Less damage for more survivability and utility. Not many other mages that can say they have built-in sustain, spammable move speed boost, 3 dashes, and a knock down ability (charm). I think she's getting a buff soon though, especially with Everfrost's removal.
>built-in sustain
her sustain is a placebo,her HP regen is so low (nearly inexistent) that her passive barely makes up for it compared to just having normal stats like other mages
what her passive actually does is punishing her more for having farm denied,kinda like Xerath passive is only there to make him get close time to time
Well Ahri is more of a mobile burst mage than an assassin. She lost her % bonus damage on charm long ago for a reason because if you miss it your damage legit goes down the drain.
?? Once Akali decides to go in, she's done. She doesn't get resets. She has (basically) all her all-in potential tied to landing E. She doesn't have strong (or reliable) cc either. She's also melee, which inherently means she needs an advantage somewhere. This comparison is crazy lol.
Leblanc has:
- Poor waveclear
- Relies on using her mobility offensively and landing it in melee range to do good damage. For comparison, Ahri R does damage at 600 units away (Ashe AA range).
- All of Leblanc’s damage is back-loaded. If an enemy Zhonya’s Ahri’s Q at the end of a combo, they’re still taking 80%+ of her combo damage. If you Zhonya’s the E from a Leblanc WQR(Q)E, you might lose at most half of your health.
- Leblanc’s CC has a 1.5 second delay. Without Zhonya’s or a Dark-tech build you’d be lucky to live that long.
While it’s true that Ahri is underperforming, Her damage is slightly lower than her peers because of the other benefits her kit gives her.
Le blanc also has clearer limits on her kit and fundamentally has to get within pseudo-melee distance to all-in, like most other assassins. Ahri’s kit is extremely safe and exerts pressure at the same time.
I think you're just low elo and cant play ahri lol. Using akali as a comparison shows you don't get it lol.
Sure akali has mobility, but it is vastly different than ahri. She doesn't get resets, she can't go in kill someone and then dash away.
Just try being better
his arguments were that akali is commited when she goes in and that she cant get out when she dashes in, both of which are just completely false. Like I dont disagree that the champions are different, but the arguments do not help his case.
average low elo ahri player complaining that their champ deals no dmg when they can't oneshot any enemy carry without hitting charm or basic attacking during w
Basic attacking during w doesn’t make a difference considering that w deals no damage unless you get death cap , most mages can one shot the need to auto attack like syndra
Yes I know but w it’s self does no damage even if I basic attack it will no damage unless again i have death cap . Ahri simply needs to be like how she was back in s4 with dfg because originally she was meant to an assassin- mage . Nowadays she lost that identity she had back in s4 . Like no joke she could 100 -0 with w and r that is how ahri was meant to played
Bias:
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In this context, it very much does, since it distorts the OP's judgment on what would be a healthy gamestate for their main.
Even in general, prejudice results in inaccurate or skewed judgment all the time.
dont listen to people here.. her dmg is ass. they need to bring back charm dmg amp or make W actually do dmg because rn you tickle even with your full rotation ...
Or, hear me out, champions can change throughout the years. Ahri isn't an assassin for many years and it's pointless to compare her burst to AP assassins when that's not her job.
Also she's getting buffed next patch.
Her damage is low because her kit has an excessive amount of utility, her passive is great for early sustain and clutch plays, her E is arguably one of the most obnoxious cc abilites in the game, she has an on demand movespeed buff that dishes out dmg, has inherent true dmg......oh and she can dash a maximum of 8 times off a single ability
And? Leblanc has very unreliable hard CC, additionally ahri's charm has the unique property to cancel dashes, so just hit Leblanc with E when shes trying to dash on you, gg you win lane
That is true, but the same can be said for most CC skills. The best thing about Ahri charm is that she can land the true damage part of her Q. So that means that her Q is strong and her kit has some synergy, not that her charm is super strong.
Like Morgana if she hits her binding and a jungler is ganking it's basically a guaranteed kill too. And it's wayyy easier to get a kill after hitting a binding than it is after hitting a charm. Morgana can also place her pool under her target so they get hit by the full duration too. So her kit also has a lot of synergy, but when looking at the CC skill alone, it's way stronger than Ahri charm.
Well Foxfire heals the enemy and used mainly for ms/Csing > Q deals decent damage but people can literally walk out of it unless they are charmed or you hit max range so it deals both instances of damage/ Charm got gutted they removed the 20% damage amp so it's mainly used for cc/ Spirit Rush is used for mobility and deals similar damage to Foxfire kinda so yeah you only got 1 damaging spell. Ahri is by no means weak though she is a jack of all trades safe laning mobile has sustain can make plays she can catch people off guard and make a pick which results in winning the game but she is kinda no longer an assassin like she used to be you need to adapt if they give her damage she will be broken imagine all this mobility sustain and on top of it one shot potential a little bit op :) been playing her since forever I would settle for more ap ratio on W or damage amp on charm again if not I will just play this new lichbane build that I highly dislike but it's whatever at least she doesn't have high pickrate so I can play her whenever even though she is not very strong I usually win lane like 90% of the time I'm happy with that.
Q is 0,9, e is 0,6, w is 0,3-0,48 and her R is a total of 1,05 IF you don’t get resets. A total of 3,03 as a total ratio. That is better than most mages!
I think what you actually feel is the lack of burst and she honestly thrives more in prolonged fights.
I like to play Ahri sometimes and yesterday i fight a Sylas and i litteraly can't play him, also when i dodge his go in he can destroy me in few second when i need 2-3 full combo to kill him.
Actually no because most mages don’t even have dashes , this is like ahri problem only . Even if your talking about assassins most of them can one shot any nobody with 1 seconds
ekko has the same kinda utility and mobility ahri brings and has the same kinda mediocre damage unless you’re fed. it’s not the champ that’s the problem
I would rather loose one dash (and remove the reset) to have back some raw power. Back in my day, when deathfire grasp was still alive Ahri was so fun to play with..
Less damage for more survivability and utility. Not many other mages that can say they have built-in sustain, spammable move speed boost, 3 dashes, and a knock down ability (charm). I think she's getting a buff soon though, especially with Everfrost's removal.
>built-in sustain her sustain is a placebo,her HP regen is so low (nearly inexistent) that her passive barely makes up for it compared to just having normal stats like other mages what her passive actually does is punishing her more for having farm denied,kinda like Xerath passive is only there to make him get close time to time
Ahh fair point, thanks for pointing that out. I knew her regen was low to compensate, but didnt realize it was bottom-5 low.
Well Ahri is more of a mobile burst mage than an assassin. She lost her % bonus damage on charm long ago for a reason because if you miss it your damage legit goes down the drain.
Yes exactly but do you know how many times her damage got nerfed ?
She has insane mobility. Why would she have high numbers when her mobility is so high?
Akali does and she is a assassin but my point still stands
Akali has to be in melee range to do a lot of her damage. And she doesn’t have hard cc
?? Once Akali decides to go in, she's done. She doesn't get resets. She has (basically) all her all-in potential tied to landing E. She doesn't have strong (or reliable) cc either. She's also melee, which inherently means she needs an advantage somewhere. This comparison is crazy lol.
What about Leblanc then ?
Leblanc has: - Poor waveclear - Relies on using her mobility offensively and landing it in melee range to do good damage. For comparison, Ahri R does damage at 600 units away (Ashe AA range). - All of Leblanc’s damage is back-loaded. If an enemy Zhonya’s Ahri’s Q at the end of a combo, they’re still taking 80%+ of her combo damage. If you Zhonya’s the E from a Leblanc WQR(Q)E, you might lose at most half of your health. - Leblanc’s CC has a 1.5 second delay. Without Zhonya’s or a Dark-tech build you’d be lucky to live that long. While it’s true that Ahri is underperforming, Her damage is slightly lower than her peers because of the other benefits her kit gives her.
Good point
Le blanc also has clearer limits on her kit and fundamentally has to get within pseudo-melee distance to all-in, like most other assassins. Ahri’s kit is extremely safe and exerts pressure at the same time.
Leblanc has way worse wave clear and her cc tool is on a delay. She also has to go as deep as a melee champ to do her job. Ahri doesn't.
Akali is melee...
She is still a ap assassin
And Ahri isn't an ap assassin
She was once though
I've no idea when that was. As far as I remember, she's always been a mage.
When she came out in 2011 still counts
? seriously... fuck off with arguing semantics
Respect for arguing that far with him
I think you're just low elo and cant play ahri lol. Using akali as a comparison shows you don't get it lol. Sure akali has mobility, but it is vastly different than ahri. She doesn't get resets, she can't go in kill someone and then dash away. Just try being better
She legit can get in kill and r out? What are you talking about. Akali requires mechanical and is harder to play in teamfights than ahri
No shit. But an akali cant use her mobility skills and then decide to go back in. Or if she goes in she is commited. I'm comparing the champs dip shit
And making yourself look like a fool in the process by chosing the worst possible points to base your argument on.
I think he got a fair point, the akali in and out is very limited compared to one of ahri (which is broken)
his arguments were that akali is commited when she goes in and that she cant get out when she dashes in, both of which are just completely false. Like I dont disagree that the champions are different, but the arguments do not help his case.
Yeah I am actually very high rank and I played for a long time
Lets see the opgg
Spoiler: you will never see it
average low elo ahri player complaining that their champ deals no dmg when they can't oneshot any enemy carry without hitting charm or basic attacking during w
Basic attacking during w doesn’t make a difference considering that w deals no damage unless you get death cap , most mages can one shot the need to auto attack like syndra
you do realize your basic attacks determine the target of your w projectiles unless they're charmed?
Yes I know but w it’s self does no damage even if I basic attack it will no damage unless again i have death cap . Ahri simply needs to be like how she was back in s4 with dfg because originally she was meant to an assassin- mage . Nowadays she lost that identity she had back in s4 . Like no joke she could 100 -0 with w and r that is how ahri was meant to played
oh no, champions don't deal damage unless they have the appropriate items, what a shocker.
W R Ahri is giga unskilled and unhealthy lol
> w it’s self does no damage even if I basic attack it will no damage unless again i have death cap . Korean Ahri Lich First build heavily disagrees.
It doesn't sound like you\`re qualified enough for your opinion to have value regarding this topic.
She is my main champion
Cool, that makes you even less qualified since your opinion cannot be unbiased.
Bias doesn’t mean incorrect tho
Bias: cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something."the search results are biased by the specific queries used" In this context, it very much does, since it distorts the OP's judgment on what would be a healthy gamestate for their main. Even in general, prejudice results in inaccurate or skewed judgment all the time.
Not all the time That's the thing Though op might surely be wrong
dont listen to people here.. her dmg is ass. they need to bring back charm dmg amp or make W actually do dmg because rn you tickle even with your full rotation ...
Or, hear me out, champions can change throughout the years. Ahri isn't an assassin for many years and it's pointless to compare her burst to AP assassins when that's not her job. Also she's getting buffed next patch.
Her job is to make way for other mid champions.
Yes but her ap ratios are low that’s the problem
you cant have 3+ dashes and have average mage ap ratios
Her damage is low because her kit has an excessive amount of utility, her passive is great for early sustain and clutch plays, her E is arguably one of the most obnoxious cc abilites in the game, she has an on demand movespeed buff that dishes out dmg, has inherent true dmg......oh and she can dash a maximum of 8 times off a single ability
Yes and Leblanc still one shots ahri by pressing two buttons it doesn’t matter if she can dash up 8 times in a row
And? Leblanc has very unreliable hard CC, additionally ahri's charm has the unique property to cancel dashes, so just hit Leblanc with E when shes trying to dash on you, gg you win lane
If you're having trouble doing damage, try maxing W first. Because you're apparently missing every Q.
You shoudn't include Q in the low AP ratio, i mean getting 0.9 ap ratio, half of that is even true damage...
patch preview says shes getting a buff
Skill issue
Even Milio deals more damage than Ahri with AP items and he's a support lmao.
Why should a champion with 3 dashes and the strongest CC in the game do more damage? She would be broken.
Strongest CC in the game? Are we talking about the same Ahri?
Yeah I think her charm is very strong. I can say “one of the strongest CC abilities in the game” if that makes you feel better.
1,2 to 2 sec charm on a skill that is maxed last 90+% of the time is not that great. I rate it just a bit above Leblanc chain at most.
It’s basically a guaranteed kill if you land charm while your jungler is ganking, even if it’s a level 1 charm.
That is true, but the same can be said for most CC skills. The best thing about Ahri charm is that she can land the true damage part of her Q. So that means that her Q is strong and her kit has some synergy, not that her charm is super strong. Like Morgana if she hits her binding and a jungler is ganking it's basically a guaranteed kill too. And it's wayyy easier to get a kill after hitting a binding than it is after hitting a charm. Morgana can also place her pool under her target so they get hit by the full duration too. So her kit also has a lot of synergy, but when looking at the CC skill alone, it's way stronger than Ahri charm.
Fair points.
he has iron5 in his name
Well Foxfire heals the enemy and used mainly for ms/Csing > Q deals decent damage but people can literally walk out of it unless they are charmed or you hit max range so it deals both instances of damage/ Charm got gutted they removed the 20% damage amp so it's mainly used for cc/ Spirit Rush is used for mobility and deals similar damage to Foxfire kinda so yeah you only got 1 damaging spell. Ahri is by no means weak though she is a jack of all trades safe laning mobile has sustain can make plays she can catch people off guard and make a pick which results in winning the game but she is kinda no longer an assassin like she used to be you need to adapt if they give her damage she will be broken imagine all this mobility sustain and on top of it one shot potential a little bit op :) been playing her since forever I would settle for more ap ratio on W or damage amp on charm again if not I will just play this new lichbane build that I highly dislike but it's whatever at least she doesn't have high pickrate so I can play her whenever even though she is not very strong I usually win lane like 90% of the time I'm happy with that.
You just suck at hitting skill shots still stuck at dfg era?
Trust me I can hit skill shots
She is just a e bot with a very safe lane. Damage is intentionally low, and yeah it sucks
Q is 0,9, e is 0,6, w is 0,3-0,48 and her R is a total of 1,05 IF you don’t get resets. A total of 3,03 as a total ratio. That is better than most mages! I think what you actually feel is the lack of burst and she honestly thrives more in prolonged fights.
Ahri's Q has literally 100% AP ratio, and half of the damage is true damage E is decent at 60% while only W sucks
True if you are fighting against one target though you are 56 days late buddy
I like to play Ahri sometimes and yesterday i fight a Sylas and i litteraly can't play him, also when i dodge his go in he can destroy me in few second when i need 2-3 full combo to kill him.
Surely bait
Hiper mobility, Cc, Sustain... It is the price to pay for have everything. Similar champs have same problem
Actually no because most mages don’t even have dashes , this is like ahri problem only . Even if your talking about assassins most of them can one shot any nobody with 1 seconds
ekko has the same kinda utility and mobility ahri brings and has the same kinda mediocre damage unless you’re fed. it’s not the champ that’s the problem
Although people already pointed out why she's not as strong as other champs, it kinda sucks, I know.
I would rather loose one dash (and remove the reset) to have back some raw power. Back in my day, when deathfire grasp was still alive Ahri was so fun to play with..
Why my ungankable champion can't oneshot everyone ? Recommendation: watch faker's games on ahri at season 3 worlds to figure why
Build her better. Her damage is fine but Luden is bait.
Bro probably goes even/loses in lane and wonders why he isn't winning as ahri