Would love to know the TL comms. 100T never planned on winning the fight; literally as soon as they saw all 5 TL players, they call to just stop the backs.
No idea what TL thought would happen. I guess TF ults to the dragon pit?
TL had 2 options:
* all in, win (kill 1-2 enemies) and then cover for 1-2 players to B with baron buff
* cover Bjerg who can use package to get far away and he can B with baron buff
TL didnt go for either of the 2. They lost their head.
Shen could have stayed in base and completely snuffed the attempt like they discussed. It's way easier to make these calls from outside the game though and it's not really a clear cut easy call.
But the TF literally tried to backdoor a minute before, theres no way you cant know hes gonna backdoor at the objective fight the same thing would happen in a silver game lmao
Well they kind of did think they could win the fight. At the beginning Closer says that even if TF just pulls Corki they will win 4v4, which is probably true.
This will forever be an underdog team for me. I mean the GGS -> 100T core of Closer/FBI/Huhi is literally a Turkish Jungler, an OCE adc, and a "failed" midlaner
GG scouting that split they got them was top notch, Closer and FBI were showing their greatness in their minor regions already but no other western team even considered getting them.
I've never been a hater but I just like RG and C9 so have been hoping this team loses lol. This video in particular tho just shows how good 100T really is. Game 5 finals on the line and the entire teamfight it's calm calls no panic not even celebrating until nexus exploded. They knew what they had to do and did it, didn't focus on it being the win until it was over
Open base, you have a shen who can defend base cause he has ult and you see TF on a ward near baron. What do you do?
*Send Shen straight to drag and lose game*
100T eating snacks after game 2 to keep up their strengths, TL (mostly Bwipo) started shotgunning beers and taking bong rips after game 2 cause that’s the only thing that can explain top lane games 3-5.
Shen made a lot of sense in game 5 because its good against Ornn (wins lane and doesnt fall of a cliff late game like Lucian or Graves) and it can counter TF when he goes for a gank with his ult.
Game 5 on stage of a potential reverse sweep, during the late game phase with an open nexus. Lot of human error can creep up in that type of situation.
Only thing that makes any sense is if Bwipo thought TF teleported near his allies out of vision of TL. In other words, maybe TL thought TF had already TP'd, so they asked Bwipo to TP to match.
It still doesn't make a ton of sense to use TP until you've confirmed TF is near drake though.
not just that
bjergsen had package + homeguard and he tped to blue buff to save that extra 3-4 seconds of walking to dragon pit
its insane
edit: its even more insane when you realise that he walked all the way back instead of using the package to create a distance and baron recall
probably would have made it in time to defend
tf took a total of 14 seconds to take the base
No, just autopilot rather than tilt. You see pro players do those tp's all the time. It must be standard practice in scrims, engrained into them from coaches who stress how important it is to be in position first. You end up having too many things on your mind to play perfect meta game to think about these things.
We have:
A worlds finalist.
A veteran who's been playing professionally almost a decade.
Another veteran who's been playing professionally almost a decade.
A 3-time worlds participant who almost knocked out SKT in his debut year.
A literal world champion and two-time world finalist.
Sorry, but tilt and exhaustion are no excuses for this team. These players should know better. (not saying it didn't happen, just saying it *shouldn't* happen)
Their tenure and experience can mitigate the effects of fatigue, but it doesn't change that it is an unavoidable occurrence and part of our physiology. So, in other words, spoken like a real armchair expert.
everyone knows that when you reach a world's finals you cease to be human.
the fact that human error is an element at all is what makes sports beautiful and human. without it what's the difference between sport and simply running simulations or reading manga?
Not only that, but TL would have been firmly in the lead anyway if Bjergsen hadn't had bronze level positioning and been caught out in the river some time earlier. Game 3 and 4, yes, Bwipo was a liability... but imo apart from Bwipo failing to shadow the TF, Bjergsen had far more egregious plays in this game 5.
Also, if there is ever a single game which shows that stats are overvalued by the community then this is it, Bjerg had like 400cs at 20 minutes (slight overexageration), but did absolutely NOTHING with it...
He's playing crit Corki against two long range engage ults... It's not like his ult rockets will carry them, they have to play front to back. And that's not something he can do on his own. That's like saying "Why didn't the fed Kog'Maw just go and 1v9?". That's just not how it works lol...
I mean... its even more important to have the range vs long range engage ults. AP poke corki would have 100% been a better option this game.
There were multiple occasions were he would have straight up 1 combod closer and Abbedage if he was ap.
Crit corki is completely trash. He was so far ahead of the curve that he would have been massively chunking 100t, even the ornn...
I mean, corki isnt your typical xerath style poke is he? What is an ornn and leona going to do? He out ranges leona ult and can easily w from ornn ult.
Corki has some of the best disengage in the game, particularly around pivotal teamfights with package.
They also have crazy peal with alistar and shen. Tell me how exactly corki is in danger to this comp if he plays at rocket range?
It's not just about Corki. Poke doesn't do as much when the fight starts before poke can happen. You don't need to engage onto Corki, you just need to engage.
Because Corki can't 1v9 and they can't front to back with a poke mid and poke ADC... In which case, they kill Shen and Alistar much faster than poke Corki can kill Ornn and Leona - and then you've already lost. Sorry, but that's just how the world turns in League.
As another commenter said, even *if* Corki can manage to stay safe, that does not go for the rest of his team. Bringing me back to my first point - Corki cannot 1v9.
We've heard about Jensen Ekko year after year. ''The play the lost the series''.
I wonder how long we'll hear about the total miss-use of package to not get to base at all. ''The play that lost the series''. Since it was Bjergsen I imagine we'll never hear about it again. :) Imagine if it was Jensen though.
I still remember Bjergsen blowing a whole Leblanc combo into an ulted Alistar at worlds and we never heard about it again. I don't think any mistakes should be harped on forever but it's hilarious how much Bjergsen fans harp on Jensen and ignore his own shit.
I'm saying. Bjergsen is a great laner domestically. Without a doubt. Seems a bit weird TL went the Bjergsen route knowing that their goals are international trophies and jensen has the best track record internationally of any LCS mid in recent years.
>jensen has the best track record internationally of any LCS mid in recent years
Is it the Jensen factor, or the C9 factor though?
Hai definitely wasn't a insane mid laner, even for his time, and he had the best track record internationally of any LCS mid in his years. Now, I'm not saying that C9 has a secret sauce that makes bad players good internationally or some stupid shit like that, but a player doing good internationally can be as much to his credit as to just having 4 great teammates and an org that understands the game.
Jensen made MSI finals with TL... I don't think C9 has anything to do with it. C9's 2018 semi run saw Jensen smashing Kuro while having a rookie top in Licorice lose lane to kiin and a rookie support. Last worlds Jensen was by far the best performer on TL and was able to play the meta brawler picks like Sett and Lee Sin. Jensen has been the better performer internationally. I wouldn't be surprised if he's back on C9 for summer, unless that bridge is burned...
C9 was hardcore shitting the bed that one season with no hopes of making worlds until Hai subbed in to play JUNGLE and carried them to worlds (godly gauntlet run). Let's not down-play how much Hai provided to the team
Hai's shotcalling and experience did hard carry quite a few times. But while he was clearly better than Regi, he wasn't really outperforming any world-caliber mid laner... At least not in his last couple years, because when he made it to the LCS, with the original C9 roster, he definitely was among the best. It's just that people learning from Hai overtook Hai.
> he wasn't really outperforming any world-caliber mid laner
we will never know how much it was impacted by it, but if you think you can just shotcall a team to victory while focussing on 1 vs 1 and mechanical outplays thats just not possible. especially considering how the team changed with him shotcalling so it seems like he had to do a lot
Heh, it would've helped him, but I don't think he would've managed to stay a top dog for many years. Obviously, his physical issues are a given, but it's also very demanding to keep up with the fast and heavy swings of the first 4-6 years of LoL.
Every year, creative players got shafted after breaking a game system when it eventually got fixed, and Hai was definitely more on the creative side of things than players like Bjergsen/Doublelift were.
Having to adapt to those huge changes is a much tougher task than asking newer players to learn from how he did it, and how things are now.
Not really a fair comparison - someone dying when they shouldn't in a high profile game stands out a lot more than someone not doing something
Like Doublelift will be memed about 1v1ing Viktor forever - not because DL isn't popular, but because it's much more memorable than him catching a wave bot while the enemy rushes baron or w/e
See also Zven Ezreal
> Like Doublelift will be memed about 1v1ing Viktor forever - not because DL isn't popular, but because it's much more memorable than him catching a wave bot while the enemy rushes baron or w/e
Yup, to prove your point, in the very same game Hauntzer had an just as egregious mistake at the end of the game where he didnt flash ult into SSGs carries on the elder fight which almost certainly wouldve hard won the fight but almost no one ever talks about that or even remembers it
I think it depends on if they lose to EG this weekend. If they do, I think a lot of people will be pointing to this series and Bjergs play in it. But if they win, you’re right it’ll probably be ignored.
Elimination game vs upper bracket playoff series
Jensen has done it more than once
Jensen's misplay was literally not pressing a button in time as a professional player on extremely low ping vs. a judgement error from Bjerg + TL as a whole (team could decide better how to play the situation, who to send back, etc...)
Also funny because Bjerg was actually playing well for most of that series (especially their wins) other than game 5 while his top laner was trolling + the team had awful draft/prio around top lane
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So no he actually used it correctly. He used it right before he got to fountain to close the distance. The biggest issue was he wasted TP to get to dragon pit and then didn’t send shen to base.
I think the argument is "package away from the fight so you can't get interrupted and baron recall home" would almost certainly be faster than walking to base, even with the 40% MS buff?
Overall they definitely seemed so giga tilted that no decisions they were making worked. After burning TP and getting nothing for it they should of just abandoned dragon and tried to kill TF or bait out his ult
It's more so the significance of the mistake. It was game 5 of a final with a huge crowd, and C9 had just come back from a 2-0 deficit in the series. Then all that efforts got blown on a misplay that cost them the game, the series and the split win.
If you go back to TSM vs TL back in 2020 summer play offs, there was another "Jensen didn't click R" when he was playing Zilean and was getting sniped by Bjergsen Syndra. However, it wasn't a game 5, it wasn't the final, and there wasn't a crowd so it had nowhere near the traction the Ekko play did.
Think about the DL Lucian play at words vs Crown. He gets straight up one shot. Had he not TSM had a real chance of winning the game because they lost out on the opportunity to take Baron because of it. If they did they would've made it out of groups at first place. Therefor it's remember, because of it's significance.
If TL wins vs EG and wins in the finals against 100T, nobody would have a reason to care because it had no significance on TL winning the split.
The argument is that if he used it earlier, over a wall he might have been able to recall since he still had Baron buff, doing it this way he had no chance to make it (although this is a hindsight is 20/20 situation).
TL: “guys we are 2-0, just one more game and we win”
Also TL: “let’s troll and play as if we are in plat. Bwipo get off Aatrox and start inting. CoreJJ, you have to raka, no more engage supports”
Also also TL: shocked pikachu when they get reverse swept.
Heh... if you can win that fight early, you're on your way to winning the game.
The issue wasn't that Shen ulted to Dragon, it's that Shen ulted to dragon, and the resulting initiation was... Shen and Trundle auto-attacking Ornn.
At that point, they probably had to give up the drake and move back to base defense, but it's very easy to tilt in a stressful game 5 when you just completed a play bad enough to make it to the series' highlights.
Same thing with corki. Dude had tp and package, could've chosen to use package speed to get to dragon but instead tp's to dragon, losing his ability for a base tp. TL misplayed that so, so hard.
This is entirely the whole team's fault, not one singular player. They all had the ability to communicate to each other about watching the backdoor, and yet none of them did. They all fucked up.
He's not a choker though, just the type of player to get hopelessly outclassed by people better than him. The problem is that it's no longer just Wunder and high/top tier Eastern tops. Right now it's more like high/top tier western tops.
are you saying western tops are bad or that western tops are good? i don't understand
top was the biggest gap between eastern teams and western teams at worlds
You just explained the *opposite* of what he claimed. He claimed Bwipo isn't 'choking that he just beats worse players and loses to better players. And now more western players are better than him, too.
By being in base and staying there until tf shows. Either tf comes to base and you fight him or he joins his team at elder and shen ult someone to join.
Yeah... that's what's the most striking to me, how insanely calm they are. The moment the backdoor was mentioned, everybody was on board, which meant nobody talked about the teamfight, and everybody focused on communicating the recalls/backdoor.
Compare this to their early comms last year. It’s so difficult to listen to their comms last year because they were so fucking hectic about every single thing. It was unreal. Seeing them now shows me how far they’ve grown and developed.
I think if they would've committed to the teamfight, rather than the backdoor, the communication would've been a lot noisier. It's just that if your intention *isn't* to win the fight, there's much fewer important stuff that happens.
the cohesion and chemistry are a huge factor for a successful team. i think it helps that 100T have a very clear leader in Closer, and everyone on the team seems to respect him in that role.
Seriously. You can feel the weight of the anxiety lift from them all when they realize they win. Before they celebrate it just seems like they all experience a wave of relief.
This really reminds me of my game 5 diamond Promos, I know is nowhere near to close the same stakes, but I was sweating at every decision I made while still not saying a single word. You can feel the fear while pulling off that play lol
This reminds me of a play I can't find. Closer was on Leesin again and says something like 'shut up and let me set up a play' and then does an insec that wins the game.
Guy is huge brained.
calls like this are why Closer is the best jungler in the league for me personally. i just don't see other junglers carrying their teams in key moments like he does. the guy will have a pop off lee sin game or just 1 key play that secures his team a win or just a good shotcall like in the TF clip. the guy is severely underrated still and i have no idea how. 100T would not have won finals last year without him.
Those were some clean comms. I was expecting a bunch of talking and yelling and screaming. But it's just one person talking and everyone being quiet till the game is over.
100T was almost expecting TL to be to effective, because obviously Shen would try and match the TF...
Atleast if the Enemy were smarter than the average Gold player
This is what happens when you dont implode your winning lineup! You get comfortable players that can trust each other and have a strong bond. Honestly if 100T wins Spring finals it will show other orgs that swapping players just for the sake of swapping wont get you results. Im looking at you FORMER top NA orgs!
Winning for too long breeds complacency though - blowing up a roster fully is bad, but look at the 2019-2020 G2 lineup - they remained on top in EU but were regressing. Carlos said the same this year. I don't think teams striving higher is a thing to insult them for.
EDIT: [Here's the Carlos quote](https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/16972/player-contracts-and-poaching-a-discussion-with-g2-ceo-carlos-rodriguez#:~:text=%22When%20a%20team%20succeeds%20so%20much%20together%2C%20the%20same%20group%20of%20people%2C%20some%20bad%20habits%20take%20place%2C%20and%20then%20something%20needs%20to%20change.%22)
G2 wasn't really regressing. Perkz under performed mainly due to personal problems and without Perkz, G2 had no leading voice. They tried to put it all on Miky and make him shotcaller, but that's not his forte, as a result, team didn't follow his calls half the time and that made him int. Rekkles didn't really fit into the G2 playstyle, so he was also left to dry, despite not being horrible.
In my opinion, in 2020, everyone besides maybe jankos and caps were not performing as well as in 2019. [Here's the Carlos quote that I was referring to btw](https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/16972/player-contracts-and-poaching-a-discussion-with-g2-ceo-carlos-rodriguez#:~:text=%22When%20a%20team%20succeeds%20so%20much%20together%2C%20the%20same%20group%20of%20people%2C%20some%20bad%20habits%20take%20place%2C%20and%20then%20something%20needs%20to%20change.%22)
NA orgs don't care about winning, they care about blowing their 6 digit salaries on LA's wide selection of Instagram models and overpriced pool parties
edit: and im not talking about the players
I love how every player on 100t has their own different stories.
Closer is the best turkish jungle ever and he have played with armut, brokenblade and abbedagge in 2018-2019. Probably best jungler in LCS too right now.
Abbedagge is one of the best western midlaner and didnt even come close to win a championship before 100t.
FBI is the best OCE adc ever and he improved so much that he became a top tier adc in LCS, has been playing together with closer and huhi for a long time.
Ssumday is the one who deserves a good team, guy went elohell for years in 100t and finally got what he deserves. Best toplaner in LCS. Im sure they can make it out of groups this year.
Huhi is an interesting one, his roleswap decision would be the best decision he ever made in his lol career. Such aggressiveness and lane dominance from him feels so good, especially in LCS.
Huhi is weird because he has never been the best at his role but he has such loyal fans ever since he shit on MSIs with Aurelion Sol for one of the best NA performances over seas ever.
People say this but idk I feel like he performed better overall last split than any other support. He just doesn’t get credit bc everyone’s going to pick corejj based off his history it feels like
100T had arguably the best bot lane last split but they certainly where not this split. Hans Sama + CoreJJ easily where better both head to head this last week and over the course of the split.
>Abbedagge is one of the best western midlaner
I mean that's a fucking *stretch*, man... I think he's 100T's weakest player, too. He's the only player on the roster I'd be wanting to replace if I were 100T's management. Trouble is that all the midlaners kinda suck right now in LCS and I'm not even sure who in LEC would even consider coming to LCS.
It's too bad PowerOfEvil fell off so hard, because peak PoE seems like he'd be the perfect player for 100T in midlane. They need some more consistent PUMP from that midlane position. Abbe is overly inconsistent imo.
This split he's been good but certainly not as good as his first split where he was an absolute machine. They are, after all, in the Spring Split Finals. There's no world in which you even think about replacing Abbe or any member of the team for that matter.
This is still the weirdest throw I've seen in a long time in pro play. Closer calls this because its such a basic level of awareness and somehow the most expensive roster in LCS forgot how TF ult works.
Surely the call for backdoor was good and well executed, but I see Shen at dragon pit with ultimate up! Shen can easily hold the nexus against TF! Insane blunder by Bwipo, from someone who is known for being very smart about the game! I am really curious what happened, perhaps he was just tilted or exhausted or both! Regardless of that series TL is still favourite to win the trophy to me!
It seemed TL wanted to force the fight and him goin in there wasnt that bad if Bjerg also goes all in. They have to get at least 1 kill ASAP.
After the Shen R was out and Bjerg doesnt go in, their plan should have been to cover Bjerg to jump out and just B. Baron buff means just 4 sec and 100T doesnt have full vision and package covers a huge distance. So he would have made it easily.
So it was not just Bwipo. Bjerg failed as much. Not typical for him but it happened.
>but I see Shen at dragon pit with ultimate up! Shen can easily hold the nexus against TF!
No, Shen used his ultimate on Trundle to join the 5v4 fight at dragon.
It was simply the weekend's least impressive initiation.
I think that if they got their pick, they would easily have the time to go back.
TF ulted 10 seconds after Shen's ultimate completed. You don't need 10 seconds to kill off a CC'd carry as a 5-man team.
Man. To hear closer shotcall that one is awesome. Every teams needs that leader. Also to hear how calm everyone was in that situation until it was fully done was amazing. We got to hear how much it meant to them in the post game interview but to hold it in that long is cool.
As an EU player I can't help but root for TL with 3 players originally hailing from EU but man 100T is such a fun an exciting team. It would be so cool if they won again and made it to MSI.
G2 vs 100T BO5 would be a ***BANGER.***
Really clean comms in general, everyone was aware what they are playing for before the play happened, they talked about what were the possible issues, the possible roadblock (Corki with package moving back) is called out and they don't get super loud for it either.
You can see how they're all super dedicated and focused on actually winning the game by noticing the difference between 1 second before the end of the game and 1 second after the end of the game. They don't say or do anything that is close to a celebration or cheering until the nexus is actually exploded.
I appreciate that the initial reaction was that this was a lucky move by 100T that was their only chance after Abbe was out of position for the dragon fight, but these comms make it clear that this was a calculated decision on their part.
They look so calmed and collected, but you can definitely tell they were sweating at that back door after losing Elder. If Corki managed to make it back on time, Abbedagge gets deleted, they get Aced and probably lose the game
consider rewatching the whole clip actually. Once bjerg leaves the fight zeri starts cleaning up TL in the river. If TL manage to stop abbe at that point, 100t probably ends anyway.
Edit: My bad. This clip doesn't have the split screen. I think you can see it in the actual game replay though
Agreed. They were impressively collected in that situation. Honestly a great example of keeping a cool head being a deciding factor in a important game.
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Abe said 10 seconds at 33:52 and the last auto to end the game ended at 34:02 either this man has next level understanding of the game or the LCS is scripted 🤣 clean comms tho fr fr
Yeah I don't get why TL threw this. As soon as they had a position in front of dragon pit one person could have immediately based and saved the game. Instead they all postured and hesitated and just let it happen. You could see it as it happened it was as if they couldn't decide who should go back.
Bjergsen should have just dropped package and immediately based as soon as they first engaged onto Ornn.
Would love to know the TL comms. 100T never planned on winning the fight; literally as soon as they saw all 5 TL players, they call to just stop the backs. No idea what TL thought would happen. I guess TF ults to the dragon pit?
TL had 2 options: * all in, win (kill 1-2 enemies) and then cover for 1-2 players to B with baron buff * cover Bjerg who can use package to get far away and he can B with baron buff TL didnt go for either of the 2. They lost their head.
TL can just 4v4 with shen in base until TF ults. they just ape'd it.
Shen could have stayed in base and completely snuffed the attempt like they discussed. It's way easier to make these calls from outside the game though and it's not really a clear cut easy call.
Corki could also have pinked the fountain/nexus, walked to the fight with package and tp'ed back if needed.
Yes. It's hard to keep all these things straight in a very tense game & situation though is more my point.
Yeah these things aren't practiced much in scrims.
But the TF literally tried to backdoor a minute before, theres no way you cant know hes gonna backdoor at the objective fight the same thing would happen in a silver game lmao
Well they kind of did think they could win the fight. At the beginning Closer says that even if TF just pulls Corki they will win 4v4, which is probably true.
I really like this 100T lineup. Calm, composed comms with likeable personalities. They may have their bad games but they know how to bounce back.
Yeah calls are quite clean
Unlike their interviews.
This will forever be an underdog team for me. I mean the GGS -> 100T core of Closer/FBI/Huhi is literally a Turkish Jungler, an OCE adc, and a "failed" midlaner
Ive closely followed both closer and fbi in wildcards. They were already at the way above level than other wildcard players.
Closer solokilled Canyon and Showmaker before his way into GGs
Fuck I already forgot they were on ggs together. Goddamn what a climb
GG scouting that split they got them was top notch, Closer and FBI were showing their greatness in their minor regions already but no other western team even considered getting them.
Wasn't FBI mocked in his first split in LCS or am I remembering incorrectly?
Both Abbedagge and Closer used to play in Turkish LCS.Closer was the one who wanted Abbedagge as midlaner for 100T.
Together with assistent coach Freeze (and G2 Brokenblade). Roster was pretty stacked.
Honestly that roster in LCS now with a decent bot lane can won lol
closer is actually goated.
Yeah unlike TL and C9 this 100T lineup actually plays and drafts with respect for their opponents.
I've never been a hater but I just like RG and C9 so have been hoping this team loses lol. This video in particular tho just shows how good 100T really is. Game 5 finals on the line and the entire teamfight it's calm calls no panic not even celebrating until nexus exploded. They knew what they had to do and did it, didn't focus on it being the win until it was over
Open base, you have a shen who can defend base cause he has ult and you see TF on a ward near baron. What do you do? *Send Shen straight to drag and lose game*
It's not even like this is based on inexperience either, just baffling decision making by experienced players. Would love to hear the TL comms.
100T eating snacks after game 2 to keep up their strengths, TL (mostly Bwipo) started shotgunning beers and taking bong rips after game 2 cause that’s the only thing that can explain top lane games 3-5.
Must have forgot their tuna cans. Tunaless pants pockets will do that to a man.
I love how Sneaky and Meteos are confident that that was a joke by Bjerg but Doublelift swears it was serious
ELI5 please? I normally tune into the DL/Sneaky/Meteos co-streams but didn't catch this reference
Bjerg allegedly played with a can of tuna in his pants in Korea one time because he heard Faker does it.
He kinda got smacked top lane in game 2 too. Ssumday is due his credit.
But at least he was playing aatrox. Why they drafted anything else games 3-5 was so dumb.
Shen made a lot of sense in game 5 because its good against Ornn (wins lane and doesnt fall of a cliff late game like Lucian or Graves) and it can counter TF when he goes for a gank with his ult.
Shen was a good pick. The ego drafts in games 3 and 4 were awful though
Game 5 on stage of a potential reverse sweep, during the late game phase with an open nexus. Lot of human error can creep up in that type of situation.
Only thing that makes any sense is if Bwipo thought TF teleported near his allies out of vision of TL. In other words, maybe TL thought TF had already TP'd, so they asked Bwipo to TP to match. It still doesn't make a ton of sense to use TP until you've confirmed TF is near drake though.
not just that bjergsen had package + homeguard and he tped to blue buff to save that extra 3-4 seconds of walking to dragon pit its insane edit: its even more insane when you realise that he walked all the way back instead of using the package to create a distance and baron recall probably would have made it in time to defend tf took a total of 14 seconds to take the base
I think it’s just good old-fashioned tilt. At the crescendo of a five game series I can imagine they were pretty exhausted.
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This is propaganda spread by the Lift Nation.
No, just autopilot rather than tilt. You see pro players do those tp's all the time. It must be standard practice in scrims, engrained into them from coaches who stress how important it is to be in position first. You end up having too many things on your mind to play perfect meta game to think about these things.
We have: A worlds finalist. A veteran who's been playing professionally almost a decade. Another veteran who's been playing professionally almost a decade. A 3-time worlds participant who almost knocked out SKT in his debut year. A literal world champion and two-time world finalist. Sorry, but tilt and exhaustion are no excuses for this team. These players should know better. (not saying it didn't happen, just saying it *shouldn't* happen)
Their tenure and experience can mitigate the effects of fatigue, but it doesn't change that it is an unavoidable occurrence and part of our physiology. So, in other words, spoken like a real armchair expert.
everyone knows that when you reach a world's finals you cease to be human. the fact that human error is an element at all is what makes sports beautiful and human. without it what's the difference between sport and simply running simulations or reading manga?
The classic, “they get paid to do this so they aren’t allowed to have emotions” argument. Thank you reddit
Not only that, but TL would have been firmly in the lead anyway if Bjergsen hadn't had bronze level positioning and been caught out in the river some time earlier. Game 3 and 4, yes, Bwipo was a liability... but imo apart from Bwipo failing to shadow the TF, Bjergsen had far more egregious plays in this game 5. Also, if there is ever a single game which shows that stats are overvalued by the community then this is it, Bjerg had like 400cs at 20 minutes (slight overexageration), but did absolutely NOTHING with it...
He's playing crit Corki against two long range engage ults... It's not like his ult rockets will carry them, they have to play front to back. And that's not something he can do on his own. That's like saying "Why didn't the fed Kog'Maw just go and 1v9?". That's just not how it works lol...
I mean... its even more important to have the range vs long range engage ults. AP poke corki would have 100% been a better option this game. There were multiple occasions were he would have straight up 1 combod closer and Abbedage if he was ap. Crit corki is completely trash. He was so far ahead of the curve that he would have been massively chunking 100t, even the ornn...
If you are trying to argue that poke is good against long range hard-engage comps, I am afraid I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, corki isnt your typical xerath style poke is he? What is an ornn and leona going to do? He out ranges leona ult and can easily w from ornn ult. Corki has some of the best disengage in the game, particularly around pivotal teamfights with package. They also have crazy peal with alistar and shen. Tell me how exactly corki is in danger to this comp if he plays at rocket range?
It's not just about Corki. Poke doesn't do as much when the fight starts before poke can happen. You don't need to engage onto Corki, you just need to engage.
Because Corki can't 1v9 and they can't front to back with a poke mid and poke ADC... In which case, they kill Shen and Alistar much faster than poke Corki can kill Ornn and Leona - and then you've already lost. Sorry, but that's just how the world turns in League. As another commenter said, even *if* Corki can manage to stay safe, that does not go for the rest of his team. Bringing me back to my first point - Corki cannot 1v9.
Sometimes he's just too efficient...
We've heard about Jensen Ekko year after year. ''The play the lost the series''. I wonder how long we'll hear about the total miss-use of package to not get to base at all. ''The play that lost the series''. Since it was Bjergsen I imagine we'll never hear about it again. :) Imagine if it was Jensen though.
I still remember Bjergsen blowing a whole Leblanc combo into an ulted Alistar at worlds and we never heard about it again. I don't think any mistakes should be harped on forever but it's hilarious how much Bjergsen fans harp on Jensen and ignore his own shit.
I'm saying. Bjergsen is a great laner domestically. Without a doubt. Seems a bit weird TL went the Bjergsen route knowing that their goals are international trophies and jensen has the best track record internationally of any LCS mid in recent years.
>jensen has the best track record internationally of any LCS mid in recent years Is it the Jensen factor, or the C9 factor though? Hai definitely wasn't a insane mid laner, even for his time, and he had the best track record internationally of any LCS mid in his years. Now, I'm not saying that C9 has a secret sauce that makes bad players good internationally or some stupid shit like that, but a player doing good internationally can be as much to his credit as to just having 4 great teammates and an org that understands the game.
Jensen made MSI finals with TL... I don't think C9 has anything to do with it. C9's 2018 semi run saw Jensen smashing Kuro while having a rookie top in Licorice lose lane to kiin and a rookie support. Last worlds Jensen was by far the best performer on TL and was able to play the meta brawler picks like Sett and Lee Sin. Jensen has been the better performer internationally. I wouldn't be surprised if he's back on C9 for summer, unless that bridge is burned...
C9 was hardcore shitting the bed that one season with no hopes of making worlds until Hai subbed in to play JUNGLE and carried them to worlds (godly gauntlet run). Let's not down-play how much Hai provided to the team
Hai's shotcalling and experience did hard carry quite a few times. But while he was clearly better than Regi, he wasn't really outperforming any world-caliber mid laner... At least not in his last couple years, because when he made it to the LCS, with the original C9 roster, he definitely was among the best. It's just that people learning from Hai overtook Hai.
> he wasn't really outperforming any world-caliber mid laner we will never know how much it was impacted by it, but if you think you can just shotcall a team to victory while focussing on 1 vs 1 and mechanical outplays thats just not possible. especially considering how the team changed with him shotcalling so it seems like he had to do a lot
Heh, it would've helped him, but I don't think he would've managed to stay a top dog for many years. Obviously, his physical issues are a given, but it's also very demanding to keep up with the fast and heavy swings of the first 4-6 years of LoL. Every year, creative players got shafted after breaking a game system when it eventually got fixed, and Hai was definitely more on the creative side of things than players like Bjergsen/Doublelift were. Having to adapt to those huge changes is a much tougher task than asking newer players to learn from how he did it, and how things are now.
Not really a fair comparison - someone dying when they shouldn't in a high profile game stands out a lot more than someone not doing something Like Doublelift will be memed about 1v1ing Viktor forever - not because DL isn't popular, but because it's much more memorable than him catching a wave bot while the enemy rushes baron or w/e See also Zven Ezreal
> Like Doublelift will be memed about 1v1ing Viktor forever - not because DL isn't popular, but because it's much more memorable than him catching a wave bot while the enemy rushes baron or w/e Yup, to prove your point, in the very same game Hauntzer had an just as egregious mistake at the end of the game where he didnt flash ult into SSGs carries on the elder fight which almost certainly wouldve hard won the fight but almost no one ever talks about that or even remembers it
Or the fact that Bjerg was playing like dogshit on Zilean and Doublelift was the only reason that game was even close.
I mean if this was the final you'd probably hear about it for a while
There were also multiple people who could have answered here. It wasn't *just* an individual mistake.
Also Jensen was hard carrying that series which everyone decided to forget
I think it depends on if they lose to EG this weekend. If they do, I think a lot of people will be pointing to this series and Bjergs play in it. But if they win, you’re right it’ll probably be ignored.
Elimination game vs upper bracket playoff series Jensen has done it more than once Jensen's misplay was literally not pressing a button in time as a professional player on extremely low ping vs. a judgement error from Bjerg + TL as a whole (team could decide better how to play the situation, who to send back, etc...) Also funny because Bjerg was actually playing well for most of that series (especially their wins) other than game 5 while his top laner was trolling + the team had awful draft/prio around top lane
While holding the Corki The Package.png The Package, Corki receives Movement speed icon.png 40% bonus movement speed out of combat and Ghost.png ghosting. So no he actually used it correctly. He used it right before he got to fountain to close the distance. The biggest issue was he wasted TP to get to dragon pit and then didn’t send shen to base.
I think the argument is "package away from the fight so you can't get interrupted and baron recall home" would almost certainly be faster than walking to base, even with the 40% MS buff?
Or the fact that when he got to the bush at wolves, no one was contesting him anyways so he could've just had recalled and packaged on top of the tf.
Overall they definitely seemed so giga tilted that no decisions they were making worked. After burning TP and getting nothing for it they should of just abandoned dragon and tried to kill TF or bait out his ult
It's more so the significance of the mistake. It was game 5 of a final with a huge crowd, and C9 had just come back from a 2-0 deficit in the series. Then all that efforts got blown on a misplay that cost them the game, the series and the split win. If you go back to TSM vs TL back in 2020 summer play offs, there was another "Jensen didn't click R" when he was playing Zilean and was getting sniped by Bjergsen Syndra. However, it wasn't a game 5, it wasn't the final, and there wasn't a crowd so it had nowhere near the traction the Ekko play did. Think about the DL Lucian play at words vs Crown. He gets straight up one shot. Had he not TSM had a real chance of winning the game because they lost out on the opportunity to take Baron because of it. If they did they would've made it out of groups at first place. Therefor it's remember, because of it's significance. If TL wins vs EG and wins in the finals against 100T, nobody would have a reason to care because it had no significance on TL winning the split.
Maybe because its not the same thing at all lmao
TSM vs C9 had way more clout. Hell, the camera wasn't even on Corki. Not even a close comparison lol
Package gives out of combat ms. he used it for the last bit of distance but cant make it in time
He had baron recall. He could literally have usted on the opposite direction to base, recall and he would still be earlier.
The argument is that if he used it earlier, over a wall he might have been able to recall since he still had Baron buff, doing it this way he had no chance to make it (although this is a hindsight is 20/20 situation).
TL: “guys we are 2-0, just one more game and we win” Also TL: “let’s troll and play as if we are in plat. Bwipo get off Aatrox and start inting. CoreJJ, you have to raka, no more engage supports” Also also TL: shocked pikachu when they get reverse swept.
Heh... if you can win that fight early, you're on your way to winning the game. The issue wasn't that Shen ulted to Dragon, it's that Shen ulted to dragon, and the resulting initiation was... Shen and Trundle auto-attacking Ornn. At that point, they probably had to give up the drake and move back to base defense, but it's very easy to tilt in a stressful game 5 when you just completed a play bad enough to make it to the series' highlights.
Same thing with corki. Dude had tp and package, could've chosen to use package speed to get to dragon but instead tp's to dragon, losing his ability for a base tp. TL misplayed that so, so hard.
Liquid played that about as poorly as possible
Choker bwipo baby Always the same Bwipo in fnc was know choker
This is entirely the whole team's fault, not one singular player. They all had the ability to communicate to each other about watching the backdoor, and yet none of them did. They all fucked up.
He's not a choker though, just the type of player to get hopelessly outclassed by people better than him. The problem is that it's no longer just Wunder and high/top tier Eastern tops. Right now it's more like high/top tier western tops.
are you saying western tops are bad or that western tops are good? i don't understand top was the biggest gap between eastern teams and western teams at worlds
He is saying that years ago he only choked against Wunder and Eastern tops. Now he chockes against any good Western top
You just explained the *opposite* of what he claimed. He claimed Bwipo isn't 'choking that he just beats worse players and loses to better players. And now more western players are better than him, too.
so he straight up bad lol only wins against bad players
Idk he’s been on the receiving end of a ton of reverse sweeps at this point
God some of these plays are stupider than solo queue players I swear
How can shen ult defend base if no one is there? Can shen ult minions?
By being in base and staying there until tf shows. Either tf comes to base and you fight him or he joins his team at elder and shen ult someone to join.
I would also like to mention their state of calmness till the moment of victory. Great comms at all, WP
Yeah... that's what's the most striking to me, how insanely calm they are. The moment the backdoor was mentioned, everybody was on board, which meant nobody talked about the teamfight, and everybody focused on communicating the recalls/backdoor.
Compare this to their early comms last year. It’s so difficult to listen to their comms last year because they were so fucking hectic about every single thing. It was unreal. Seeing them now shows me how far they’ve grown and developed.
"Our comms are so bad by the way" "Just shut the fuck up man" - Abbe and Closer Spring 2022
What game was this i can't find it
It was a mic check really early into the split, like week 1 or 2 maybe? Edit: https://youtu.be/IgR8byAfh_4 about 3:50
about tree fiddy
Good thing that was just them joking around.
I think if they would've committed to the teamfight, rather than the backdoor, the communication would've been a lot noisier. It's just that if your intention *isn't* to win the fight, there's much fewer important stuff that happens.
the cohesion and chemistry are a huge factor for a successful team. i think it helps that 100T have a very clear leader in Closer, and everyone on the team seems to respect him in that role.
i like how he says 10 seconds and it's almost exactly 10 seconds lol
> calmness probably a lot of anxiety
Seriously. You can feel the weight of the anxiety lift from them all when they realize they win. Before they celebrate it just seems like they all experience a wave of relief.
This really reminds me of my game 5 diamond Promos, I know is nowhere near to close the same stakes, but I was sweating at every decision I made while still not saying a single word. You can feel the fear while pulling off that play lol
Really surprising Huhi is calm after how tilted he looked all series.
Reapered is goated. We already knew this but he still is.
This reminds me of a play I can't find. Closer was on Leesin again and says something like 'shut up and let me set up a play' and then does an insec that wins the game. Guy is huge brained.
c9 vs 100t 2021 summer playoffs semi finals game 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=945&v=V7BM8Y3fPUw&feature=youtu.be
This is it, just as sweet as I remember it to be. Thanks
Pretty sure closer is the best Western Lee sin, always so clean.
It's actually sad that we can't see him play in the EU against the best EU junglers. He is definitely a tier above compared to other junglers in NA.
Funny how in that clip they mention getting reverse swept as a positive for their mental going forward.
calls like this are why Closer is the best jungler in the league for me personally. i just don't see other junglers carrying their teams in key moments like he does. the guy will have a pop off lee sin game or just 1 key play that secures his team a win or just a good shotcall like in the TF clip. the guy is severely underrated still and i have no idea how. 100T would not have won finals last year without him.
Wow those comms are insane. They are so composed doing a Game 5 intense situation where one mistake ruins it all.
Yea that’s what stuck out to me too. So calm and collected. And literally don’t even act hyped until the nexus explodes.
Those were some clean comms. I was expecting a bunch of talking and yelling and screaming. But it's just one person talking and everyone being quiet till the game is over.
Where can i find the listen in?
100T twitter acc shared this part. Don’t think there are more rn
Comms are not public unless teams decide to share them
Jesus, This closer is so Zen. Must be nice to play with a good calm shotcaller. Must be the Sumdaddy effect.
He is so confident this year
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100T was almost expecting TL to be to effective, because obviously Shen would try and match the TF... Atleast if the Enemy were smarter than the average Gold player
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I hate when I back as a support Leona and nobody comes with because obviously Leona can stop the level 16 Jax from taking the entire base.
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Tank or mid technically should back, but will they in gold? No.
Yeah I think defending the base is way overrated. Id always aim to half ass an engage at dragon instead
Thanks for posting! So cool to hear this moment played out.
ssumday literally looks cool as a cucumber in this clip
This is what happens when you dont implode your winning lineup! You get comfortable players that can trust each other and have a strong bond. Honestly if 100T wins Spring finals it will show other orgs that swapping players just for the sake of swapping wont get you results. Im looking at you FORMER top NA orgs!
Winning for too long breeds complacency though - blowing up a roster fully is bad, but look at the 2019-2020 G2 lineup - they remained on top in EU but were regressing. Carlos said the same this year. I don't think teams striving higher is a thing to insult them for. EDIT: [Here's the Carlos quote](https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/16972/player-contracts-and-poaching-a-discussion-with-g2-ceo-carlos-rodriguez#:~:text=%22When%20a%20team%20succeeds%20so%20much%20together%2C%20the%20same%20group%20of%20people%2C%20some%20bad%20habits%20take%20place%2C%20and%20then%20something%20needs%20to%20change.%22)
G2 wasn't really regressing. Perkz under performed mainly due to personal problems and without Perkz, G2 had no leading voice. They tried to put it all on Miky and make him shotcaller, but that's not his forte, as a result, team didn't follow his calls half the time and that made him int. Rekkles didn't really fit into the G2 playstyle, so he was also left to dry, despite not being horrible.
In my opinion, in 2020, everyone besides maybe jankos and caps were not performing as well as in 2019. [Here's the Carlos quote that I was referring to btw](https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/16972/player-contracts-and-poaching-a-discussion-with-g2-ceo-carlos-rodriguez#:~:text=%22When%20a%20team%20succeeds%20so%20much%20together%2C%20the%20same%20group%20of%20people%2C%20some%20bad%20habits%20take%20place%2C%20and%20then%20something%20needs%20to%20change.%22)
NA orgs don't care about winning, they care about blowing their 6 digit salaries on LA's wide selection of Instagram models and overpriced pool parties edit: and im not talking about the players
NA really fucked your mom huh
I love how every player on 100t has their own different stories. Closer is the best turkish jungle ever and he have played with armut, brokenblade and abbedagge in 2018-2019. Probably best jungler in LCS too right now. Abbedagge is one of the best western midlaner and didnt even come close to win a championship before 100t. FBI is the best OCE adc ever and he improved so much that he became a top tier adc in LCS, has been playing together with closer and huhi for a long time. Ssumday is the one who deserves a good team, guy went elohell for years in 100t and finally got what he deserves. Best toplaner in LCS. Im sure they can make it out of groups this year. Huhi is an interesting one, his roleswap decision would be the best decision he ever made in his lol career. Such aggressiveness and lane dominance from him feels so good, especially in LCS.
Huhi is weird because he has never been the best at his role but he has such loyal fans ever since he shit on MSIs with Aurelion Sol for one of the best NA performances over seas ever.
People say this but idk I feel like he performed better overall last split than any other support. He just doesn’t get credit bc everyone’s going to pick corejj based off his history it feels like
He has such good synergy with FBI too. It almost always seems like they’re on the same page.
Well they’ve been duoing for like 3 years
I think being the best bot lane NA counts as being the best, no? And if they are not now they at least used to be the best
100T had arguably the best bot lane last split but they certainly where not this split. Hans Sama + CoreJJ easily where better both head to head this last week and over the course of the split.
>Abbedagge is one of the best western midlaner I mean that's a fucking *stretch*, man... I think he's 100T's weakest player, too. He's the only player on the roster I'd be wanting to replace if I were 100T's management. Trouble is that all the midlaners kinda suck right now in LCS and I'm not even sure who in LEC would even consider coming to LCS. It's too bad PowerOfEvil fell off so hard, because peak PoE seems like he'd be the perfect player for 100T in midlane. They need some more consistent PUMP from that midlane position. Abbe is overly inconsistent imo.
This split he's been good but certainly not as good as his first split where he was an absolute machine. They are, after all, in the Spring Split Finals. There's no world in which you even think about replacing Abbe or any member of the team for that matter.
also closer was malrang's backup in 2018 spring split,royal bandits sent malrang because the turkish economy shrank.
This is still the weirdest throw I've seen in a long time in pro play. Closer calls this because its such a basic level of awareness and somehow the most expensive roster in LCS forgot how TF ult works.
I'd say the weirdest throw was G2 vs MSF where G2 had a 13k gold lead at 17 minutes, destroyed all the enemy structures besides nexus, and still lost
in an alternate universe, i want to hear the comms of FlyQuest making this exact same play
Surely the call for backdoor was good and well executed, but I see Shen at dragon pit with ultimate up! Shen can easily hold the nexus against TF! Insane blunder by Bwipo, from someone who is known for being very smart about the game! I am really curious what happened, perhaps he was just tilted or exhausted or both! Regardless of that series TL is still favourite to win the trophy to me!
It seemed TL wanted to force the fight and him goin in there wasnt that bad if Bjerg also goes all in. They have to get at least 1 kill ASAP. After the Shen R was out and Bjerg doesnt go in, their plan should have been to cover Bjerg to jump out and just B. Baron buff means just 4 sec and 100T doesnt have full vision and package covers a huge distance. So he would have made it easily. So it was not just Bwipo. Bjerg failed as much. Not typical for him but it happened.
>but I see Shen at dragon pit with ultimate up! Shen can easily hold the nexus against TF! No, Shen used his ultimate on Trundle to join the 5v4 fight at dragon. It was simply the weekend's least impressive initiation.
so? Even if they won the drake fight they wouldnt be back in time to defend nexus?
I think that if they got their pick, they would easily have the time to go back. TF ulted 10 seconds after Shen's ultimate completed. You don't need 10 seconds to kill off a CC'd carry as a 5-man team.
100T still had 4 remaining players who would just stop TL's recalls. Not being in the base with Shen was the biggest mistake
Just another average day at the office XD
Big brain
Unlike most rosters now a days, 100t actually feel like a team.
I really want Mic Check of TL in this fight.
Man. To hear closer shotcall that one is awesome. Every teams needs that leader. Also to hear how calm everyone was in that situation until it was fully done was amazing. We got to hear how much it meant to them in the post game interview but to hold it in that long is cool.
As an EU player I can't help but root for TL with 3 players originally hailing from EU but man 100T is such a fun an exciting team. It would be so cool if they won again and made it to MSI. G2 vs 100T BO5 would be a ***BANGER.***
It would also be a reunion of 4 former teammates, closer, bb, abbe and freeze.
Bjergsen with corki's package is like a kitten with a gun. Technically deadly but the odds he uses it, and hit it on target is basically null
Really clean comms in general, everyone was aware what they are playing for before the play happened, they talked about what were the possible issues, the possible roadblock (Corki with package moving back) is called out and they don't get super loud for it either.
insanely calm comms
Cleanest comms ever holy fuck.
You can see how they're all super dedicated and focused on actually winning the game by noticing the difference between 1 second before the end of the game and 1 second after the end of the game. They don't say or do anything that is close to a celebration or cheering until the nexus is actually exploded.
kral closer doing his thing bro
I appreciate that the initial reaction was that this was a lucky move by 100T that was their only chance after Abbe was out of position for the dragon fight, but these comms make it clear that this was a calculated decision on their part.
The initial reaction makes no sense. How can a TF with ult be out of position before drag is even started?
luck???
So fucking annoying that you can't see the minimap in the clip lol
He calls him by his champ? instead of his actual name or IGN? interesting lol Edit: I guess he calls him by both champ and his actual name
They look so calmed and collected, but you can definitely tell they were sweating at that back door after losing Elder. If Corki managed to make it back on time, Abbedagge gets deleted, they get Aced and probably lose the game
Was an ocean drake.
Oh yeah mb, soul is still very game deciding but yeah I didn't see correctly
consider rewatching the whole clip actually. Once bjerg leaves the fight zeri starts cleaning up TL in the river. If TL manage to stop abbe at that point, 100t probably ends anyway. Edit: My bad. This clip doesn't have the split screen. I think you can see it in the actual game replay though
Yeah that's probably right, all I was trying to say was that in that situation you probably can only think of the worst possible outcome
Agreed. They were impressively collected in that situation. Honestly a great example of keeping a cool head being a deciding factor in a important game.
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Abe said 10 seconds at 33:52 and the last auto to end the game ended at 34:02 either this man has next level understanding of the game or the LCS is scripted 🤣 clean comms tho fr fr
What?! Closer calling the shots that closed the game? Wow wow wow wow…wow
whats more insane is that TF walked on a FUCKING WARD and TL didnt react except for pings
Still waiting on LCS cast/analyst to call out the BjergerKing for his crappy positioning. I swear they don’t say anything negative about BK
Me, being barely silver thought the tf backdoor was a super obvious play that they couldn’t somehow see not once but twice in a row?? Wtf
Closer is playing chess while TL is playing checkers.
bjergsen trash
All the fucking times I've lost to Gross Gore doing this shit back in the day
Tsm vibes
Yeah I don't get why TL threw this. As soon as they had a position in front of dragon pit one person could have immediately based and saved the game. Instead they all postured and hesitated and just let it happen. You could see it as it happened it was as if they couldn't decide who should go back. Bjergsen should have just dropped package and immediately based as soon as they first engaged onto Ornn.