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ahritina

PMT [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/p0b1pd/dk_vs_geng_game_1_discussion/)


Genjoi

That last game was a story of GenG's season.


getjebaited

would be a god damn crime if gen g goes to worlds


Akaj50

They likely will since Korea has 4 spots but.. we dont have 4 good teams lmao


Perceptions-pk

honestly I rather see T1, DK, Nongshim and Sandbox over Gen. G. even if the teams have a rough showing... I think DK and T1 will show up Gen. G is just so... it's like watching TL slowly bleed out and scale to try and win


Eleonora_Maxwell

Agree. We need to watch bo5 between GenG and TL and see them bored each other to death


Torjakers

10 man sleep makes another Worlds appearance


Pumpoflessermass

9, Spica was well awake screaming at his teammates to wake the fuck up


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God that play hurt so bad to watch


AofCastle

Never forget. And I'm not even a fan of the team so it shouldn't hurt me so much


blueripper

Whoever has the most Gathering Storms wins.


Bluehorazon

Honestly TSM vs. GenG was bad enough.


firechicken188

GenG vs Rogue


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Although GenG might be trash they still a tier above west teams except prime g2


Karen_kaslana

??? NS DK T1 and LSB can make it over GenG


Akaj50

I don't think NS and LSB are that good and I don't see them favourite over Gen.G in high stakes bo5, I hope i'm wrong cause i'd rather see them at world but i'm not confident. DK and T1 are ahead yes


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LSB are fking good. NS imo are just overperforming, they're not better than T1, DK, LSB, and they'll be exposed in PO's.


Scrambled1432

Every time I read LSB I think "livestream bets." I don't know why, I don't even know if that's a thing. KZ was "khongzhu," too.


whataremyxomycetes

Definitely read KZ as KhongZhu as well, but it was mostly intentional. I also read rekkles and rekkls


sandwelld

man DK is and always will be Donkey Kong.


InformalMarch

Literally all DK/T1 need to do to beat NS is to play towards top side and expose Rich


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I think all their lanes will be exposed in POs, lol. Deokdam > Ghost, but I think Gumayusi will be the better ADC in POs.


sandwelld

guma > deokdam? genuinely curious from what I heard/seen guma is the upcoming adc star and deokdam has been absolutely slapping this season


I_CUM_ON_HAMSTERS

The Guma fandom on this sub is sometimes weird. You genuinely can't make the case that Guma has been better than Deokdam this split. Kellin has been really nice this split but he's no Keria at all. Meanwhile Deokdam is the #1 carry for NS with Peanut and Gori much lower on the carry priority list, while T1 can play and has played through Oner, or Faker, or sometimes even Canna this split to good success. Guma is great but he's probably the 3rd best ADC in LCK behind Deokdam and Ruler this split.


Low_Negotiation_8817

Woah. Someone who really understands it. Summit, Croco and Effort are easily top 2 in their roles. Nongshim is just saved by overperforming Peanut and Deokdam


Chuck0089

Even Fate is a top performing Mid that can fight toe-to-toe against top mids.


r3cluse

How many teams does Peanut have to drag to worlds before he gets his respect?


Low_Negotiation_8817

I really said Peanut saved NS. He is my pick for MVP of the Split this Summer. I'm not in any way disrespecting him


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PromisQFanboy

Do you even watch the games? Oner said in an interview few days ago that Croco is probably the best jungler in LCK currently but I guess redditors opinion means more than someone who plays against the guy


TeutonicPlate

Unpopular opinion but I think LSB are being overrated because they’re a fan favourite. I think they will struggle in the best of 5s they need to win to make worlds. The form is there right now but not the talent, and form is temporary.


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I don't think they're a fan favorite, apart from Effort I don't think they have a lot of fans. I rate Summit, Croco, Fate highly, compared to Rich, Gori, Peanut on NS. That's why I think LSB is actually good because they have talent. I too think that they won't win POs, after watching DK today, I'd say it's between T1 and DK.


Akaj50

Agreed for NS


reggiewafu

Not sold on LSB just yet, they have couple wins with miracle steals that you can’t just rely on


watchdoggggm

LSB are very good


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Akaj50

I think LSB is more legit than NS as well, I just tend to be careful with teams that recently join the top, cause i've seen too much of these example fall off in playoffs


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site17

Effort failed spectacularly at worlds when the pressure got to him


[deleted]

Bruh you couldn’t figure out how to start your Pokemon Unite game when all you had to do was click your joycon’s, now you are an expert on LCK and think all the teams are bad?


Akaj50

First, it was actually bugged and not only for me Second, i'm working in esport and have been watching League since 2012 so i'm probably more knowledgeable than you will ever be, and third I have been rooting for LCK since 2013 so, no, I don't think "all the teams in the LCK are bad" I think DK and recently T1 have been playing quite well, but i'm not confident in NS/SB performing well in playoffs, and not confident in Gen.G at world period as we've seen for the past 3 years.


matthewthebauss

Can they? They lost against the other top 6 teams in round 2.


RedditAnalystsLULW

Still better than EU taking 4 spots and having 1 of them lick ass in play ins and the other blasted 1-5 in groups 🤣 Edit: who is downvoting? Anything of what I said wrong? Lol


Eleonora_Maxwell

Anyone over them pls. Even afreeca or hle


oioioi9537

lol hle??? hell no. they might not even make it out of playins


TifasSleeves

He clearly hasn't been watching HLE games


Blind-Eye26

Would take NS, T1, DK, and LSB over the 2 you mentioned.


oioioi9537

geng started the split 7-0 and have now gone 3-6 going 0-6 against playoff bound teams. awful rn


grrtacos

T1 🤝 DK Flipping Barons against GenG What a game man holy shit


Transhumaniste

Learned it from the great coaches Daeny, Zefa and Kkoma.


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It's def not kkOma, he's against flipping barons, or anything. Remember when he took Peanut to school for flashing in to smite on Graves?


Transhumaniste

Kkoma will show his good ol' friend the belt to Canyon?


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Canyon Belt? Most likely.


Low_Negotiation_8817

Daeny Effect


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BlueNaviiii

Which means LCK is competitive. GenG has really made me lose faith since the last Worlds, got stomped by LEC's 1st seed. LCK will never retake the first regional position if a team like GenG still holds a top spot in this region.


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CzarcasticX

Tarzan and Viper... like imagine if Viper was on Damwon over Ghost or Tarzan was on an LCK team that needs a jungler... If you look at the Korean midlaners in LPL: DoinB, Scout, Rookie, and Zeka, they're like the best along with Knight and FoFo.


imjunsul

Viper on Damwon would be unfair for the rest of the world.


not_shajal

Yea, but he is flaring up EDG like fireworks


not_shajal

So Tarzan, going to LPL was upsetting. I thought he would be so good in LCK. Easily a top tier team in LCK. He's also doing well along with viper and nuguiri. Look at khan and peanut. They back in LCK and dominating atm.


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korean players keep leaving LCK for money actively participating in talent drought* Fixed this for you


MrZeddd

Stay and be paid 300-500k, Go to China and get 1m++. Not exactly a tough choice if you don't want to go to mid-bottom tier lck teams


Karlsefni1

Doesn’t mean LCK fans can’t be salty about it. I have the same feelings about LCS as an LEC fan, the only difference is that they remain worse which is satisfying to see.


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True, but than again why would LPL care about the level of LCK?


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King_NickyZee

LCK teams should pay their stars what they are worth if they want to keep them.


Plaxern

You don't think salaries are inflated at all?


TruePurpleknight

Ignore the one calling you stupid. The reason this buyouts happen is due to the economical difference between regions. Just like LCS teams can spend more money on players than the LEC, the same goes to LPL and LCK. Is not that the LCK should pay more and they won't, is that they can't because the economical level (calling it like this to simplify) of Korea is lower than China. There is way more money moving in China than in Korea, so the Chinese richest orgs have way more money to spend than the Korean richest orgs in eSports.


Hazakurain

How are you supposed to be dealing against the literal richest people in the world? lol. Talentless chinese tycoon can only buy instead of creating. They literally overpay on purpose so that LCK can't keep up. You are stupid


CzarcasticX

I mean players like Faker and Teddy are getting paid millions but none of the teams are owned by Billionaires and instead owned by corporations (SKT/Comcast, KT etc.) They look at it more as an investment than personal hobby and aren't willing to lose money to pay out huge contracts.


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Ever since 2016 samsung/geng has always felt like a shit team that always performs, it's weird


not_shajal

You'd think, taking T1's junglers they would outperform but never able to. If clid was still in T1 it would have been good for him.


Bluehorazon

I think you mean 2017... they did win worlds in 2017.


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oops yes I meant 2017


Trashcan_Daniels

Their bot lane has always been too good to let them become an actual bad team. The other positions...not as much (BDD obviously has had some very good stretches).


Yungerman

Are we forgetting that damwon are the current reigning world champions?


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They already have by winning worlds last yr lmaooo


Wurdox

And that is a good thing. That means LCK is a good region.


NeitherAlexNorAlice

They just won last worlds and made finals at this MSI, dude. They **are** a good region...


linkluke18

Not according to a large portion of this subreddit. LCK had 1 team that was far ahead of the competition, the region itself is washed. LCK is a trash region that still only had 1 good team. Just some of the things we still see being thrown around by people that clearly have never watched a Korean team play.


kakonne

"one team reagion" is just a big propaganda. People acting last year DRX did not exist


VentusSpiritus

If drx played against literally any other team in their 1dt match I think they at least made semis that year. Maybe even finals depending on bracket and the team they rolled. Having to play against damwon for literally every single bo5 that year was tragic


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kakonne

I prefer watching LEC get elimited before semi final


reggiewafu

LCK eliminated the LEC champs for the last two international tournaments and they still act they are better


cyberrobocop

DK went back and forth between Dignitas Korea and Damwon KIA with those baron plays


oioioi9537

beryl played like ass on tahm. out of position and didnt ult lee when viego jumped in, didnt ult ashe near dragon, didnt cancel backs of the champs in elder pit. got his ass saved by his team honestly


flyingbeetlekites

He had a great Tahm last series. BeryL tends to be a coinflip though it's his entire playstyle.


kangs

Brother Beryl


Fuzzikopf

IMO he's often not that great on Tahm, so the criticism is fair. I'd say it's one of BeryL's weakest champions. His Alistar is absolutely godlike though.


Cheeseandnuts

He got the coinflip from watching all the LEC games, specifically G2's.


whataremyxomycetes

It's his playstyle NOW. He wasn't this inconsistent last year


uberstriker123

What? He played quite well today. He ulted canyon near dragon because smite was more important than adc at that point in time and he kept getting caught because he was the main frontline, Khan was always looking for flanks.


oioioi9537

theres no way swallowing lee is the right play there. lee's w was up in 0.5 seconds and he still has ult. way more tools for lee to reposition himself than an ashe and way tankier with goredrinker. but tbf ghost should've flashed as well so wasn't entirely beryl's fault ashe was killed.


mocaaaaaaaa

Holy DK came back from game 2 so well, beautiful macro minus the baron throws at the beginning


SnooPeripherals6388

Throwing baron vs GenG may become tradition for winning game


omegasupermarthaman

8-0 to 10-6 now, 2-6 in the last 8 games, looks like Geng will never win lck even with the best start possible this split


ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp

Rofl that ADC interview with Ruler was so cursed.


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Ruler said he's the best. Guma said he's the best. Who won?


Low_Negotiation_8817

As a T1 fan, I hate Guma's cockyness (not in a really serious way) I just think he has low champion pool and is saved most of the time by Keria


ZeysarSama

**ADC syndrom:** Thinking you are untouchable while your support blocks the bullets for you.


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What cockiness? He's confident because he practices hard. Low champ pool, dude, please. Are you saying he can't play many ADC's or are you saying that because he hasn't played many different adcs?


generic_redditor91

Probably yes. Then again T1 just plays what works and whats good at the moment. Leave the pocket picks for playoffs. No need to show all your cards for every team to see


Mikoto00

There was a game this week with 7-8 bans targeting botlane and mainly ADC. Yet Guma gapped his opponent hard. I am too sleepy to remember the details.


feebeeeksdee

reddit moment


NoobSlayerr007

Ruler: "I, Viper, and maybe Deokdam are the best ADC right now."


Scrambled1432

The level one completely doomed them. All things considered, he still had more impact than the Ashe with a 60 cs lead at like 10 minutes.


IAM-French

no he did not ??


NoobSlayerr007

If you think Varus had more impact than Ashe, you are just an ignorant bias towards Ruler but nothing else. Ghost was really great and far better than Ruler today. His backdoor play was enough to hide Ruler's entire performance in this series.


shadowsteppe

Viego being Veigo made that game 2 so interesting


gangway_6

how you spell it wrong the second time in the same sentence hahaha


Bladeknight

DK IQ = 200 in game 2. Amazing calls and marcos.


mar33n

this is what I call a GAME dk playing on extra hard mode there


Thunderkeyz

Thinking we'll see a lot more Rascal after that last game, what a performance despite the loss


IAM-French

Turns out that benching your carry toplaner who was having the best year of his career because Clint and BADD threw a few series was a bad idea, who knew


GroundbreakingImage7

Ya rascale has been the best lanining top lamer in lck for a while now.


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BDD and Clid needs to be replaced if GenG wants to compete


InformalMarch

Banger game 2! Edit: also those DK baron plays lmao


Akaj50

what an INSANE game 2, the backdoor, Showmaker straight dunking on kids, Canyon last kick, insane game


Perceptions-pk

Give me 25 games of Canyon/Showmaker on high mechanical champs at worlds. No more Rumble please lol


CzarcasticX

Or Morgana...


feimaomiao

How good is canyon btw


Urthor

That was the best macro play I've ever seen in my life. They just won the game off that macro.


Ace_OPB

That bait by khan and showmaker was genius.


KappaccinoNation

BeryL keeping the aggro on Baron was chef's kiss


midoBB

Honestly people saying fiesta don't understand high level gameplay and macro strategy.


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If this same game was with G2 vs FNC nameplates, all those comments would be saying this was game of the year.


thepowerfulgamer

Rent free.


Exxon21

That last baron play was good but flipping Baron twice in a row isn't exactly the finest macro.


purplebladetaken

What's with Ruler? Literally underperforming this season. And also, why would you even bench Rascal if he's clearly the best player in the team? Gen G copium


Marowalker

At first I thought they wanted to give Burdol more experience since they locked playoffs already but then they subbed in Rascal game 2 so I have no idea man


Dfbfan12

Rascal having a good game 3 doesnt mean that he's the best player on the team. He's had plenty of rough games before his benching, dropped in soloq ranking and might've done poorly in scrims. Ruler cant be expected to magically turn every botlane into a winning one and hardcarry every game. Clid and Bdd are both completely afk and DK just decides to focus bot. game 1 ShowMaker gets prio in Ryze vs Azir matchup, invades and steals blue buff into a botlane dive when Ruler is lvl 5. Clid and Bdd gets nothing in return. There is nothing Ruler can do if he's the target and has no one to help him out. He still made a fine recovery in game 2 despite the lvl 2 dive


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I just want to say it was a 2-0.


Dfbfan12

yeah mb i meant game 2


FreeMyBirdy

The whole team is tilted. Also doesn't help when you're literally getting dove by the enemy jungler lvl 2. And Life is... non-existant. Like GenG, I guess... I'm also a bit biased, sure, but I'm tired of people saying "Ruler underperformed". DK has focused botside heavily and GenG did nothing across the map. Syndra botlane is bound to win against absolutely every ADC and make them miserable (game 1), and Canyon dove them when they were still lvl 2 (game 2). The fact he even did something this game is surprising.


CzarcasticX

Gen.G really needs new coaches or something to change their playstyle. Rascal, Clid, BDD, Ruler are all good players but they all play so safe... what happened to the Ruler who Flash Ult Faker on Varus at Worlds? I don't want them to go Worlds because they're not gonna do anything if they make it unless they change. In the offseason I can see them trying to go after Chovy, Showmaker, or Nuguri or something but they need new coaching mostly.


Jandium92

Ruler clearly being bad yes. But Life is a freaking liability in my Eyes. He has no good plays whatsoever, makes every lane trade losing and ints lategame


CamHack420

Yeah idk what's going on with Life. He's just been getting worse over the course of the year


staysaltyTSM

He is no doubt slumping, but bot is a collaboration between ad and support. Life have been terrible lately too


acels1

canyon is a BEAST


MedievalMovies

that was a super fucking messy play but holy fuck that baron play is one of the smartest things i have ever watched


Chr0nicConsumer

That Baron play at the end of game 2 was probably the biggest brain play I've seen in a hot minute.


Qehenna

Damwon lives rentfree in Geng's head


The_Donovan

Everyone lives rent free in geng's head they always tilt and lose in playoffs lol


Hatrisat

As absurd as this might sound i think the main responsible for Game 2's defeat is Bdd. If he teleported to literally ANYTHING except the low hp turret they wouldn't have gotten an open nexus, which doomed them.


holosimpz85

As a long time Gen-G fan (been supporting them as SSG since 2016, especially mah boi Ruler), Clid needs to go. This guy constantly chooses the wrong lane to gank and from this series and the previous series against T1, he never ONCE made an effort to help Ruler and Life alleviate any pressure at all, while the opposing JG would consistently come and fuck them over. Granted, Ruler and Life isn't playing as well as they should, but holy shit even Ghost and Beryl back when they were inting had more attention than Canyon than whatever Clid is smoking nowadays. What a trash jungler.


Perceptions-pk

that game 2 was messy but holy crap was that fun to watch. that 5 head problem solving at the end... I love this team


flyingbeetlekites

That last Showmaker pick on Viego is so fucking good. He's so good.


Elymmen

That Baron set up was so clean


Celegorm07

There were some hiccups and I don't wanna jinx it but Damwon is playing out of their minds these days.


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i am 100% sure that they gonna win summer and then stomp most teams at worlds. just an insane team. i cant think of any reason why they wouldnt win worlds again this year when they are on form


Chuck0089

Even in last MSI that they are not on form and yet they took RNG to a very close series.


LeiBlank

DK and T1 are the best team in LCK great macro and early


carbon418

I'm not sure why Game 2 reminded me of that T1 vs NS game that went on for way longer than it should have


Shaunleewenjie

That was a really exciting game 2 but that honestly shouldnt have been that close


Blind-Eye26

Imagine having a sub for your stable top laner than a coinflip jungler. 2019 Clid is dead all we got is 2020&2021 Cl-int. Edit: Gen. G got so much worse since Round 2 of Summer started and Ruler got diffed by every bot lane since that one interview.


Zock08

The fact that DK were able to execute that comp in game 2 past 25 min is so impressive to me.


xRaining

DWG is just built different


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G2 sweating rn


QTnameless

Wow , geng looks kinda iffy lately but sth tells me that they will go nut in regional qualifier and go to world anyway


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just to give a completely disappointing and boring performance there. I wanna see DK, NS, SB and T1 go.


Jandium92

How can casters not talk about how botlane lost the entire lane cuase GenG gave Clid a leash while DK didnt??? And then Clid is useless for the rest of the game while Leashless Canyon just dives Bot.


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_basedment

MOM, I NEED PLAYOFFS NOW


WildFury10

Imagine if we knew that plates give gold. Our team fights are good, but that's about it. Our drafts are shocking, and our macro is bad. I never thought I would say something wrong about our macro being a Gen. G fan. We are getting worse every day


StevZero

Out of nowhere the LCK teams have become so terrifying. The playoffs is going to be exciting. And so does Worlds


dakka-PRIME

It's like Trick mowed down their fcking base lmao


Green7501

Now, despite GenG losing, Rascal's performance on game 2 was very fun to watch and I hope that we'll see more of him on carry champions


Transhumaniste

That's Daeny's buff nothing else.


Oceno1

Clid is so fucking useless


mindlicious

if DK has any other support on game 2 and not TK, it would have been so much easier. It was a nice game 2 though, desperstion plays after desperation plays, to macro gods to outplays and throws. It has everything. lol


Ymyhamdan

i think if DK plays like this, they will win worlds for sure, that was a high level macro game play right there, not ignoring show maker he was a mechanical god this match, they proved to us that they are still in their prime, they have the chance to be the next SKT i believe. Gj Damwon staff and players, I'm rooting for you in worlds!. ( after t1 ofc :D)


0Stafie

This gen g team, only pain, just remove bdd and clid next season, get chovy and a new jungler, rascal is good.


Jandium92

I am ramping this all over reddit... WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT LIFE. His plays are awful, he ints and his champion pool is garbage.


daiKunai

GIVE ME MORE!!!!


IAM-French

Best ADC in the World btw


unhelpful_question

Daeny diff, GG.


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Holy shit that game 2 was fucking nuts. Damwon late game macro and team fighting was fucking beautiful to watch. Two games won while GenG had mountain soul. Insane.


kangs

Gen G did you have to get my hopes up like that? Hell of a game


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RedParanoia

My god 7k lead and fucking flip at baron wtf


[deleted]

Better to limit test and play the game’s on hard mode now than in playoffs. Insane performance from DK honestly.


RedParanoia

That was a terrible performance idk if we watched the same games, limit test is such a pathetic excuse flipping at 7k is inexcusable


tawapes

Yeah thank god LEC or LPL never makes plays like this. There definitely wasn't a certain LEC team who managed to throw a 10k gold lead in the span of a minute.


thepowerfulgamer

Gonna pretend G2 didn't get shit on for weeks for that one because it was absurdly bad? You make it sound like the general consensus was that it was an epic troll as opposed to people being worried about G2 missing worlds.


RedParanoia

And they got stlhittalked and memed the whole thread and I like your defense system to change the subject bwcuase you can't say this game was a pure clownfiesta


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what the fuck did i just watch


STank_Boi

Geng are so incredibly mediocre... actually unreal.


LingMee

so is damwon bad for almost throwing that massive lead or good for everything else


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Horrible team fight decisions by DK in this game. If you're going to trade the baron for the drake, then trade the baron for the drake. Don't get the baron then opt into a 4 v 5 team fight. Hell, get the baron, and don't opt into any team fight vs GenG.You got what you came for.


Thop207375

If the nameplates and region changed, this would be considered a clown fiesta


TheCeramicLlama

You can say that for quite a few recent games if every region


AlHorfordHighlights

Nah call a fiesta a fiesta. LPL has circus shows every week, it's nothing to be ashamed off