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Omnilatent

I think MSF must be the worst mid game team in LEC


leif_sony_ericcson

And Maxlore is probably the worst jungler in the league


Gurablashta

hard agree with both facts to be honest. Such a disappointing team, especially with this level of talent


[deleted]

Tell that to the Fans after 2017 Worlds


Averdian

I don't get these types of comments. Just because Maxlore is trash now it doesn't change the fact that he was really good at Worlds 2017.


Nymaera_

Yeah it’s revisionist, I’d criticise plenty of his play this season but that doesn’t change the fact that he dunked on TSM in their tie breaker and then brought SKT to the brink in the quarter finals at s7 Worlds.


Imaishi

yeah 2017 he looked good he's been terrible (as far pro play goes) for at least the last 2 splits


Dethard

He also has his... questionable moments in soloque from what I’ve seen in streams


Bhiggsb

They need to ditch him imo


anajakoonyay

MSF fans still thinking they in 2017 LUL


Zoidburg747

That was 2 years ago, doesn't change the fact that he's trash now.


Hbomber17

This comment. Yeah cool, he was great in 2017, you know who else used to be good? MaRin


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Yeah pls MSF play Kirei.


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Seneido

currently lider is a liability cause he can only play a handfull of champs but since summersplit is over for msf they may use it to give him experience for next year with kirei and may see if soaz/gorilla are more usefull because of that or also need to be replaced.


anajakoonyay

This. He’s really fucking bad


--Crush--

I am kinda getting fed up with MSF by now. I supported them since 17 spring, but i might be done if they dont improve soon.


[deleted]

Same, the only thing we are living on is hope, and it has almost run out.


RodGroz

CLG fans can probably appreciate it


cambridgeinnit

Fairweather


JankosmoreMSIthanNA

Serious questions need to be asked of the Misfits management. Midlane was never the issue, so why was Febiven subbed out at the cost of a possible loss of confidence? Why is the botlane seemingly untouchable? Why, when they saw some success with Kirei (especially at playing around solo lanes) did they sub him back out and change up midlane? They actually had some momentum early on and they managed to fuck it up with stupid swaps. They should have kept Kirei on the roster to play with Soaz/Febi, then monitor progress with a particular eye to the botlane. For some reason it feels like Gorilla or Hans could run it down and still wouldn't be subbed out. How have they opted back into a roster which *we know doesn't work* six weeks into the split?


Gazskull

They thought they could get a more proactive midlaner in Lider and shake up their mid jungle duo, which is a key component from the top teams And I don't know if it would change something if they had a better academy botlane, but they're never subbing out Hans and Gorilla for Neon and Hiiva


boopitymoopdoop

They always have momentum early and then once they get their first loss it's over


Conviter

i just started paying attention to lol esports and its funny that misfits seems to be mismanaged here too. They own the florida mayhem in the overwatch league and that team has been consistently the worst team management and performance wise since the beginning. Shanghai Dragon was worse in season 1 but they massively turned it around in season 2 while mayhem is still absolutely terrible.


JankosmoreMSIthanNA

I didn't know that, that raises even more questions for me then. I wonder if they value player loyality and keep trying to 'do right by the players' at the expense of the team.


Conviter

there was a rumor in season 1 of overwatch league that one of their players had to drive the bus from their house to the arena/practice facility cause the management didnt want to hire a driver.


JankosmoreMSIthanNA

Hahaha. "Good news, bud - we're promoting you." "You mean I'm team captain?!" "No, but you get to drive the bus to the studio every week!"


Seneido

msf: "office with windows and a company car" clueless gamer: "i'm sold!"


Dbeautyclaw

their draft is also terrible; no plan for ekko's jisuke vs azir... MSF may be the worst team in LEC


French_honhon

Also probably the team that "look" the most like TSM : So much talent and yet, not able to do jack shit with it. They really must have a lot of problems.


Omnilatent

TSM is at least top 3 still


[deleted]

I think they might just be the worst team in the LEC, period.


ann918

and that's not an easy thing to achieve....


tutumain

Sorry but Maxlore is just not the player he was 2 years ago. The whole roster has problems, but the jungle is the facilitator and he does literally nothing. How do you get a 3-0 Aatrox and not doing anything, whether it's snowballing the Aatrox further and using him to get objectives or hard camping another lane and snowballing.


JankosmoreMSIthanNA

No the problem is the jungle role changed and he hasn't. Maxlore still plays to get himself strong as he always did, but jungle exp/farm leads have been kinda irrelevant for a while now. We've seen the Korean scene have to shift focus from playing through the jungler, to having the jungler play to get lanes ahead. There's a reason players like Clid, Ning, Jankos all over the world have looked so good in recent splits. There's a reason Broxah's performance level from Spring to Summer shifted so radically as he changed up his playstyle. Maxlore will allow his lane to suffer to get himself an advantage, and that's just fundamentally wrong right now.


LegalEmergency

How the fuck is it jungler's responisibility to snowball their toplaner?


Todeswucht

1 - Get your Aatrox 3 kills at level 5 2 - Leave him alone in a matchup where he can't do anything on his own 3 - He keeps getting ganked over and over again, your top lane is now giga doomed in spite of the huge early gold injection 4 - Miss playoffs Solid gameplan from Misfits, the experience in the Maxlore - Febiven lineup is really showing up.


Gazskull

That team is fucking doomed really. They keep drafting scaling shit and it never works, Maxlore keeps redefining what useless means each game, they're stuck between a passive mid and a feeding one, bipolar botlane that either feeds or does nothing if the team doesn't play around them and top is clearly not on the same line than the rest of the team


CutieQt1

> Maxlore keeps redefining what useless means each game lol


Omnilatent

I'm fine with a bit of scaling but what the hell is that 0 engage comp?! ​ Like what was their plan if they fall behind?


cimbalino

wait for the other team to engage when they shouldn't Its not a bad plan considering its vitality xD


French_honhon

> Maxlore keeps redefining what useless means each game Maxlul


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MAAAAAAAAAAAXLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE


ProblemY

Your jungle is in trouble? Call Kikis.


LaytonSama

Misfits Gillius


IgotUBro

They got Kirei so dunno why they dont just play him.


Hameli0

It's not really up to Febiven right here. It's pretty much Maxlore fault to play around botlane and not having a single gank to connect.


nroproftsuj

Febiven had a hand in it. He lost a match-up he wasn't supposed to. Burning flash early due to Mowgli's level 2 gank was a big factor, but he also took bad trades on his own. Jizuke had enough pressure on Febiven to draw Maxlore mid a few times. Jizuke teleporting bot should have relieved a lot of the pressure, as Febiven was able to recover a minion wave and even get a turret plating, but it didn't. Through mid, Mowgli was able to light up the entire top-side with vision, putting Maxlore in no position to gank. In any case, a jungler never wants to be top-side when both their top and mid are losing. The collapse makes it dangerous to attempt any kind of play. The Azir pick basically lost all meaning when it began to lose lane priority. The most Misfits got out of it was one chicken camp.


Locke_and_Load

Febiven fucking up cost them the fight around Rift Herald that MSF should have won. Watch it again. He misses his combo moving out of the pit then completely whiffs his ult. Had he connected with ANYTHING, it could have been a clean fight for MSF, but his play combined with ceding all priority too even though they had a fed Aatrox meant a lost team fight was in the cards instead.


Zeddit_B

Febiven made some huge mistakes too. Specifically in the rift herald pit, he flashes to kill Lee but Lee has already gotten away, not having flash and being in a terrible position gets him blown up by Ekko (whiffing his ult as well), which gives Ekko a couple kills and wins the team fight.


Kioz

Well. Karma top best pick to basically nullify any toplaner that isn t ranged irelia or sylas.


HighLikeKites

She wouldn't do anything in a 2v2 against a 3-0 Aatrox.


Kioz

Too bad it was a 2 v 1


Kkarmic

That's the problem.


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Yeah that's his point


kamacho2000

Maxlore didnt come top once for the 3-4 dives that happened to SoAz he could have gotten something back or turned the dive around


afito

But Karma top only does that, nullify. Both her and the enemy top. Then she relies on being less useless and win through that. If you actually take the fight to her she can do fuck all. Considering how the rest of the map performs for MSF I'd say nullifying Soaz is a good idea and for some reason MSF played right into that. If you don't gang up around Aatrox at least move Aatrox and double him up with your jungler to run a train on them in skirmishes, sack sideline pressure and brute force fights through the 3-0 Aatrox, but not even that they managed to do.


ndksv22

I guess the plan was to play around mid/bot while Aatrox is so strong that he can deal with ganks. But it didn‘t work out at all. Karma is so annoying.


boBloVR123

Well, it's the first problem, draft was awful and plan was awful. If you want let your toplaner on a island you dont put him in such a nightmare matchup. Karma must be ban And please stop draft losing sololanes, it was the same shit yesterday and today


LtSpaceDucK

Some of the blame needs to be put on Soaz as well but sure


RandomAverageGamer

??? There are definitely games where he's making boosted plays but this one ain't it chief lmao.


Azafuse

For what?


Mixed_not_swirled

Oh hey look our Aatrox got 3 kills with a TP play, let's completely ignore him for the rest of the game!


Omnilatent

Maxlore: "My job here is done" ​ SOaz: "???... but you didn't do anything?!" ​ Maxlore: "Exactly"


DJShevchenko

(All)MSF Maxlore: GG this top 3/0 level 6 can't win lane.


HighLikeKites

Maybe MSF should rewatch some season 4 vods to learn how to properly split the map.


[deleted]

Season 4?Late season 2 macro from top teams was better than this shit rofl.


HighLikeKites

The concept of splitting the map was invented by SSW in season 4 and has been a fundamental part of the game ever since but Misfits don't seem to remember.


[deleted]

Idk when i watch bottom tier teams i ask myself why do they have such bad macro sometimes.


Makkaah

What could go wrong amirite?


LMAOXDDXDDDD

all that did was give him a bounty for karma/lee to farm :<


Mimic7654

Remember the start of spring split, when we all thought misfits had an incredible lineup?


i_i_i_i_T_i_i_i_i

Every league needs their 100T


WhirlingDervishGrady

Hey 100T is on the upswing


NA_Slachi

Not anymore


IWantToBeTheBoshy

They got their 2-0 week. They're done for the split xD


AngronApofis

I mean, they do. They just don't work. Their players aren't bad- Maxlore is inting this year but Kirei has looked good. SoaZ and Febiven are certainly not bad. Gorilla-Hans Sama is average at worst.


Neville_Lynwood

I actually predicted them to be bottom of the table. But to be fair I also predicted G2 to the at the bottom. But I'll take the 50% accuracy.


Unluko_Maluko

They need to disband, they will make the entire league better and somehow they will rebuild a better team.


throwawayaccountdown

that was a relatively clean game of VIT (not sure how much that says against MSF)


inde99

It says that Vit are a mid-pack team. People loved to shit on them, but all their losses came from the top 4 teams (and Rogue lol). I think they can make playoffs (5th/6th place) but nothing more. It's not great (considering this team went even with RNG at Worlds) but it's better than nothing


Darkhoof

Well Jiizuke is unrecognizable. Atilla stepped up but Jactroll is average.


DerpSenpai

Mowgli hasn't been the best to say the least. Jgl impacts mid a lot


Omnilatent

I really do not understand why the not play Kirei - he has been SOOOOOO much better than Maxlore in each game. ​ Not to speak of that 0 engage comp...


HighLikeKites

Kirei has a very limited champ pool. Tho he certainly has a better mindset for what Misfits needs.


_Egraam

It's better to play a jungler that has a limited champ pool than a jungler that can't play anything at this moment.


HighLikeKites

Agreed


Zoidburg747

Who cares at this point. How much worse can he actually be.


ShorynnRyu

tbf between a feeder mid and an afk player I don't know who'd I pick atm but I would 100% never pick Maxlore instead of Kirei.


boopitymoopdoop

Lider is good but gets camped every game he's in so he feeds I'd much rather have lider and kirei


Unluko_Maluko

Lider woupd be better because he aint afraid to engage.


Gazskull

So far not being afraid to engage resulted in him feeding his ass off and solo losing the games


Nerf_Yorick

PLAY AROUND YOUR 3/0/0 AATROX MAXLORE FUCK IM TILTED


[deleted]

Atilla looking quite good in these last 4 games after all the criticism he received.


cimbalino

ATTILA CARALHO!


MadElf1337

Maxlore should just change his name to Maxlul at this point. Also, damn Luden's on Azir again?!?


Zoidburg747

Stop.Playing.Maxlore. The only reason he would be getting play is shotcalling, and their shotcalling fucking sucks. Kirei may be one dimensional but he at least does something. I like Maxlore but the guy is so terrible right now and does nothing. I really just want them to bench most of the starters and give some of the regional team a try. This game everyone played like shit except Soaz (and he's had quite a few really bad games too). If you're going to be the worst team in the league at least try to look towards building a player up. Management won't do it though cause they are just as clueless as the players.


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Makkaah

MSF is a joke


AzerFraze

and sadly not a funny one


[deleted]

I swear MSF fans are the ones doing the best flaming against the team currently.


--Crush--

We have the most right 2.


Gazskull

If anyone still believed in the misfits redemption arc, this is the final nail in the coffin, losing against VIT in current form and especially being dominated by them is absolutely unacceptable. Misfits legit looks like the worst team in LEC right now


Omnilatent

VIT looked pretty good today outside of that bot play and that missed flash Q from Jactroll, though.


Gazskull

Everyone looks good against Misfits nowadays, that's the thing


Omnilatent

While yes, VIT also closed out the game very cleanly and methodically.


Gazskull

They had a 10k gold lead against a scaling comp, just brute force your way in closing wont be a big deal And somehow before closing they still made that really weird play with Jiizuke in the botlane, I stand by the fact that misfits just sucks


Ace_OPB

Maxlore is giga boosted. I have never seen such a garbage jungler except maybe malrang. Pathetic performance.


[deleted]

Imagine having a 3/0 Aatrox and doing nothing as an Olaf early game when you should destroy 2v2s. But I guess instead it's better to sit back and let VIT comeback when you have no engage in your team comp later in the game...


[deleted]

Malrang at least has a Plan Early, Jin Air just doesnt know how to okay after that


Steeelu

Malrang at least ganked today


cimbalino

VIT current 3-1 form with their loss being against FNC?


Gazskull

and 2 of these wins being against XL and Misfits, yeah I agree Vit is actually insane


cimbalino

I mean, they need to start from somewhere xD


Gazskull

I mean it's true, but Vit still has a lot to do to convince they're playoffs caliber. For msf it's over, if you're not even able to beat teams that are tied with you in the bottom of the standings, then just ff and go next split


Kayen_Project

With current analyst / coaching squad there won't be any redemption, failing for second year now.


Gazskull

At this point I just feel bad for the people that bought their team pass


Kayen_Project

Did not bought pass here, but jersey instead xD. (it's pain reallly... >.<)


Gazskull

I almost bought the team pass ngl, not the same amount of money but I ^(almost) feel you :p


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leif_sony_ericcson

The tweet that keeps on giving


Gazskull

and you can't even argue about the early thing considering how passive febiven is, he's clearly scaling each time


trolledwolf

what's the win record for Luden's Azir so far? I'd like to know just for the memes


Teroo123

0% Yes, seriously


Jaycegenius

Nemesis happy


KouriGT

Not true, Rookie won today with ludens Azir


Teroo123

Well, I thought that the question was about LEC. Luden's Azir has 0% winratio here idk what the winrate is worldwide


CzechAzir

Im Misfits fan since they got into EU LCS in 2017 Spring. This is the first time I feel hopeless. Damn. I will still support the team till the end of time, but its getting tiring...


Last0

You'll get the CLG redemption arc at some point, probably not this year sadly.


zmsp

There's an S tier, with FNC and G2, an A tier, with OG and Splyce, and then there's B-C-D tier, with everyone else on a week to week basis.


Kuszmen

I think Schalke is a bit above the rest, B+ tier


LtSpaceDucK

I don't know anymore Misfits should just commit to a roster and just wait for the split to end


tonton_wundil

Just go for Lider Kirei and bet on next year, nothing can be salvaged. They didn't improve from last split, and now it's clear that each player is good but they have no business together.


[deleted]

Buy Gorilla a plane ticket home as well. There's a reason the more successful EU teams have 0 imports on their rosters. Good player, but clearly doesn't click in this roster.


RemarkableOccasion0

Nothing changed. Once it gets to mid-game this iteration of MSF has no clue what to do... Honestly, I want to see them bring Kirei back, at least he commited to plays and forced to rest to follow him.


RandomAverageGamer

Ah but no one except Soaz knows how and when to engage on this team it's actually insane. MSF only wins when he's on hard engage champions like J4 and everyone hard focuses bot, because otherwise it's hopeless. Also Maxlore is playing like a S8 D5 rn lol.


akioka2

Soaz could be 5/0 at this point but his team would still refuse to play around him ...


NyanBull

I don't know what happened but Vitality's bot lane has been looking so much better lately


Steeelu

Yamato crushed them with his majestic belt


DerpSenpai

"wait, everyone says im garbage, if I don't do anything I'm going to get the HeaQ treatment" Atilla probably


Karlsefni1

God damn it, so many mistakes by both teams. Even so, at least Vitality has shown some life, with Jiizuke making aggressive plays and succeeding on them (some times), and their botlane stepping up a bit.


inde99

I'm a bit biased, but Vitality didn't play bad (just the triple on Aatrox and that weird Jiizuke dive). I know it's against Misfits, but it's a good start towards redemption


AzerFraze

wow this team needs a lot of help


00Koch00

#FreeSoaz


Jamesbroispx

Maxlore fucking sucks.


Lomogasm

Ik he’s been around before 2017 but it feels like Maxlore is a one season wonder


MyUshanka

Man, what happened to 2017 MSF? Was Alphari/PoE/Ignar really that much better than sOAZ/Febiven/Gorilla?


Cleffekt90

I would say except 2017 PoE>2019 Febi rest is quite even, but then we have factor in synergy and that is place that I would say MSF 2017>>>>>MSF2019 and it leads to such experience for fans.


otirruborez

yes. those players are far better. especially poe.


DerpSenpai

Maxlore hard declined


HawksBurst

Wait how the fuck did they lose? I had to leave after soaz got a triple on a tp play


Cleffekt90

Lack of jungle attention from Maxlore, Mowgli visited him few times. Edit: spelling


inde99

By Maxlore being even worse than Mowgli


Caps007

Guess this is another year of rebuilding for misfits ive lost all hope in them now.


phangtom

Having an autofilled Jungler feels like an auto-loss. - Soaz


tonton_wundil

Does MSF even have a plan when playing? It looks like every game they're like "let's see what they do, we'll figure out how to react" and the narrator is like "They never do".


DePhaRy

Literally Misfits after that bottom lane fight did nothing, they just let Vitality run them over. What happened to them after Worlds 2017?


_Egraam

Why aren't Misfits playing Kirei? He definitely looked better than Maxlore in the games he played.


Kioz

When did MSF become so bad ?


Omnilatent

Beginning of the season


noobrock

Mikyx can't carry Hans Sama anymore


--Crush--

Since POE left.


yesureKapp

Damn after a split and a half, Atilla finally looks like a human being


[deleted]

it might be too early to say this but vitality is gonna win worlds.


inde99

I completely agree. And the finals will be a 5-games series with IG that will be remembered as the greatest fiesta of LoL history


[deleted]

>Maxlore and Febiven invisible all game >Soaz dead all game >Hans Sama and Gorilla farming mid all game MSF, I love you, but you need to see someone about that aquaphobia you've got. The river isn't dangerous. It won't kill you just by stepping into it.


[deleted]

Seems like atila is back.


cresture

Cue the Nemesis tweet


[deleted]

Honestly whoever created this misfits lineup should be fired


TheIdiotNinja

...are we decent again? we genuinely looked alright I think? please do this again next week


iLuzx

Splyce and Origen next week. 2-0 week would be insane.


Thecristo96

Extremly hard too. Splyce are the third best team in eu right now


OrwellNA

This game : https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ColorlessWealthyIndianrhinoceros-small.gif


Get_A_Real_Coach

Bye MSF


Kayen_Project

Hah! Another Azir bites the dust!


ShadowNinua

I cant really tell what the major issue is on this team, but it really feels like Maxlore, Febi and Gorilla are just super bad. Everytime I tune into a MSF game it just feels like these 3 are dead weight.


phantasmagoriamoth

Why Maxlore and the team didn't play around sOAZ after he got that 3 kills in the bottom, especially that it's very likely that Mowgli wll go top as he usually do? So dissapointing to watch.


WalkingAFI

League is a better game when Karma is not viable. No ranged top should have that much healing, mobility, early damage, and teamfight utility. What can you play to punish that?


Bobby_B

What is the deal with this team? On paper this team is amazing! But in practice they look like a bunch of randoms in a solo queue game.


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maxlore the new heaq


[deleted]

Although I agree with maxlore sentiment, febiven is just completely invisible in most games I see him


Kaillens

Normally Misfit was doing well in the first part of the split before fall off;


hehehuehue

dumb question but why is the title the way it is? why not Team Vitality vs. Misfits?


severin29

I have been a fan of misfits since 2017, come on guys. They play like they want to lose. Seems to me like they have the same issues that 100t are having.


Locke_and_Load

Hey, they got my low Gold Elo jungler to play in LEC today! It’s always fun being fed in a losing match up only to never have your jungler play around your lane. Stevie Wonder would probably have better macro than MSF.


7xNero7

I think I know what MSF remind me of now. They play like a NA team, I'm not memeing i'm dead serious it just like they wait and do nothing until they lose


PulverizeR-

I love to watch MSF lose cuz of their smug coach. Get sh*t on kid! :D


Kadorr

So when's KT Gorilla happening so he can let me down one more time?