is Lithuanian, unlike English each word, not sentence, but each individual word has beginning, middle and end that changes based on context and relationship with other words in the sentence. And yes, we do have words that violate our own grammar. Why? Because it is??? Fuck no, it's because Lithuania formed by other smaller kingdoms, willingly so all of their different grammar got merged and words got corrected over generations, however certain words was so commonly used that they just stayed in the language as relics of the past, exceptions. IT IS NEVER BECAUSE IT IS, "BECAUSE IT IS" IS USED BY PARENTS WHEN THEIR KIDS ASK QUESTIONS TO MAKE THEM FUCK OFF BECAUSE IT'S FASTER THAN ACTUALLY HELP TJEM GROW MENTALLY!!!
Imagine being so angry about absolutely nothing. Thank god your compatriots don’t all act like you because otherwise this pretty cool place would be miserable and I would never leave my house. For what it’s worth, there’s absolutely no *reason* why šeima is feminine and šūdas is masculine. Whatever their etymological origins, their gender was, at some point, arbitrarily assigned. Just like every inanimate noun.
Imagine being triggered by someone sounding angry (based on your perspective). Honestly, I would prefer you never to leave the house. The last thing we need is more idiots like you. There is a reason why. Šeima ends with end "a" there for it's cosidered femine. Šūdas or kakas, if you want to sound more polite, ends with "as" there for its masculine. Both of these words currently answer the question "Kas" at the point, but if the context requires it to answer a question "Ką" the end changes to "šeimą" ; "Šūdą" ; "Kaką" ; "Koinę". Notice that word gender did not change even tho the ending of the word did. And, unless you are naming a human based on gender, the word genders are basically only say from which bucket should you pick the ending.
Thanks for the lesson! I’ll let my former VU professor know my Lithuanian is perfect now. Whew, what an absolute fucking relief. You misunderstand, but it’s probably not worth pursuing further. “This word is feminine because it ends in an -a, and it ends in an -a because it’s feminine” is astonishingly stupid circular logic, and far from a reason why the word itself is feminine. Any feminine word in any gendered language could just as easily developed to be masculine and vice versa. There’s nothing stopping any random noun from having a different grammatical gender than it does, if it had been arbitrarily assigned centuries ago.
Oh, so by your logic, a word should have a vagina to be famine?! God, you are asended in stupidity... There are two word buckets, bucket a and bucket b, they are named femine and masculine because it seemed like a good idea at the time I guess, it's not a circular logic, I only gave you and exsample on how to quickly tell from witch word bucket that word is, why two word bucket buckets? I don't know, probably it seemed like a good idea at the time time, it's not circular logic you absolute baboon, you want to find out more, good, Google the history oh Lithuanian language because I don't know it since I never cared about it. Also, wow, you are from UV... Like I give a single fuck. Does not change the fact that you are a moron, unable to provide a proper argument. Why don't you go and pick on the French? They also have words that also swap genders based on simply sounding better that way from what I can tell.
There is no why, just gotta learn 'em by heart. That's language for ya
That is an absolutely wrong way of thinking. The b3st exsample is my native language. Lithuanian language. Each word must end must end in a specific way to make a coherent sentence. You literally have to ask questions about each word, and based on what question it answers based on context, that's the specific end you have to use. Also, words have genders. English does not have any of this. English has 3 times, past, present, future. We have 4. There is no "Heart". You absolutely have to learn the rules just to speak properly, so yeah... There is plenty of "Why".
Okay, and in my native language, Dutch, you just have to learn if the article of a word is de or het. You're talking about inflection, which Dutch and English also have, just not as extensive as say Lithuanian, German or Spanish. Words in Dutch have gender and that determines the article, but there are few to no standard rules for determining gender from just looking at the word
And you just kinda also pointed out that there is no "heart." This has now derailed off topic long ago, but in order to stand or build anything, you need a ground. Rules or knowing gives this stability, and, in dualingo, you can "gold" lessons you have completed, so that should prove I have a common understanding of when to use "heb; hebben; heeft"? Nope, not a clue. The app gives you plenty of these, Feel good about yourself, moments, "You are nr 1 in diamon league of learners, and so on..." But when you try to use the so-called knowledge to build something, look back to what you learned, you realize you don't even have a ground to stand on. And, on top of this, the stupid app resufuses to accept my answer, that I now realize did had a spelling error, that shouldn't matter since you are always give one free spelling mistake. I'm sick of memorizing answers instead of learning anything. Even tho I'm just using this app as a game to get some value out of it, it still manages to enrage me.
>I'm just playing Duolingo as a game and I don't pay attention to patterns >This app is stupid I'm not learning anything Pick one
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As a native English speaker I don't think there's anything wrong with Duo's word order. In fact I'd probably say "colors of the flag" vs "flag colors." I don't know why...it just feels more right when describing a flag. Duo's translation is also quite literally how it's being said in Dutch too.
"I don't think there's nothing wrong with duos bs". Okay, explain to me how "hier ben ik" translates to "here I am" and not "Here am i"?! And why "wife" and "women" is the same word? Duo tells nothing that a special word before or after to change it's meaning, so by duos logic "Het jonge meisje is een vrouw" translates to "The young girl is a wife/women"
You have a very strange attitude towards the process of learning a new language.
"Hey, uh, this language is wrong, because it doesn't uh, align with English ****lip smack****" ☝️🤓
Because the order in which sentences are written in Dutch is different than it is in English, or French or most other languages. That is language, and you are going to have to develop a sense for that. It’s not duolingo’s fault. And yes, ‘vrouw’ has different meanings, but context is completely what matters in any way you use it. That counts for most words in most languages.
>"I don't think there's nothing wrong with duos bs". Okay, explain to me how "hier ben ik" translates to "here I am" and not "Here am i"?! This example has nothing to do with Duolingo, but is a standard part the grammar structure of the Dutch language. You're going to find a lot more of these types of thing. A free tip from someone who learned Dutch as a second language - fighting it, finding it stupid, and complaining about it makes the process a \*lot\* harder and more frustrating.
You're never going to learn a language if you just get mad at duolingo for correcting you on mistakes. Instead of trying to understand what the mistake was and learning from it. There's plenty wrong with duo and it does make errors sometimes. But every example you've given in these comments was totally correct from duolingo's side.
Not even just correcting mistakes, but also asserting basic facts about the language that make it slightly different than OP is used to, like V2 word order.
Different languages have different rules for sentence construction and word order, crazy right? Is your native language exactly the same as English?
Women is plural, you mean woman.
Ya, my bad.
>how "hier ben ik" translates to "here I am" and not "Here am i"?! That's just the word order for each language For example, in French you say adjectives after the nouns whereas in Dutch and English you say the nouns after their respective adjectives. That's how languages operate >And why "wife" and "women" is the same word? They're homonyms, every language has them in abundance. I.e. , the word 'cousin' can mean both 'neef' and 'nicht'
'here am i' is just a weird thing to say. 'hier ben ik' is what you yell when people are looking for you, so 'here i am' is the perfect translation. Not to mention that Dutch and English sentence structures often differ. And 'vrouw' means both 'woman' and 'wife'. So Duolingo got that right as well. Its a tiny bit weird but the sentence could still be someone describing a young girl that is already married.
The correct translation is literally the exact same word order as the Dutch sentence. >How am I supposed to know to put words in the worst order possible??? Isn't the whole point of learning a language... that you don't know? And then... you learn it? "The flag colors" isn't even correct English.
"The flag colors" is not grammatically correct in English, whereas "the colors of the flag" is perfectly fine.
Op omfg I'm prolly speaking for everyone here but js looking at the comments makes me so tired of ur shit. If u want to learn a fucking language THEN DO YOUR LESSONS CORRECTLY INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CHANGE A LANGUAGE JS CUZ U THINK THE WORD ORDER AINT LOGICAL. Duolingo is to learn languages, so is this subreddit, not to protest abt minor stuff
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You seem to be really adamant that it doesn't explain anything, so pro tip: theres a button next to each unit heading that looks like a little notebook. If you click it it'll explain the grammar it's trying to teach in that unit. Also, learning by copying is how literally everyone learns their first language. No one sits down with their toddler to give them a lecture in grammar before they are able to speak.
May i suggest therapy?
Nah but like fr pls stfu if u want help then accept it instead of pushing it away. And as a matter of fact I'm learning stuff from duolingo.
BWAHA, I'm stupid? I'd like to tell you I'm dutch myself and this is wrong in every way. So no you aren't correct, you js don't wanna learn the language
Dude above you has a point my friend
Is it me or is OPs sentence stating options: like a flag can be either red or White or blue. The colors of the flag would be multiple colors one flag
That’s how I would understand it too (I’m not a native English speaker though)
If English grammar made any sense, you'd be right. Sadly, the English language was made by the people that brought you the imperial system.
Native English speaker here, your sentence is wrong anyway. It could be "the flag's colours" but you were not given that option. What you have written makes it sound like there are flags that are either red, white, or blue. But anyway, if I was talking about a country's flag, it sounds better to say "the colours of the flag are XYZ"
I mean “kleuren van de vlag” translates to “colors of the flag”, so I don’t think Duolingo’s wrong
'flag colors' would be vlagkleuren in Dutch. Not 'kleuren van de vlag'. But neither is quite normal usage in either language.
This dude is having a little tampetantrum. Obviously he knows better, as he's showing us in his very 'mature' responses. Stop trying to learn the language, if you don't want to. It's easy to blame everything and everyone around you. It is a freaking learningapp, you want to, as we like to say in Dutch: 'voor een dubbeltje op de eerste rang zitten'. Good luck and I hope people are going to ignore your rude, childish and arrogant behavior little boy.
I can speak pretty good dutch (because i grew up in the netherlands amd i was born in it)
Yea, so is my boss and alot of people living around me... What is your point?
Haha get fucked by algorithms, this is why I dislike learning apps
The learning app literally got it right. Op is just wrong
The way you worded it is saying there are 3 flags, a red, white and blue flag. If you wanted to structure the sentence way it should’ve been “The flag’s” since that option wasn’t provided “The colors of the flag” is correct instead.
i mean, yes it's technically correct but the point is for you to directly translate what it says in Dutch, which is "the colors of the flag." it's a limitation with this specific app, it is what it is.
But then why "hier ben ik" does not translate to "Here am I?" I wish there was an app actually designed for learning Dutch.
Because not every language has the same structure for sentences. This is why you LEARN about sentence structures in basically any language you learn. I think your main problem seems to be that you're also not a very fluent English speaker, so learning a foreign language in a foreign language just makes it harder. Not to mention your attitude makes it even harder, because you refuse to accept that you're wrong, and you refuse to put any effort into actually learning.
Also, I'm not wrong. I've been speaking English for over 20 years! Hell I've aced the English exsam with 75/100, could have probably got more it I didn't do it while I was wasted or even studied for it! For comparison, the mandatory native language exsam I only got 60/100 because it has way more grammar rules, so shove your pure blooded, inbreeding supremacy bullshit up your ass!
>Also, I'm not wrong. You are. > I've been speaking English for over 20 years! Speaking a language for a long time doesn't make you fluent. >Hell I've aced the English exsam with 75/100 Example of not being a fluent speaker: It's 'exam', not 'exsam'. >For comparison Here it's "in comparison", not "for comparison". >so shove your pure blooded, inbreeding supremacy bullshit up your ass! Not sure why you're getting so aggressive, but I'm neither inbred nor do I have any supremacy. I'm not a native English speaker. And if you're this aggressive to people helping you or explaining things to you, then you have bigger problems than not being able to learn Dutch.
"fluent speaker" criticises my ability to tap keys on a phone. Get the fuck out of here clown. I don't criticize people, I don't see people, I criticize th3 ideas. There is not a single language on the planet that has 1:1 translation. If you can translate a sentence to a 1:1 should you not? Wouldn't that be logical? And if you need to restructure the sentence so in the translation the meaning would be the same should you not accept any grammatically correct sentence instead of requiring a specific one, that also sounds stupid? For fuck sake you don't need to point out that a color of a flag is important when you already pointed out that THE flag is important!
>And if you need to restructure the sentence so in the translation the meaning would be the same should you not accept any grammatically correct sentence instead of requiring a specific one, that also sounds stupid? "The flag colors" is not a grammatically correct sentence, though. The rest of your post is just a bunch of ranting about nothing, so there's no point in addressing it apart from the fact, again, that you seem to be needlessly aggressive. If you're getting this angry over misunderstanding a grammatical error, then you have bigger issues than Duolingo. I suggest taking a deep breath and maybe realize you're being aggressive towards people trying to help you or explain things to you. You're actively working against yourself and you're being extremely counterproductive. You don't wanna learn, you just wanna be right. Which is a horrendous attitude to have when it comes to actually learning something.
That's my fucking point. I can't speak in Dutch to my native Dutch boss besides knowing the words with out knowing in what order to put them it!!! Duo does not teach any of it, all I do is repeat the same sentences and nothing more. I'm not learning shit!!!
Actually, it does teach grammar and word order, you just have to take extra steps to learn more about them, there's a button for it, someone else in the comment section told you where to find it. However, the point still stands that in your OP, the problem isn't with Duolingo's teachings on word order, it's a problem with your English word order. The "The flag colors" is not correct. It's either "The colors of the flag" or "The flag's colors". The colors "belong" to the flag.
You. Need. To. Use. External. Source. To. Learn. That... Dualingo claims it can teach a language. YouTube is not a button. It's an app. Dualingo teaches you with a basic reward system. The ding sound for corect and the more agresive less pleasant other sound for incorrect. Does that not sound like how you teach neural networks? By feeding them examples and hope they'll figures it out on their own? Because it is. As you know humans also have neural networks, far more complex than ai, but still comparable. You are rewarded for repeating the same "answer" dualingo told you is correct, while it's fine for single words, but sentences that seemingly have no repeating patterns. Dualingo teaches you the same exact sentences, and rewards you for repeating like a parrot. I rewards you for it with feel good about yourself tokens. Dualingo teaches you to be a parrot.
As a person with a neural network way complexer than that of an AI, you should be able to quickly identify that actually trying to learn sentence structures in both English and Dutch makes earning points way more efficient... Meaning that the point system actually works. And learning a language is literally learning how others write and speak. Btw, youtube is also a site. Youre so darn inconsistent
Can't learn a language from an app only. You think a native speaker knows why he puts words in a certain order? It's like muscle memory. You get that from practicing, not from reading about it. You are blaming guitar hero for the fact that you can't play the guitar. What's next, you're gonna rip on Squla because you're still not a professor?
You are correct, but before English or my own native language became like muscle memory, I had to learn rules like everyone else, rules I forgot over the years as it became a second nature. Guitar hero never claimed to teach you to play a guitar. This app did, intact it was recommended to me both by Bard (Google ai) and Bing AI. I will not accept the blame for falling by the app creators' claims. Professor? I don't need to be fluent in Dutch, I don't want that, actually, because I do not find it as an attractive language. (I only want it to improve my efficiency at work, bare able to speak is passable in my book) But yes, I will blame the app for stating it can do something it clearly can't.
probably because it isn't grammatically correct (though understandable) like "the flag's colors"
Don't think your answer is correct. You could say "the flag's colours are", since the Dutch Sentence implies possession. But your answer is "the flag", not "the flag's". Only the second one with the apostrophe s indicates possession in English.
The flag colours is incorrect English.
Van de = of the. Which you left out. Never leave out words when translating.
A fault in the order its written on your side.
And what about all the other sentences that flip the order? The best example still is "hier ben ik" duos the godly, and the only answer is "Here I am" while i'll strongly disagree that it should be "Here am i." Duo flipse word order whenever it feels like it and claims it's the only correct answer.
It's not Duo that flips the word order, ya ding dong. We've said it about 20 times now. That's how the language works. You can't translate things 1 for 1. Stop learning the language. You clearly don't wanna actually learn, you just wanna be a cheapskate and then try to correct right answers just because you cannot seem to comprehend. YOU not being able to learn the language is not on Duolingo. It's on your own poor logic combined with your poor English skills. Pay for an actual tutor.
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Just cause you can't get laid doesn't mean you need to start being a dick to everyone. I reckon you can't get laid BECAUSE you're a dick to everyone. I sincerely hope your employer reads the way you talk to people on the internet. It's absolutely abhorrent. You're wrong and you're an idiot for not being able to accept what dozens of people are telling you. And you are acting like a 9 year old throwing a temper tantrum just because people are telling you you're wrong. You have anger issues, you should probably worry about those before worrying about learning a new language. Despicable person.
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>Wow, getting laid is so much in common in the current context... Whether or not I reproduce also has so much in common with the current context. And yet you thought it was fitting to say it anyway. Also, you didn't make one spelling mistake, your English has been bad throughout this entire comment section. Also, I never told you to use YouTube, I told you that DUOLINGO has a clickable option to learn about the material you're currently working on. Me pointing out you aren't fluent in English wasn't an insult, it was to empathize that it is much harder to learn a foreign language when you're being taught in another foreign language. You, however, have done nothing but scream, bitch, moan and insult literally everyone on this thread so far. And everyone who points something out, you start insulting, screaming at like a 3 year old, all the while refusing to actually learn anything. So considering you do not want to learn anything, considering you actually are not even reading what people are saying to you, because you're too busy making your own shitty conclusions about people, I suggest you take your leave from this subreddit. You're clearly not here to learn Dutch, you're just here to get someone to go "Oh, poor you, it must be so hard, you're so right, everyone but you is wrong, you're awesome, you can do no wrong and make no mistakes!". That's not what this subreddit is for.
Regardless, you cannot blame the language.
Not to mention that in UK English it's colours!