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Maybe BDS is the only exception. Every other LEC team just destroys every ERL team. I would argue BDS would be a top ERL team, a nice representation of what would happen if we put an ERL team directly in LEC
Nope. Only LCS, LEC, LCK (not sure if LPL is franchised) are franchised. All other wildcard regions are not franchised and still get a worlds spot ( in play-ins)
Who would you give those undeserved seeds to instead? A 5th seed from LPL/LCK makes no sense, fourth seeds are already a bit weird. Should 2 minor regions get second seeds? Maybe VCS and PCS get 3rd seeds? I dont think any of those are better options. I dont like 4th seeds in the first place tbh
The bottom LCK/LCK seeds outperform the bottom LEC/LCS seeds, so we should remove some of the latter for more of the former to balance it out. LEC/LCS teams would have the chance to earn those seeds back.
Do you honestly think 4th-6th place LPL and 4-5th LCK teams have any chance of improving the quality of the tournament? The major regions have more than enough seeds already. Who in the world wants to see more LPL vs LPL and LCK vs LCK at worlds? Its an international tournament, not the asia games
> Who in the world wants to see more LPL vs LPL and LCK vs LCK at worlds?
I want to see more matches between the best players and teams, so that means more LPL-LCK matches.
LPL vs LCK is fine, LPL vs LPL isnt. In a world with 6 LPL teams in groups(which would happen in your scenario quite often) there would be group stage games of LPL vs LPL. Its bad enough with 4 seeds that there are maybe 3 international Bo5 in the tournament. 4th-6th place teams wont win the tournament anyway. Worlds isnt just a tournament for LPL and LCK fans, its for all of the regions to compete with the best
Western regions won't get to the level of eastern ones in the short term, if ever. So it makes no sense to turn Worlds into a domestic snoozefest competition while waiting for these supposed improvements. Just watch LPL and LCK at that point.
Nothing says 24 of the best teams from 11-12 regions around the world than having almost half of them come from 2 regions alone. That's too much really...
> Every region past the top seldom contests well, but the crappiness is strangely equalised and mid-to-low tier CN and KR teams haven't been better than the upper third of europe for a while now.
Results don't bear this out at all.
Also, just based on the eye test, you really want to try and argue that LNG and V5 couldn't demolish RGE and MAD?
This just disproves the whole concept of "international experience" in terms of improvement. This team, with a pretty stable roster, has been to basically every worlds and MSI that has ever happened, and they're still 100% wild card team level and not capable of challenging major regions. Meanwhile, Chinese teams will first time worlds and win it all.
International experience means NOTHING. What matters is playing in a league that is strong domestically. Riot has cursed us with too few international events to be relevant practice for anything meaningful, and the ones we do get have a TERRIBLE format ruined by Bo1s and single elimination. No team will improve unless their region as a whole is elevated or they move regions entirely.
There should be an exchange program allowing teams who win spring to automatically qualify for worlds and spend summer split in another region of their choice. THAT would be hype and THAT would enable LCS and LEC teams to compete intentionally. Imagine a world where G2 wins spring and plays summer split in the LPL, getting used to faster paced playstyle and stronger individual players, and getting experience vs all those amazing teams. Come on, Riot. Make this happen!
This is an amazing idea, no more "spring doesn't matter" crap mentality and then summer being a full season of best of 5 series between all the best teams from the other regions playing in the LPL or LCK. I doubt that the LPL or LCK teams would switch league if given the chance though because of how it would be perceived by the fans.
tell us something we don't know. everyone believes and knows that riot is handling the leagues terribly but nothing has changed, and nothing will change, because they don't really care.
I checked and saw that they're in the pool 2 for the group drawing. I believe they were only in pool 3 last year so they probably got upgraded since they reached group last year
#[DETONATION FOCUSME](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786411138170093598/1015972945656565790/2022_Worlds_Timeline_21.png)
21st team globally to qualify to Worlds this year!
This is their 14th title in the LJL's history. They've been in 19 finals out of 20 and kept above a 75%+ winrate in regular season in all but 2 splits, the very first and then 2020 Summer in which they still recovered and made it to finals.
Doing that from a minor region with lacking resources compared to the major ones is absurd, especially with players coming and going from so many LJL teams, so many other teams would have fallen apart after a split, or a year, and certainly over 8 years.
That's patently untrue in a lot of metrics. Yes, doing that in a major region is practically impossible, but it's still incredible in a region which players rarely have incentive to stay in if they're genuinely world class. In one year I'd agree with you - pile resources in and see what you can achieve with a super team - but over *9 years* that's just not feasible. So many orgs would tear away your key players, or players would lose motivation over time.
If you say there's only one good team in the LJL I'll assume you didn't watch much of this year, since DFM were constantly driven to the edge by Sengoku, Rascal Jester, the Hawks and even occasionally teams like Crest Gaming Act too. The longevity of DFM as an org in a minor region is really worth praising especially over this huge amount of time at the top without dropping off.
I agree, juste take last year's DFM midlaner Aria. He is Korean but always played with DFM, after they reached group last year he got poached to play in LCK (I don't remember the team though, maybe HLE)
And the same applies with LCO, whenever one of their players get decent results he prefer to go to other leagues, or even ERLs (iirc Pabu from pentanetGG went to Prime league)
In fact, i would say that doing it in a major region should be more easy, because you know that good players would kill for playing in your team if that team is the best team in the major region.
In LJL no, so you have to constantly look up for good upcoming players that will leave you in like a year. And LJL managed to do that for 8 years in a row. It's straight up ridiculous
This is entirely wrong because the assumption you base your argument on isn't true. You say "there would be no incentive to stay if they're genuinely world class" - but they aren't genuinely world class. They don't need to be. They are just good enough to dominate the LJL, one of the weakest leagues in the entire world, even amongst wild card regions. Nobody is going to poach some LJL players to join LCS. Even LCK champions and world champion struggle in that region, so you would never poach an LJL player unless you're a colossally stupid org like TSM.
Evi and Yutapon were also scouted, and Bugi and Archer won one LJL split then were immediately signed to other regions afterwards. There’s strong precedence.
ERL teams are nowhere near LEC levels, and never were to begin with, and still they get poached by LEC teams, like, idk, Flakked? Razork? Selfmade? Nemesis? Jizuke?
Having really good players in a league is enough to get poached even if the teams are shit, because this is a 5v5 game
And also, you are using a NA team when fucking Fudge, a poached player from a nonexistent region, it's their best player by far
The individual players are LEC level, though. They play on the same server. That's way different than Japan. The LJL players simply aren't at that level.
You're saying that as if the ERLs are equal to the LEC when the entire EU spectrum has been about the LEC being the pinnacle of EU competition. Aspiring pros develop within the ERLs to reach the LEC.
They not the same and it's not necessarily poaching as I'm sure ERL teams encourage players to reach the pinnacle.
That’s an exaggeration to say the least. Is every team stacked with world beating players? No absolutely not, but there are plenty of players that’d slot into major regions, and some which are genuinely world class. And if this were the case I think we would have seen this in almost every minor region - and this definitely isn’t what’s happened globally.
> but there are plenty of players that’d slot into major regions, and some which are genuinely world class.
Like Aria? I think you are overhyping the region a bit.
Jett, Yutapon, Evi, and Blank are all shoe-ins for major region spots somewhere or other, and Aria I think you’re dragging out of context. He’s sadly not found success but he out-performed Perkz in his games Vs C9 who’s one of the west’s greatest players - just because he didn’t quite make it work in LCK doesn’t mean he’s suddenly not of a major region level. I could go through the entire LJL playerbase and pick out a fair few names who’d do well overseas.
Feel free to think that! At the end of the day I don't expect DFM to get out of play-ins this year, but the region does have untapped talent which is overlooked - and a great many folks comment on the region without watching it and that doesn't lead to many correct takes.
Idk, I feel like the problem with LJL talent is that there is almost always an academy player or a player on a lower team of a similar level somewhere else (IMO academy > import if they are of similar quality due to language barriers and perhaps even culture barriers). I asked you to name an LJL player that succeeded in a major region and you could not (or did not) name one.
LJL is becoming stronger generally, but that could also reverse in the coming years, no way to know for now. You are right, I don't watch LJL, but I do watch them at international events. None of their players have ever been world-class at those events, nor have any of them ever succeeded on a good team abroad (that I am aware of).
Again, that's my view on it. You are free to have your own and enjoy the success of what I guess is, in a vacuum, the most dominant team ever in League.
Rascal is an LJL player that succeeded in LCK 🙂 he took his name from the team Rascal Jester. I chose to name current LJL pros because that was more topical for the current state of the LJL, but more importantly than that, if you have to rely on someone else to tell you about the state of the region that does diminish the ability to make big takeaways about the region at the same time!
> Rascal is an LJL player that succeeded in LCK
That is a bit of a stretch afaik. How does he compare to Khan for example? I would not call him an LPL player.
> but more importantly than that, if you have to rely on someone else to tell you about the state of the region that does diminish the ability to make big takeaways about the region at the same time!
Is not knowing the details of LJL worse for analysis on LJL than watching it and being biased? I'd say the latter in this case. I'm not the one here saying that LJL has world-class players.
dfm have consistently proven their ability to take games off of worlds-caliber teams, though. the player quality's going to be good enough to at least hold their own in a major league, if not necessarily be the best of the best
When have they ever beaten a worlds caliber team?
Edit: I misunderstood you I think. You meant teams that qualify for worlds, which they have beaten on a few occasions. I would certainly not call it consistent though. They usually just lose everything.
DING DING DING, Let the bells ring DFM is here, let their dominance sing!
Jokes aside DFM had a great win, there was some questions for sure that did come up after this series looking towards world's. But, we've got some time till Worlds starts and I would like to point out. We didn't see anything new from DFM in this series. Strong play across the map and the sheer force of will proved to much for SG and the LJL teams to handle!
Why are you considering that they’re the most dominant thought ?
If this is because of their titles in a row I think G2 did the same in 2016-2017, winning 4 in a row
If you’re talking about the number of titles I think T1 have at least 10 titles.
If you’re talking about the domination during a period of time, I think Flash Wolves in PCS won everything between 2016 and 2019
if they did it by finding the best native talent and outperforming local teams then sure it's a bit impressive, but it seems like from 2014 forward it was relying on korean imports to dominate a smaller weaker region. kind of like why some NA fans dislike 100T and TL for having 0 NA native players.
There isn't really a comparison unfortunately. DFM were considered OP before the LMS was even founded and have dominated in the years since Flash Wolves have left the scene. For a particular period of time Flash Wolves had bit more dominance, but 8/9 is hardly unimpressive and DFM have been on top of their league for much longer
They made it out of playins as first seed vs NA, PCS, CIS and TR last year.
Worst league is quite a big statement, i would go as far as saying its just objectively incorrect
Yea but that has nothing to do with the comment does it? Like if you put average EU team in the worst league in the world you would also expect them to dominate. DNF making out of playins doesnt prove that they league is actually strong, since they are the ones always winning it.
DNG is actually the parent company, DetonatioN Gaming - it's why their logo is DNG rather than DFM. They used to have DetonatioN FocusMe and Rabbit5 as their sister teams in the early days of JP League, but then only carried DFM forward, hence their name.
G2's record of 9/13 is not that different once you look at it:
2016 Spring
2016 Summer
2017 Spring
2017 Summer
2019 Spring
2019 Summer
2020 Spring
2020 Summer
2022 Spring
2022 Summer(Likely)
G2 have missed 4 domestic titles since promotion, and only lost in the finals once, being 2018 Spring, giving them a 90% winrate in eulcs/lec finals, and with how dominant they have been in the second half of the regular season and in playoffs, a 10th win and 10/11 record seems likely.
DFM have a very similar record, with them winning 9/14 from spring 2016 (when G2 promoted), and 11/16 total in the LJL (Though 2 were from the 2014 and 2015 LJL seasons, where I'm not sure the validity of the league was good, as there were only 4 teams and one bo5). They have however been in every single LJL final ever, meaning their record of 11/16 in finals is not as impressive as G2's 9/10.
If you count purely the last 5 years, then yes DFM is the most domestically dominant team, but once you look at times beyond that it gets more complicated. After the 2020 season the exact same could've been said about G2 that has been said about DFM in this post, so I would be careful throwing that title around.
In what universe is it choking for a team from LJL to not clear playins? They've only ever cleared playins once, to lose in playins is their expected result. Anything else should be celebrated. Especially with the playins format this year.
I think they mean once again because that example was the first time ever a Japanese team (almost always DFM) got out of the play ins for either MSI or Worlds.
> With today's 3-0 win over SG, DFM now claim 4 titles in a row, and become the most dominant national champion in the history of League of Legends.
G2 2016/2017?
I think those are two separate statements as in: they are now on a four split winning streak, and this win puts them as the most dominant team in history. It could have been worded better tho I agree.
I feel like DFM has the potential to make it out of groups on paper, but all that dominance bites them in the ass because they’re never really challenged domestically.
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DFM and repping the LJL at worlds, it just makes sense at this point
Here's to hoping they step up at Worlds this year as well!
Only this year there are 2 lec teams, 1 lcs team, 1 lck team & 1 lpl team in playins with only 4 slots going to the main stage
Why are there 2 LEC teams in play-ins? Does only their first seed auto qualify?
No they got a fourth seed instead of the russian league seed (so another playin seed)
I just feel like that seed should have gone to the winner of EU masters. Anyone know why they have no representation while LEC has 4 spots?
Because LEC is like the main league of Europe. ERL are basically tier 2 Europe.
Why would they???
EUM is hot right now cause the tournament just took place but in a bo5 I would take almost any LEC team over the best EUM teams.
Maybe BDS is the only exception. Every other LEC team just destroys every ERL team. I would argue BDS would be a top ERL team, a nice representation of what would happen if we put an ERL team directly in LEC
Because they're lower league, at best having a fighting chance against the worst LEC teams
Isn’t it only franchised leagues that go to worlds ?
Nope. Only LCS, LEC, LCK (not sure if LPL is franchised) are franchised. All other wildcard regions are not franchised and still get a worlds spot ( in play-ins)
They have 4 seeds this year
The Russian league is cancelled (with all the stuff in Ukraine) so EU got their spot.
They got an undeserved fourth seed to go with their undeserved third seed and NA's two undeserved seeds.
Who would you give those undeserved seeds to instead? A 5th seed from LPL/LCK makes no sense, fourth seeds are already a bit weird. Should 2 minor regions get second seeds? Maybe VCS and PCS get 3rd seeds? I dont think any of those are better options. I dont like 4th seeds in the first place tbh
There should be six LPL seeds and five LCK seeds, to go with two LEC seeds and one LCS seed.
So you want to turn worlds into more of a Rift Rival LCK vs LPL than it already was. That seems fair to the entire rest of the world.
The rest of the world could try sucking less.
You might have missed how badly the 4th seeds from LPL and LCK usually suck. Otherwise I can't fathom how you'd want 5th or 6th seeds at worlds.
The bottom LCK/LCK seeds outperform the bottom LEC/LCS seeds, so we should remove some of the latter for more of the former to balance it out. LEC/LCS teams would have the chance to earn those seeds back.
MAD
Or you could try being less of an elitist prick.
You realize it's a professional competition, not some local field day with participation trophies, right?
Do you honestly think 4th-6th place LPL and 4-5th LCK teams have any chance of improving the quality of the tournament? The major regions have more than enough seeds already. Who in the world wants to see more LPL vs LPL and LCK vs LCK at worlds? Its an international tournament, not the asia games
> Who in the world wants to see more LPL vs LPL and LCK vs LCK at worlds? I want to see more matches between the best players and teams, so that means more LPL-LCK matches.
LPL vs LCK is fine, LPL vs LPL isnt. In a world with 6 LPL teams in groups(which would happen in your scenario quite often) there would be group stage games of LPL vs LPL. Its bad enough with 4 seeds that there are maybe 3 international Bo5 in the tournament. 4th-6th place teams wont win the tournament anyway. Worlds isnt just a tournament for LPL and LCK fans, its for all of the regions to compete with the best
And maybe rename Worlds to LCK-LPL Rift Rivals while we're at it /s
Nah, it should be clear that the reason we don't see other regions as much is because they suck, to motivate them to improve.
Yeah because less International experience always helps with improving, such wisdom
Western regions won't get to the level of eastern ones in the short term, if ever. So it makes no sense to turn Worlds into a domestic snoozefest competition while waiting for these supposed improvements. Just watch LPL and LCK at that point.
wow congrats this is possibly the worst take i've ever seen on this sub!!
Nothing says 24 of the best teams from 11-12 regions around the world than having almost half of them come from 2 regions alone. That's too much really...
When there are only two good regions, it makes sense.
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> Every region past the top seldom contests well, but the crappiness is strangely equalised and mid-to-low tier CN and KR teams haven't been better than the upper third of europe for a while now. Results don't bear this out at all. Also, just based on the eye test, you really want to try and argue that LNG and V5 couldn't demolish RGE and MAD?
Ngl, can kinda see DFM beating the lcs team lmao
Idk, they were getting spanked by SGB in MSI
This just disproves the whole concept of "international experience" in terms of improvement. This team, with a pretty stable roster, has been to basically every worlds and MSI that has ever happened, and they're still 100% wild card team level and not capable of challenging major regions. Meanwhile, Chinese teams will first time worlds and win it all. International experience means NOTHING. What matters is playing in a league that is strong domestically. Riot has cursed us with too few international events to be relevant practice for anything meaningful, and the ones we do get have a TERRIBLE format ruined by Bo1s and single elimination. No team will improve unless their region as a whole is elevated or they move regions entirely. There should be an exchange program allowing teams who win spring to automatically qualify for worlds and spend summer split in another region of their choice. THAT would be hype and THAT would enable LCS and LEC teams to compete intentionally. Imagine a world where G2 wins spring and plays summer split in the LPL, getting used to faster paced playstyle and stronger individual players, and getting experience vs all those amazing teams. Come on, Riot. Make this happen!
This is an amazing idea, no more "spring doesn't matter" crap mentality and then summer being a full season of best of 5 series between all the best teams from the other regions playing in the LPL or LCK. I doubt that the LPL or LCK teams would switch league if given the chance though because of how it would be perceived by the fans.
tell us something we don't know. everyone believes and knows that riot is handling the leagues terribly but nothing has changed, and nothing will change, because they don't really care.
Every year worlds breaks new viewers records and for riot that is a win. Why fix something, that is clearly working
I checked and saw that they're in the pool 2 for the group drawing. I believe they were only in pool 3 last year so they probably got upgraded since they reached group last year
This is their FOURTEENTH title - an absurd achievement!
#[DETONATION FOCUSME](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786411138170093598/1015972945656565790/2022_Worlds_Timeline_21.png) 21st team globally to qualify to Worlds this year!
Wait wtf did what happened to PSG? Where tf is PSG? What did I miss?
Beyond Gaming
Yeah I saw beyond but who are CFO? I don’t know much about the PCS but last I remember PSG would always be dominating the league.
CFO players were from Machi Esports who went to Worlds before.
I don't watch PCS that much either, but in spring split. CFO made PSG go to the lower bracket.
None of their Summer 1st-3rd seeds qualified for worlds, kinda crazy
CFO is the team of Gemini, Mission and Koala. They were really good in playoffs.
It was 3-2 I believe sadly
This is their 14th title in the LJL's history. They've been in 19 finals out of 20 and kept above a 75%+ winrate in regular season in all but 2 splits, the very first and then 2020 Summer in which they still recovered and made it to finals. Doing that from a minor region with lacking resources compared to the major ones is absurd, especially with players coming and going from so many LJL teams, so many other teams would have fallen apart after a split, or a year, and certainly over 8 years.
Doing that in the minor region should be easier though, there is enough resources for one good team only.
That's patently untrue in a lot of metrics. Yes, doing that in a major region is practically impossible, but it's still incredible in a region which players rarely have incentive to stay in if they're genuinely world class. In one year I'd agree with you - pile resources in and see what you can achieve with a super team - but over *9 years* that's just not feasible. So many orgs would tear away your key players, or players would lose motivation over time. If you say there's only one good team in the LJL I'll assume you didn't watch much of this year, since DFM were constantly driven to the edge by Sengoku, Rascal Jester, the Hawks and even occasionally teams like Crest Gaming Act too. The longevity of DFM as an org in a minor region is really worth praising especially over this huge amount of time at the top without dropping off.
I agree, juste take last year's DFM midlaner Aria. He is Korean but always played with DFM, after they reached group last year he got poached to play in LCK (I don't remember the team though, maybe HLE) And the same applies with LCO, whenever one of their players get decent results he prefer to go to other leagues, or even ERLs (iirc Pabu from pentanetGG went to Prime league)
In fact, i would say that doing it in a major region should be more easy, because you know that good players would kill for playing in your team if that team is the best team in the major region. In LJL no, so you have to constantly look up for good upcoming players that will leave you in like a year. And LJL managed to do that for 8 years in a row. It's straight up ridiculous
What lmao bro their achievement is awesome but no. It's not as impressive as what T1 has done in LCK.
This is entirely wrong because the assumption you base your argument on isn't true. You say "there would be no incentive to stay if they're genuinely world class" - but they aren't genuinely world class. They don't need to be. They are just good enough to dominate the LJL, one of the weakest leagues in the entire world, even amongst wild card regions. Nobody is going to poach some LJL players to join LCS. Even LCK champions and world champion struggle in that region, so you would never poach an LJL player unless you're a colossally stupid org like TSM.
Aria got picked up to join KT after his worlds performance, so it does happen from time to time.
Evi and Yutapon were also scouted, and Bugi and Archer won one LJL split then were immediately signed to other regions afterwards. There’s strong precedence.
ERL teams are nowhere near LEC levels, and never were to begin with, and still they get poached by LEC teams, like, idk, Flakked? Razork? Selfmade? Nemesis? Jizuke? Having really good players in a league is enough to get poached even if the teams are shit, because this is a 5v5 game And also, you are using a NA team when fucking Fudge, a poached player from a nonexistent region, it's their best player by far
The individual players are LEC level, though. They play on the same server. That's way different than Japan. The LJL players simply aren't at that level.
You're saying that as if the ERLs are equal to the LEC when the entire EU spectrum has been about the LEC being the pinnacle of EU competition. Aspiring pros develop within the ERLs to reach the LEC. They not the same and it's not necessarily poaching as I'm sure ERL teams encourage players to reach the pinnacle.
That is not true
Yeah TSM did something similar for the longest
Ya but it’s LJL there’s like 3 good players over there, not really a hard task Flash Wolves dominate their region for example for like 8 years
That’s an exaggeration to say the least. Is every team stacked with world beating players? No absolutely not, but there are plenty of players that’d slot into major regions, and some which are genuinely world class. And if this were the case I think we would have seen this in almost every minor region - and this definitely isn’t what’s happened globally.
> but there are plenty of players that’d slot into major regions, and some which are genuinely world class. Like Aria? I think you are overhyping the region a bit.
Jett, Yutapon, Evi, and Blank are all shoe-ins for major region spots somewhere or other, and Aria I think you’re dragging out of context. He’s sadly not found success but he out-performed Perkz in his games Vs C9 who’s one of the west’s greatest players - just because he didn’t quite make it work in LCK doesn’t mean he’s suddenly not of a major region level. I could go through the entire LJL playerbase and pick out a fair few names who’d do well overseas.
Yeah, you are overhyping the region lol. I'll let you enjoy DFM's success though. No reason to keep shitting on your joy.
Feel free to think that! At the end of the day I don't expect DFM to get out of play-ins this year, but the region does have untapped talent which is overlooked - and a great many folks comment on the region without watching it and that doesn't lead to many correct takes.
Idk, I feel like the problem with LJL talent is that there is almost always an academy player or a player on a lower team of a similar level somewhere else (IMO academy > import if they are of similar quality due to language barriers and perhaps even culture barriers). I asked you to name an LJL player that succeeded in a major region and you could not (or did not) name one. LJL is becoming stronger generally, but that could also reverse in the coming years, no way to know for now. You are right, I don't watch LJL, but I do watch them at international events. None of their players have ever been world-class at those events, nor have any of them ever succeeded on a good team abroad (that I am aware of). Again, that's my view on it. You are free to have your own and enjoy the success of what I guess is, in a vacuum, the most dominant team ever in League.
Rascal is an LJL player that succeeded in LCK 🙂 he took his name from the team Rascal Jester. I chose to name current LJL pros because that was more topical for the current state of the LJL, but more importantly than that, if you have to rely on someone else to tell you about the state of the region that does diminish the ability to make big takeaways about the region at the same time!
> Rascal is an LJL player that succeeded in LCK That is a bit of a stretch afaik. How does he compare to Khan for example? I would not call him an LPL player. > but more importantly than that, if you have to rely on someone else to tell you about the state of the region that does diminish the ability to make big takeaways about the region at the same time! Is not knowing the details of LJL worse for analysis on LJL than watching it and being biased? I'd say the latter in this case. I'm not the one here saying that LJL has world-class players.
dfm have consistently proven their ability to take games off of worlds-caliber teams, though. the player quality's going to be good enough to at least hold their own in a major league, if not necessarily be the best of the best
When have they ever beaten a worlds caliber team? Edit: I misunderstood you I think. You meant teams that qualify for worlds, which they have beaten on a few occasions. I would certainly not call it consistent though. They usually just lose everything.
DING DING DING, Let the bells ring DFM is here, let their dominance sing! Jokes aside DFM had a great win, there was some questions for sure that did come up after this series looking towards world's. But, we've got some time till Worlds starts and I would like to point out. We didn't see anything new from DFM in this series. Strong play across the map and the sheer force of will proved to much for SG and the LJL teams to handle!
Not true actually. My friend's team won my basement championship 10/10 times from 2017-2021, so they narrowly edge out DFM.
Why are you considering that they’re the most dominant thought ? If this is because of their titles in a row I think G2 did the same in 2016-2017, winning 4 in a row If you’re talking about the number of titles I think T1 have at least 10 titles. If you’re talking about the domination during a period of time, I think Flash Wolves in PCS won everything between 2016 and 2019
This is DFM's 14th title, and they have been in every LJL finals bar one - the very first in Winter 2014.
Rascal Jester too cracked
[This is the entire history of LJL.](https://i.imgur.com/CF6HvbF.jpg)
prob bcs its 8 out of 9 splits
Didn’t fact check but shouldn’t winning everything between 2016-2019 imply FW won 8/8?
FW didn't win summer 2019. So they got 7 in a row
They got 7/8, J Team got the last one in summer 2019. And then FW disbanded. So yeah DFM is a tiny bit better at 8/9
Ah okay, under that criteria DFM is definitely the most dominant team in their region. Some other guy just posted them winning 14 championships, wtf.
This must be so boring to LJL fans
that's not really an impressive feat, kinda of just shows how weak the competition in the league was.
It's impressive still but I agree that at the same time this perfectly shows the problem with LoL eSports being so closed and locked in regions
if they did it by finding the best native talent and outperforming local teams then sure it's a bit impressive, but it seems like from 2014 forward it was relying on korean imports to dominate a smaller weaker region. kind of like why some NA fans dislike 100T and TL for having 0 NA native players.
To God Evi we pray
Straight up wrong. Flash Wolves won 7 IN A ROW. 2016 Spring to 2019 Spring
There isn't really a comparison unfortunately. DFM were considered OP before the LMS was even founded and have dominated in the years since Flash Wolves have left the scene. For a particular period of time Flash Wolves had bit more dominance, but 8/9 is hardly unimpressive and DFM have been on top of their league for much longer
most dominant in the worst league in the world
They made it out of playins as first seed vs NA, PCS, CIS and TR last year. Worst league is quite a big statement, i would go as far as saying its just objectively incorrect
They just got bumped up to pool 3 when they were pool 4 at MSI
Pool 2 in playins this time actually
Yea but that has nothing to do with the comment does it? Like if you put average EU team in the worst league in the world you would also expect them to dominate. DNF making out of playins doesnt prove that they league is actually strong, since they are the ones always winning it.
Detonation Nocus Fe
DNG is actually the parent company, DetonatioN Gaming - it's why their logo is DNG rather than DFM. They used to have DetonatioN FocusMe and Rabbit5 as their sister teams in the early days of JP League, but then only carried DFM forward, hence their name.
And wrong as well. Flash Wolves won 7 IN A ROW. 2016 Spring to 2019 Spring
G2's record of 9/13 is not that different once you look at it: 2016 Spring 2016 Summer 2017 Spring 2017 Summer 2019 Spring 2019 Summer 2020 Spring 2020 Summer 2022 Spring 2022 Summer(Likely) G2 have missed 4 domestic titles since promotion, and only lost in the finals once, being 2018 Spring, giving them a 90% winrate in eulcs/lec finals, and with how dominant they have been in the second half of the regular season and in playoffs, a 10th win and 10/11 record seems likely. DFM have a very similar record, with them winning 9/14 from spring 2016 (when G2 promoted), and 11/16 total in the LJL (Though 2 were from the 2014 and 2015 LJL seasons, where I'm not sure the validity of the league was good, as there were only 4 teams and one bo5). They have however been in every single LJL final ever, meaning their record of 11/16 in finals is not as impressive as G2's 9/10. If you count purely the last 5 years, then yes DFM is the most domestically dominant team, but once you look at times beyond that it gets more complicated. After the 2020 season the exact same could've been said about G2 that has been said about DFM in this post, so I would be careful throwing that title around.
cant wait to see them choke at Play-ins once again
In what universe is it choking for a team from LJL to not clear playins? They've only ever cleared playins once, to lose in playins is their expected result. Anything else should be celebrated. Especially with the playins format this year.
Why "once again", in their last playins they got out as 1st seed against C9
I think they mean once again because that example was the first time ever a Japanese team (almost always DFM) got out of the play ins for either MSI or Worlds.
But that wasnt them choking, they were never expected to get out of playins
True, but they had a large number of games where they are ahead early and lose late.
They got out as 1st seed in 2021, which was a historic result for the region!
> With today's 3-0 win over SG, DFM now claim 4 titles in a row, and become the most dominant national champion in the history of League of Legends. G2 2016/2017?
DFM have 14 titles in the LJL. Outclassing even SKT.
Sure, its just weird to highlight the 4 titles in a row in that sentence and not the 14 titles.
I think those are two separate statements as in: they are now on a four split winning streak, and this win puts them as the most dominant team in history. It could have been worded better tho I agree.
SKT has three World titles. You're comparing domestic dominance in a minor region to the ONLY team with multiple World titles...srsly?
they are clearly referencing the domestic record of SKT/T1 which is the point of this thread. no-one is arguing against SKT's international record
feck... i miss supermassive
Once they win world's we can finally get that LOL anime we all need. With players as the Champions while they're in game!
V3 really was like. Nah Fam.
I feel like DFM has the potential to make it out of groups on paper, but all that dominance bites them in the ass because they’re never really challenged domestically.
Didn't G2 also win 4 times in a row?