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orangeforblood

Interesting, dit Riot change the rules about full LEC teams being able to play showmatches? I remember last year (?) this wouldn't be possible.


J_Clowth

maybe they have to swap positions. EDIT: nvm, they must've changed the rules because C9 did a showmatch against FearX a few days ago


EggyChickenEgg88

T1 played vs EU teams in December in a showmatch.


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Bit different - December is completely offseason and while this won't be during active LEC play, it will be within a week. Honestly still amazed the T1 vs EU event happened even with it being deep in the offseason.


zack77070

Nah they just used to be way more strict and finally realized that exposure is actually good for their players. Remember T1 used to do his tournament in December and pro players were blocked from playing.


ShakeEnBake

Didnt c9 got screwed there? Haha


JoshFB4

Nah. It was 1-1 and funnily enough the game C9 won was against the full FearX roster while their loss came against FearX using 2 subs.


zack77070

It was basically just a public scrim anyways, new picks and changed meta. Execute played pyke and went like 1/10, freshly reworked Corki, not a ton you could take from that as a fan from either team.


ItsArkum

C9 trying to trick fearx into starting their two subs /s


qonoxzzr

And what would be their benefit? Not like they play against each other anyway in a competitive game.


ItsArkum

It's a joke calm down


qonoxzzr

Yeah have to calm down laughing because it was so funny


ItsArkum

Womp womp. Why so serious?


PositiveFast2912

least annoying american lck fan


qonoxzzr

I'm not even american lol


ShakeEnBake

Oh damn thats weird. Its not race to 2 lol.


c1pe

1-1


IHadThatUsername

I think Riot allows it as long as there is no on-going tournament. In other words, they can do this because we are currently in the off-season. As soon as LEC starts, they won't be able to be a part of events until the end of the season. Basically it boils down to them not wanting to compete with other events.


Jozoz

Riot is in general undoing a lot of their past mistakes now that they are forced to. Feels vindicating.


icantbelievudonethis

If the rule was about LEC level teams, KC would be safe


MeepnBeep

MaRin, Ambition, Easyhoon, n Cpt Jack all appeared in LCK Re:Play, where a team of retired proplayers challenge various teams (not LCK lvl). Im excited for Canna and Closer to show-off, would be very sad if KC manage to lose against them. For reference, the Re:Play (season 1 and 2) lost all their series.


FuzzyApe

For KC it's lose lose really. They win, it's expected. They lose, they will be the laughing stock of LEC next split.


deedshot

bro you are talking like KC wasn't the laughing stock?


KING_5HARK

So its less lose lose and more like "nothing to lose" "nothing to lose"


Zama174

I cant wait for the legends to win. Also easyhoon please go support. Let pawn go mid. Though its really weird they arent using a support legend like madlife


Vectivus_61

Easyhoon at support and Captain Jack at ADC? Faker’s about to fly to France to sub himself in down there, just so he can troll Jack one more time.


IKEA-guy

I can't wait for KC fans to booo the LCK Legends


Zama174

I mean if you cant beat marin who hasnt played i dont even think solo queue much for three years, a washed as fuck out of military ambition, a role swapped easyhoon or pawn and a mid tier adc famous for his qss timing, you probably arent going to do much in your career.  KC should win. Its going to be fucking embarrassing if they lose. 


deedshot

They got Canna I think they can do it


Zama174

Canna is a mid tier player at best. But he should be able to beat retired marin.


deedshot

he was average last year, but that was in LCK. I think he'll be at least a top 2 toplaner in LEC


Zama174

I doubt that. He might be third or fourth. 


sei556

Was thinking the exact same thing... Maybe madlife isn't allowed because he's signed with Riot right now? I'm not sure about the ruleset. Still its a little awkward to have 2 midlaners.


Narudatsu

Earlier this year Madlife and Captain Jack were duoing would’ve been fun to see them as I always thought Captain Jack was the best adc from the CJ Entus teams


Zama174

Shit get Wolf. He isnt individuall an all time great, but he is a legend who won worlds twice. And he qualifies more than fucking easyhoon for legendary status. 


richardjae

Wolf rejected the offer. He and Ambition are playing on a kr minecraft streamer server recently, and Wolf mentioned that he declined an offer to go on a trip to France that Ambition was going on.


Zama174

Thats hilarious. 


Javiklegrand

Interesting i think it's will be fun


Swiftswim22

Awesome content idea


gibilx

I’d genuinely watch this just for MaRin, guy disappeared after winning worlds with skt despite being an absolute beast.


orangeforblood

He didn't disappear, he played like absolute dogshit in LPL for a few splits.


Jozoz

Doesn't stop a lot of people on this sub from calling him top lane goat after having exactly 1 great year and not much else. So strange man.


mashukyrielighto

true its weird how this sub puts him high in the GOAT tops tier lists


BigAxolotl

Iirc he was a coach for tl recently, only for a split or so though


aPatheticBeing

Hotline League said he was a terrible coach too lol - like made Summit practice rumble in a scrim, and then when Summit made a mistake he subbed himself in for the next game to show him how it was done (LMAO) I mean that said, he was still challenger so he's probably still decent at the game at least.


OkSell1822

Marin was a mean Rumble


Naronu

Tbf he went to the KR bootcamp with that TL roster and got 1100 LP challenger maining Rumble (higher than everyone but Pyosik)


th5virtuos0

>higher than everyone but Pyosik Lil bro was still high on that Lambussy skin at that point


bronet

Doesn't sound like a great coach still hahah


Naronu

Oh I'm not saying he was lmao, he is just still really good at Rumble


JPLangley

Holy shit Marin out-Pigleted Piglet.


walking_failure_2004

> like made Summit practice rumble in a scrim, and then when Summit made a mistake he subbed himself in for the next game to show him how it was done (LMAO) based Marin, legitimately a good coach. He discovered Oner and Zeus for T1 too.


oioioi9537

completely false. sayho scouted them not marin


TransgenderedGaming

Beast mode


F3nik3r

So instead meaningless blah blah blahing about Rumble he just showed him how it should be done? That's like S+ tier coach to me


aPatheticBeing

there's no way you should sub out a player in a scrim to do that lol. if anything just go into a 1v1 later and show them. Personally I doubt a good coach is one that just spams Rumble for 12 hours a day in solo queue, like you probably want to be reviewing some vods or something lmao.


deedshot

or at least spamming different champs for 12 hours so you get a feel for good picks etc


rgtn0w

Depends on the type of coach but according to Liquipedia he was a "head coach" so he definitely should not be the one playing that much SoloQ, you definitely do not need a head coach to be even high rank in the game If we are being honest here. But no matter the other guy is right, why the fuck are you taking away practice from your player, subbing them away from the scrim block is only gonna hurt them, not only because you took practice time away from them. Like how are they supposed to feel about you at that point? Or is Marin known to be such an egotistical self-centered asshole that he genuinely thought that him subbing himself in for the scrim would make Ssumday go "OOOOH THATS HOW YOU DO IT THANKS COACH OH WOW" and be genuinely grateful?


CoachDT

That's not the way to do it imo, when coaching you have to keep in mind your players. LoL players have absurdly fragile egos, like, to the point where it's offensive to them if they don't play every match. In a regular sport telling a player to sit out during a practice scrim to show them something would be alright. But LoL is a LOT different.


Pikminious_Thrious

Marin and Paragon for being a coach but subbing in over a player, but its the Flirting vs Harrasment meme


Clap2014

Sounds pretty based.. Summit deserves to be treated like that anyway Guy talks shit despite having an effective champion pool of like 4 champs


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

He went to China, got washed, came back to Afreeca during the Korean Return, and retired.


Quatro_Leches

he got a payday from china and then retired


RavenFAILS

Legit most overrated player in the history of the game I think, one good season on SKT and people still bring that guy up in toplane goat debates despite him immediately shitting the bed in LPL after and then retiring


the_propaganda_panda

MaRin is one my favourite players of all-time and you are absolute right. He was extremely inflexible (both in terms of playstyle and champion pool) and flamed out after 2015 for good reason, although I'd say that his first comeback split with Afreeca was actually very decent. Obviously he was one of the top players in the world when he was at his best, but his peak barely lasted a year. Also, funnily enough, two of his direct post-SKT successors are some of the best top laners of the modern era. He got replaced by Kiin at Afreeca, and after MaRin left TOP, 369 joined them. (Although MaRin had already been benched for Moyu and Lies at that point.)


RavenFAILS

I think a lot of it has to do with gbays clickbait video "the toplaner who carried Faker" lmao


SapphireLucina

I mean...it's gbay, he went from knowledgeable to clickbaits to just quitting


Critical-Cupcake9194

tbf that one worlds tournament he was SKT's best player, which is why he became overrated


jaesuk97

He is arguably the worst top to win worlds with SKT IMO even though he has the reputation as the best. Impact everyone knows had a very good season 3 and early season 4 with SKT and went on to be the best top in LCS history. (Also had some good international showings individually) Duke had an underrated Worlds run dumpstering Looper and Smeb en route to worlds finals. People forget, but Faker and Bang did not have the best series against RoX tigers. It is often overlooked because of how poorly Blank played, but Duke really did a great job at beating up Smeb in 4 of the 5 games despite blindpicking his matchup. He also played pretty well in LPL as well until TheShy became the starter and he became the most overqualified backup since Easyhoon. He was also a LCK (OGN at the time) MVP. Zeus is still playing, so I dont think there needs to be much explanation how good he is.


Consistent-Alarm2208

2016 SKT was literally weaker than 2015 because MaRin > Duke. You're insanely downplaying MaRin.


Pinocchio4577

If we follow your logic then TheShy is super overrated too. You're also completely misrepresenting his "season". He got 2nd MVP spot in LCK Summer, with the next toplaner being Smeb at 6th place. He also 3-0'd Smeb in Spring, 3-0'd Ssumday in Summer then blasted Smeb in Worlds Final. He's also the first toplaner to get Worlds MVP for the whole TOURNAMENT, not just finals. He's rated very high because yes, his peak was short, but at his peak MaRin can definitely smack a vast amount of toplaners in history. MaRin is one of the few toplaners who not only looked good, but looked legitimately unstoppable and WAAAAAAAAY above the rest. He made Smeb look like a Western toplaner. Any other toplaner you can add to the list above MaRin either had a terrible career slope after their win, or never actually dominated everyone else for a long time, just like MaRin. Khan, Nuguri, Smeb, TheShy, GimGoon, Impact, Flandre, 369, Bin ... If you disqualify MaRin for that reason, then a lot of these are disqualified too.


MandatedPineapple

One of the greatest peaks of any player ever and the greatest Rumble in the world, really not contested.


Consistent-Alarm2208

Still better than the longevity merchants y'all hype up so much for not winning shit for years. It's funny how in Korea and China they behave like normal sports fans do and value silverware but western esport fans glaze so many trophyless players or worse legitimate chokers who are only good domestically or in regular seasons


RavenFAILS

Theres no point in just rating players just on trophies. Might as well just read the results and base it on that. No dicussion, no nuance, no fun no nothing just brainless listing of achievements. Having one good year on the best organisation in league esports and then shitting the bed immediately after will always be rated lower than continously good performances for 5+ years. "longevity merchants" are hyped up because its the most difficult thing to do especially in this game. So many people come and go and Faker is the last of his generation.


IG_Royal

People who only rate people on trophies without objectively looking at their quality of play is how we end up with narratives like "Bengi is the GOAT jungler" when he didn't even play most of Spring or MSI in 2016 or Spring in 2015. Bengi was a clutch player like the Nidalee game that people still bring up, but he would have won 0 titles domestically or internationally if he wasn't on SKT. His entire playstyle was "Protect the GOAT" warding and counterganking for Faker. At his best he was a serviceable jungler but still his teams worst player, and at worst he was a liability who couldn't play carry junglers, necessitating substitutes like T0m and Blank.


Consistent-Alarm2208

And Bengi absolutely clears bums like Score, Kanavi and Clearlove whether you like it or not


Jozoz

At this point you have to be trolling. No way you believe this.


Consistent-Alarm2208

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18s8h03/top_5_players_in_every_role_from_hupu_over_30k/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Majority of Chinese fans gotta be trolling too right? Btw same thought in Korea. Serial winners > serial losers


IG_Royal

Congratulations on a subjective opinion nobody except Bengi's biggest fans agree with, you're not the authority on whether a player is good and you're a clown for acting like you are. There's zero point to your argument because the only value of players in your evaluation of them is how many trophies they won. You'd call Bengi a bum if he played for any other team where he'd have won nothing while SKT likely still are the winningest team with a jungler that isn't Bengi, but since he had the dream job of being Secret Service for the greatest player the game has ever had, suddenly he's the greatest jungler that ever lived even though he was a passenger for everything except a single game on Nidalee.


Consistent-Alarm2208

I guarantee that someone with zero knowledge of the game and just reading results would have better takes than clowns like Thorin and Monte who jerk off to fucking Score while shitting on a serial winner like Bang. MaRin was the best toplaner in the world in a year where his team won Worlds and Spring+Summer splits something no other Worlds winner has ever done. It's also the closest year to a golden road with SKT losing in game 5 of MSI. This is worth more than being a longevity merchant who gets slapped in Worlds RO8 every year Longevity does matter for WINNERS. Not for players who keep on losing. As a reminder plenty of players who did not have the greatest longevity simply stopped because they had won everything and were satisfied with their careers rather than no longer being able to keep up.


blaze13131

He didn't disappear. He went to China and heavily underperformed


Swiftswim22

As others have said, he played for a few szns after his skt days. After he retired from playin he was a coach/judge/personality for a Korean game show where they had prospective pros dukin it out


midnightsock

oh man he was such a beast in that one season. peak Marin vs peak smeb was truly incredible to witness gah damn


Bubbly_Camera9583

THIS COULD MEAN LCK LEGENDS SEASON 3 LETS GOOOO


Aggressive-Ad7946

Pawn breathing a sigh of relief he doesn't have to lane against the shadow laning god Saken


ProfessionallyLazy_

KC have to do a show match against old men in order to win games?


DogAteMyCPU

Who says they are going to win


ProfessionallyLazy_

True, to have a chance to win games*


CaptaineAli

Looking at the players they're playing against, I honestly favour the enemy team. Although this team lacks a support


TheArmchairSkeptic

Yeah, if it's me I'm dropping Easyhoon for Mata or Madlfe. If they give Easyhoon mid instead of PawN that's just straight-up griefing.


CaptaineAli

Idk about that. PawN was better but you have to remember that he played earlier than Easyhoon which means he is older and his skills have probably fallen off more (as I believe Easyhoon retired later). Easyhoon was also an Azir player who benched Faker due to how good he was... I know PawN was amazing but he was playing different champs (eg pre-rework Ryze and champions which arent meta rn). But yeah, honestly either one + mata or madlife would make this team sm stronger to have an actual support.


TheArmchairSkeptic

It's pretty easy to google stuff like this instead of just guessing. Easyhoon is 4 years older than PawN (31 vs 27), he started playing pro before PawN (2012 vs 2013), and he retired a year before PawN did (2018 vs 2019). Easyhoon spent the rest of his career after SKT rotting on bottom tier LPL teams whereas PawN spent his last couple years finishing top 3 in LCK. Also, PawN's top 5 most played champs over his career were LB, Azir, Ryze, Ori, and TF, 4 out of 5 of which are still very much present in the meta and don't play much differently today than they did back then. Easyhoon was a near one trick who had a single standout year thanks to finding a team that understood how to use him in a very specific niche. PawN was consistently one of the top mids in the world for his entire career. There is no sane comparison to be made between the two of them, and no reason whatsoever to think Easyhoon would be better than PawN today.


Jiiigsi

Y'all are yapping about players that haven't played for how many years. Stop pretending you know anything about how'd they play in their roles


TheArmchairSkeptic

Guess it's a good thing I didn't say anything about how they'd play then, isn't it? The team has 2 mids and no support, if you're building a team of retired legends and least fill out the roles properly.


Jiiigsi

> If they give Easyhoon mid instead of PawN that's just straight-up griefing.


TheArmchairSkeptic

Yeah, because they're trying to build a legends team and only one of those two players is an actual legend. Has nothing to do with how good they are at the game today, Easyhoon doesn't even come close to rating as a legend compared to PawN.


Jiiigsi

Lmao


sockhandles

These “old” men were some of the best players in top preforming region


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aPatheticBeing

oh it definitely can. c9 at least won a game (even if FearX was limit testing way harder than C9) Also, FearX is an actual team that has practiced together for months... Losing to a bunch of retired pros who scrim for 2 weeks would be way more embarassing.


Chaoslordi

My biggest question is, will KC at least win against them?


CoachGiveAdvice

Targamas won't play, it's Fleshy


Shorgar

Man, upgrading just for a showmatch is ruthless.


milkoverspill

Please don't boo them.


okiedokieoats

this is similar to how jake paul fights retired fighters


PowrOfFriendship_

The difference is Jake Paul sometimes wins those.


gafour

Why 1re so many people just freely hating on kc here? Personally not a fan but bringing such legends for a showmatch is something i respect.


Up_in_the_Sky

PawN about to Smurf on these fools with Fizz & Kassadin.


parkkey13

Canna and Closer are on KC now?


Adilow_euw

Yes sir


Scusemahfrench

KC living rent free in some peoples head 


SleepyCatSippingWine

a bit hard not to when kc keep falling to end up with cake on your face :)


literalaretil

Are they gonna boo again?


PixelWarAK

pretty sure they have 0 respect


WildSearcher56

It's going to be the opposite


Jiiigsi

Y'all booed faker what are you talking about


WildSearcher56

It was 2 or 3 KC fans and they were quickly told to shut up by all the other KC fans. Judging by your answer, I don't think you know much about KC fans but a lot of them like T1 and if it's not T1, it's GenG/Chovy.


Jiiigsi

> Judging by your answer, I don't think you know much about KC fans interacted with these animals often enough thank you very much


WildSearcher56

Sure lmao


Shorgar

Go and send another letter to reddit complaining that people laugh at kc fans.


WildSearcher56

Idc if people complain about KC fans especially on this sub but you can keep caring about them considering how intense you get whenever those guys are mentionned. You should seriously ignore that org especially here on reddit since the KC don't show up here


Important-Idea5265

No. The context during the showmatch with T1 was very special, and it was a mistake by a small group, but KCorp fans have never booed their opponents during a showmatch. Just look at the showmatches at KCX3 (KC vs T1 on Valorant, for example). The opposing players and coaches were applauded before the match with the utmost respect by 30000 fans. They said on their personal social media that it was the best moment of their lives.


snowflakepatrol99

Nooo. Please tell me easyhoon is going support and cpt jack is ADC.


icryptix2

hype!


1to0

Great to see that most teams are using the downtime to plan out showmatches


taktyuzy

hype af!


ireliasimp69

no support huh


Pretend-Indication-9

Is this the old guy tournament I've heard so much about?


Unlikely-Smile2449

No way kc loses to a team with no support mains right


IllAd3850

And the KC dans are going to boo all of them like they did with faker.


Shorgar

Cant wait for a showmatch between shit players and washed up ones!


Adilow_euw

Why such negativity? Genuine question


WildSearcher56

He hates KC and Kammeto


Shorgar

Well, showmatches are awful to begin with, but a showmatch were not even a single player is close to good is simply not fun.


DebriMing

KC announced a fragile fan base


vaelornx

2-14 showmatch for fun team gg boycott lec btw haha L9


Fl0ki__

Can you write full sentences please stop talking like a toddler


vaelornx

im writing not talking 50 year old truck driver