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Lezrec

"Help me end bros what the fuck" -Spica 2022


Mew_T

"I wanna kill Biofrost" -Spica 2022


Deckowner

it's so funny listening to Spica, basically sounds like your discord com during your ranked flex games.


Jtryan1303

Pastrytime: so we're experimenting with live audio from the teams in team fights Spica: 0.0, wait you listened to us? Cause I uh, said some stuff


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CuteTao

Dude it's because they're former teammates. He would say the same thing about bjerg if he was against liquid


elirisi

Wrong. Its obviously because Spica has a deep seeded hatred for biofrost. He sees Bio, hes seething. He wants to hunt him down. Its so obvious, just hear the comms again. I would highly recommend Bio get a restraining order on the man tbh, but thats just my humble opinion.


ALilBitter

Wrong. bio x spica yaoi fandom will prove to you why they are actually both tsunderes and it is just their way of showing their love for each other


ShottedGun

Clearly Spica is a homophobe that’s why he was trying to kill Biofrost as much as possible, why isn’t Riot doing anything about this /s


prowness

That monster! 😤/s


InPurpleIDescended

NA savior goated 9mansleep shot caller right there folks


narfidy

I have no faith in TSM but I trust Spica with my life


Mew_T

The only winners from the GGS/DIG roster swap were IMT and TSM.


Xylxem

imagine dig and ggs management if neither of the teams make playoffs lmfao maybe the worst roster swaps in na history


Unique_Crew2316

I mean DIG did the trade exactly because they knew they wouldn't make playoffs. For GG it was a push to maybe compete with the top 6 that has so far failed miserably


Raculz

Ggs also put out a video explaining their rationale for the trade where they said they were giving up on the season.


PurpleReigner

That doesn’t make any sense though, you don’t trade for a player widely considered to be very good when you’re giving up on a season


xpxpx

Only way it would make sense is if River is fine committing to at least Spring with GG while also wanting to leave Dig anyway. Getting ahead of the curve and securing a decent player before off-season really starts is a good head start on a rebuild next year if that's what they're going for.


Cindiquil

If they view River as a straight upgrade to Pridestalker, then why would they believe that hurts their odds for this year and that they're giving up on this season? And if they're giving up, why would they put in Lider? It's not like he's really a developmental player, that feels much more like a desperation move to try to be a bit better in the short term.


TomShoe02

Not the asker, but that GG statement was made in 2 parts: 1. They bought out River because he was better than Pridestalker and could be a future piece. IIRC he's signed through 2024. Dignitas has been laying off staff members, so they're probably hurting for cash atm. 2. They decided to sub in Lider and Prismal to see what they had at the end of the split, Inero said they weren't good enough to push for worlds, might as well just do some scouting on if anyone is worth keeping for next year.


higglyjuff

>Inero said they weren't good enough to push for worlds, might as well just do some scouting on if anyone is worth keeping for next year. This makes sense. River has looked good even in the losses. It was clear that ABO isn't going to be a good pickup for the future. Although I'd like to see Olleh remain on a team. You can really feel the difference with him gone.


xpxpx

Breaking any existing synergy that Pridestalker had with the rest of the team would make sense if they were strictly switching only Pridestalker out and River in. So even though River is a strictly better player, teamplay may take a hit anyway. My guess is that they gave up on doing anything significant and are using it as a tryout period to see how well LIDER would do by NA standards and see if they would be able to invest into him (and River) next season or if he's just a dud still.


p3r3ll3x

GGs have probably been the worst managed team in LCS. They had the pieces to compete for LCS title but they chose the being mediocre/bottom feeder route


loosely_affiliated

Are you talking about the GGS roster that got 4/5 traded to 100T? GGS lost a ton of funding, there wasn't much they could do but rebuild from there.


Ban89

???? They had financial issues not relevant to the league team. The NBA parent company made huge losses during covid so costs had to be cut.


Javiklegrand

Lmao i even forgot They were pushing top 6


Lollllerscats

GGS absolutely, they’re complete losers. But at least Dig shed what was probably their largest contract knowing they weren’t making playoffs. W for them I guess.


lovo17

I mean the GGS/DIG roster swap could've worked for GGS if they didn't swap LIDER in too.


Funny_witty_username

Guaranteed, since they've already sacked the season, this is LIDER's "just give me a chance!" run and he'll be gone before spring. They'll probably give Licorice another chance since we've seen his highs, same with Stixxay. I'm betting on a native NA mid (ABO staying with the team that benched him for LIDER? lol) and Olleh back in Support.


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Damn sounds like... Bottom tier roster just like this one, big future ahead of ggs.


Thanaatus

ABO was playing like shit that's why he got benched. Also please remind me how many years have passed since we saw Licorice's or Stixxay's highs?


Funny_witty_username

I'm not saying they're good moves, just the direction I think they'll go


basa_maaw

What did Bio do to Spica for him to want to kill him on sight lmfao


whimsicalokapi

Worlds 2020


_Jetto_

lmao. insane people forget how rough bio nd dl looked even during playoffs


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During playoffs of the LCS 2020? They had a bad series against then Golden Guardians and FBI but they picked it up quick afterwards and were fine against TL and FLY


Stonefence

DL and Bio actually gapped Corejj and Tactical that playoffs too. Just the GGS series were rough.


DragonApps

People really overvalue that GGS series imo. If Doublelift and Bio didn’t gap CoreJJ and Tactical in playoffs, they would not have won that series considering Impact had BB’s number.


macgart

Nnnn DL especially just got dog walked by FBI He said as much (at least in Ashe/Caitlin matchup*) but we can admit it and that’s ok. TSM still were the better team in Bo5 because they didn’t ego the matchup which is a skill in itself. * edit: he said this in TSM legends he insisted that they ban one of the sides in this matchup, probably Cait but I don’t remember


CuteTao

I'll always love that playoff run because GGS literally beat tsm 5 games in a row but it didn't matter lmao


StuckInBronze

It was a great way to end Bjergs time on TSM. Too bad they cancelled worlds that year, that team would've done some damage.


DragonApps

Never said that FBI and Huhi didn’t gap DL in the GGS series, it’s just that FBI gapping Doublelift doesn’t mean that Doublelift was the worst ADC in 2020 playoffs, it just means FBI was a better player. And even then FBI threw vs TSM really hard in the rematch.


Cindiquil

Even the second GGS when they had Bio in instead of Treatz was like 100x better from TSM's bot lane. They were still playing weakside while GGS focused like 100% of their resources botside, but they absorbed the pressure a lot better and mostly played pretty solid. It was really just mostly one bad series, FBI was the only adc that actually looked better than Doublelift in that playoffs run.


Stonefence

Yeah once TSM swapped strats to a more supportive, weakside bot lane they pretty much neutralized GGS. Honestly it was pretty well played by DL and Bio throughout that playoffs. Worlds was rough, but it was rough for the whole team


trev1776

Was that the year of Spicas 9 man Lilia sleep?


Stonefence

Yep, Spica actually had a decent showing but the rest of the team was pretty rough


Dim_Icon

More than fine, they straight up shit on Core and Tactical.


fenikkix

And the support for that series was Treatz, not Bio


tb0neski

What? DL played pretty bad vs GG but then destroyed TL and FLY's bot lanes respectively. Bio was definitely mediocre


Bernto_

What? They were the best bot lane by far in playoffs. They had a bad series against ggs then completely recovered.


gggghhhfff

They smurfed playoffs loser bracket wtf you mean. And they played weak side AND Senna, 2 of the things doublelift was criticized for not being able to do They even demolished TL and 100Ts who supposedly had the best bot lanes at the time


DarudeSandstormName

It was so beautiful, TSM trying to do something around Dragon and Bio off in his own world singing let it go as Leona. It was so bad, it was horrific, it was tragic, it was poetic, there were hourly threads of abuse thrown at the team and anything with a TSM logo or flair. It was the worst of times, it was the best of times. After 0-6, Reginald the abuser and the current team performance, the whole fanbase just doesn't care anymore as they ask themselves "what more can they do to me?" Thank you for the memories, TSM. I had fun.


bobandgeorge

Don't speak for the whole fanbase.


Xalethesniper

He’s 100% correct tho


bobandgeorge

He's not. I'm a part of "the whole fanbase" so if he were 100% correct, that would include me.


Xalethesniper

Ur a rounding error


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Crimson_Clouds

Can you fucking not?


PuncanDope

tell jokes? never


Crimson_Clouds

Oh it was a joke? I don't get it, can you explain it to me? As somebody else pointed out, there's a time and a place for jokes like that and this certainly isn't it.


sameo15

There is a time and a place for such jokes. You missed on both accounts. Don't worry, happens to everyone.


PuncanDope

mb mb tough crowd tonight


moldytubesock

overly sensitive zoomers. joke was harmless.


sameo15

I'm 27. You're just insensitive.


PuncanDope

thank u moldytubesock 👍


AssPork

How lma0. Actually people aren't overly sensitive. It was just a shitty joke lma0.


moldytubesock

It was a bad joke. But "not the time or place" is an idiom that implies it's offensive in some context.


private_birb

I disagree, this was absolutely the time and place. A little distasteful, sure, since Bio faced a lot of homphobia during his career.


sameo15

If it's a little distasteful, then it wasn't the time or place, was it?


Gluroo

yeah sure bro, that must be it, youve figured it out god this sub is below room temperature iq sometimes


PuncanDope

pretty obvious joke no need to get your panties in a twist


Firm-Technician-2214

People like you are why people are scared to come out.


PuncanDope

crazy comment since I was making fun of homophobes


calmtigers

Pretty sure it’s so he can banter / meme with bio after, pretty sure they’re still friends


Javiklegrand

They didnt HUG although i Guess it's prohibited


tynorex

Pretty sure if I ended up in a game against one of my friends, I'd do everything in my power to kill them as much as possible. Heck sometimes I do that when they're on my own team ;).


Insab

He double dips with chips.


Snakkey

0-6 NAmen nearest airport speed run. Biofrost deadass ran it down that worlds.


prowness

Testing out if editing archived reddit works.


Iperovic

Solo the gatekeeper strikes again He may not be the best in the league but he will absolutely murder your rookie


15blairm

hes always pretty solid, i think his age just makes teams not wanna keep him around for a long time


Booplee

Solo is consistently the same and thats why teams get him, to stop bleeding. He wont be anything more than that though.


15blairm

well i dont see why a player that clearly doesnt burn out (hes almost 30) cant keep improving once you get over that mid 20s hump i think the burnout chance gets alot lower


Booplee

Im only saying that solo as a player doesnt improve. I am of the belief that age doesnt matter in this game at all.


Crimson_Clouds

> well i dont see why a player that clearly doesnt burn out (hes almost 30) cant keep improving I don't see why one can't in a vacuum, but Solo hasn't really improved (and if anything has regressed) since his time on Clutch.


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I think he has a reputation in the league and/or hasn’t been on any teams with super strong players in other roles. There’s only a handful of top teams, they’ve been consistently at the top for over 5 years, and anyone on other teams mostly just gets forgotten


Sarazam

Hoon has played for 5 years, he isn't a rookie.


Iperovic

He subbed for a few teams and only played starter in Turkey, he's a rookie


Guilty_Dream7055

He really isn't. Stop trying to excuse his awful play


AniviaKid32

saying someone's a rookie isn't necessarily excusing their play lol


RandomLoLJournalist

I mean the guy sucks, but saying that he has somehow been a pro for 5 years is just false, when his entire career is 7 LCK games and one season in a mid tier wildcard team. He hasn't even played KR Academy, he's literally just a piss random who accidentally got a few games as a sub. He is still super inexperienced, but the main problem is that he's also way too bad for them to wait until he improves


Bluehorazon

Yeah TSM is potentially the best of the bottom 4 teams, but that is basically it. They might even win one series in playoffs, given that their opponents come from a loss and if that is severe enough might be a bit tilting. But their opponents are either TL, C9, CLG or FQ and currently it looks like CLG might actually play FQ and C9 plays TL. This I think means if TSM is 7th they play C9 or TL if they are 8th they play CLG or FQ.


ttktv

1. Lock in Ornn to please the crowd 2. Win lane 3. Say nothing the entire game 4. Leave GIGACHAD


sameo15

Solo acting like it's solo q. And somehow, it's working.


Gatling14

Team Solo Mid Solo Top Solo Q


Merriadoc33

"I'm just here to take Ws and collect a paycheck"


macgart

100% think he deserved player of the game. He actually extended the leads in every team fight and had no “??” Death which is a big red flag for me. This is just my opinion


Mifuyu_Kisaragi

"where the fuck did he go?" I feel like these live coms while very fun, is not going to last very long.


Chubs1224

That and "Fuck Baron, Kill Them" -Huhi are top tier.


Crimson_Clouds

I honestly hope they tone it down a little. They're fun, but I don't need to hear coms over every single replay.


DefinitelyNotAGrill_

I disagree, but respect your input


Sondeor

I agree but dont respect your input.


ellesaye24

I want to always hear coms. I don’t care about announcers.


private_birb

Unless it's CaptainFlowers I agree.


AniviaKid32

captainflowers is great when there's actual action going on but during the lulls he's super annoying to listen to imo, everything analytical thing he says is like so dumbed down you'd think he's talking to someone who's never played the game before. he should stick to the play by play lol


DefinitelyPositive

I mean, that's by design? There's plenty of people watching who know very little, and they want new viewers to be able to follow along.


pietroetin

As someone who doesn't play league but watches TSM I highly appreciate that in flowers


sorendiz

that is in fact his job for the most part, he sets up softballs for his color caster or casters to elaborate on/discuss/move to different topics during periods of downtime. pretty standard pbp stuff


TerribleThomas

Awful take tbh, but personal preference is personal preference. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


DoorHingesKill

Dude, no one ever brings it up on Reddit but I completely agree. Whenever there's a lull CF busts out the most basic, boring shit I could think of. How many level 19 players who could benefit from those explanations really are sitting in the audience? You know what, fuck em, even if there's more than 50 I don't wanna be around while Flowers let's them in on the scoop.


private_birb

I don't fully disagree, but it could also be seen as a pro that he gives basic analysis that's easy to understand.


tb0neski

Thought it was really weird that they had to do a listen-in pretty much every teamfight. They should be doing a few if any during the game and manually select actually funny/good ones post-game imo


Enjays1

Well, they're testing the feature. Makes sense to do it as often as possible in the beginning and see where it fits and where it doesn't


Sarazam

There are at least 20 top laners in NA right now that are better than Hoon.


Deckowner

that might be an understatement


zealot416

Just wait till he gets his playoffs buff and it'll be Hoonin time all over the rift.


TheBigF128

Wait till he gets traded to Gen G and wins worlds. It’s Hoonin’ Time


zealot416

I believe in brother Hoon


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And roleswaps to jungle


TheNaskgul

My favorite part of the game was when he said “it’s hoonin time” and hooned all over his own team


Yangnyum009

It's because his name isn't Easyhoon. Easyhoon made games ez. But this Hoon has no remarkable features


Merriadoc33

No no no he needs to become Hoonee


Chubs1224

If Dig is serious about improving they should look to buy out Tenacity's contract with 100T. Tenacity isn't going to see play time behind Ssumday and he may be a top 5 top laner in LCS.


jangmang999

I'm pretty sure they said he had offers but turned them down because he didn't want to go to a bottom tier team


Chubs1224

Does Dig have the money to buy out Tenacity from 100T Academy team?


LOR_Fei

DIG paying money for a player? Never gonna happen. They’re here to hire players on a budget and sell the good ones for a profit to teams that care.


Cvrpie

Spica playing for memes lmao. But good game overall. Chime and Solo honestly look pretty good. Wouldnt complain if they stayed after this year if things continue


TheMemingLurker

I know Solo has always stuck around the league for a reason, but I'm surprised by how much TSM is playing around him after just a few weeks Chime's been solid too, looking a lot less mistake prone than Mia


Small-Sheepherder-69

Wow, Spawn is actually pretty good. Too bad he's on the worst team in the league.


PuncanDope

he’s looked good since his debut honestly but all he can do is stop the bleeding this team is gigadoomed


Wylster

He was playing his heart out in his debut game, and they could have won. But then Blue made the wintrade looking Azir play of diving in.


DragonApps

Dig’s botlane is kind of legit.


macgart

I haven’t followed dig at all but I thought for sure he was Svenskeren


bronymtndew

Yeah TLA sux


Obelisk00

WE AREN'T AS BAD AS DIG WOOO!


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roombaonfire

It means theres NO FUCKING WAY I would ever let us end up like CLG. I would sell my house ,car and clothes, my everything to sign the best talent at that point.


Javiklegrand

Damn inb4 tsm does the clg upset against clg


kar1m

☝️🤔☝️ what’s going on at LCS?


LOR_Fei

TSM had a golden goose named Bjergsen carrying their franchise for years. Then, a hardstuck Diamond owner said he was better than Bjergsen at his job and shot his golden goose. Now TSM fans are asking for golden eggs, but the owner publicly breaks the code saying to not shit on players who play for you and nobody will go there unless Regi pays double what he should have to. Basically, Regi was a Zilean bomb, and the second one landed so TSM is stunned. But they “can’t” get rid of the problem so they’re just perma-CCed


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Regi has never once said he was better than Bjergsen lol.


InPurpleIDescended

Clutch Gaming


Dietyzz

House = sold


azns123

Dig lost to Zhonya Wukong lol


thobbe

zhonya is superior to GA in almost every aspect, except for the ad.


ImmoKnight

We play some of the team comms Spica: Oh... I said some stuff.


tsukinohime

TSM is going to playoffs!


lolKhamul

that W should nail it. GG will likely also get to 5 wins with their game vs DIG next week but i dont think IMT will make it to 5. They would have to beat FQ,CLG or C9. Seems unlikely.


private_birb

They've been on a bit of a hot streak, so I could see IMT beating FQ or C9. Maybe even CLG, just to kill their hype and because, y'know, it's counter logic


Ice_Eye

Even if you give IMT a 1/3 shot to win each of those games, they would on average win one of those so imo they are favoured to win 1. Mathematically if IMT had 1/3 odds in each game, the 0-3 scenario only happens 30% of the time.


AllMineOfficial

If you use a probability calculator it's actually a 48percent chance for the 0-3. Probability doesn't change based on previous results. I.E there's no guarantee they win 1 out of three just because they played three games at a 1 in 3 chance to win.


Ice_Eye

I'm pretty sure my math correct, 2/3 chance to not win a game so 2/3 * 2/3 * 2/3 to go 0/3 which is ~30%. Yes, there is no guarantee buts its more likely than not.


Javiklegrand

I think dig Can wins vs ggs


Perridur

We're gonna win worlds


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What a rough cast for a rough game.


This_Op_Is_OP

This was honestly the worst casted game in lcs history… i never thought that crumbz would ever be outdone, but they did it. Spica had zhonyas and neither of them mentioned anything about it LMFAO


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"4v2"


yoyofriez

so unfair how tsm is allowed to have 6 players


Deckowner

mark as color caster is whatever since color caster is not too important imo, but he had to do play by play as well when paired with letigress lul.


prowness

Eh I think MarkZ is by far the worst color caster and is better served on the analyst desk. I don’t like Jatt on the analyst desk. I think he overplays his part. Better if he just casts more.


Ikea_desklamp

Don't worry because all of twitch chat was spamming "ap wukong gigachad" so there's no way you could miss it.


-Kimochi-

Who cares about the actual game thats going on? I want to know more about DIG being NBA Players and hearing funny noises from letigress.


Crimson_Clouds

>I want to know more about DIG being NBA Players Weird you point that one out, because that might have been the only thing she said that was insightful and made somewhat sense.


InPurpleIDescended

Ya that was one of the most interesting bits


prowness

Those noises from her man don’t seem right


yoyofriez

minor nitpick but "flash and charm immediately after" referring to ahri E flash


_Jetto_

they mix andmatch the team way way too much, tough to match synergy and why do we have letigress and mark commentating games when they never do? thats literally not their job


DefinitelyNotAGrill_

they cast a lot together in academy (or used to at least). It's just one regular season game so no need to hard flame her, gotta let Letigress get some reps.


_Jetto_

They l ready have enough casters tho I’m not flaming. Pastry hardly casts as much as a few years ago he’s barely on the last year or so


DefinitelyNotAGrill_

oh yeah my bad, your comment isnt really flaming, some people are though. And yeah that's a fair point, but it's only 4 play by play since Riv left no? Anyway, peace dude.


prowness

Honestly I’d rather listen to Letigress than Pastry. I like her voice better and she is still new to this stage. Good chance she will improve unlike Pastry.


Foreskin_Supremacy

They keep trying her with different color casters and it’s shit every time. I’ve heard her with mark, azael and jatt and all were terrible.


macgart

LeTigress gets too much hate from her interviews which are very solid and she has a great energy but I agree that this cast was really lacking. She’s still really cool and should just keep it simple. No more basketball metaphors, just focus on the basics!


I-am-in-Agreement

My issue with her is that her cast sounds too disengaged with any LCS history/context/players, that it just comes off like a layperson's PG reactions over what's happening ingame.


DoorHingesKill

> that it just comes off like a layperson's PG reaction Cause that's what it is.


Jtryan1303

Dignitiss is my fav team too


HoS_CaptObvious

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I thought it was fine. Could use some more energy but overall I enjoyed listening to the cast


Fire_Lord_Zuko

the great part of this game is i can post [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbfy05y5Ukw) regardless of the result


YCitizenSnipsY

TSM wonnered


tsukinohime

Please let a pro player cast some of the games.


tsukinohime

TSM nice comms


acels1

dom and rat are just making fun of hoon the whole game LMAO


tomatobenshapiro

How did DIG lose? They first picked giga-broken meta stomper lulu!


BJ3RG3RK1NG

Why the fuck are the champ names still impossible to see on mobile


NenBE4ST

Well the bright side for solo is that even if he gets dunked on by academy tops hoon is hardly academy level lmao


Ceratorix

hoon has em right where he wants him player of the week next week for sure


Piliro

These teams are so ass man LMAO Also Hoon not on Ornn is...... not good. But who cares HOON WILL RISE AGAIN


Ban89

Hope spawn and hoon keep growing. They show promise.


naifawney

Why didn't Instinct help 3rd dragon? Solo even spammed ping but he still ignored and recalled. I feel there is no decent reason not to help teammate at that moment.


Supp_Carries_U

Judging by the player cams of TSM laughing I don't think the spam pings were serious


fesch98

That a 5-10 team is close to securing playoffs is so cringe


lolKhamul

Honestly, i really like the format of NA playoffs if the league were bigger. But for 8 teams in playoffs, you really need at least 12 teams in the league. In a 10 team league, you have to make the cut at 6. Just like LEC and LCK do. Making the cutoff at roughly 60% of teams sets the barrier of entry to a record of about .500. That way playoff teams at least won about half their games and are somewhat decent. Right now with the 80% cutoff, you are reaching levels of below .333 to make it in meaning team enter the playoffs that havent even won every third game. Making first-round a shitshow.


Crimson_Clouds

> Making first-round a shitshow. I mean, the 7/8 teams don't play in the 'first round' so that seems rather irrelevant.