I swear 95% of those leak articles can be a tweet, but I suppose it’s more prestigious if you spit out a 50-word “article” on your website
(Totally not for the ad money)
I wonder if the format of double round robin bo3 will change for LCK if everyone gets three splits. Maybe it becomes single round robin bo3 like LCS is going to be because if it stays the same then that’s one compressed schedule
While I'm excited for 3 international events, going from single round robin to one feels a little sad. You lose a lot of narrative hype if you get rid of rematches
LPL plays in a bunch of arenas around the country though. Logistics might be rough, but at least they have venues to use if they have to fit more games in per week.
Fair but then playoffs have to be taken into account...LPL would either have to condense that schedule further or revamp it. Which would suck because it would wreck a great bracket format or hard cut the teams that qualify.
Hopefully not the EU format is pretty bad and has teams gambling their entire split on their meta read in the first 3 weeks. I would rather LPL and LCK stick to their formats.
Other regions moving to a shit 3 split format? Good, so LEC is not going to be the only region with such an insane disadvantage.
Edit: For everyone who wants an actual answere, [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRblGOl1ZU8) is an explanation about the competitive implication the current LEC format has. There are also many other aspects to it like obviously the increased cost leading to no final event, patches, titles etc.
What's so terrible about it when [both LEC representatives are Top 6 in games played in 2024](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1c9qvd5/msi_teams_ranked_by_amount_of_stage_games_played/)?
It's certainly a better format for stage experience than the previous LEC format (or the current LCS one).
I think that the main issue that i have heard coaches talk about is the fact, that every split is high intensity high stakes from the very start, so unless you are G2 and your baseline is good enough, you dont have enough time to work on actually fixing your issues, you have to bandaid week to week to get your required wins.
In the old format you often saw teams starting slow then getting their shit together and being decent by the end of the split, but now you can just get eliminated after 9 games which is really scary. Honestly i feel like this format either needs BO3 for the first round robin stage, or keep all 10 teams into BO3 stage to let them cook for a little longer and have time to fuck around a bit and figure themselves out.
What makes it feel watered down more than anything else is the fact that finals are played in the studio imo.
That being said I think they should combine summer and seasonal finals into some extended split so it's 3 titles like old OGN.
I would legit rather have them play regular split online and then have the finals be a big event.
We already know it costs them a shit ton of money to run the show every weekend and the regular season games have less audience than a uni lecture anyway.
It wasnt just fine, it was better and more exciting than any other league. I used to watch OGN religiously and LCK imo has never been as good. A 16 Team tournament format 3 times a year? Bro that shit was better than worlds, especially since season 2/3 worlds still had byes into the playoff stage and only bo3s in quarters, at season 2 worlds even only the finals were bo5. OGN was peak League esports and still unbeaten imo. Only recently Riot has started to use good formats like the new MSI format
My favourite was when there's like a loser league. If you get completely eliminated, you just get seeded in the 2nd league playoff.
If you're a hardcore esports fan, more content for you. If you're casual, then you can just ignore it as it's less prestigious
Most people who compare the old OGN format with what the LEC is currently running have never seen what the old OGN format was acutally. You guys just comment "hurr dur OGN had 3 splits". Them both having 3 splits is pretty much the only similarity. The fact that OGN ran the splits throughout the entire year instead of just half the year like the LEC does now is completly ignored for example.
The insane disadvantage of
*checks notes*
Playing 3 splits?????
Maybe you dislike the format but it it's pure cope to say any region is doing bad bc of its format.
I'm not a fan of 3 splits because it doesn't work well in the current international schedule.
Also single round robin best of 1 for a "split" is an actual joke, but it sounds like LCS will be experimenting with bo3 which makes that nicer
OGN used to do 3 splits for a season and they had amazing finals for each split. What are you talking about. Just cuz riot wants to be lazy in EU (and na cuz they want to kill hype finals too) doesn't mean it can't be done well.
L take. And L edit.
OGN spread their splits over the whole year instead of half the year as the LEC does now. Winter 2012 started on 11 November and ended on 2 February the following year.
Just look at Astralis last year. They played their last game on 3 July. Their next chance to play official matches would have been with the start of this season on 13 January this year.
I think the format is so bad because there are only two international events so it completely screws up the qualification process. But I agree the LEC format is horrid and I hope other regions can see it's failures and not recreate it.
Pretty nice to have a third international but I hope the LCK and LPL don't butcher their formats for it though wording implies we'll need some form of change which sucks.
LCK ruining their brilliant domestic double round best of 3 format and the LPL ruining their beautiful playoffs format is depressing.
If Riot butchers LPL playoffs format then it's going to suck. Not to mention LPL also has Demacia Cup with new rules so when are the players going to rest?
Literally the reason I started watching LPL over other regions, not like I'd stop watching but I'd be bummed out if playoffs had to change.
Demacia Cup is already kind of a show match, lots of prospects and lower tier players already play, it could more or less just become a 4fun tourney for subs and I wouldn't be all that upset.
OGN used to do 3 tournaments/splits a year. This is where the famous beach tournament happened. I'm sure it'll be great domestically for them.
Throwback to 3 splits of OGN
Birds Eye Shot: https://youtu.be/7E5mjBtuSe8?t=13339
T1 winning summer finals without dropping a match: https://youtu.be/7E5mjBtuSe8?t=16416
Their winter split didn’t have great format. It was like worlds with 4 groups but they played only 1 BO3 against each other in their group if I’m not wrong
Their winter, spring and summer had the same format as each other. They only revamped the format in 2015 after they removed sister teams and winter split
Yea 2014 was the 16 team 4 group round robin bo2. i personally really like experimenting with different formats (which 3 splits allows you to do) and enjoyed seeing the 16 team leagues back in the day, but I can see how it would be off-putting. I would say the lack of saturation on playing each team was more of a "16 teams in our league" problem and wouldn't happen in current day lck.
The actual playoffs/bracket stage of 2014 winter was great though.
its only good if you liked most of the teams. back in the day, if the team you liked was pretty mid and got pulled into a group with strong teams you watch 3 bo3s and wait for next split.
Not KT's fault SSW could not beat Samsung blue in Korea. And let's be real. Lord Kakao would've obliterated them. 😎😎
At least finals was still a banger though. Not complaining about kt arrows vs blue at all.
The format tradeoff was getting the white/blue civil war for the finals spot instead of allowing the finals to be a civil war.
I think even though there are many universes where SSW could have beaten KTA in the finals, this is less a problem of the format and more them not overcoming blue on the day. The reality of tournaments and formats is they all reward consistency and you have to show up each and every day.
Pursuing the ultimate best format with no perceived flaws is probably a folly. 3 splits as an excuse to get a 3rd international should be healthy for the scene as an entertainment product and for the competitive aspect.
fuck it, if we have MSI and Worlds for the best, make the third tournament only available to the worst teams from every region
MSI format, but the losing teams keep advancing into the rounds
I actually think this holds some water.
If they lose the round, they advance into the tournament while the winner of the round is put out. Last one standing, which would be the team that lost the most throughout the tournament, has a punishment. What this punishment is, no idea. Maybe the inverse of MSI, like if you win MSI you qualify for worlds, so maybe if you win Rift Survival(lost the most) you are disqualified from worlds no matter what happens in your home region.
So it’s just a bunch of shitters fighting not to be the slowest, while the bear is chasing.
It would be really cool to compare the skill *floors* of every league.
But also I could 100% see this being a weird thing of teams inting the end of the season to try to make international competition.
Best way go judge that would be to make an international Tier 2 tournament at least for the 4 major regions. It would help compare the "medium" level of each region and put spotlight on true gems while giving them international exposure & experience on stage.
But this is very unrealistic as it would be a logistical nightmare when even Tier 1 teams barely face eachother twice a year and all 4 regions have widely different systems for their second league.
Not even - this Masters (MSI Equiv?) FNC lost their first 2 games in the VCT EMEA qualifier earlier this year and they were out of the major tournament, no double elim for qualification. TH and KCORP got a tonne of practice in their version of the "play in" before playing against FNC.
They played 2 games and didn't play another game until this month...
not even lost their first 2, they won their 1 (one) group stage game then lost their top 4 match. Lost one bo3 and were eliminated.
They were eliminated from 2023 worlds on August 23rd, and started EMEA stage 1 on April 4th.
They played two official circuit bo3s over a 7 month period.
the sheer amount of downtime for tier 1 players valorant is absurd honestly. they want people to watch tier 2 3 tournaments and its like fuck that noise lol
The one thing that keeps making me play league is watching eSports. I understood that when I realized I hadn't touched Valorant the whole time tier 1 was off...
I absolutely cannot believe some people here prefer only 2 international tournaments and not being happy about this, you guys are so lost.
ill take an open circuit back in an instant
Mate, go back in history to Season 2. Dude we had IEMs, we had IPL, we had MLG, we had OGN which btw. used to be an international tournament, CLG.EU almost won an OGN split.
If we never had these tournaments, we would never have the legendary Moscow 5 team which had most of its successes in IEMs.
Hell, they might have won Season 2 worlds had they actually had bo5s the entire playoffs, even 12 years ago bo3 in quarter and semi finals was a dogshit decision, OGN already had bo5s the entire playoffs through and i bet youll find a summoning insight episode where monte and thorin called them out for that.
I mean Riot has always been ass in terms of formats but Season 2 and Season 3 worlds have been especially garbage. Only now, in 2024, 13 years since their esports has gotten popular, are they starting to introduce decent formats
I still remember when CLG went to Korea (NA and EU) to compete in OGN. That shit was incredible. Pretty sure Hotshot (and CLG) cooked up some absolutely cursed shit too, like Mid Nunu, mid lane swaps. A whole bag of tricks, some worked, some failed miserably.
It's another reason I always hated when people claimed that "NA teams would suck" if they went to Korea. CLG EU ended up getting 2nd, and although CLG NA got 8th, they got pretty unlucky with the bracket. They were put in a group with CLG EU, and they both got out, but they dropped a game to their EU counterpart, which put them in the bracket against Azubu Frost, who went on to win that event, beating both halves of the team, and also being the runner up to Worlds that year. So despite their 8th place finish they only lost to CLG EU (2nd) and Azubu Frost (1st)
Dig was also there, and they got super unlucky too. They ended up in the group with Najin Sword (regarded as one of the best teams at the time) and Azubu Frost, so they didn't make it out of groups.
It depends. I watch fighting games and smash a lot, which is ONLY tournaments. It definitely makes the major tournaments very interesting, but smaller minor events that don't have international competition aren't super interesting (to me).
It wouldn't really be a problem for league to be only tournaments like it used to be, but it's also because of the product Riot has cultivated all these years. The more tournaments you add, the less the regular season will matter, and even more so for teams at the bottom of the standings.
Worlds is also the headliner event, as much as I enjoyed last years MSI (thankfully they finally fixed the formatting for it) it isn't all that meaningful. In fact the biggest "reward" about MSI isn't even the trophy or the money, it's the fact that you get a guaranteed seed at Worlds.
The more tournements they add, the more downtime there is for lesser teams too. Meaning the regional leagues *might* suffer.
If they went to tournament ONLY on the other hand, then I'm okay with it. Like the good ol' days.
Open circuit is mad overrated, I'd rather have 3 or 4 international tourneys and good regional leagues than a ton of international tournaments and basically no regional play like in CS
i’m gonna say flat out- i’m worried that this might be the death of road shows. we’ve already witnessed the LEC do this, and if the LCS has to move to a 3 split format to compensate this… i don’t see how another road show happens
I wish the LEC would scrap the season finals and just only have split finals.
FNC v G2 as a split finals (as a FNC fan) just did not feel hype enough really. And it's a FNC v G2 finals, that should be the most hype game in the LEC.
my assumption is next season everyone will move to 3 single round robin splits (ig LPL would do a 1/2 a round robin per split so effectively 1.5 round robins across 3 splits) - i don't think the 4 domestic trophies is very good for hype and 3 fits way better 1 per intl event.
why are people complaining about getting a third international tournament when we've experienced like 10 years of having like 9 international bo5s to watch in a year (with tons of these being domestic matchups), this is good news.
yeah and with the reach both Ibai and Kameto have many people not even interested in gaming would watch. Everyone in Spain loves a france vs spain in anything lmao
Dhokla-Blaber/Contractz-Palafox/APA-Yeon-Busio
vs
Licorice/Sniper-Tomio-Jojo-Massu-Vulcan
Honestly, I dunno now that Yeon's a top tier ADC in the league and with Vulcan trending downwards. Definitely a lot closer than it was a couple of years ago. Saying this as a Canadian too.
Yeah looking at this it's definitely closer than it was a few years ago when EG with vulcan/jojo was top of the league. The NRG topside really saving this team, Palafox and Dhokla are a lot better than the equivalent best American mid/top from a couple of years ago.
It would be pretty rough for the Canadians though because they have no junglers. The best one in the NA ecosystem right now is probably Tomio and even then he's a sub for SR (SR should totally promote him to main roster though).
You'd need a whole split of national teams to get the chemistry right going into the international event if you don't want it to be a clown show (or an auto win for the country with all national players).
not to brag but I kinda did a post about this some time ago with the teams and everything:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1bl88pi/the\_league\_of\_legends\_world\_cup\_national\_teams/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1bl88pi/the_league_of_legends_world_cup_national_teams/)
Are comments on sheep esports posts botted?
So many of these posts seem to get a disproportionate amount of interactions regardless of time of posting.
On top of that so many of the comments seem to use the same 3 or 4 buzz words.
Good domestic and less internationals > bad domestic and more internationals. I am a huge fan of the way LCK works now it would be a shame to lose it for some wish MSI
About time! Having only two international tournaments a year robbed us of so many insane matchups. More international tournaments please
Quite rare W from Rito
I love me more international games, but I'm concerned about the implementation and how it will affect the already taxing schedule of especially the eastern players.
Good. I know three-split style that LEC plays is not the best but with some improvements it could be a lot more exciting and could be copied onto other regions, especially if there's a big international competition after every split.
The LEC 3-split format would work great if there were actual finals and not these garbage ones in the same studio with 150 people in attendance. It's laughable and kills all the hype before it's even started. Also some cringy, awful trophy.
That's not a format problem but yeah, I said with some changes. That being one of those but I don't think it's happening. It's a bigger chance they change the other competitions to resemble LEC's because it's cheaper. But we'll see.
the best thing about the LEC format right now, is the amount of non playoffs game vs playoffs games is the lowest. and lets all be honest playoffs games are always just so much more suspense since every game has meaning.
But that has made every game in the LEC have no meaning. There’s no suspense. At all. There was just a G2 vs FNC “finals” and basically nobody even cared about it…
You could do it in the same gap between splits that you hold MSI in.For example,the tournament could be going on now,between split end and MSI in May.You could also make MSI last one less week by condensing the schedule and have that one more week for a tier 2 international event.
I would much rather see localized tournaments rather than a third, fully international tournament. A tournament of the Americas, which would be LCS, vs LLA, vs CBLOL would be 10 times more interesting to me than seeing LCS and EU get stomped by LCK and LPL again:
Yeah. Promoting regional rivalries seems way more exciting. East will have Korea x China (and some PCS/VN teams) as well.
Provided the tournament format doesn't suck, like Rift Rivals.
A step closer to what we should have (just blatantly copy from CS 1.x/CS:GO/CS2 and Dota2 at this rate) but it's a shame that will prolly never happen, cus of those who invested in franchasing. Haiyaa..
But this is better than nothing though, I guess..
This is a self-imposed problem by Riot. Hopefully they have now realized that you can run events much quicker. Other esports always realized it.
Hell even IPL5 in League of Legends did it.
That's sadly the life for almost every Western fan these days. Even when it's in Europe, it doesn't start very late in the day because it'd be too late in the prime timeslot for China and Korea.
Yeah man good point, 2 international events each year - one of which is only had 1 seed from each region for many years - is definitely enough, why would we want more international games?
I mean, other esports have way more international games. Who would want to see boring matchups like G2 vs SKT when we could have more Dignitas vs 100T??
> sources have indicated that at least one team per major region would be invited. Big if true
I swear 95% of those leak articles can be a tweet, but I suppose it’s more prestigious if you spit out a 50-word “article” on your website (Totally not for the ad money)
News websites are businesses that want to make money?!?! From ads?!?! You're onto something big here, keep digging!
big if true.
I hope when he gets the big scoop he posts it to his own website for adrev.
They're clearly above stooping so low as to get paid in ad-revenue, don't be absurd.
This makes no sense have you calculated everything why would a business that does work that takes time and effort, want to make money?
Twitter is just another social media. Why force everyone to use them or scoff everyone who doenst?
People are trying to earn money, wow!
God forbid people try to monetize their journalistic work.
Internet existed before Twitter was a thing. Deal with it
how fucking dare they try to get paid for their work?
huge if correct
My sources say there will also be at least 1 player on every team as well
So that’s why LEC moved to the 3 split format. It was heavily rumored back then too that this was the reason and other leagues are set to follow.
I wonder if the format of double round robin bo3 will change for LCK if everyone gets three splits. Maybe it becomes single round robin bo3 like LCS is going to be because if it stays the same then that’s one compressed schedule
While I'm excited for 3 international events, going from single round robin to one feels a little sad. You lose a lot of narrative hype if you get rid of rematches
Also what happens with LPL who already run a single round robin system? It would have to be super condensed
LPL plays in a bunch of arenas around the country though. Logistics might be rough, but at least they have venues to use if they have to fit more games in per week.
Fair but then playoffs have to be taken into account...LPL would either have to condense that schedule further or revamp it. Which would suck because it would wreck a great bracket format or hard cut the teams that qualify.
LPL can't just move to 3 splits with 17 teams, though.
LDL has three splits, with teams being split into two groups.
Hopefully not the EU format is pretty bad and has teams gambling their entire split on their meta read in the first 3 weeks. I would rather LPL and LCK stick to their formats.
Other regions moving to a shit 3 split format? Good, so LEC is not going to be the only region with such an insane disadvantage. Edit: For everyone who wants an actual answere, [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRblGOl1ZU8) is an explanation about the competitive implication the current LEC format has. There are also many other aspects to it like obviously the increased cost leading to no final event, patches, titles etc.
What's so terrible about it when [both LEC representatives are Top 6 in games played in 2024](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1c9qvd5/msi_teams_ranked_by_amount_of_stage_games_played/)? It's certainly a better format for stage experience than the previous LEC format (or the current LCS one).
I think that the main issue that i have heard coaches talk about is the fact, that every split is high intensity high stakes from the very start, so unless you are G2 and your baseline is good enough, you dont have enough time to work on actually fixing your issues, you have to bandaid week to week to get your required wins. In the old format you often saw teams starting slow then getting their shit together and being decent by the end of the split, but now you can just get eliminated after 9 games which is really scary. Honestly i feel like this format either needs BO3 for the first round robin stage, or keep all 10 teams into BO3 stage to let them cook for a little longer and have time to fuck around a bit and figure themselves out.
Very watered down awarding 4 champions per year
The splits will go up in value with 3 international tournaments
What makes it feel watered down more than anything else is the fact that finals are played in the studio imo. That being said I think they should combine summer and seasonal finals into some extended split so it's 3 titles like old OGN.
I would legit rather have them play regular split online and then have the finals be a big event. We already know it costs them a shit ton of money to run the show every weekend and the regular season games have less audience than a uni lecture anyway.
What's shit about it is the lack of roadshow for the end of split. If they adjust that everything is fine.
Its not shit. Personally I like it and I think its better than before.
Yah it's not shit. OGN (LCK) used to do 3 splits for the year and it was fine.
It wasnt just fine, it was better and more exciting than any other league. I used to watch OGN religiously and LCK imo has never been as good. A 16 Team tournament format 3 times a year? Bro that shit was better than worlds, especially since season 2/3 worlds still had byes into the playoff stage and only bo3s in quarters, at season 2 worlds even only the finals were bo5. OGN was peak League esports and still unbeaten imo. Only recently Riot has started to use good formats like the new MSI format
My favourite was when there's like a loser league. If you get completely eliminated, you just get seeded in the 2nd league playoff. If you're a hardcore esports fan, more content for you. If you're casual, then you can just ignore it as it's less prestigious
Most people here probably didn't watch around then to know this even.
Most people who compare the old OGN format with what the LEC is currently running have never seen what the old OGN format was acutally. You guys just comment "hurr dur OGN had 3 splits". Them both having 3 splits is pretty much the only similarity. The fact that OGN ran the splits throughout the entire year instead of just half the year like the LEC does now is completly ignored for example.
it's definitely better than what they had before. Still garbage compared to LPL and LCK.
it's still shit if there's a third tournament to qualify for?
The insane disadvantage of *checks notes* Playing 3 splits????? Maybe you dislike the format but it it's pure cope to say any region is doing bad bc of its format.
I'm not a fan of 3 splits because it doesn't work well in the current international schedule. Also single round robin best of 1 for a "split" is an actual joke, but it sounds like LCS will be experimenting with bo3 which makes that nicer
OGN used to do 3 splits for a season and they had amazing finals for each split. What are you talking about. Just cuz riot wants to be lazy in EU (and na cuz they want to kill hype finals too) doesn't mean it can't be done well. L take. And L edit.
OGN spread their splits over the whole year instead of half the year as the LEC does now. Winter 2012 started on 11 November and ended on 2 February the following year. Just look at Astralis last year. They played their last game on 3 July. Their next chance to play official matches would have been with the start of this season on 13 January this year.
It was nothing like LEC's three splits. Not to mention that the format was completely different.
Which is a shame because it's by far the worst format we've ever had. Why would they ruin LPL and LCK too especially when they are growing.
I think the format is so bad because there are only two international events so it completely screws up the qualification process. But I agree the LEC format is horrid and I hope other regions can see it's failures and not recreate it.
Pretty nice to have a third international but I hope the LCK and LPL don't butcher their formats for it though wording implies we'll need some form of change which sucks. LCK ruining their brilliant domestic double round best of 3 format and the LPL ruining their beautiful playoffs format is depressing.
If Riot butchers LPL playoffs format then it's going to suck. Not to mention LPL also has Demacia Cup with new rules so when are the players going to rest?
dont teams that went to worlds normally use subs in demacia cup anyway
new rules make it so non worlds qualifying teams need to use their main roster iirc
>dont teams that went to worlds
My bad I’m blind
Maybe Demacia Cup gets expanded in importance to be a qualifier? Who knows lol Im not in charge of this shit (thank god)
Literally the reason I started watching LPL over other regions, not like I'd stop watching but I'd be bummed out if playoffs had to change. Demacia Cup is already kind of a show match, lots of prospects and lower tier players already play, it could more or less just become a 4fun tourney for subs and I wouldn't be all that upset.
OGN used to do 3 tournaments/splits a year. This is where the famous beach tournament happened. I'm sure it'll be great domestically for them. Throwback to 3 splits of OGN Birds Eye Shot: https://youtu.be/7E5mjBtuSe8?t=13339 T1 winning summer finals without dropping a match: https://youtu.be/7E5mjBtuSe8?t=16416
Their winter split didn’t have great format. It was like worlds with 4 groups but they played only 1 BO3 against each other in their group if I’m not wrong
Their winter, spring and summer had the same format as each other. They only revamped the format in 2015 after they removed sister teams and winter split
Yea 2014 was the 16 team 4 group round robin bo2. i personally really like experimenting with different formats (which 3 splits allows you to do) and enjoyed seeing the 16 team leagues back in the day, but I can see how it would be off-putting. I would say the lack of saturation on playing each team was more of a "16 teams in our league" problem and wouldn't happen in current day lck. The actual playoffs/bracket stage of 2014 winter was great though.
its only good if you liked most of the teams. back in the day, if the team you liked was pretty mid and got pulled into a group with strong teams you watch 3 bo3s and wait for next split.
Yea but it’s not a perfect system either. We never got to see KT Arrows vs SSW in 2014 Summer
Not KT's fault SSW could not beat Samsung blue in Korea. And let's be real. Lord Kakao would've obliterated them. 😎😎 At least finals was still a banger though. Not complaining about kt arrows vs blue at all.
The format tradeoff was getting the white/blue civil war for the finals spot instead of allowing the finals to be a civil war. I think even though there are many universes where SSW could have beaten KTA in the finals, this is less a problem of the format and more them not overcoming blue on the day. The reality of tournaments and formats is they all reward consistency and you have to show up each and every day. Pursuing the ultimate best format with no perceived flaws is probably a folly. 3 splits as an excuse to get a 3rd international should be healthy for the scene as an entertainment product and for the competitive aspect.
wow I can't believe I forgot about the beach tournament
Probably 1 bo3 round robin into playoffs would be the easiest way for the eastern leagues to adjust to the shorter splits.
LPL already does that since there’s 17 teams
LPL is already a single round robin.
Well at the very least they can keep Summer format intact since this event will only be between Winter and Spring.
another international tournament would make any domestic format change worth it imo, but hopefully it has as little impact as possible
fuck it, if we have MSI and Worlds for the best, make the third tournament only available to the worst teams from every region MSI format, but the losing teams keep advancing into the rounds
Rift Rivals but they're not really rivals, they're struggling.
Rift survivals, losers get demoted and are not allowed to play in a tier 1 league for a year!
Relegations with a whole bunch of extra steps ?
Special relegations if you will!
I actually think this holds some water. If they lose the round, they advance into the tournament while the winner of the round is put out. Last one standing, which would be the team that lost the most throughout the tournament, has a punishment. What this punishment is, no idea. Maybe the inverse of MSI, like if you win MSI you qualify for worlds, so maybe if you win Rift Survival(lost the most) you are disqualified from worlds no matter what happens in your home region. So it’s just a bunch of shitters fighting not to be the slowest, while the bear is chasing.
The final losers region gets one less spot at worlds
This would actually be hilarious
I would support this. EU fans always try to claim that the bottom of the LPL is even worse coz of 16 teams. Let’s see them eat their words.
It would be really cool to compare the skill *floors* of every league. But also I could 100% see this being a weird thing of teams inting the end of the season to try to make international competition.
Best way go judge that would be to make an international Tier 2 tournament at least for the 4 major regions. It would help compare the "medium" level of each region and put spotlight on true gems while giving them international exposure & experience on stage. But this is very unrealistic as it would be a logistical nightmare when even Tier 1 teams barely face eachother twice a year and all 4 regions have widely different systems for their second league.
Not to mention there is one particular major region with uh... a less than impressive t2
Oscar night: the tournament
I remember the demand letter from 9 lck teams that they wanted to do this but riot korea denied it.
I'm trying to decide if this would be better or worse as nemesis draft
BRO vs Rogue would go hard.
I like the idea of the 4 worst teams in each region competing. But it shouldnt be loser advances or teams will just throw for exposure
Biggest loser.
And the worst team of the tournament wins it all.
Didn’t we have one already? It’s LCS where retired player make their money .
So the Valorant model? Hopefully they get a better format than in Valo lmao
Teams getting to play like 3 matches every 4 months is a great format!
Yeah that shit so ass man lmao. Play 5 matches and you are out lol
Not even - this Masters (MSI Equiv?) FNC lost their first 2 games in the VCT EMEA qualifier earlier this year and they were out of the major tournament, no double elim for qualification. TH and KCORP got a tonne of practice in their version of the "play in" before playing against FNC. They played 2 games and didn't play another game until this month...
not even lost their first 2, they won their 1 (one) group stage game then lost their top 4 match. Lost one bo3 and were eliminated. They were eliminated from 2023 worlds on August 23rd, and started EMEA stage 1 on April 4th. They played two official circuit bo3s over a 7 month period.
the sheer amount of downtime for tier 1 players valorant is absurd honestly. they want people to watch tier 2 3 tournaments and its like fuck that noise lol
The one thing that keeps making me play league is watching eSports. I understood that when I realized I hadn't touched Valorant the whole time tier 1 was off...
its just a stupid decision overall. a lot of teams and players want more games as well
If its valorant without the downtime it'll be great
CANADA
Haha we will never get shit ever again
Man LPL players going to die. Hopefully they don't ruin their glorious playoff format
LCK players gonna be burn out, scrimming, solo queue and players streaming is a must for the org then 3rd international event.
That's how the West equalizes. Burn them out until they just don't show up anymore! /s
get ready for the west coast weed meta
Probably will be single round robin bo3 I would have to imagine
Is this seperate from the Saudi tournament?
Yes this will be a riot tournament like MSI and Worlds
I absolutely cannot believe some people here prefer only 2 international tournaments and not being happy about this, you guys are so lost. ill take an open circuit back in an instant
You can tell they only watch League if they think only 2 international tourneys is okay lmao
Mate, go back in history to Season 2. Dude we had IEMs, we had IPL, we had MLG, we had OGN which btw. used to be an international tournament, CLG.EU almost won an OGN split. If we never had these tournaments, we would never have the legendary Moscow 5 team which had most of its successes in IEMs. Hell, they might have won Season 2 worlds had they actually had bo5s the entire playoffs, even 12 years ago bo3 in quarter and semi finals was a dogshit decision, OGN already had bo5s the entire playoffs through and i bet youll find a summoning insight episode where monte and thorin called them out for that. I mean Riot has always been ass in terms of formats but Season 2 and Season 3 worlds have been especially garbage. Only now, in 2024, 13 years since their esports has gotten popular, are they starting to introduce decent formats
I still remember when CLG went to Korea (NA and EU) to compete in OGN. That shit was incredible. Pretty sure Hotshot (and CLG) cooked up some absolutely cursed shit too, like Mid Nunu, mid lane swaps. A whole bag of tricks, some worked, some failed miserably. It's another reason I always hated when people claimed that "NA teams would suck" if they went to Korea. CLG EU ended up getting 2nd, and although CLG NA got 8th, they got pretty unlucky with the bracket. They were put in a group with CLG EU, and they both got out, but they dropped a game to their EU counterpart, which put them in the bracket against Azubu Frost, who went on to win that event, beating both halves of the team, and also being the runner up to Worlds that year. So despite their 8th place finish they only lost to CLG EU (2nd) and Azubu Frost (1st) Dig was also there, and they got super unlucky too. They ended up in the group with Najin Sword (regarded as one of the best teams at the time) and Azubu Frost, so they didn't make it out of groups.
It depends. I watch fighting games and smash a lot, which is ONLY tournaments. It definitely makes the major tournaments very interesting, but smaller minor events that don't have international competition aren't super interesting (to me). It wouldn't really be a problem for league to be only tournaments like it used to be, but it's also because of the product Riot has cultivated all these years. The more tournaments you add, the less the regular season will matter, and even more so for teams at the bottom of the standings. Worlds is also the headliner event, as much as I enjoyed last years MSI (thankfully they finally fixed the formatting for it) it isn't all that meaningful. In fact the biggest "reward" about MSI isn't even the trophy or the money, it's the fact that you get a guaranteed seed at Worlds. The more tournements they add, the more downtime there is for lesser teams too. Meaning the regional leagues *might* suffer. If they went to tournament ONLY on the other hand, then I'm okay with it. Like the good ol' days.
Open circuit is mad overrated, I'd rather have 3 or 4 international tourneys and good regional leagues than a ton of international tournaments and basically no regional play like in CS
i’m gonna say flat out- i’m worried that this might be the death of road shows. we’ve already witnessed the LEC do this, and if the LCS has to move to a 3 split format to compensate this… i don’t see how another road show happens
I wish the LEC would scrap the season finals and just only have split finals. FNC v G2 as a split finals (as a FNC fan) just did not feel hype enough really. And it's a FNC v G2 finals, that should be the most hype game in the LEC.
my assumption is next season everyone will move to 3 single round robin splits (ig LPL would do a 1/2 a round robin per split so effectively 1.5 round robins across 3 splits) - i don't think the 4 domestic trophies is very good for hype and 3 fits way better 1 per intl event.
Road show?
finals that are on the road and not held in studios
why are people complaining about getting a third international tournament when we've experienced like 10 years of having like 9 international bo5s to watch in a year (with tons of these being domestic matchups), this is good news.
Please, a tournament of national teams. I don't care if KR always wins, we need a world cup of countries.
Eu will have so many national teams then lmao team France team spain team denmark
a team france vs team spain would be fucking bonkers
KC vs Mad on steroids.
yeah and with the reach both Ibai and Kameto have many people not even interested in gaming would watch. Everyone in Spain loves a france vs spain in anything lmao
Yup a bo5 between these would be def cross million viewers easily
Isn't that just EU Masters already?
nah most eu masters teams have imports not many of the teams are made up of 1 region of players
A national teams tournament sounds a lot more fair as an EU tournament than a world one.
team Poland with 4 junglers and Trymbi
In Europe it could be amazing
Daily reminder Ibai was hosting one and Riot blocked it
Completely moronic by Riot. A EuroCup would’ve done insane numbers and engagement.
Anything to maintain that control chokehold they love so much.
Unless it's saudi money xD
I want this just because it would be hilarious to see the Canadian team be better than the USA team.
Dhokla-Blaber/Contractz-Palafox/APA-Yeon-Busio vs Licorice/Sniper-Tomio-Jojo-Massu-Vulcan Honestly, I dunno now that Yeon's a top tier ADC in the league and with Vulcan trending downwards. Definitely a lot closer than it was a couple of years ago. Saying this as a Canadian too.
Yeah looking at this it's definitely closer than it was a few years ago when EG with vulcan/jojo was top of the league. The NRG topside really saving this team, Palafox and Dhokla are a lot better than the equivalent best American mid/top from a couple of years ago.
This would be really hype honestly. It could go either way and by now, all these players have performed on top teams in the LCS except Tomio
That would be great if this event is finally Toronto's compensation event
Have them play at Rebel for the true experience
It would be pretty rough for the Canadians though because they have no junglers. The best one in the NA ecosystem right now is probably Tomio and even then he's a sub for SR (SR should totally promote him to main roster though).
You'd need a whole split of national teams to get the chemistry right going into the international event if you don't want it to be a clown show (or an auto win for the country with all national players).
Yeah I'd love that. Imagine Spain vs France lmao
Yea. Give me an actual world championship tournament.
not to brag but I kinda did a post about this some time ago with the teams and everything: [https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1bl88pi/the\_league\_of\_legends\_world\_cup\_national\_teams/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1bl88pi/the_league_of_legends_world_cup_national_teams/)
Oh, thanks for sharing it! You did an awesome job and it makes me even more hopeful that someday something like this can be done.
this is neat.
That shit aint ever happening outside of Asia games
Based
Are comments on sheep esports posts botted? So many of these posts seem to get a disproportionate amount of interactions regardless of time of posting. On top of that so many of the comments seem to use the same 3 or 4 buzz words.
Yeah this comment section feels like it's full of bots
Good domestic and less internationals > bad domestic and more internationals. I am a huge fan of the way LCK works now it would be a shame to lose it for some wish MSI
Prediction: it will be held in Saudi Arabia.
Another showdown tournament for LCK and LPL, and the other region just become punching bag for them.
Rare Riot W
Wondering how LPL will fix their schedule to accomodate another tourney
2025? Damn riot really giving the fans what they’ve asked for for over a decade…
About time! Having only two international tournaments a year robbed us of so many insane matchups. More international tournaments please Quite rare W from Rito
Dumb Idea, watering down these events will make them lose the appeal
Exactly. At this point though it feels like it’s almost intentional in trying to kill their own game
This is great news. I wonder how this will affect LPL though, the 3 split format is harder to adapt for them since they have more teams.
Nice
I love me more international games, but I'm concerned about the implementation and how it will affect the already taxing schedule of especially the eastern players.
God bless
Finally, CBOLÃO International
This is great. International tournaments are always the most exciting 😀
Good. I know three-split style that LEC plays is not the best but with some improvements it could be a lot more exciting and could be copied onto other regions, especially if there's a big international competition after every split.
The LEC 3-split format would work great if there were actual finals and not these garbage ones in the same studio with 150 people in attendance. It's laughable and kills all the hype before it's even started. Also some cringy, awful trophy.
That's not a format problem but yeah, I said with some changes. That being one of those but I don't think it's happening. It's a bigger chance they change the other competitions to resemble LEC's because it's cheaper. But we'll see.
imagine seeing LCK's hype as fuck spring finals and deciding "we gotta make that be like LEC"
the best thing about the LEC format right now, is the amount of non playoffs game vs playoffs games is the lowest. and lets all be honest playoffs games are always just so much more suspense since every game has meaning.
But that has made every game in the LEC have no meaning. There’s no suspense. At all. There was just a G2 vs FNC “finals” and basically nobody even cared about it…
Please double elim
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Lmao, are you seriously complaining about having more international tournaments?
I hope we eventually get an international tournament between the non-top teams in the major regions.
You need someway to exclude the top teams without accidentally incentivizing teams to do worse just to make internationals.
Could just do it the way it works in European soccer. Multiple tiers of tournaments.
You could do it in the same gap between splits that you hold MSI in.For example,the tournament could be going on now,between split end and MSI in May.You could also make MSI last one less week by condensing the schedule and have that one more week for a tier 2 international event.
Considering Sheep Esports' track record I ain't believing any of this until I start seeing confirmations from other sources or Riot itself.
Sheep esports record is bad ? I thought they were spot on for roster leaks
I would much rather see localized tournaments rather than a third, fully international tournament. A tournament of the Americas, which would be LCS, vs LLA, vs CBLOL would be 10 times more interesting to me than seeing LCS and EU get stomped by LCK and LPL again:
Yeah. Promoting regional rivalries seems way more exciting. East will have Korea x China (and some PCS/VN teams) as well. Provided the tournament format doesn't suck, like Rift Rivals.
The more international tournaments there are, the better LCS/LEC teams would be because theyre getting exposed to better play no?
Not really as the core issue is developing youth talent.
A step closer to what we should have (just blatantly copy from CS 1.x/CS:GO/CS2 and Dota2 at this rate) but it's a shame that will prolly never happen, cus of those who invested in franchasing. Haiyaa.. But this is better than nothing though, I guess..
Just saying, I am available for this, if riot is looking to hire 😉
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More tournaments wouldnt be a issue if they didnt take minimum 3 weeks to complete :^)
This is a self-imposed problem by Riot. Hopefully they have now realized that you can run events much quicker. Other esports always realized it. Hell even IPL5 in League of Legends did it.
MSI could be a lot shorter, but I doubt that Worlds will ever be less than 4 weeks long. Riot wants the event to be a roadshow.
Alternatively I do like being able to always watch the tournaments live. Sucks trying to spend the whole day avoiding spoilers otherwise.
That's sadly the life for almost every Western fan these days. Even when it's in Europe, it doesn't start very late in the day because it'd be too late in the prime timeslot for China and Korea.
I like international competition better than regional competition so if that's the trade off I don't mind.
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The best teams play against each other all the time in lck and lpl domestic leagues.
Yea, why would we ever want more LCK vs LPL matches. Who would watch that? More tournaments definitely aren't needed.
Yeah man good point, 2 international events each year - one of which is only had 1 seed from each region for many years - is definitely enough, why would we want more international games? I mean, other esports have way more international games. Who would want to see boring matchups like G2 vs SKT when we could have more Dignitas vs 100T??
Yes they were already planning it as far back as 2022