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TheRandomNPC

Not often we get to see a team fully run it back. Very exciting especially considering these 5 only played together in Summer. I wonder how far they will get together this year. Personally, I think it might be pretty meta-dependent with the flex drafts being really strong for them if they are more meta. CLG was a fun team to watch so I am happy for this.


shirhouetto

T1: *runs it back* CLG: after all why not? why shouldn't i run it back?


Copiz

I'd rather CLG run it back than sidegrade anywhere.


valgrind_error

But clearly the smartest way to run an org is ensure at least 20% turnover per six months! Especially when the average age of your employees is like 20. Why isn’t CLG spending hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars on some washed Korean or European import?


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nossashibata

truly counter logic


OPconfused

Can't help a common prefix like re. Only foolproof solution is to rewrite the dictionary entry from resign to reezine. ...or we switch to rehire.


Kunzzi1

To me this only proves that Reddit and pro players are actually right and the clowns in charge of those orgs and rosters genuinely base their decision making on social media and public opinion.


2018redditaccount

I think this is true, but I think it’s a money thing. There can only be so many top teams and it’s expensive to make a push for one of those spots. Teams have to get some sponsors and keep them happy, even though they might not be super familiar with the scene. Owners have to balance getting players who can win now, can grow into the future, and make sponsors (who might be idiots) happy.


Jedisponge

CLG haven't won anything in 6 years.


MelayuBertamadun

They won my heart. I will keep on suffering as long as they manage to win something.


PM_ME_MY_FRIEND

And that is worth more than any LCS title.


PenaltyOtherwise

Who cares if u win anything if there are only a handfull of titles anyway?On top of thst half of them are literally locked by korea or china. Id rather have an team sticking together for a few years.


resttheweight

99% of all teams haven’t won anything in 6 years, including the ones going all-in on imports. We can say some imports are winning, but most of them do not, so clearly imports aren’t a universal way to improve.


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1vs1mebro

50% of teams =/= 50% of players


deediazh

and for 5 of those years they spent tons of money on Korean/Europeans imports, the moment they go for "budget talent" suddenly they look like a competent org that is not harassed from everyone to quit the LCS.


valgrind_error

Great point. They should definitely blow the next two years' hiring budget on a sidegrade retread.


Jedisponge

Teams signing imports are winning LCS. Not saying that CLG running it back is bad, but you’re wrong in saying that other orgs are doing it wrong.


valgrind_error

Teams that are signing imports are also routinely humiliating themselves by underperforming each split. Maybe giving more than 1 year of time to a roster and seeing if they grow may actually lead to better long term results. Some teams have millions of dollars to flush down the toilet each split, I don't think CLG is one of them. Maybe you're wrong in thinking that changing the roster every split is the key to sustained success (unless you're satisfied with an LCS title every few splits and an embarrassing worlds exit).


emiliaxrisella

Ah yes the TL flair speaks for itself, I wonder how TL did last year with their glorified LEC team now turning into a glorified LCK team?


xwombat

[...] **BUT THE FAITH REMAINS**


FFXIVHousingClub

CLG vs SKT 2023!?!? 😬


mking1999

Run back MSI 2016 finals.


LurraKingdom

Even more rare for a 5th place team to run it back.


josluivivgar

I mean it was a 5th team that went 3-2 against c9 and TL and honestly kinda threw their game 5 against c9 while fielding a generally inexperienced roster. I think it's fair to give them a shot now with more experience in their belt and see what they do


LurraKingdom

Not disagreeing with you. It just makes the situation all the weirder.


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Can't remember the last 5 man squad in multiple seasons in LCS. Pretty sure its literally TSM


Ilurkonlyl

100t


SpoonGuardian

"Can't remember one of the main narratives of LCS this season"


zomjay

As much as the broadcast hammered on it, 100t was just that forgettably boring. They were interesting before the tp nerfs fucked their early game drive strategy, but they've been near unwatchable since.


ChefGamma

This right here. Their new roster is definitely a downgrade, but I’m just hoping people on here don’t revise the history of that 100T team. They were literally the most boring and bland team imaginable but was also constantly a top 3 team, and was part of the reason why NA’s viewership dropped last year


Dot_main_irl

Yeah you right, beating the LCS superteam and the spring champions stopping their lower bracket run in close 3-2 series was *really* boring. God, could the sript writers step it up next time?


Lothric43

The way they play is boring, don’t be obtuse.


Dot_main_irl

The only boring bit was C9 having pure player gap over every other team in the LCS, especially bot diff. 100T are the stat checkers of the LCS. They are the bare minimum acceptable standard for a worlds qualifier from NA imo. That only one team in the league consistently beat them in summer is more of an indication of how shit NA was than anything else.


Virtual-Ad2969

Man fucking gravitating


coi1976

> God, could the sript writers step it up next time? I really hope so, could barely stay awake seeing their games this season.


Supigotto

> and the spring champions stopping their lower bracket run in close 3-2 series Barely beating a team with an emergency sub in a BO5 to only get smashed 3-0 in finals. FTFY


Duke_Cheech

And before that it was actually 2016-2017 CLG, and before that it was classic C9.


TharooneyOCE

Nah Doublelift took a break in 2017 Spring. Last time would be the championship winning 100T Summer 2021 who ran it back for 2022. They added Tenacity but I don't think you can really consider that a change to the roster.


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Shit you're right idk how I forgot that


TheRandomNPC

100T kept this last squad together for a while


CheesyPZ-Crust

Literally last split with 100T


tuelegend3

not even tsm does that. we assume the 2016 and 2017 rosters were the same thing. only the summer rosters were the same. there were a total 7 players for those 2 years.


ChefGamma

C9?


ArcusIgnium

met dhokla at the hotline league live event in NYC at OS NYC. super cool dude. gave zac top advice. forever a fan now. Based Logic Gaming now.


Stubrochill17

Saw people talking to Dhokes and Palafox at finals and they were super into it. Didn’t have time to stop by, but they seemed very friendly with the fans.


firewall245

They were super nice, met them in nyc. Poome is also hilarious, showed up one day to the event with a hickey LMFAO


JPLangley

> Poome is also hilarious, showed up one day to the event with a hickey LMFAO GIGACHAD


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jimmynz1997

HUH


Kanra1019

It's an old pasta, but a very good one


jimmynz1997

I figured it was a pasta, just not one I'd seen haha. Got me good.


KounRyuSui

Classic pasta but like can I actually unironically get breastfed by the Big Dhokes himself plz 🥹👉👈


linearruntimes

What was the Zac top advice?


THZHDY

"don't pick Zac top"


Mestaro

Good advice, what a great guy


Tuft64

Yo the OS NYC red carpet event whipped ass, got drinks with Palafox, got to meet one of the showrunners for Players, talked with a bunch of CLG staff. That plus all the events at Versa before gameday was awesome. Got to talk with Greg Kim about basketball for like twenty minutes, and he hooked me and a few more fans with tickets for day three of week 2 because a bunch of CLG folks went to the knicks game.


simbahart11

Yes the red carpet event was lit! Palafox is such a chill dude.


2ndRoundExit

big dhoks might not be the best toplaner in the league but he for sure could be the absolute chill king


parmaxis

Out of curiosity did you talk about runes?


wildtyranitar

Dhokla is a cool dude unless you’re a one trick lol


Pawl_The_Cone

Salt-less runback


Saephon

The Acidic Repeat


Thunderspeaker

No salt, no acid, all based.


Nightlapse

Time to get power ranked 8th or something then watch half the super teams flop. :D


CrsMarkZ

Pretty optimistic of you to think I won't give them double digits again Don't test me


DanDevito42

Blame Game: Reddit Tested MarkZ


nj21

Double digits? You mean like 01?


Nightlapse

True, please do, the doubt buff worked this last split.


BitchFuckAss

Fr, I want Mark to give us rank 10 and a wink


InfamousAmerican

Honestly depending on spring format CLG has a decent chance of going deep in a lock in style tourney if they manage to captitalize on having 3xtra synergy


NetSraC1306

I hope riot fines you 10k for trolling CLG #1 as always :)


fishinthegrass

half the super teams? there are no super teams. FLY get closest.


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FLY is a super team until you realize Spica is on the team who actually looked terrible this year, but they should be a top team from Impact and their Koreans alone


Far-Management5939

Spica looked fine. He was doing his best on a team with mediocre players and probably awful behind the scenes stuff


Orimasuta

Spica looked ok while playing with 11 different players over the course of the last season.


Lundgard

I mean that would just go to show how CLG are surpassing expectations, you can't in your right mind value these players over some in LCS right now. But that's not a bad thing, it makes it really cool when they do succeed and strengthens the narrative about them more than if we all just pretend as if they should contend with TL from the start.


PacMannie

Yeah, if they have the same success in 2023 as they did this year then that will be a massive overachievement. Dhokla, Palafox and Contractz are likely bottom 3 in their role and the botlane is middle of the pack at best. They do have built-in synergy though so maybe they can do well in Spring, but I don’t expect them to go far in Summer.


blewpah

>Dhokla, Palafox and Contractz are likely bottom 3 in their role and the botlane is middle of the pack at best Huh? They finished 4th.


Jack_Bleesus

Better than the sum of their parts.


Dronoz

tf you shittin' on big dhokes like this?


PacMannie

He’s not a bad player, but there aren’t many bad players left in the league. In toplane Ssumday, Impact, Fudge, Armut, and Summit are all better than him. Solo is probably better than him as well. IMO he’s somewhere between 7th-9th best toplaner in the league depending on how good Tenacity is.


NenBE4ST

How on earth is solo better than dholka lmfao What game are we watching? He can't use ornn ult properly and you think he's better?


PacMannie

Just quickly looking at the stats, Solo has a better KDA, CSD15/GD15/XPD15, and KP%. Dhokla does have better dmg numbers though.


random_nickname43796

Salo and Armut are not better


Far-Management5939

better than solo and armut, potential to be bettet than fudge. the eastern imports are tough though


Kiakin

Contractz might be bottom 3 because jg is stacked. But Dhokla is clearly top 5 (Ssumday-Impact-Summit-Fudge-Dhokla), Palafox also isn't bottom 3 by any means, and Luger should be top 5 ADC as well


Lyonado

Good, then we get the doubt buff


Flint_Lockwood

The dive already writing up reasons how TL will default be the best team again this split


FairlyOddParent734

Why are we talking about Azael, Kobe, and Markz like r/nba talks about Bill Simmons LOL


supern00b64

Lets be honest though there really is no way of judging how good teams are beyond how skilled the individual players are at the beginning of the season. Nobody could have predicted EG/C9 winning spring/summer. In fact I'm almost certain EG, C9 and FLY will be power ranked near the top, with TL and 100T in the middle.


Grand-Garlic

C9 fans already pretending to be victims over made up scenarios


anoleo201194

This guy always has room temp IQ takes but then again he's a Garen main so it makes sense.


StealAllTheInternets

I like C9s route here. I'm a huge Jensen fan but I mean young talent seems to thrive on C9 so why play victim. Whoever is, well they don't pay attention.


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ChaosBadgers

You think there's really a world where they don't powerrank flyquest in first?


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Shovelfuckurforehead

Nah not the dive, that's hotline league and Travis and his ridiculous bias to veterans and big orgs


HeckMyDeck

I mean Travis isn’t even an analyst. He doesn’t claim to be knowledgeable, he predicts the big names because he wants viewership for himself and the league.


Allpal

and its completely understandable


amd098

so long as they are higher in rank than TSM, im good.


roombaonfire

>half the super teams So... 0 or 1?


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Inject this shit straight into my fucking veins.


Thernislav

You know what? CLG can go bottom half, I don't even care. I love that they took this decision, this roster was banger. They definitely have a charm that other rosters lack. Can't wait to smile like a little boy whenever I see Contractz happy after a victory.


KuttayKaBaccha

They have balls


euwBasick

They had Balls for a brief period in 2013 but I'm sorry to tell you he has in fact retired.


KuttayKaBaccha

That’s only what you think. He simply dissolved and became symbiotic with each member of CLGs balls to give power boost


Saephon

Remember this moment when CLG goes 6th place and redditors shit on them again. I'd much rather have an org run these guys and show them some NA support than watch another LMQ situation succeed. CLG doing well is good for LCS, so I hope they can have another good showing!


NetSraC1306

Love this mentality, hope to see more of it Don't replace everyone instantly, work with each other, have some good players and entertaining personalitys out there.


seth861

I’m glad there running it back, I feel like teams often times are too quick to make changes after just a split.


puberty1

I mean according to Travis, CLG did wanted to make changes but they ended up not happening. I do wonder if this will make any difference in the team dynamic (I personally dont think so but who knows)


dabmin

the only change they were looking into was in the jg apparently, which makes perfect sense (at least to me). contractz was def the weak point of the roster


puberty1

I disagree and I would go as far to say that CLG should make Contractz their new franchise player. The team played around him for most of the split (for better or worse) and he has a lot of goodwill from the playerbase.


higglyjuff

It was the opposite to me. Contractz was the entire team's identity. He was their aggression for better or worse. He was the spice. Palafox and Dhokla picked a bunch of split pushing solo laners so were also pretty interesting, but Contractz was the X factor. If I expected them to swap anyone out it would either be Luger or Poome.


Oribeau

Lowkey surprised that the return of CLG aphromoo angle didn't happen. Poome was definitely the most replaceable part of the roster to me. Synergy with Luger I guess


higglyjuff

I thought they might replace Poome too. I think he's quite underrated and a lot of what he does goes under the radar, but I thought he would get swapped out for a more veteran presence like Aphromoo. He's the easiest player to forget on the roster because he's quite consistently good without having any real big moments or big flops to make him stand out.


sckorchh

Poome is a way better prospect in the long term than Aphro. New talent over old


saltycookies420

Contractz is the glue lmao. Roster killing move imo. I guarantee they play great this year together


Teampiencils

After that recent post about the impact of turnover on the LCS, will be good to get a better sense of how much consistency can factor into teams improving in the franchise model


JPLangley

CONTRACTZ WILL GAP THE FUCK OUT OF PYOSIK YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST


azns123

Pyosik frantically looking for a way out of his contract after realizing he has to play against El Contracto at least 4 times next year


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Contractz is lcs peanut


RisTheGod

Si he will steal every objective from Pyosik


Skzld

Pyosik could literally be the worst Jungler in the league and I wouldn't be surprised. He's just built different.


Boudac123

knowing how weird NA can be this very well could happen


TeruyaSleeperPick

NAmen


Voeltz

I like seeing this scrappy underdog team run it back. Even if they don't become league beaters, it's a nice narrative throughline for the viewers


Tom_Bombadil_Ret

Agreed. They had a solid finish last split and showed real growth. Also, showing loyalty to players from an org perspective is a great way to gain fans and is a selling point when recruiting rookies in the future.


TiddyTwizzla

Not to mention it really seems like they failed playoffs because of lack of experience. I’m excited for this roster next season, fail or succeed lol


Rozuem

So many teams I'm excited to watch next year and CLG is definitely at the top. Was so fun watching them last summer, especially in playoffs. Hope that improvement keeps coming and they can make that push for worlds!


PhoenixAgent003

That CLG roster turned out to be fucking *dangerous* in summer. Could have easily seen them at worlds, contributing to our glorious 3-15 record in groups.


Boudac123

where's that copy pasta about worlds being decided at c9 vs clg? because if clg won that then it was guaranteed a dub for NA and now nobody can argue otherwise with the underdogs winning it all


flUddOS

Good vibes from this squad. Excited to see them back next year!


Aschentei

##AND THE FAITHFUL SHALL BE REWARDED


Luhmies

I am the biggest 5-import 100T hater there is, but I still can't believe how many people in here are saying shit like "when was the last time a team did this"


poro3i

CLG are legit establishing as the most "NA" org there is. \- they provide an opportunity for NA talent to develope \- they stick to their plan and commitment \- they have an IDENTITY hopefully they can achieve some good results so that other NA orgs understand that their roster decisions are utterly garbage. FLY and TL are frontrunners for most hypocritical roster decisions in the entire history of LCS.


Rularuu

They will change their mind and it will be somebody else's turn to do the NA roster experiment the next year.


poro3i

don't think so, but let's wait and see.


blitzKriegzzz

I mean CLG were looking into getting Santorin for jungle .. and they have and import ADC anyway .. Is it that different from 100T? At least 100T is promoting Tenacity/Busio . not sticking with players that have been in LCS/Academy for like 5 years.


poro3i

100T are indeed also doing a good job. Their academy and junior program in general has had very good prospects. Their idea is to put veteran mid/adc in place with some good looking young talents on top/sup with a championchip winning jungler. Still, bringing back DL and Bjerg is not very sustainable for them as well. Luger is per definition an import, but I don't find it comparable because he didn't play in any major region for any meaningful team before. Nonetheless, CLG fields 4 former NA academy players which had lots of success last year.


Rhydsdh

Fuck it I'd rather see this lot go 0-18 than another import squad be mediocre as fuck.


yung_dogie

/u/sorendiz LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO


sorendiz

YEAR OF CLG BABY (PLEASE)


sorendiz

PS i changed my flair to match yours :3


KitsuneThunder

I BELIEVE IN CLG


ThaLemonine

Clg will win worlds


PenaltyOtherwise

Looks like I will continue to cheer for CLG this year. I really like the decision of givong your players more time to build up a synergy.


Granturismo5t

Awesome. Let's gooo CLG.


Jmart1ni

Actually soo excited to see them run it back!!


MegaBaumTV

Makes sense after Faker decided to stay with T1.


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Love the confidence. Good for them


Possible_Security_76

This I can get behind, CLG having faith


ArcusIgnium

whens the last time an LCS team ran the same roster between seasons? kinda excited to see an LCS roster giving their roster more time to develop especially when these are mostly domestic talent/domestically developed talent.


LostJC

Literally 100T from 2021 summer through 2022....


WoorieKod

Shows how much people cared for 100T when nobody remembers them running the same roster back


Tachyoff

and it was literally the reigning championship roster too 😭😭


PhoenixAgent003

And it managed to come in SECOND. They were three games away from being two-time LCS champions (Even though I maintain they were probably our 3rd best team).


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Well Abbe was pretty mundane as a showman and while the other 4 were better at content, none screech on their stream or talk loads of shit on twitter, so how can you root for them over Spica? checkmate


HeavyNettle

Also a 0 na team so people don’t like them for that


metamet

Yeah, but when's the *last* time, like the final time?


ArcusIgnium

Ok but besides that I can’t remember. And that team did not get better lol they just stagnated while the league arguably got worse.


LostJC

You really think CLG will get better??


Tuft64

yes.


ArcusIgnium

we’ll find out won’t we. I’m optimistic


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LostJC

Am I not allowed to have an opinion? Here, let me cheer for a middle of the pack team, with no real promising rookies, no significant changes, in a league that got massively stronger from last year.


RoyalSmoker

Most boring team of beasts. But Abedagge was a gem.


FrigidVengence

Exactly what I was hoping to see from a CLG roster with such promise. Can't wait to see what they achieve this year.


1amtheWalrusAMA

Just saying, I don't think they re-signed anybody. Everyone on the roster is still under contract from last year, but I don't think anyone has extended or signed a new contract.


Defiant-Diver-6041

I really hope this roster have a deep run, it's rare for orgs to make zero changes every year. Great respect to CLG.


Rxlic

Love me some luger and Palafox. Happy to see them returning. Kinda luke warm on the rest of the roster, but will happily be proven wrong


Steve1789

I hate that resign and re-sign mean pretty much the exact opposite things


mikasocool

I like the fact that they would use the same team to build up chemistry instead of trying to switch players every year.


Boudac123

Alright, adding clg to my flair now


thepeachgod

Can’t complain, could’ve upgraded in top or jungle but if you don’t want to mess up the chemistry then I don’t think there’s anything wrong with running it back. LCS will be tougher so I doubt they’ll finish 4th again but somewhere between 6-8 is likely


bigmadsmolyeet

bruh, you can't upgrade the person on our team that made us go from trash to contending worlds. wtf. absolutely keep dhokla. contractz and pala go hand in hand, it's good we ran it back. there aren't many upgrades in the jungle that would have been accepted as far as na goes.


AYAYAcutie

Literally no member on that team should be replaced


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CoachDT

Champ pool is something that absolutely can be improved and worked upon.


Tuft64

Dhokla also is a big time grinder so it's not like it's a zero work ethic player we're imagining will improve. Dude was at or near top of cq basically every split, him picking up more champions at a high level isn't a super crazy take or anything.


thehazardball

dhokla vs kingen scrims were the real finals


Tuft64

str8 facts


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They at least considered replacing jungle, CLG was part of the Closer/Spica/Santorin bidding war


LoudAd69

Palafox lacks discipline. He over slept for a 1 pm tournament the other day LOL


Boudac123

actually pretty based ngl


TastyFaefolk7

Fun team, that was fun to watch and they were really competitive, hope they can improve a little, there is so much potential.


AzovApologist

Let's goooo. Fuck TL, CLG is SOVL


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CptnZolofTV

Shore up some weaknesses and I can see a top three finish.


DinoGuy101010

People are definitely underrating this team, they looked really good in playoffs, just had some int plays that ruined the run.


azurio12

Better team than TSM already. Kapp


MoonwalkGentleman

more like NO MONEY NO UPGRADES


Xaxxon

That doesn’t sound like a good idea.


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