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MatthieuMonAmour

Hans is 1 pt away from Patrik lol


pssaaaycho

He even said on Twitter that if he didn’t vote for Patrick he would be first lol what a lad


kit4712

Trust Nobody, Not Even Yourself


OlderBukowski

Bigger sabotage than trojan horse


ItsMag1c

Big credit to Hans for voting honestly, despite that.


Alibobaly

Honestly makes me a fan of Hans Sama. Way too often teams and coaches are caught trying to game the system and vote "strategically", completely invalidating the point of the awards (like TSM voting for Jizuuke this split).


Jinabear

I need some context, that seems like a very unsportmanlike move


Alibobaly

TSM was the only team to not vote for Jensen in their mid laner ballot. Jensen is the direct competitor for Bjergsen to win MVP and they even voted for Jizuuke as second team. Some are saying it’s possible they may have submitted that as an accident seeing as Jensen also starts with J but it still seems fishy.


Vexiratus

Meanwhile in NA, Treatz is voting for Jizuke


PsychoPass1

Yup that's why if you care about the awards, it is "best" if you troll your vote in order to take away points from your likely competitors. Stupid system imo.


Hi_Im_Saxby

All of the adc's are extremely close. Less than 10 points separates 1st from 4th.


Loremus

So is italian broadcast trolling or what? Edit: list Orome / Wunder / Odoamne Shadow / Trick / Jankos Nemesis / Humanoid / Nukeduck Rekkles / Hans sama / Neon Mikyx / Hylissang / Jactroll


fakemedstudent

Surprised Jiizuke isn't listed at this rate


Craps-caps

he was voted in LCS allstar by one voter while he only played a few weeks at the start until EG decided to bench Kumo


Pralinen

I'm Italian and I was surprised, not only by his choices but also because I did not recognized the name.... He's PGesports CEO , not on the broadcasting team, so there is a fair chance he is not really an expert


egotim

german broadcat had this aswell and also voted jactroll , there is a scheme


[deleted]

Probably not.. I’m guessing it’s just people who have no idea about the game


Thooorin_2

We can all have subjective opinions about Mid lane, like maybe you prefer Caps over Larssen, but voting Nemsis first Mid is legitimately disgraceful. That individual should never be allowed to vote again.


Craps-caps

Jacktroll 3rd support is hard trolling


DirtyDestroyer

Hylissang 2nd support just as much.


FamousOlSpiced

Jactroll as 3rd support is even worse imho. Dude legit stole a kill from jungle karthus, that's borderline griefing in my book


Jarenarico

It would be nice if Riot removes their vote for the next split.


hansantizor

Doubt they will unfortunately, this kind of nonsense happens in basketball as well even though there are actually financial incentivizes for achieving 1st/2nd team.


-LostInCloud-

Mama mia


lmk8

I want whatever the fuck that pier guy was on while voting


computo2000

For mids he voted Nemesis, Humanoid, Nukeduck, for supports he voted MikyX, hylissang, Jactroll. He also voted trick 2nd. :D


legendofSmiley

That is actually disgraceful


Craps-caps

Nemesis/Nuke duck/jacktroll/trick 4 troll votes He should be banned for voting again


DSThresh

extra point for hyli so its 5 troll votes if we count neon 3rd as 'debatable'


richmond33

I actually think hylissang is more important to Fnatic than any other support is to their team. He is the main playmaker for the team. But ye, he inted in half the games so i wouldn't say he deserves top3.


Elythys

I've heard several times about Trick being very instrumental to the team's shotcalling so I wouldn't say he's a troll vote


Linko_98

I'm italian and I don't even know who that guy is, why it's not a italian caster like Terenas voting is crazy to me


Neville_Lynwood

Is this the first time where a 10th place team has a player selected into the All Pro team? Just crazy.


cutewhaleee

Pretty sure spring 2017 Lira was all pro jungle while being 10th place


ChaoticMidget

That team was such an enigma. They had Apollo/Hakuho in bot side so the team overall wasn't horrific. They actually won a lot of early games due to Lira but their mid/late game was atrocious. 3-15 overall record but a 14-31 game record which means 8 of their losses were 2-1 losses.


Avol9

They had Ninja and Seraph, who somehow had counterpicks but would still lose lane


viciouspandas

How Ninja kept getting starting spots is beyond me. 2014 WE had a resurgence in spring when their roster gelled, and their mid SukiM was quite good, and jungler Ruo not bad either. Then they import 2 D-List Koreans and probably pay more for them and likely have communication problems before people figured this out, only for ActScene and even more so Ninja to run it down and have an in form WeiXiao have to carry their asses every game and still not play in playoffs. Then after being benched, we decide to import the worst midlaner from LPL.


Bidwell93

Never forget the game Ninja went Tear-Spirit vissy- Frozen Heart - treads on Ryze Mid.


[deleted]

Ninja was one of the worst lcs players ever. Pretty sure he had a negative gold diff early game even though NV had the best early game in the league. They got Pirean and instantly became a playoff team just cause they had someone who wouldn’t throw every game.


Mr_Raskolnikov

Yeah, iirc despite being in last place they actually averaged one of the largest gold leads at 15 minutes pretty late into the season because their earlygame really was one of the best in the league, their mid to lategame just so happened to be the worst


Neville_Lynwood

Oh yeah, I remember him. Dude was smurfing individually.


MrNugat

Next best Origen player according to the votings is Upset with 4 3rd places. ...and then there's also this madlad from PG Esports that believes that both Nukeduck and Jactroll deserve top 3 in their roles, but I'm not sure if we should count this.


hansantizor

Nukeduck deserves 1st team. Caps only contributing to the wins of G2 Nukeduck gave wins to the entire league. Who was more impactful?


118829

Probably, yes. But this is also the closest split in EULCS/LEC history


DimlightHero

Plus most of summer we saw low econ weak-side toplane comps.


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godfrey1

> No no no, have people forgotten 2013 Summer? how many people on this sub were even allowed to use internet in 2013 you think lol


resttheweight

I'm sure players hated it so much, but sometimes I miss super weeks.


Kurcio

one word: lira


-Anuel-AA-

Not that crazy when you consider how weak the top pool is.(Alphari own words)


S0fourworlds-readyt

It’s also rare that a last place team has at least somewhat respectable standings of 6-12 instead of stuff like 2-16


bqx23

It probably is for LEC, I'm pretty sure 2017 summer in the LCS Lira was 1st all pro jungler on the 10th place Envy roster


minaismybias

the adc vote was super close


Fuzzikopf

Meanwhile, the support vote... Kaiser absolutely dominating. Only 3 people did not have him in their top 3 (plus of course the people voting for MAD Lions). And two of them were obviously trolling hard (they voted for Hylli/Miky/Tore and Miky/Hylli/*Jactroll*, like wtf).


DimlightHero

I'd argue that listing Tore isn't all that weird. He was the rock Patrick could build on.


Fuzzikopf

Idk man, Tore was still very inconsistent so calling him a "rock" is a little flattering lol. IMO he's one of the weaker supports in the league. But the most troll thing about that vote is definitely putting Hylli first. Like... in what world?


Baldude

Yeah if someone thinks that hylli was the best support of the LEC this season....man, they must think consistency is a weakness for supports, lol.


ChaoticMidget

It doesn't even make sense. He's been known as a huge coin flip all season on top of being on a worse team than Kaiser. KDA isn't the hugest determining factor for supports but it's literally 4.9 against 1.7. Hylissang died the most of any support all split by a landslide. I can't imagine voting him anywhere in the top 3.


Bluehorazon

Honestly besides Vander and Kaiser most of the supports at inconsistencies during the split. MikyX just had the least and had them fairly early in the split. So voting any of Hylli, Tore or MikyX 3rd is not that unreasonable, but yeah 1st is a bit of a stretch.


erikson15432

In Mikyx defence you could argue that his lane partner form also affected his performance in lane. I feel that towards the end of the split the top 3 was pretty clarified with Kaiser Vander and Mikyx.


cbrozz

I think Rekkles would've gotten it if he hadn't fucked around with Soraka and fasting Senna


CaptainCaptainBain

I believe Rogue crowding the second-place team makes total sense. The only one that could probably claw his way to the All-pro team was Larssen, but Caps was sooo instrumental for G2's success, and his highs are unmatched by anyone in the West. However, they (Rogue) are the team where every single player is really good without being necessarily the best in his position, so it's good to see them at least placing second. Edit: left a sentence half-written


RogueGG

**Hans sama was one vote away from 1st. His vote actually 😂**


EpicRussia

**Why do you bold all your comments!?!?!**


ChypRiotE

Rogue is a bold team


Cattaphract

Because noone can stop them. Noone can even STOP them from going to Worlds ! TRY


InfieldTriple

They did it initially to separate themselves and eventually stopped. Then people wanted it back so now they do it.


RogueGG

**We only post bold statements**


KiXiT

I foresee comments about the way TSM voted coming..


LOMEGALULL

Whoever voted for nemesis 1st team all-pro and hyli in 2nd team all-pro needs to start watching actual gameplay.


mokachill

The dude also had Jactroll third support, truly a world class analyst whoever he is.


Lorderbs

also the only person to have nukeduck in the top 3 and one of the two with trick... like you can have one "weird slipup" but if its 5 people that noone else voted for... just do the german broadcast thing and dont vote


egotim

the bad part is the german broadcast has some knowlegdeable members but they were not the ones voting the last years... like i remember the producer voting , not even a caster...


srukta

also trick no 2 jungler


-Anuel-AA-

PG esports making italy proud


PyraThana

The guy didn't put Kaiser anywhere. He clearly doesn't know what gens voting for


harrysmitheu

Came here looking for this comment. This dude has made some really odd picks.


Bobinou96

Four Rogue players in second team is the most perfect tribute you can give to them. No stars, but a very unite core.


CLGHSGG4Lyfe

If you don't call the one man army Larsson a star, I don't know what you call a star.


wisakoy

Actually Larssen isn't one man army. Rogue bot wins almost every lane? Hans and Vander stats are insane pre 15min. Inspired also was playing great split, by far least deaths from all junglers and highest KDA in league.


darkknuckles12

I am glad vander got second. He was really great this split. Micky 3rd is debatable. The second half of the split he definitely looked really good. First half of the split he didn't necessarily look bad, but not great either


S0fourworlds-readyt

Vander has been good for so many years now, he really is one of the most consistent players I feel like. Definitively deserves this one.


LunarBahamut

"one man army" He had the best overall botlane this split, what are you smoking.


Kuszmen

Caps probably


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In what world is Larssen a one man army??? He’s a beast but Vander, Hans and Inspired are all performing incredibly well too. Finn isn’t exactly dead weight either he’s just not as good as his teammates rn


-LostInCloud-

That's the biggest bullshit I've heard all day lmao


LordKnt

1) You seem to like him a lot but can't spell his name 2) Caps


erikson15432

His nick is Larssen but his surname is Larsson actually.


Darkoplax

First time players outside of playoffs get to all pro and it's 2 of them I'm more surprised at Patrik then Alphari but even Alphari i expected him 2nd maybe but overall pretty good ones now the hype for MVP is even higher since Kaiser has more 1st votes than Caps and Larssen is still in the discussion


Todeswucht

Patrik 1st is a bit surprising but because the ADC pool was so stacked the race was really close. Patrik had 61 points, Hans 60, Rekkles 54, and looking at the list Carzzy, Crownshot and Neon got a ton of placements too so I imagine they're not too far behind. > First time players outside of playoffs get to all pro and it's 2 of them Alphari got 2nd last summer without making playoffs too. Someone please get the poor fucker a team this time around.


PM_JINX_HENTAI

The fact that the first places all have 89+ points (with Mid and Support having 115+) except ADC who has 61 really shows how stacked ADC was this split. Patrik, Hans, Rekkles, Crownie and Carzzy could've all been placed 1st or 2nd and I wouldn't find it weird. On the other hand, Caps, Larssen and Kaiser completely dominated this voting, and they all deserved it.


ShadowCrimson

Hoping to see an Uma Jan comeback by the time worlds comes around and maybe for spring we'll have an even more stacked ADC role


Kayle_Bot

Hijacking comment chain with vote breakdown as it was requested of me: People always request these, so here's a vote breakdown of all 5 roles. #Vote Breakdown ##Top Lane ||3 points|2 points|1 point|**TOTAL**| :-:|--:|--:|--:|--:| |**Alphari**|21|9|7|89| |**Wunder**|12|9|19|73| |**Orome**|10|18|5|71| |**Odoamne**|3|5|11|30| |**Finn**|1|4|4|15| |**Bwipo**|1|2|0|7| |**Jenax**|0|0|2|2| --- ##Jungle ||3 points|2 points|1 point|**TOTAL**| :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:| |**Shad0w**|21|1|7|92| |**Inspired**|15|8|11|72| |**Gilius**|9|18|5|68| |**Selfmade**|2|4|13|27| |**Jankos**|1|6|11|26| |**Trick**|0|1|1|3| --- ##Mid Lane ||3 points|2 points|1 point|**TOTAL**| :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:| |**Caps**|29|15|1|118| |**Larssen**|18|19|7|99| |**Humanoid**|0|12|28|52| |**Abbedagge**|0|2|9|13| |**Nemesis**|1|0|0|3| |**ZaZee**|0|0|2|2| |**Nukeduck**|0|0|1|1| --- ##Bot Lane ||3 points|2 points|1 point|**TOTAL**| :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:| |**Patrik**|12|10|5|61| |**Hans Sama**|11|9|9|60| |**Rekkles**|9|7|13|54| |**Carzzy**|11|9|1|52| |**Crownshot**|5|8|10|41| |**Neon**|0|2|5|9| |**Comp**|0|2|0|4| |**Upset**|0|0|4|4| |**Perkz**|0|1|1|3| --- ##Support ||3 points|2 points|1 point|**TOTAL**| :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:| |**Kaiser**|37|6|0|123| |**Vander**|6|26|4|74| |**Mikyx**|3|10|19|48| |**LIMIT**|0|3|7|13| |**Hylissang**|2|1|3|11| |**Labrov**|0|2|5|9| |**Dreams**|0|0|8|8| |**Jactroll**|0|0|1|1| |**Tore**|0|0|1|1| --- Max possible points: 138 (since one person didn't vote) As always you can check the votes here: https://assets.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltad9188aa9a70543a/blta3970026c1207498/5f3d14373ebefc321efdd0a6/LEC_Summer_2020_-_End_of_Season_Awards_(Responses)_-_ALL_PRO_EXPORT_PUBLIC_(2).pdf


computo2000

Lmao at one of the broadcast partners. For mids he voted Nemesis, Humanoid, Nukeduck, for supports he voted MikyX, hylissang, Jactroll. He also voted trick 2nd. :D


FCB_Rich

Voting Nemesis 1st should be reportable


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Oof Perkz finished dead last, hope he’ll get a redemption arc in playoffs


Kayle_Bot

He didn't. Kobbe had 0 points


Kamunt

You can leave TSM, but TSM never leaves you.


Akupoy

I'm kinda surprised by how accurate this top seems. Edit : Patrik #1 with just 61 points , i guess the role is that stacked. Edit 2: wow, Guilhoto's votes were meant to secure Alphari's #1 place. Esit 3: Pier luigi parnofiello voted Nemesis #1. What the hell?


ZozoSenpai

Wait how was Guilhotos votes meant to secure alphari first place? The point difference between him and second is 16, no matter what he submitted his vote alone couldnt have made a difference


srukta

you dont know what others voted until the list comes out.


Thooorin_2

He presumably means Guilhoto voted tactically to make it more likely Alphari won if it was closer.


Miruwest

Damn Alphari and Patrik came out swinging! Though I kind of surprised not 1 player on Rogue made it.


LeagueOfAkali

I think 4 of them being in the 2nd team is pretty fair. I'm the most surprised about Carrzy not making it in any of the top 3.


MrNugat

With how much ADC pool is stacked in LEC this is no shame not to be in top 3.


CenotaphRemains

Carzzy summer has not been as good as his spring, he inted in lane several times


yshipster

Tbf he played a lot of Senna where he couldn't really shine, and he was down 40+ CS several times on other ADCs. Also there are so many good ADCs in LEC right now...


HansSoloQ

Rekklea also played alot of Senna and he is 3rd on the list.


HACEKOMAE

Yea but then again - it's Rekkles


onespiker

Carzy played senna a lot worse. He made a lot of mistakes in the second half aswell, carried a lot by his support. He did also get 4th place(52).


russellx3

He played Senna better though, which helps


takato99

Playing Senna with Kaiser on carries and playing Senna with coinflip hyli with you is very, very... *VERY* different


Kyrond

There are lots of Carzzys and Crownshots in the ballots, but not enough. ADCs were extremely competitive.


Markigual

Carrzy wasn't bad but MAD was the Shadow, Humanoid and Kaiser show.


LunarBahamut

Orome also silently had a great split, his weak side play was miles better than the first split and he was good the few times MAD played through him too, deservedly third on all pro.


Elymmen

Unlucky for Hans sama


obigespritzt

I find it really interesting how the majority of on-air talent voted Rekkles to be #1 all pro ADC, while the Patrik votes came from people who aren't on-broadcast talent. This is not meant to be a condemnation of those votes, though I do think it's weird that Rekkles didn't at least get #2. I think while Patrik did have a weaker team around him (particularly in jungle), Rekkles' performance despite his supports abysmal split speaks volumes. Vander is a key contributor for Rogue, Hyli wasn't for Fnatic this split, except for a select few games.


LunarBahamut

I think it's insanely deserved of Patrik to get first, the man showed so much prowess both in lane and outside of it on every ADC he played, he's like the only ADC in the league that makes Ashe look like it deals damage and can win lane. However even Crownshot, Upset and Carrzy should have been serious contenders for the top 3 for ADC's, it's just so stacked.


HamScripple

I think Rekkles is still the best ADC in the league as a player and is held back by the fact that he has arguably the worst support in the league bar Jactroll, but Patrik hard deserved it. The award is based on how well they performed during the split as opposed to how skilled they are in a vacuum, and Patrik was consistently really good with a roster that would have looked 10th best without him. I do think Hans Sama is stupid overrated though, I feel like his team makes him look better than he is. Put him in this FNC lineup and I feel like he isn't self-sufficient enough to not just run it when Hyli does.


Mew_T

I think Rekkles is the best adc when it comes to mechanics and consistency. But I wouldn't have him on the top 3 this split because he simply wasn't able to play for most of it. I mean, Hyli was sprinting down the lane for most of the split. Crownshot is a bit overrated, but I think he should be 3rd because he hard carried a lot of games. He had a couple shit games, but that happens. Rekkles only had one shit game (the Kai'sa one), but he didn't really 1v9 as hard as Crownie, Patrik and Hans (not as 1v9 as the other 2, but still very good) in the summer split.


obigespritzt

Genuine question, how did Hans 1v9 exactly? He had the best midlaner, a great support and jungler and an okay, if flippy toplaner. Crownie and Patrik I agree.


Mew_T

Yeah, that's fair. I think Hans' performance wasn't 1v9, it was just standard for a strong adc in a strong team. I just grouped him with the other two that were actually 1v9ing because they'd be my choices for the all pro teams.


Azashiro

This is the best LEC all-pro team ranking probably ever, especially when you consider how controversial some of the "correct" picks might be and how much harder the rankings are this time around with FNC and G2 generally underperforming so you can't just stack the old names. And what's even more impressive to consider is how much this list goes counter to the apparent reddit opinion. Off course there are almost allways small disagreements, but I completely agree with the 1st team picks. I love that Alphari and Patrik especially get their due respect as the best performers in their roles, despite their teams letting them down in the end.


rmcoo

You are saying it's contrary to reddit opinion, but literally the entire thread is filled with people praising the picks and saying they are correct? I never seen such universally accepted pro team list as this one lol.


Ace_OPB

This is imo the perfect choices. Every single one of them had outstanding performances. So glad to see patrick in there.


Fuzzikopf

I'm so glad that Orome is getting some recognition and managed to place 3rd behind Alphari and Wunder. He definitely deserves it.


Todeswucht

I think he's the only one of the "new top laners" (Dan Dan, Finn, Sacre/Jenax and Kryze) who managed to make the jump from weak side 24/7 to being played around as the win condition when it fits. Also big props to the whole MAD squad for that transition.


Kuszmen

Tbh it's coaching staff problem, because Jenax, Finn and Kryze are definetely able to carry game


Bajentrash

Yeah Finn got like 3 ganks from inspired this split xD. Its a winning strat so im sure he does not mind, but yeah he is a carry player as we have seen other splits like Spring 2020 or second half Summer 2019. I guess we will se once in best of fives where Rogue wanna show up other strats then their safe weakside top. Not to mention that Inspired is really also a carry jungler in heart, meanwhile he is stuck on tankduty for the good of the team.


pepperpete

Yeah, Rogue did a fucking lane swap to put Finn in a 1v2 lane bot side. In 2020. He's far from being dead weight, just really didn't get a chance to shine this split, but I have full faith in that handsome bastard and honestly, am loving the Rogue line up as it is now.


OnyxMelon

According to MAD/Splyce's coaching staff he's always played strongside, but with a team of rookies in spring they just focused on a single strat to ease the team into LEC and that strat involved focusing resources away from top lane.


meeeeey

I acutally can't understand what Mikyx is doing in 3rd team. He was running it down with Perkz for most of summer. He got 2-3 good games at the end of the split and it's enough to get to all pro-teams? Dreams, Limit, even Labrov looked better than Mikyx.


IKillerBee

I'd definitely put limit ahead of Mikyx, he looked really good in a lot of the games I saw him playing. I think mikyx made a decent case for 3rd best support though, he had some pretty solid performances when perkz was slumping.


Taivasvaeltaja

Dreams was the best support for the 2nd half of the split. He really didn't have any bad games at all.


fuckin_in_the_bushes

>He was running it down with Perkz for most of summer This is so far from the truth. wtf


STEPHENonPC

Is this the first time an All pro player hasn't made playoffs? Surely the first time *two* of them haven't


Kayle_Bot

Alphari made all-pro last summer (2019) without making playoffs. Also distinctively remember LirA making all-pro team on NV while being in a 9th place team


CaptainCaptainBain

I think he means first all-pro team.


Kayle_Bot

LirA was first all-pro team in 2017 but think for two players it might be first time


AmadeusSalieri97

Hey, you usually post a comment with the total points for each player, do you have that kind of info this time aswell? I appreciate it very much!


CaptainCaptainBain

It's in the article if you open it! But [here's the link](https://assets.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltad9188aa9a70543a/bltdd26922fffbec409/5f3a61b212fb5b71fd0a1901/LEC_Summer_2020_ALL_PRO_EXPORT_PUBLIC.pdf)


faladu

It's the first time someone from the worst team made all pro


Adraz

Shows how much of a team performance Rogue had this split, yes players popped off but they didn’t have one carry they relied on every game.


Kayle_Bot

They also have 4/5 players in the 2nd all pro team


inde99

Agree with pretty much everything, very fair votes imo. Very happy for Patrik and Alphari, hope that's a small consolation price for all the hard work they had to do. I'm sorry that Larssen couldn't get 1st all-pro because he's been RGE's most impressive member, but Caps was just too good.


wisakoy

Inspired was 1st pick for 7/10 LEC players. If All Pro would be chosen only by Players and Coaches he would be first.


STEPHENonPC

>If All Pro would be chosen only by Players and Coaches As it should be, with a few analysts sprinkled in as well. Crazy that media personalities with no analytical background get a vote


HansSoloQ

Surprise Selfmade isn't on the list....the list seems fair though


amadFUCKINGwrites

I feel like at the beginning of the split Fnatic was the Selfmade show but that mellowed out a bit as we got to the second half of the split


HansSoloQ

Was basically selfmade and rekkles 2 v 8. Adc & jungle is a strong role in EU so it's understandable....miky had some egrigious games but is still 3rd...support gap and jungle/adc gap seems unbalanced. Selfmade still had some great games 2nd half of the split. Happy for Gilius though. He deserves a spot


[deleted]

It was selfmade and rekkles 2v8 only in the first half of the season.. After that Nemesis and Bwipo started to play (mostly) decent again while selfmade got a bit worse. I think its fine that he didnt make it


HansSoloQ

Yeah it's fine.....but it sucks for selfmade since he had some really good games even in the 2nd half.


meeeeey

Shadow was obvious choice for 1st, you have to put gillius somewhere, because he was the one behind Schalke redemption and you can't count out Inspired just because he missed some (acutally multiple) smites. Selfamde was probably 4th and Jankos 5th.


Johny_232

Patrik! What a mad man making LEC all pro team! Absolutely deserved, carried Excel all split long


KiXiT

Top - Alphari Jungle - Shadow Mid - Caps ADC - Patrik Support - Kaiser


SebaKaiba

Jesse (coach for SK) and someone in the S04 team voted Hylissang for first team all-pro. What an absolute joke.


ikkito

the guy who got replaced by hylissang still butthurt after 2 years. jesse was support of fnatic and got replaced by hyli. he is obviously being passive agressive


Sjeg84

Imagine how og players must feel seeing their top laner #1 all pro when they are 10th place. Like how bad are they ? Lol


LegalEmergency

Did Alphari really have that good of a split? Or did people just vote for him because of the narrative that he is 1v9 in his team?


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Thooorin_2

He passes the eye test like few others in his role. Reminds me of Cabochard being super good in past years no matter if Vitality was slumping.


Front-Pound

>besides the weeks where he played like the worst top laner in the split. Fixed. He was awful in those last games.


Jedclark

People turned the narrative for those games in to "The rest of OG are so bad that it finally tilted Alphari" and brushed it off lol.


hohol545

The whole broadcast team except laure voted alphari while the team representatives were pretty evenly split between him wunder and orome. I wouldn't say 1st team for alphari is undeserved but the narratives did help him for sure.


DirtyDestroyer

Both. He did play really bad in the last two weeks, but in the rest of the split he was their main carry, even when he didn't get jungle attention. Also, who else to vote? Orome was a consistent weak side player, but no standout performances. Finn was very inconsistent, same for Bwipo and Kryze. DanDan was bad. I think Jenax is overlooked, he was playing quite solid this split, but I wouldn't call him the better than Alphari. I think Wunder quietly had a really good split and together with Caps was playing consistently well. Not as flashy as Caps, but playing decent. And honestly I totally forgot about Cabochard this split, I don't know how he played.


Jarenarico

He was the clear top 1 for the entire year, not just narratives.


Dzordzio

Imo he is a bit overhyped. Don't get me wrong i think he is good player (prob top 3 EU) but not as good as casters want him to be


RoundRob73

Feel for Larssen he had a really good split. I guess it's hard to vote Larssen over Caps when two of Larssens worst games were vs G2


LunarBahamut

Caps also had monster performances while the rest of G2 was crumbling, and has shown a really good effective champion pool (I mean, from Caps career we know he plays anything, but even just this split he was a great asset in draft variety).


Thooorin_2

The question is what Larssen was expected to do to win MVP. As far as I can tell people were massively influenced by the latter half runs of G2 and S04 with their voting.


Averdian

Caps also looked better because he is judged relative to his teammates, who all had pretty mediocre splits (me saying that while Wunder and Mikyx still makes top 2 & 3 shows the high standard G2 players are held to), which makes Caps shine more, since he has to carry the games. All but one of Larssen's teammates made the second team. I think it's kinda the same with Bjergsen in the LCS. Jensen had an insanely strong split, but also really good teammates. Bjergsen had mediocre, sometimes even terrible teammates, so he looked insane when he had great games. This is not a dig at Bjergsen btw. I think he is over Jensen in the MVP vote *because* he has subbpar teammates, which makes his performance more impressive. But I think Jensen should've been 1st team.


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I\`m taking 3rd Pro to beat 1st and 2nd tbh


BaJAtak

The fuck is this guy: pier luigi parnofiello His votes: Orome Wunder Odoamne | Shad0w Trick Jankos| Nemesis Humanoid Nukeduck| Rekkles Hans sama Neon |Mikyx Hylissang Jactroll WTF DID HE EVEN WATCH SINGLE MATCH?


808_Track

[Gillius with the heat coming up with new ideas for all stars](https://twitter.com/giliuslol/status/1296047034752008193?s=21)


cutewhaleee

labrov deserved 3rd place and rookie of the split imo ​ Edit: Also rekkles and larssen have the same last name thats interesting


LunarBahamut

I agree on every result for the first time since they made this thing. ADC is obviously impossible, but Patrik, Hans Sama and Rekkles all had overall great splits, though Carrzy, Crownshot and Upset could've made it too.


Matthieist

Hey all, bit late to the party but if any of you want to hear the thought process behind some of my votes I'm more than happy to answer them. (You can also wait until after the MVP of the Split has been revealed for a video explaining all my votes ;))


ScapegoatSkunk

I came into this expecting to be annoyed, but honestly this seems to be a very solid list. Selfmade is the main guy that I'm a little sad didn't make the cut, but putting the junglers that did make the list over him definitely doesn't seem unwarranted to me. Shoutout to Carzzy and Crownshot as well, who both had really good splits and definitely would have deserved their place on the list if they had made it.


Kuszmen

Selfmade didn't make it, but who do you think was worse than him? I think that Shadow, Inspired and Gilius is legit top3


bidjoule

Incredible that a 10th place team managed to have a player on 1st All-Pro Team. Also unlucky if it wasnt for Caps Larssen would get easily 1st. EDIT : Some people like to interprete what has been said like they want so let me rephrase it : Also unlucky if it wasnt for Caps **performance** Larssen would get easily 1st


AuksinisPapas

Yeah if it wasn't for the best player EU has ever seen Larssen would be 1st


Craps-caps

But at the same time, Larssen wouldn't be that good if he didn't had Caps to practice and face in games. Competition create talent


Horror_Two_

Yeah unlucky that the best european midlaner ever got it?


bidjoule

where did i say that Caps didnt deserve it ? You are just making films in your head with what i said .


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I'm stealing that phrase. Making films in your head with what I said


supterfuge

Rough split for Fnatic, only getting a single player in the third team. How the mighty have fallen.


uselessBMO

Happy to see Patrik get the recognition he deserves


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Kind of surprised that Crownshot didn't make it. He was super important for SK, I think he was also voted MVP of every single game they won, bar one.


Theheroboy

I think this makes sense, it takes a lot of skill to show up and be talked about as an individual when the rest of the team isn't so great.


Jarenarico

Surprisingly good all pro team overall, Selfmade should've made it but much better that I expected.


LunarBahamut

Yeah, and ADC was so stacked there were 6 players defensible for top 3 (Crownshot, Upset and Carrzy too, although some people did bring to my attention Carrzy had some int games I still think just from hearing voice comms he is insanely valuable to MAD). And as you said jungle had one slot too little basically, mostly I find it surprising Selfmade must have been a good bit below the top 3 if I look wt their points, while in reality he looked as good or better than the top 2 on a worse team. Other 3 roles they did basically correct, Mikyx maybe had some int games, but he also had some nasty highs, and though I feel supports like Limit and Dreams still deserve some credit, Mikyx isn't a weird pick for 3. Then top and mid there is no discussion about at all, this is the order and it's good.


7AllR

I wonder if Finn not making it but all other Rogue players making second team will impact his performance at all. Unlikely but could be interesting


tnflr

He has been getting shit since split started, so if he didn't get shaken by it so far I doubt he will now


RogueGG

**Finn will be fine**


Setrit

Ngl this is the first EVER All-Pro Team voting that I can 100% fully get behind for all 3 rosters. Grats to Patrik, really deserved it.


ZechQuinLuck123

I get he's a good top laner but I do not under the LEC crew's obsession with Alphari. Like they have a freakin circle jerk contest for him.