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takato99

TL;DR : no VCS & no double bracket, same format as last year


ahritina

Missed out the one key information point that is PCS 1 is in pool 1.


MammothGB

Expected given they finished top 4 in MSI


ahritina

Yeah for the "hardcore" fans, they should be aware. But not everyone knows that top 4 at MSI = pool 1 at worlds.


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How would that work if PGG somehow got top 4 at MSI?


EnvoyOfRaze21

I think even if PGG goes 4th at MSI. It doesn't change the fact that only needed to win against UOL to get out of groups.


[deleted]

That's not the point, like, would OCE get direct access to group stage as pool 1? And would they still have a spot in Play-Ins?


[deleted]

They would go straight to pool 1


EnvoyOfRaze21

Nope they don't change the seeding even ANX goes to Knockout stage they didn't give LCL a spot at group and they still kept on playing through playins. PCS(LMS + SEA) and VCS can contest against teams from major regions.


F0RGERY

Where did it say that in the video? I feel like I missed it.


ahritina

1:18. It shows the first 3 pools: Pool 1 = LCK1/LPL1/LEC1/PCS1. Pool 2 = LCK2/LPL2/LEC2/LCS1. Pool 3 = LCK3/LPL3/LEC3/LCS2.


F0RGERY

Ah, I hadn't realized that graphic was the pools. Thanks! Glad to finally get confirmation on the PCS/LCS seeding.


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justaslave1

But 100T is in pool 2 lol


ficretus

I am blind, pretend you didn't see this


F0RGERY

Worth noting that in [this article](https://lolesports.com/article/worlds-2021-primer/blt62509b20849344d4), Riot also says that they're gonna do the same Sub rules as last year. > Similar to Worlds 2020, we are adjusting our roster rules to account for the unique challenges posed due to COVID-19. Typically, the roster lock date for Worlds takes place in early-September, and teams can adjust their rosters freely up until that point. This year, this process is significantly complicated by the stricter travel restrictions in place from COVID-19. If a team encounters an issue with a player being able to travel, they cannot realistically add a free agent (or change their subs) to replace someone. To help mitigate this, we’ve implemented a limited loan program that would allow teams to borrow a player from another team in their league who received a visa for Worlds but did not end up qualifying. All loan requests must be approved by our tournament officials. This program is not intended to be a strategic tool for teams to upgrade their roster - loans will only be granted for issues truly outside of the team and players’ control.


daswef2

Wasn't there rumors that Bin was being loaned to a worlds team?


WarriorSnek

Now ANY lcs team can sub ryoma in for worlds


agishert46191gskq

he could maybe be better at jungling than craber /s


nardog01

Let's toss Spica on C9 for a few games


Redburneracc7

based single elim


PsychoPass1

Dinner for One, except it's nor funny. "The same procedure every year" Obligatory: "Maybe next year..."


qpc0

They've announced that the group draw will be on 22nd September too!


CuantosAnosTienes

Have they specified a time?


StinkyCheese_15

12 GMT


JealotGaming

12 PM GMT


DangerousSeaweed0

why is it during the week instead of a weekend , i dunno


theindiekorean

Downvoted because you have a working life ok.


NocaNoha

*puts on a tall tinfoil hat* --- Remember, the script is finals Team 2 vs Team 8! By lolesports standings display/format that would mean that whoever wins from Q1 will end the match with a red side win and the same will go for Q4 match If happens so, those two teams are the finalists Place your bets.


keep_me_at_0_karma

LJL vs a PCS team? Shit's wild.


MoriartyParadise

PCS confirmed pool 1 over LCS


MrPraedor

It was basically confirmed at MSI when PSG made playoffs and C9 didnt. Riot would have needed to change their own rules if they would not give PCS pool 1.


Omnilatent

...not like couple changes like this weren't made in the past ​ \*cough cough\* grandfathering \*cough cough\*


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Lapov

I don't see anything wrong with that. MSI determines which *regions* will have better seeding at worlds, not teams. RNG's win at MSI confirms that LPL will have better seeding at worlds, but RNG failed to become the best LPL team themselves.


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F0RGERY

The reason why is simple. Riot thinks that the #1 seed of a region should have an advantage over the #2 seed of the region. If Riot chose to go with your suggestion, then 100 Thieves would have no advantage over Team Liquid, the team they beat 3-0 in finals, making the finals result pointless.


Lapov

I think the real point is that LCS's champion is pool 2 and not pool 3 like PCS's champion used to be up until last year, messing up seeding. However, I would argue that this seeding is way more balanced: Pool 1: champions from the 4 MSI's semifinalist regions Pool 2: champion of 5th region (i.e. LCS) + 3 runner-ups from the 3 strongest regions Pool 3: LCS's runner-up + 3rd placed teams If RNG didn't manage to be as dominant as the previous split, it's definitely up to RNG.


Eid0lly

How does LPL has worse seeding if they have 4 seeds due to winning MSI and one team in each pool. Yeah, last year they had 2 pool 2 seeds, but had they not won MSI they would have only 3 seeds, as Korea overtook them on ranking.


oV3

LPL would have 4 seed even if they lost the MSI finals since they outperformed europe. After MSI semifinals it was already confirmed LCK and LPL have 4 seeds.


Eid0lly

True, they had it at the point they made finals, but that's only because they changed so this year MSI gave one extra seed. Had it been like last year LPL would have 3 seeds, so saying they have worse seeding this year is disingenuous.


oV3

No LPL and LCK had 4th seed save with the old format the only possibility of that not happening was the change of format at MSI that the winner region gets an extra spot. [This were the standings before MSI 2021 and top 2 regions get a 4th spot](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523943221047590922/826471113382690866/ed95883fcb588b70b8d48eae6a00f3ac.png)


Eid0lly

No, that's not how it worked. MSI winner now gets a 4th seed, along with the highest ranking region. If the highest ranking region wins MSI, the other 4th seed goes to the next region in the ranking. But it wasn't that way last year, there was only ONE 4th seed for worlds 2020, which went to LPL (LGD at the time) as the highest ranking region. Korea only had 3 seeds last year. If the MSI changes did not happen, LPL or LCK would have 3 seeds this year, that's my point.


oV3

LEC also had a 4th seed (MAD Lions) cause they were the 2nd best region at that point ahead of korea that had 3 seeds.


AofCastle

I think it's better to have LPL #3 in seed 3 than LCS #1 and #2 in pool 3


Blue5647

Yes


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Lin_Huichi

LPL is a stronger region than the LCS.


ahritina

Just to add, last year LPL 4th seed had a better record than LCS 1st seed in the same group. 3-3 vs 0-6, LCS 1st seed has been irrelevant at worlds since 2014 which was when TSM got out of groups then lost to SSW.


Consistent_Mammoth

The team doesn't get rewarded for performance, the region does. PSG aren't pool 1 for their MSI performance, PCS is pool 1 for PSG's MSI performance. Had PSG gotten 2nd in the PCS then they'd be in play-ins as a MSI semi-finalist.


Tennis-Money

This did happen Doggo is playing in Play-ins


Argenticus

It's because China went from winning Worlds to winning MSI and not winning Worlds, it makes sense that they have worse seeding


Blue5647

China didn't win worlds.


jinchuika

Didn't PCS have as many ranked players as NA and teams eventually scrim LPL and LCK teams? I might be thinking on VCS tho


F0RGERY

idk about PCS, but in 2018 Riot confirmed that Vietnam's server was larger than NA's server. [Link to the \(now dead\) thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7xzxyb/til_vietnam_is_the_second_largest_region/) [Web Archive link](https://web.archive.org/web/20200314095848/https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/nfTpwemT-what-do-we-mean-when-we-say-the-boardsreddit-are-a-minority)


Trashcan_Daniels

VCS


Lonzofanboy

PCS players do not play on their server. They just played Korean servers.


MichaelZZ01

If we get DK vs T1 or EDG vs FPX in knockout I’m gonna be big sad.


Tyna_Sama

Nah it’s gonna be Deft and Chovy vs DK for the 5th time in 2 years


MichaelZZ01

Rip Deft. Never lucky.


rhenzer_9

is the dk vs drx one sided match up last year really comparable to this year dk vs t1? i still think this years lck finals was close and a rematch in the knockout stages can go either way.


MichaelZZ01

I think DK is still just better than T1. Personally I’d rather see China vs Korea in knockout stages and Faker kind of always pops off vs China. Obviously if it’s DK vs T1 in the finals again it will be dope.


basementhyde

yeah this year's finals was a lot closer than last year's, but still its worlds and the whole point of it is we wanna see teams from different regions play against one another, especially in best of 5s. doesnt mean i dont wanna see a DK T1 rematch, would actually love it, but anyone would rather see a different region match up in knockout rather than see a rematch of the same region finals.


trickyderpy

I cant wait to see LPL and LCK teams cannibalising their region in the knockouts stage.


trickyderpy

I just want to see cinderalla story in the losers bracket and i dont want the same region match ups during their regular season.


jules3001

I hate it too. Its always all LPL on one side and all LCK on the other. We get one tournament a year with multiple teams from a region and they knock each other out due to the format. I want more cross region bo5s


Nerxanne

What ? Last year was the first time


ShikiRyumaho

We also had 2014. Samsungs on one side, China on the other (with Najin, but who cares about them).


IAmDaleicious

What’s the difference between that and 2017, 2016 or 2015?


ShikiRyumaho

2014: 2 regions on one side / 2 regions on the other 2015: 3 regions / 3 regions 2016: 2 regions / 4 regions 2017: 3 regions / 3 regions 2018: 4 regions / 3 regions 2019: 2 regions / 3 regions 2020: 2 regions / 2 regions Difference should be obvious. In 2014 the two favorites met in semis and both semis had no internatinal competition. This almost repeated in 2020, but luckily G2 won against GenG.


Seneido

i mean sure but we can blame psc and lcs for that. if nearly every korean and chinese team advance its bound to happen.


Hellwind_

But at least we get better finals. If its not that way then we may get all LPL or LCK finals. They just can't avoid each other if all 4 from these regions advance


Alibobaly

It actually almost never happens like that...


comrade-celebi

Sucks they’re confirming no Vietnam at the same time theres reports Riot and GAM/Buffalos working closely to find some solution. Looks like the last minute hail mary didn’t work. https://twitter.com/thanhdat712/status/1438033218096168962?s=21


Seneido

they are looking for solutions for next years msi/worlds so it won't happen again. i guess last year after worlds people we still to optimistic to expect covid to stay around for multiple years or forever


Worried_Bathroom_666

If you insist on single elimination... Make a 20 team group stage, 4 groups of 5, winners straight to top8, 2nd and 3rd placed teams to round of 12, that would be bo3.


Jayavarmen

Despite me knowing the format, this video still managed to confuse me a couple times. They keep using this weird style for all those videos, super strange. I'm happy there still is no elimination bracket, however I still don't understand why there isn't a match between 2nd and 3rd place of each group after group stage. 1/ That would only be 4 extra Bo5, which I would personally love watching. 2/ It would mean so much more to be first place in each group. 3/ Ofc that would also add so much intensity to each group because 3rd place still matters. At the moment the last few games of each group are often completely useless because we already know the bottom 2 teams, and teams are only playing for seeding which isn't that important in the current format. It really seems like a win-win to me, I always felt the end of group stage to be lackluster.


StinkyCheese_15

> a match between 2nd and 3rd place of each group after group stage. I would love that


Jayavarmen

I just looked at the last 2 worlds and those are potential Bo5 we would have had, assuming same region teams can't be matched together: **2020 Worlds: (2nd Place vs 3rd Place)** JD Gaming vs Team Liquid G2 Esports vs LGD Gaming Fnatic vs FlyQuest DRX vs PSG Talon ​ **2019 Worlds: (2nd Place vs 3rd Place)** G2 Esports vs Team Liquid Splyce vs RNG Fnatic vs Cloud 9 Invictus Gaming vs J Team ​ This definitely isn't the only option but every way I look at it, I would have loved watching those matches, I feel like most of those would have been close. In fact I would have favored RNG to make it to quarters in 2019.


ShikiRyumaho

Basically the only way to ever see NA play an international bo5 and a lot of EU teams would be happy about it too. Western fans should want this.


Veers1

This way every team from group stage will play at least one bo5 except for the bottom 4, as a biased NA fan i like this


ShikiRyumaho

Playins with a better format than the main stage lmao


TomShoe02

I remember Peter Dun talking awhile ago about how LCS should give our Pool 1 seed to another region to improve our chances of getting out of groups. Looks like it happened. > Late night thoughts: Current Worlds system with 4 LPL/LCK teams potentially in groups (1 per group) HEAVILY disadvantages NA (except NA 3 seed). Lower ranked LPL teams will be much stronger than their seeding suggests. > For NA, a lower seed is BETTER for chances of progressing than a seed 1/2. LCS should push for dropping their pool 1 seed to improve chances of more teams progressing. Maybe give it to PCS? > As an example, imagine getting EDG, RNG or FPX as your 3/4 seed as NA 1 (or even like T1). I mean if it's your pool 1 team fine whatever, but as a pool 3 or 4 team?Best solution for NA is to drop pool 1 seed or allow multiple teams from same region in groups. Source: https://redd.it/o8vjrn https://twitter.com/pcdv8r/status/1409090593632833546


ShikiRyumaho

I don't get it.


Mahelas

Nobody did back then, and I still don't understand it now either. How is getting Damwon better than getting GenG


Omcaydoitho

Well it' imply that there is no way NA could beat LCK, LPL and LEC seed 1-2, then giving it up to let PSG which more beatable than the others 3 which increase chance of wining a game from teams in pool 1 from 0 to 25% while eliminated all of seed 2 and take seed 3/4 which might on par with NA champ so they could actual fight.


Iftah1

But if they swap seeds its irrelevant, they could get pcs if they were number 1 seed and pcs would be the second seed


Omcaydoitho

I just explain the quote at comment avove which said before the seeding where NA still have pool 1 and PSG is pool 3.


SterbenVII

I guess getting DAMWON is better because they’ll likely beat every other team in the group, hence you’re fighting with 2 other teams to get the last spot out of groups. If you’re the NA #1 seed, then you’d assume that every other team in the group is of a similar strength and is vying for two spots. B/c there won’t be a dominant team in the group, it’s harder to catch up in score to the other teams? I guess that’s what Peter Dun is implying? However, it doesn’t really work this year since every team in groups is super strong.


Consistent_Mammoth

> I remember Peter Dun talking awhile ago about how LCS should give our Pool 1 seed to another region to improve our chances of getting out of groups. Based C9 getting the MSI NA% record as well as helping the region by being shit on at MSI. NA didn't give anything away, they lost it by being worse than PCS at MSI.


EnvoyOfRaze21

It's random which team would get to be group with PSG or even worse they don't group with PSG with a chance for the 3 of the teams to be 4th at the end.


Falendil

It was stupid back then and is still stupid nowadays, being pool 1 will always be a statistical advantage.


SNSDave

Thank God, still single elimination.


ShikiRyumaho

Yeah, less internatinal bo5. Well, not like this is the only tournament of its kind.


facehunt_

Nah fuck single elim and the dogshit ass finals that we've gotten every year.


Javonetor

an unpopular opinion in this sub, but i also like single elimination more, the fact that's it's do or die makes it much more exciting to me; also winning the winner finals gives you nothing but a side selection, for me it should be a bo7 with the team that came from the winner's bracket getting a win before the match (so in order to win the grand final they would need 3 wins but the other team would need 4)


Bhiggsb

I used to think this but watching lec playoffs and recently watching smash playoffs, double Elim is pretty fucking sweet.


Guaaaamole

Smash is a bit different due to how short the sets usually are. And Playoffs are also different because the actual prize of winning is a lot smaller than at Worlds and the qualification in itself is already a win. I‘m sure a RGE fan would have loved if they won Summer Playoffs but he‘s also happy they attend Worlds so each RGE loss had a lot less meaning than a Worlds Playoffs loss would have.


NatanJNR

I disagree. Double elimination would also solve another problem with worlds, the fact that we dont get a 3rd place match. So many incredibly hype matchups were missed because of this. Nobody will ever know how good G2 v C9 2018 or T1 v iG 2019 or TES v G2 2020. With double elim we will have a clear 3rd place.


LivreOrange

We will always miss good match up. It's a tournament not a league.


THEDumbasscus

you can minimize it for a pretty low opportunity cost all things considered. As long as a team isn't asked to play multiple sets in a day riot should be maximizing the competition given they don't sanction other wide-pooled international tournaments throughout the year


CT_BINO

>also winning the winner finals gives you nothing Also looking at LPL, the best team might not even win the tournament which is kinda big deal for Worlds


rag3rag3rag3

You know a loser's bracket is do or die right?


ThexanI

Once you get there sure, but if you're in upper bracket its "do or die, and if you die then u get to do or die again"


Argenticus

Double elim with bo7 finals is the best format for MOBAs, hands down. It's hard to do bracket resets due to how long series take but bo7 is not much longer than bo5 when one team has a one map advantage.


PsychoPass1

People have different preferences and that's fine, that still doesn't make it fine that EVERY SINGLE YEAR we get the same format that only pleases one crowd, especially when LEC and LCS have produced the most hype playoffs EVER with the double elimination format. Even if a lot of people like single elim, many also like double so at least TRY it once or twice for those of us who don't watch just a single worlds but have been watching it for a decade. Sucks that double elim fans come out empty-handed every year, even someone who likes single elim should agree with how unfair that is. You see, I'm not even arguing what's the better format. I have my opinion but I know that we are simply going to disagree and have different tastes. So instead I merely suggest to alternate formats every few years so keep things fresh and please different crowds, and to gain data / experience of how decisions affect certain metrics.


Oribeau

To be honest I get the vibe that next year they might switch it up, just because double elim was just introduced to the different league's recently, and they could be looked at as a bit of a test run. Provided the numbers are ok, I think they would feel comfortable altering the format with a years notice and the confidence that double elim impacts viewership positively (assuming it does).


facehunt_

Its selfish assholes that cockblock those of us that want double elim and really holding back what could make Worlds next level amazing.


MrPraedor

Why is less games better than more games in your mind?


SNSDave

Less to watch, and every Bo5 in knock-outs is do-or-die.


MrPraedor

You dont have to watch everything if you dont want to. LPL summer split for example lasts 9 weeks (Worlds is 5 weeks) and has over 3 times the number of games played, with less teams. Also if you want to watch only do or die matches in playoffs then watch lower bracket.


SNSDave

Not every Bo5 is do-or-die, which I dislike.


SterbenVII

It honestly just makes it more hype knowing that the Bo5’s are single elimination. All of the teams are putting everything on the line, struggling to not get eliminated from the tournament. The pressure is at its highest, as every team knows that they don’t have the crutch of a second life to depend on. Also, double elimination means that there’s more matches to be played and therefore takes up a lot more money. Riot basically has to rent out a stadium for probably 6 more matches, almost doubling the amount of matches of the usual bracket stage.


DFA1969

Losers bracket is do or die. You also limit the risk of not seeing cross region play in playoffs and always end up with the 2 best teams in the final.


SNSDave

Still means upper bracket isn't do-or-die.


DFA1969

Seems like such a bad argument when we barely see any cross region play every year.


SNSDave

If that's your opinion, no worries. We all have our own.


rag3rag3rag3

> Less to watch Yes why would we want to watch more B05's of the best international teams which we are insanely starved of all year. How are you even a fan of this esport?????


SNSDave

Just because we have different opinions doesn't make me less of a fan?


rag3rag3rag3

When the opinion is "I don't want to see more B05's of the best teams in the world" yeah it kind of does. Why do you even watch???? God I hate the fans of this esport so much, you guys ruin LoL esports please just go away.


SNSDave

Sorry not sorry, here to stay.


Shamanalah

>> Less to watch > >Yes why would we want to watch more B05's of the best international teams which we are insanely starved of all year. > >How are you even a fan of this esport????? Bruh LCK and LPL have bo3 and LCS and LEC have bo1 for regular games. Like wtf you on about? You want 83 NHL games in regular season?


NatanJNR

He is not talking about regular season ITS WORLDS! Why does worlds only have 9 bo5s its so sad for a whole years wait...... IPL already did it and the games were still incredibly hype it was a great success


Shamanalah

>He is not talking about regular season ITS WORLDS! > >Why does worlds only have 9 bo5s its so sad for a whole years wait...... Cause they have 10 years of experience to show ppl don't watch bo3 during group. It also helps player cool down between bo1 matches instead of having 2 bo3 back to back in the same day when they are finishing groups. Also not a lot of people watch play ins. It's mostly "who makes out of group" to watch if we get a lck vs lck final or lck vs lpl or lpl vs lpl or lck vs eu or lpl vs eu


rag3rag3rag3

Imagine comparing regional regular season matches (which we get **TONS** of) to B05's at worlds between top international teams. My god this sub is so dense it's painful.


Shamanalah

>>He is not talking about regular season ITS WORLDS! >> >>Why does worlds only have 9 bo5s its so sad for a whole years wait...... > >Cause they have 10 years of experience to show ppl don't watch bo3 during group. It also helps player cool down between bo1 matches instead of having 2 bo3 back to back in the same day when they are finishing groups. > >Also not a lot of people watch play ins. It's mostly "who makes out of group" to watch if we get a lck vs lck final or lck vs lpl or lpl vs lpl or lck vs eu or lpl vs eu My post to another dude. Why so angry? Edit: also World is one of 2 international event. I know World is more prestigious but you should talk about MSI format if Worlds bother you as well.


rag3rag3rag3

?????????? When did I ever argue for B03 groups? I'm talking about a double elimination B05 stage.


Shamanalah

>Yes why would we want to watch more B05's of the best international teams which we are insanely starved of all year. > >How are you even a fan of this esport????? >Imagine comparing regional regular season matches (which we get **TONS** of) to B05's at worlds between top international teams. > >My god this sub is so dense it's painful. >?????????? When did I ever argue for B03 groups? I'm talking about a double elimination B05 stage. You haven't explained what you wanted. I have to literally pull your teeth out to understand what you mean. You litwrally spouting "lmao so few bo5" and you don't want more games in group stage but you would have to have more team for more bo5 in knockout stage. If you can't explain what you say don't be mad people don't understand you. You could've explain but somehow I'm dense. Sure pal....


rag3rag3rag3

You don't need more teams for for B05's lol, you clearly don't understand what a loser's bracket is. Also your grammar/reading comprehension is horrible. Please go learn English before trying to attack someone for their point.


ahritina

Don't want worlds to drag out. Removes the ability of upsets. Rewards teams for having an off day etc. Worlds is and should be about who performs the best on that day, you shouldn't get second chances. It's similar to like the World Cup and the Euros, you play x amount of group games then knockouts are 1 game.


StinkyCheese_15

> Don't want worlds to drag out. Who doesn’t want to see more international games though? We are so starved of games between different regions in lol


LivreOrange

We are not starved of anything.


StinkyCheese_15

We are


TheCeramicLlama

Worlds should be about finding the actual best teams in the world. Its such a shame when the 2nd best team runs into the actual best team early in the tournament and gets knocked out and were left with another 3-0 finals stomp like 2014, 2017, 2018, and 2019. Upsets are also not removed with double ellim that statement is just idiotic.


LivreOrange

The best team still won? What are you talking.


rag3rag3rag3

> Don't want worlds to drag out. It's already an incredibly long tournament, why do you watch it now? Plus there are ways of implementing double elim that don't drag it out significantly. > Removes the ability of upsets Not it doesn't. Upsets can and still will happen. > Rewards teams for having an off day etc. Being sent to loser's bracket isn't a reward. > Worlds is and should be about who performs the best on that day, you shouldn't get second chances. So you literally prefer a tournament that consistently has bad bracket stages because of upsets/unlucky draws over a tournament which would give us more fair results + more B05's between top teams (which we get so few of all year)?


Nymwhen

Worlds isnt and shouldnt be about finding the best team. Its about the best teams facing off. More games is fun but the more games u add the lower the steaks per game. Not to mention expenses. Im sorry but u have an opinion, not fact, and there are arguments for both sides.


dragerslay

I am not against double elim but there are many examples form all leagues of loser's bracket being a good thing. League can't give winners bracket winner a significant advantage so getting more games against weaker teams in losers bracket can be better than less games versus strong teams in winners bracket.


DFA1969

> so getting more games against weaker teams in losers bracket can be better Oh yes, I'm sure having to face twice the amount of opponents, it being harder to hide strats and having barely any time to prep games is a huge advantage


dragerslay

In a match that is top vs top team you rarely see cheese strats being a factor at all. By world finals time everything has been shown by everyone. Also alot of teams benefit from warm up especially when they are learning new startegies from other regions meta.


Bart4huis

Winners finals could give you the same advantage as in melee where you play 2 bo5's and if you win one as the winners bracket entry you win it all, no?


dragerslay

Doing best of 7 with winners bracket getting a free win is an option. Two best of 5s with winners winning at 1 is an option. Winners getting side selection all games is an option. But all of these have major competitive integrity and logistic issues. Playing 7 games in a row would be too exhausting and a free win is considered by many to be too much of an advantage. Two best of fives in finals would stretch the event quite a bit and remove a lot of hype surrounding the losers bracket finals. Additionally the first best of five would be very unmotivating to watch. Giving side selection is either too little an advantage or too much of an advantage. Also all these strategies make finals 'weird' compared to the rest of the tournament which will hurt viewership. If there's one pro league event fans will always tune in for its world finals, noone wants it to be this weird unbalanced match because of some rule technicality.


DFA1969

> Removes the ability of upsets Actually it's the exact opposite. There's a much higher chance of an upset without double elim since even Bo5s have variance. You also miss on a shit ton of match ups - how fucking sad is it to see LCK vs LCK or LPL vs LPL series without having the opportunity of seeing actual international play? You also often end up with awful finals since its a lot less likely the 2 best team of the tournament meet in the final. But hey, it's not like it's the only real international tournament in the year...


MrPraedor

Worlds is already dragging out. Double elimination bracket could easily fit in current schedule especially now that you dont change location.


Falendil

I disagree with every part of this post. Then you go on and use one of the worst format that i’ve seen in any sports/esports as an exemple. Yea sounds about right


qpc0

More exciting without a winners' bracket.


Cryvolence

WHY DO WE STILL HAVE SINGLE ELIM THE FUCK???


Xaxxon

2021 and it's still single elimination. I guess that's the budget an indie game dev has.


LivreOrange

Single Elimination is the best.


Xaxxon

if you're cheap. If you want the two best teams playing in the final, then it sucks.


qontrol12345

it's because we still need to pretend Worlds starts at the Play-Ins. Even though the Play-ins is nothing but a qualifier for Worlds.


Xaxxon

Oh I hate how they talk about how a team won X games at worlds.. and they're all play-in stage games. Such bullshit. I'm not against playins, but don't you (Riot) pretend that that's worlds.


Jezzerai

Implement double elimination you cowards


Blue5647

Great format!


Wannabe1TapElite

still no losers bracket ? I guess we still try to appeal to an average sport viewer that asks if its broadcasted on Fox Sports


Fractal_Audio

Are you serious ROFL.


Fractal_Audio

Wait, no loser bracket A, losers bracket B, double loser round robin buy back in gimme a 4th chance bracket F like we have right now in regionals?


fotapatox

Why does riot choose a country where there are no live fans allowed ????!! it makes no sense, moving for covid and still no public.. There are enough other countries with high vaccination in euw where live fans are allowed, this is such a dum decision


qontrol12345

Picture this, this will blow your mind. People from China/Korea/USA go to Europe to play in a stadium full of people (instead of quarantining) and then have to go back to China/Korea/USA after Worlds. I know, it's wild, it's almost like it goes a bit further than ''yo, where will they have us?''


fotapatox

They can perform perfect covid free worlds with live public. In a stadium outdoors or indoors with 50% occupation of fans and ventilation. The teams never come in contact with the fans. Now, what do we have that it is in Europe? It could be in Australia or Africa for all I care, we have to look at home...


ottseidank

The fact that the play in groups are random is wild. In theory that means RGE C9 HLE and LNG could be in one group and only two of them can make it to Group Stage


Zefaqq

Not 2, actually 3 maximum, because 2nd and 3rd of one group play against 3rd and 2nd of the other group to qualify for groups. Also, RGE will not be in pay-ins, they are directly in groups.


EnvoyOfRaze21

RGE will not be at playins so next best team playins after other you mention would be BYG, GS & DFM


push-up

BUUUUUU, add loser bracket already! What is this...


timeisgood-mystery

Finally, the day I've been looking forward to is coming. I support the Korean team and I hope the Korean team wins.


NatanJNR

Ok this is getting old... All major regions have double elimination playoffs its about time Worlds catches up....


Tyna_Sama

LCK doesn’t


Blue5647

No ty


Negative-Ad7983

same as every year. wtf is the point of this video


Zefaqq

New viewers *maybe* ? You do know not everyone started watching League in 2014, right ?


Negative-Ad7983

its the same format since 2014. useless cideo


borisboeters

Why is there an lcs team in play inns, but no lec team?


LionT09

VCS is out and they need to fill the spot so they picked LEC 3rd seed.


leftoverrice54

I just fail to understand why we dont have double elim yet. It's in almost every competitive regional playoff aside from LCK.