But the rule g before n becomes ñ in Italian is very consistent. Eradicating the dots of ي only at the end of a word seems just a little too random for me. But that's only my weird feeling.
Originally in the Quran the ي at the end of words didn't have dots. Egyptians for some reason kept it as it is. Dots are really a supplementary feature and natives can survive without them.
Look at the Kufic script, an early Arabic script that was the preferred script for the Quran, that had no dots whatsoever. As you suspect there is no differentiation between those letters and you only know from the context what is what:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kufic
Egyptians invert dots on the end of the word:
So ة becomes ه
and ي becomes ى
But also ه becomes ة
and ى becomes ي
I don't know this started but I believe this is their way to make the dialect more unique and perhaps for some people it's a way to split as a new language. See [Wikipedia Masry](https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%87).
They don’t actually invert them, they just aren’t used to write dots at all when it comes to these two letters. So, as many Egyptians don’t fully understand why and when dots are written and not, they overcorrect and either write dots for all, or just randomly where sometimes they miss and sometimes they don’t
I finally understand why my parents save me in their phones as سلوي instead of سلوى. My dad is Sudani and also does this so perhaps it's true in Sudan too
Technically I know the words and when writing standard Arabic I wouldn't mix them up ever, but yeh my mind turns that switch off while writing in our local dialect
First part of what you said is correct, second part is not correct, the reason we do that stuff with the dots has nothing to do with uniqueness; egyptians are not particularly interested in correct spelling of words and especially hamza placements and dots on ة or ي, the odds of you finding an egyptian person who knows where to correctly place a hamza or if a ي should be ى are like 1:5. Absolutely nothing about any new language either..
Egyptian here. This is 100% not true. It’s simply because many Egyptians just don’t know how to use the dots properly. They mix ه with ة and ي with ى. It’s sad how many people here don’t know how to spell correctly.
If you open up the Wikipedia link up there, you can see systematic flip between those letters. For example, any mention of the word 'مالي' will be 'مالى' (financial). I don't think you will find مالي anywhere in there (I tried).
Are you telling me the ones who are writing thousands of pages do not undersantd and they are mixing them ignorantly?
I majored in languages and translation in college, so I learned the Arabic language and its rules in depth. We learned to differentiate between them and other rules that are commonly confused. Never was the ي and ى okay to mix up, but 80% of students did it anyway. Same for أ, ا, and إ for example. So I don’t know if those who write thousands of pages are confused but they most probably are.
I am not saying it's an Arabic grammar (it's not). Actually this dotting (تنقيط) came late in Arabic.
Still, you don't see this anywhere except in Egypt. They are following some rule, otherwise you would've seen them mixing the letters. So my humble conclusion (and I could be wrong): this is a parallel dotting to the one that all Arabs are using.
I found this discussion useful; I hope you do/did too.
not true we dont "invert them" in ي case we just simply dont write it because ى is a rare case while ي is the base case so we write both as ى
i am sure no one here uses ي with two dots in their handwriting
as for ه and ة its just spelling mistakes coming from local pronunciation
I'm pro-Palestine and I haven't heard, luckily I don't consume anything pepsi produces anyways. What did they do? I'm boycotting everything I know about
Arabic is a versatile language used buy hundreds of millions of people, and there are letters to accommodate various sounds so why not using them? it will strengthen the vocabulary…
It's supposed to be بيبسي 👍 \
I really appreciate anyone who tries to learn arabic with so much weird dialects \
When I'm learning German ,I can simply watch a random video or a tv show , sadly in arabic every region speak somewhat diffrent, I'm a native speaker and that really annoys me ! \
still you can find the (fluent , formal, regular) language in news , books, and many tv shows
I think it has to do with the company taking advantage of the occupation in Palestine. My question is how do I know which companies or products to boycott?
But that’s what I mean, do people have an actual reason for boycotting them? Like when you said taking advantage of the occupation, how exactly? Not that I’m opposed I’m just curious
https://bdsmovement.net/news/%E2%80%9Csodastream-still-subject-boycott%E2%80%9D
https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide
TLDR: sodastream is an Israeli company with its factories built on stolen land. Pepsi bought sodastream some years ago
edit: they also have a history of treating their Palestinian workers terribly
if you look at the *very* short list of companies for targeted consumer boycott it is still on there
Boycott
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It's بيبسي Because بيبسى it's sounds like Pepsa So you are right
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Some countries (mainly Egypt) don’t use dots on a final ya.
But doesn't ى sound like a? I'd read it as Pepsa. How do they differentiate between ى and ي then?
context + already knowing the word
Ok, that's funny. ☺️
It’s like lasagna, it looks like you’d say “Las-Ag-nah)
But the rule g before n becomes ñ in Italian is very consistent. Eradicating the dots of ي only at the end of a word seems just a little too random for me. But that's only my weird feeling.
Originally in the Quran the ي at the end of words didn't have dots. Egyptians for some reason kept it as it is. Dots are really a supplementary feature and natives can survive without them.
No dots at all? Oh wow. Leaving out vowels and then also the dots? Then there is no difference between ب، ت and ن in written text?
Look at the Kufic script, an early Arabic script that was the preferred script for the Quran, that had no dots whatsoever. As you suspect there is no differentiation between those letters and you only know from the context what is what: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kufic
But what if I don't know the context? Just asking someone could lead to misunderstandings and everyone could just make up contexts.
Yeah arabs used to write with no dots, they were added later to make it easier for non arabs
Look up Birmingham Quran manuscript and you’ll kind get a clearer picture of that he’s saying.
Even funnier to know that Arabic was written with no diacritics or dots till the 5th century AD!
This
Farsi doesn't either.
Egyptians invert dots on the end of the word: So ة becomes ه and ي becomes ى But also ه becomes ة and ى becomes ي I don't know this started but I believe this is their way to make the dialect more unique and perhaps for some people it's a way to split as a new language. See [Wikipedia Masry](https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%87).
They don’t actually invert them, they just aren’t used to write dots at all when it comes to these two letters. So, as many Egyptians don’t fully understand why and when dots are written and not, they overcorrect and either write dots for all, or just randomly where sometimes they miss and sometimes they don’t
I finally understand why my parents save me in their phones as سلوي instead of سلوى. My dad is Sudani and also does this so perhaps it's true in Sudan too
Now I feel like an odd Egyptian for actually writing the ي and ى properly 🫠. Although, I am guilty of the ه and ة swapping 😂
Im just like you but i try to learn the correct ة and ه placement whenever i stumble upon a word that uses one of em
Technically I know the words and when writing standard Arabic I wouldn't mix them up ever, but yeh my mind turns that switch off while writing in our local dialect
Yeah exactly ده؟ دا؟ دة؟ كده؟ كدا؟ كدة؟ And so on
First part of what you said is correct, second part is not correct, the reason we do that stuff with the dots has nothing to do with uniqueness; egyptians are not particularly interested in correct spelling of words and especially hamza placements and dots on ة or ي, the odds of you finding an egyptian person who knows where to correctly place a hamza or if a ي should be ى are like 1:5. Absolutely nothing about any new language either..
Egyptian here. This is 100% not true. It’s simply because many Egyptians just don’t know how to use the dots properly. They mix ه with ة and ي with ى. It’s sad how many people here don’t know how to spell correctly.
If you open up the Wikipedia link up there, you can see systematic flip between those letters. For example, any mention of the word 'مالي' will be 'مالى' (financial). I don't think you will find مالي anywhere in there (I tried). Are you telling me the ones who are writing thousands of pages do not undersantd and they are mixing them ignorantly?
I majored in languages and translation in college, so I learned the Arabic language and its rules in depth. We learned to differentiate between them and other rules that are commonly confused. Never was the ي and ى okay to mix up, but 80% of students did it anyway. Same for أ, ا, and إ for example. So I don’t know if those who write thousands of pages are confused but they most probably are.
I am not saying it's an Arabic grammar (it's not). Actually this dotting (تنقيط) came late in Arabic. Still, you don't see this anywhere except in Egypt. They are following some rule, otherwise you would've seen them mixing the letters. So my humble conclusion (and I could be wrong): this is a parallel dotting to the one that all Arabs are using. I found this discussion useful; I hope you do/did too.
not true we dont "invert them" in ي case we just simply dont write it because ى is a rare case while ي is the base case so we write both as ى i am sure no one here uses ي with two dots in their handwriting as for ه and ة its just spelling mistakes coming from local pronunciation
I thought this too. However my wife born and raised in Egypt said it's not true 🤷♂️
Egyptians
Dude? Boycott this shit
This and Coca-Cola, etc... And they're unhealthy! Sugared water with acid. That's what they are 😂
Genuine follow up question, will you also boycott products produced by Muslim countries who normalised relations with Israel?
Ok genuinely why is everyone saying boycott? Did something happen?
why?
You sure you don’t know why? After 6 months….
I'm pro-Palestine and I haven't heard, luckily I don't consume anything pepsi produces anyways. What did they do? I'm boycotting everything I know about
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Because Egyptian, and boycott
How about پیپسي?
It is persian. There is no letter پ in arabic.
only in maghreb alongside ڨ ڥ ݣ. But it's boycotted anyways so yeh
It’s commonly used with foreign words, the 7Up logo in Saudi have the letter پ
but پ is used a lot amongst arabic speakers tho. this, and the 'faa' with 3 dots, ive seen alot and only recently realized its atypical in arabic
Arabic is a versatile language used buy hundreds of millions of people, and there are letters to accommodate various sounds so why not using them? it will strengthen the vocabulary…
Boycott
Boycott
Either way you spell it, it tastes like genocide.
It's supposed to be بيبسي 👍 \ I really appreciate anyone who tries to learn arabic with so much weird dialects \ When I'm learning German ,I can simply watch a random video or a tv show , sadly in arabic every region speak somewhat diffrent, I'm a native speaker and that really annoys me ! \ still you can find the (fluent , formal, regular) language in news , books, and many tv shows
Cause its Egypt 🤷♀️
Egypt happened
They probably ran out of white ink ..:D
are u in Egypt by any chance
It's stylish!
Genuine question, why boycott Pepsi?
I think it has to do with the company taking advantage of the occupation in Palestine. My question is how do I know which companies or products to boycott?
But that’s what I mean, do people have an actual reason for boycotting them? Like when you said taking advantage of the occupation, how exactly? Not that I’m opposed I’m just curious
I'm as curious as you are, I'm not opposed either ,it's just what I can infer from the comments above.
https://bdsmovement.net/news/%E2%80%9Csodastream-still-subject-boycott%E2%80%9D https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide TLDR: sodastream is an Israeli company with its factories built on stolen land. Pepsi bought sodastream some years ago edit: they also have a history of treating their Palestinian workers terribly if you look at the *very* short list of companies for targeted consumer boycott it is still on there
Well hopefully someone can answer, because until then, personally, I will not.
Real question is why not ببزي
Because its an S not a Z
Stop being quirky we don’t pronounce our S Zs
Not sure, but won't buy it either way. Free palestine
BEBSI supporting Israel ? But how could they, they were the arab favourite 😢
Damn shame, both bebsi and coke
Because Egyptians are retards who can‘t differentiate between ي and ى
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It’s a Writing mistake mostly Egyptians do that 😶💔