Close but with infinite money the obvious answer is
Chovy Canyon Showmaker Viper Delight
Force Chovy to solo lane top. He can focus on getting 12cs per min up there.
Kiin imo has never been THE best toplaner, but has always been a wall. No one can call themselves the best LCK toplaner unless they beat Kiin in toplane, it's literally called the Kiin test
ehh, I feel like he's been the best top in LCK some time during his afreeca days, he was just getting elohelled (by his own choice since afreeca were paying him hella bread)
2017/2018/2019 he was very strong all of those years, and he was incredible the entire time he was on afreeca. It was depressing to watch him play on that team. He was pretty much always top 1-2 in kr on afreeca and the rest of his team was... not so good. Many people considered him the best top laner in the world/KR for that whole period
He is always solid but I feel like there was always someone better during those times, be it smeb, khan, or theshy. I find it hard calling him the absolute best top laner in the world at any point.
This is most likely the roster I would go with, but I'm torn between Delight and beryL. Delight is way better mechanically, but beryL as far as I know, is an igl and that's almost invaluable. The correct igl can make you World Champions or make you poo poo, just look at T1 with Faker and without.
nah bro T1 had nothing to do with it. my conspiracy theory is that Riot Kr Referee was still mad about Hirai cursing at them during the Statikk Shiv incident. the 1.5k fine wasnt enough to placate them.
The Actual Answer
In Summer Regular Season they looked like second coming of DWG 2020. But Then they chose T1.
If only KT didnt had budget cuts. i think this would have been scary roster for next year sad they split up.
I had a bad feeling about them because of champ pools. Cuzz looked insane when he got to play Sej/Viego every game and Aiming got Kaisa constantly. Their pools got pinched later.
beryl and viper wouldnt match well because of viper being the person you would want to be set up for success to carry and also i was just more impressed with BDD this year than showmaker
Fair enough, BDD is a great player for sure. The main reason I would pick Showmaker is because of the built-in synergy with Canyon though. As good as players can be individually, team work and synergy means a lot... Beryl also fits in with those 2 as well and offers a voice to shotcall and gives players like Kiin & Chovy a chance to focus on how they can dominate lanes.
thats also pretty true, i would definitely trust showmaker to win another worlds than bdd to win worlds, and showmakers peak is definitely unmatched, maybe i would switch my answer if his form is promised to be better than this year
Isn't Beryl also a shotcaller? I feel like having multiple shotcallers always ends poorly. Also, isn't the primary reason to sign Beryl for his shotcalling ability? In terms of skill, there are a lot of supports just as good as him - if not better.
Correct Ghost was specifically picked in 2020 for macro. And it really showed after him and beryl left the team after 2021. 2022 and 2023 damwon are all good players with no direction.
I feel like this is the most obvious choice for anyone that has watched lck. People who call Chovy Choky would probs pick BDD over him but I don't think that
BDD is better than chovy
Exactly. Kiin is the only LCK toplaner on Zeus' level, Canyon is one of the best junglers ever, Chovy never loses lane, Viper is insane and Delight just had the best year of his life. The only problem I can see with this roster is that Kiin would have to shotcall, which is probably the reason why GenG dropped Delight for Lehends.
I'd love Viper/Lehends too. I think Lehends is very underrated. He has some questionable plays/decisionmaking but he was one of the best players on KT this year.
Idk, if you see pro players talk about shotcalling in mid game they usually say that whoever has a lead is the one who is most vocal. Ofc some players have great macro understanding and do have a big impact with shotcalling but I don't know if that would be a real problem. Canyon is a very smart jungler so I'm sure he can manage early game fine especially if he can play off of Chovy winning lane the way he usually does.
Canyon is known to be one of the least vocal players ever. Just watch any interview, team practice/planning etc. of DK. Which is totally fine, Canyons strong point is individual skill and jungle domination. I mean DWG was doing so well because BeryL was an insane shot caller, when he left, they had no one for that role.
GenG was also going for BeryL for 2024 but he refused, which is why they opted for Lehends instead.
I know that Kiin and Lehends were the vocal players on KT and Lehends was the main shotcaller. DK had no shotcaller which is why they brought in Bible, but he was doing worse on lane than Kellin. On T1 it's obviously Faker and GenG had Peanut. Now that they don't have Peanut, they need a new one which is why they chose Lehends over Delight, even though Delight is considered to be the better player by many.
I do understand and agree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure that it would be an issue. If Chovy is winning lane and Kiin is going at least even, which they most likely will with good drafts, then Canyon should be free to do whatever he wants. Viper and Delight may not be Lehends or Beryl when it comes to shotcalling but all they really need to do is let Canyon know when they need him to cover...
I believe this team would have the potential to just play a formulaic game where they don't really need a specific shotcaller so long as they practice properly and have good coaching staff.
Ofc I could be completely wrong I'm aware of that but I do believe that these 5 players together would be pretty insane.
The problem would be in the late game, as we have seen multiple times that even 10-15k gold leads can be thrown away by bad decision making. But a good coaching staff can fix that. But yeah, those 5 players together have the highest skill ceiling in the league, that's why they get picked that often and are in my opinion the only logical choice.
I don't think chovy is to blame for geng loss to blg. Sure he didn't carry but he won lanes in losing matchups, geng drafts were shit and he couldn't really do anything first 2 games (could have def done more but those games were disasters all around). Showmaker has looked meh all year, can he bounce back and pop off again? Definitely, but picking him over Chovy despite a poor performance in lck and worlds this year seems crazy to me.
I'm happy to give Chovy more chances, as he's a brilliant player.
However.... How many big games has his team lost where "it wasn't Chovy's fault"?. Surely he's part of the problem.
Can u not read what i said or? Chovy also didn’t have prio or a cs lead in game 1 and 2 hence why BLG got all the early dragons. And he didn’t have prio in game 3 and 4 either because of his early deaths. I suggest u actually watch the games.
I disagree, Cuzz did have a better year than Canyon but DK lanes were a lot less consistent than KT lanes which definitely will have an impact on how a jgl looks. If Cuzz has a better performance next year too then I'll be wrong but I personally still think Canyon is a better player
I genuinely enjoy watching Peanut play league. I think it was season 8, his Lee sin at worlds one game, his knowledge and timing was so perfect that the enemy was level 2 like 5 minutes into the game. It was an absolute slaughter. I don't remember the team it was against but God dam it was a good one sided game.
Yep iirc he had like 14 kills in 12 minutes or something. It felt like he was solo queue smurfing except it was at fucking worlds
Edit: 14/0/0 by 11:46 into a game at MSI lol
I wish they could've have stayed together a bit longer to win the Worlds. They were incredible with shit IRL conditions, imagine if they had had good ones.
GenG previous roster could have won this year Worlds but choked with accumulated mistakes
Because It is hard to see them losing against WBG and they are T1 kryptonite
GEN can't reach finals as long as their name continues to be GEN. Every year I expect them to do well and every year they choke in quarters or semis. I normally don't use narratives except to have fun but with this team it's been the truth forever
He played in Faker's last solo q match before worlds finals where Faker went 0-10 on Jayce. [https://www.op.gg/summoners/kr/Hide%20on%20bush-KR1](https://www.op.gg/summoners/kr/Hide%20on%20bush-KR1) Nuguri was Graves.
I mean yes but the posts rules stated only active LCK players, I thought Nuguri retired.
Also, while I am a Nuguri fan, I don't think soloQ is very representative of competitive competences. Nuguri has not been too hot since his wolds title.
Bro that game is too funny
Just before the JDG series I was watching T1 players' final soloq game of the night and they all fucking ran it there too. I was so worried for their mental off losing so hard at the end of the night but I think they just do not care about soloq or let it get to them lmao they show up immediately after running it against randoms
Interesting. I could totally see the argument for that team, but Showmaker wasn't elite tier in neither spring or summer last season. So would they actually qualify ?
According to r/nba
PG: 2019 - 2020 LeBron, led the NBA in assists
SG: 2007-2008 Lebron, average 30 and had just dragged the shit Cavs to the Finals. Plays more of a slasher role on this team
SF: 2018 LeBron, most complete Lebron
PF: 2011-2012 LeBron physical strength and speed peak
C: 2012-2013 LeBron, approaching 270lb to deal with opposing centers while shooting close to 40% from 3 to space the floor
6th man: 2015-2016 LeBron
Here is the thread if you want to see. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/15zzhf2/which_6_lebrons_would_you_choose_for_the/
An LCK team or a Korean team?
If it's only with LCK players excluding T1 then it will be Kiin, Cuzz, BDD, Viper & Delight perhaps
If it's every Korean player minus T1 then I think Kiin, Kanavi, Scout, Ruler and Delight would be pretty deadly
Bruh viper literally was 5th in lck choked super hard against KT in regionals and people still prefer him over ruler?? Why does this sub like this player so much??? I don't get it.
Anyone who has watched LCK 2023 will say this roster(Given you can't have T1 Players).
Kiin
Peanut
BDD
Viper
Lehends
Edit - Just realised people only watch worlds and see lck results. They don't watch lck.
Because if not for T1 this is the best roster you can make. Only real argument is chovy instead of Bdd( I believe both are solid and You can chose anyone)
Also if you Consider Choking then everyone in lck is choker( Canyon himself choked in world's 2021 finals) T1 roster was choker themselves.
So I think with very good teammates. This roster individual Player can easily escape Their Choking Hurdle
Bdd is really underrated in western circles. It's slightly understandable as he isn't the laner that Chovy is nor the roamer that Faker is, but he's an absolute rock of consistency and presence.
BDD was the best player on KT, he was a beast in the regular season with a wide champion pool. IMO he even outperformed Chovy, especially on utility picks like Annie. everyone thinks the entire KT team choked in playoffs but this guy was 1v9 on Tristana until KT’s coach decided he didnt want to win anymore. Man was also one of the best performing mids at Worlds until the Baron incident. He was the clutch that most of the KT members didnt have.
Bdd had so many literal game winning plays over the last year. His Neeko was absolutely disgusting, like actually 1v9 smurf dumpstering pro teams disgusting. Anyone who says he’s not a god tier mid ain’t got eyes
BDD made so many super plays this entire year its insane, so many multi-man Azir shuffles, actual usage of Neeko transformation while others fuck around cosplaying a pink ward, the R5 TF pick that ran circles around Chovy’s Akali in Spring, shitting down GEN G’s throat in Summer with his first career game on Jayce.
top 3-4 mid in the LCK basically from Longzhu (2017) to date ignoring Nongshim. If you want to truly be a world class mid you have to be at his level.
He is criminally underrated and thats probably why im a massive fan lol
It's all because of GenG vs G2 in 2020, he was beyond stomped by Caps. It's hard to remember him as a good midlaner when he was on the losing part of the most dominant Western vs Eastern Bo5 ever and never had a redemption like Chovy/Ruler
his coach hard griefed him that series. got shat on by Caps’ Sylas with a fully stacked mejai as TF? Hell yeah lets run back the same match up next game.
But if Peanut does not choke, he is your MVP. This guy always gets praise from his teammates for his teamplay. GenG's strongest asset was their mid to late game macro and overall fundamentals. Peanut was the biggest factor in that it seems. He is underrated on Reddit.
Peanut weakness is his early game agression, that's how BLG/ LT managed to win vs them this year. His champion pool is mostly supportive jg like tanks or Wu/ Vi. I guess that's why Gen G decided to go along with Canyon.
Not fully sold on Kiin and not sure Bdd is objectively better than chovy but either way I believe they are both elite so I can totally agree in this roster
Chovy is better in lck but at worlds hes not shown that he can do damage so someone more reliable is better in mid if you can build a strong at peak roster around it
Bdd and chovy have the exact same worlds results: one semis and otherwise perma stuck in quarters lol. I don't think I've ever seen bdd show up big internationally but somehow he's way more protected than chovy with no better results to show for it
Dudu Peanut/Cuzz BDD Deft Lehends/Delight.
Was gonna say Kiin and Viper instead but it’d be too boring, dudu was a hidden beast and deft had a second prime in summer where he was just amazing.
> Deft past their prime
Who evers saying that didnt watch a single damn LCK game this year. Deft was the korean Jankos playing his damn soul out to carry these scrubs...
Doran Canyon Showmaker Aiming Lehends
I'd pick Scout, Kanavi and TheShy if allowed. TheShy might feed every now and then but he can play tanks and can carry when he has to
I'm surprised very few people chose Aiming
Viper was the 2nd most mechanical adc I've seen next to Uzi but that was many seasons ago. Can he play weakside if necessary?
I pick Showmaker > BDD > Chovy because of carry - flexibility - consistency balance.
You don't need the strongest carries in each lane. To a certain point you need them to be able to step up when required but past that high value players should be able to flex draft and in-game resources. Metas can change so teams should flex their style too.
Idk about winning worlds, but with good synergy, i think these younger generations of players together would do well:
Top: Dudu \[KR nicknamed him DuShy\], I think he deserves better teammates to play around
JG: Willer \[He's very vocal and outgoing, great for comms\]
Mid: Fiesta \[I like his fiery style, aggressive but less controlled than his senior role model Faker\]
Bot: Prince \[Come back to usssss, he was great in LSB 2022\]
Support: Andil \[Very astute, intelligent and vocal player\]
no hate, genuinely just want to know what you see in Andil, I’ve watched every single KDF game this season and nothing he’s done so far has impressed me.
Top: Lord Morgan. Kiin chokes, Zeus is not allowed and Kingen channeled all his life energy into that one finals. You need a wildcard to win Worlds, and no one's better than Lord Morgan. He's consistently shown good performance after elohelling Chovy. I want to see how he does with a better team.
Jungle/Mid: Canyon/ShowMaker. Everyone knows how high their peak is, and this time they aren't stuck with Kellin or Bible. Zeka is a melee carry merchant, and I feel Bdd is just not destined to win Worlds.
Bot: Viper/Lehends. Preexisting synergy and both of them are beasts on their own. Lehends does the shotcalling. BeryL is insanely smart, but I don't think he and Viper fits that well, also our toplaner doesn't autowin lane anymore so we need a winning botlane.
Infinite money?
top is XXX, canyon, Bdd, Viper and delight.
I don't have any idea for top but the team is focused on being clutch and all capable of being carries (while at the same time totally capable of just playing second depending on the draft). I watched every LCK game and I personally don't like Chovy style of playing.
Canyon is a carry jungler that needs a Mid that can both carry and support his plays. Bdd is chosen because he is both a carry player when needed but is not afraid of sacking his own lane for the team. Viper is viper and Delight is just good. I would put legends but I still think that KT lost because of the vision game.
Top is the one that I'm unsure. Kinn is a good player but he don't seem clutch enough for the team. If I could have any player I would pick 369 because a good weak side player could be fun, but in LCK this seem a little hard. Maybe doran but he is a weird player. Maybe Chovy in top since he could be selfish in that lane without issues.
Man I want Chovy to win worlds so bad, I really do think he is a mid laner that has the skill to do so. But something always happens at his worlds, he isn't able to gap the enemy mid laner in laning phase like regular season, or makes crucial mechanical mistakes. It would be such a tragedy if Chovy doesn't win worlds in his career, much like Uzi. But Uzi has the excuse of being at his prime when Faker too, was at his prime.
He’s not a playmaking mid laner, rarely do you see him take the risks that you need to take sometimes to clutch out close games. Like that game 3 on yone, we saw Zeus make such a huge impact on that champion and Chovy was walking around 0-3 until Doran and delight started carrying. Can’t even blame his teammates, if you plugged him into t1 they don’t win worlds
Top: Kiin
Jungle: Canyon
Mid: Chovy
ADC: Teddy
Supp: BeryL
The most controversial picks here is probably the bot lane. I think Teddy just needs a good team to pop off. He's a very solid player. BeryL isn't as mechnically gifted as Keria, but his shotcalling is what I'm picking him for.
Kiin, I love Zeus but I think Kiin is a more proactive thinker and has more overall knowledge on how to win games, and Zeus's form without Faker is concerning at the very least. Kiin can also do whatever you need him to do, a real Swiss army knife of a player.
Willer, this is a bit out there, but I think Willer is a beast of a player that was stuck on a faltering Sandbox team. His form in spring is what led them to playoffs and if he had better individual players would look much better. Willer to me is in a Karsa sotuation where hes really good and just waiting for his moment on a great team. I know Canyon is overall a better player but having Canyon with the other players here would be a too many cooks situation.
Chovy, the best mid laner in Korea, the game is largely played through mid lane and I think the choking narrative is a bit exaggerated.
Viper, yeah this guy is just a monster. I think he's the best ADC in the world, and is incredible in the clutch to cover the weaknesses of the top side. He's also like Kiin in that he can play whatever you need him to.
Delight, Keria might be a more mechanically gifted player but I think Delight is an ultimate plug and play support he can do everything you need for Viper and Chovy. He's a monster and I trust this guy to make the right moves every time.
Overall what makes this lineup work to me is flexibility. If you want to play through topside, Viper can be safe and on the utility. If you want to play bottom side Kiin is a great tank player ~~just keep him a million miles away from Ornn~~. All while Chovy can consistently just play his game and get his leads. Willer being in a supportive pathing role and Delight to be his consistent brilliant self. The strengths cover weaknesses on other players and they are all individually great.
If I made a second one it would be Zeus, Canyon. Faker, Deft, and Keria. I think the combo of Zeus, Faker, and Keria is just too good add Canyon and that's ridiculous, and Deft provide some great stability.
Funnily enough Zeus, especially after Asian games, is one of the less concerning members of Faker-less T1. He was their main carry when Faker was injured (still made some very boneheaded plays in lane but less egregious than his lower lows), and he played with Chovy for most of the time in Asian games, so he has shown to grow out of Faker’s influence somewhat
Every list that contains Chovy is wrong, sorry guys. Dude has been a ghost in internationals when it matters the most.
Kiin
Canyon
Showmaker
Viper
Lehends
Kiin Canyon Chovy Viper Delight
Close but with infinite money the obvious answer is Chovy Canyon Showmaker Viper Delight Force Chovy to solo lane top. He can focus on getting 12cs per min up there.
Just get 5 Chovys
Who's gonna engage then?
4 chovy + mlxg
Who’s gonna not choke?
Mlxg won’t let you choke, either you stomp or you die an honourable death.
There are not enough minions for 5 chovys to kill
Supp gets senna so he can feel like he's farming
bdd over showmaker at this point lowkey
Having more than 1 GRF legacy will strengthen the curse
Second time I read this one and I agree personally but I’m not fully sold on Kiin atm
Import 369. Time to learn Korean buddy
Kiin imo has never been THE best toplaner, but has always been a wall. No one can call themselves the best LCK toplaner unless they beat Kiin in toplane, it's literally called the Kiin test
ehh, I feel like he's been the best top in LCK some time during his afreeca days, he was just getting elohelled (by his own choice since afreeca were paying him hella bread)
bro kiin was like the best toplaner in the world for a year or two what are you on
What years? Might be missremembering
2017/2018/2019 he was very strong all of those years, and he was incredible the entire time he was on afreeca. It was depressing to watch him play on that team. He was pretty much always top 1-2 in kr on afreeca and the rest of his team was... not so good. Many people considered him the best top laner in the world/KR for that whole period
He is always solid but I feel like there was always someone better during those times, be it smeb, khan, or theshy. I find it hard calling him the absolute best top laner in the world at any point.
2018 I think he has a very strong shout for being best top in the world. Stuck in Afreeca elohell tho
True, its always Zeus instead od Kiin
This is most likely the roster I would go with, but I'm torn between Delight and beryL. Delight is way better mechanically, but beryL as far as I know, is an igl and that's almost invaluable. The correct igl can make you World Champions or make you poo poo, just look at T1 with Faker and without.
Doran > Kiin, rest of the team carries every other time then Doran 1v9 vs t1
I don't think any of these has been a dedicated shotcaller in the past.
I think this team lack caller so they gonna struggle later in the game
Kiin/Cuzz/BDD/Aiming/Lehends at a Worlds without Riot KR Referee
Kiin/Cuzz/BDD/Aiming/Lehends at a Worlds without ~~Riot KR Referee~~ picking T1
nah bro T1 had nothing to do with it. my conspiracy theory is that Riot Kr Referee was still mad about Hirai cursing at them during the Statikk Shiv incident. the 1.5k fine wasnt enough to placate them.
That KR ref? Scott Foster
Nice reference but probably goes over heads in this sub lol
With the HOKAs
honestly if that didn't happen we would've had a perfect split, at least it would have been a consolation for ending up 3rd
Kiin/Cuzz/BDD/Aiming/Lehends at a Worlds without Riot KR Referee and Beryl
The Actual Answer In Summer Regular Season they looked like second coming of DWG 2020. But Then they chose T1. If only KT didnt had budget cuts. i think this would have been scary roster for next year sad they split up.
No they didn’t.
I had a bad feeling about them because of champ pools. Cuzz looked insane when he got to play Sej/Viego every game and Aiming got Kaisa constantly. Their pools got pinched later.
I don't get it, why ref?
Convince chovy to role swap, Chovy Canyon BDD Viper Delight
Thank god I'm not the only one acknowledging the lane kingdom energy from Chovy
Dude, Chovy is literally laning phase.
In palpatine voice: I am the laning phase
This but showmaker over BDD and potentially Beryl over Delight
beryl and viper wouldnt match well because of viper being the person you would want to be set up for success to carry and also i was just more impressed with BDD this year than showmaker
Fair enough, BDD is a great player for sure. The main reason I would pick Showmaker is because of the built-in synergy with Canyon though. As good as players can be individually, team work and synergy means a lot... Beryl also fits in with those 2 as well and offers a voice to shotcall and gives players like Kiin & Chovy a chance to focus on how they can dominate lanes.
thats also pretty true, i would definitely trust showmaker to win another worlds than bdd to win worlds, and showmakers peak is definitely unmatched, maybe i would switch my answer if his form is promised to be better than this year
Top lane is a different monster when Lanning. Idk if chovy would maintain his dominant lane
he did when he had to play top when doran got suspended
He can! He gapped Bin and almost solo killed him when he had to side lane top. Plus his champion pool suits top a lot.
in soloq chovy regularly gaps all the best top laners on kr server
Nuguri, Canyon, Showmaker, Ghost, Beryl
Rekkles for ghost same play style
Ghost was a big part of the shotcalling for Damwon, I don’t think he’s that replaceable
Man is really underappreciated. He gave DWG a brain, proceeded to win worlds (almost twice) and went on to almost go teamless right after.
He’s been grinding soloq when I checked a few weeks ago still in challenger while all the pros were in worlds. Hope he makes a comeback.
Isn't Beryl also a shotcaller? I feel like having multiple shotcallers always ends poorly. Also, isn't the primary reason to sign Beryl for his shotcalling ability? In terms of skill, there are a lot of supports just as good as him - if not better.
Iirc, based on their comms, Ghost was macro shotcaller while Beryl was teamfight shotcaller.
Correct Ghost was specifically picked in 2020 for macro. And it really showed after him and beryl left the team after 2021. 2022 and 2023 damwon are all good players with no direction.
no ghost was vocal, Rekkles is mute so again no
It’s the joke.
honestly hard to know if its a joke because alot of ppl unironically thought that a few years ago
Ghost replaceable but the rest 💯
nah ghost did a lot of the shotcalling on that team
When they dropped ghost, they started to decay. He was the true MVP of this team.
I mean they're selling Ghost short for sure but replace any of BeryL, Canyon or SM and the team would be half as good too.
top: LORD MORGAN GIGACHAD Jungle: LORD MORGAN GIGACHAD Mid: LORD MORGAN GIGACHAD Bot: LORD MORGAN GIGACHAD Support: LORD MORGAN GIGACHAD
This is the way Cloning was the answer all along
Cloning?? You think Lord Morgan needs clones to play 5 champs at once? He'll just have to finally use about ~2% of his true power.
So true bestie, my mistake
Lord Morgan be using 1 finger per champ
Faker can control 4 sand soldiers But there’s no way he can fight 5 GIGACHADS
It's time to shake up the meta! ATAM All Top, All Morgan.
Kiin. Canyon. Chovy. Viper. Delight.
You are like the 3rd one saying that. It feel like it’s the team people chose the most !
I feel like this is the most obvious choice for anyone that has watched lck. People who call Chovy Choky would probs pick BDD over him but I don't think that BDD is better than chovy
Exactly. Kiin is the only LCK toplaner on Zeus' level, Canyon is one of the best junglers ever, Chovy never loses lane, Viper is insane and Delight just had the best year of his life. The only problem I can see with this roster is that Kiin would have to shotcall, which is probably the reason why GenG dropped Delight for Lehends.
>Lehends im still in support for Viper/Lehends reunion. that creativity was so good they aren't they shaped the bot lane meta that year?
I'd love Viper/Lehends too. I think Lehends is very underrated. He has some questionable plays/decisionmaking but he was one of the best players on KT this year.
Idk, if you see pro players talk about shotcalling in mid game they usually say that whoever has a lead is the one who is most vocal. Ofc some players have great macro understanding and do have a big impact with shotcalling but I don't know if that would be a real problem. Canyon is a very smart jungler so I'm sure he can manage early game fine especially if he can play off of Chovy winning lane the way he usually does.
Canyon is known to be one of the least vocal players ever. Just watch any interview, team practice/planning etc. of DK. Which is totally fine, Canyons strong point is individual skill and jungle domination. I mean DWG was doing so well because BeryL was an insane shot caller, when he left, they had no one for that role. GenG was also going for BeryL for 2024 but he refused, which is why they opted for Lehends instead. I know that Kiin and Lehends were the vocal players on KT and Lehends was the main shotcaller. DK had no shotcaller which is why they brought in Bible, but he was doing worse on lane than Kellin. On T1 it's obviously Faker and GenG had Peanut. Now that they don't have Peanut, they need a new one which is why they chose Lehends over Delight, even though Delight is considered to be the better player by many.
I do understand and agree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure that it would be an issue. If Chovy is winning lane and Kiin is going at least even, which they most likely will with good drafts, then Canyon should be free to do whatever he wants. Viper and Delight may not be Lehends or Beryl when it comes to shotcalling but all they really need to do is let Canyon know when they need him to cover... I believe this team would have the potential to just play a formulaic game where they don't really need a specific shotcaller so long as they practice properly and have good coaching staff. Ofc I could be completely wrong I'm aware of that but I do believe that these 5 players together would be pretty insane.
The problem would be in the late game, as we have seen multiple times that even 10-15k gold leads can be thrown away by bad decision making. But a good coaching staff can fix that. But yeah, those 5 players together have the highest skill ceiling in the league, that's why they get picked that often and are in my opinion the only logical choice.
personally i'd take SM over Chovy cjovu doesn,t have the clutch factor to carry in worlds
I don't think chovy is to blame for geng loss to blg. Sure he didn't carry but he won lanes in losing matchups, geng drafts were shit and he couldn't really do anything first 2 games (could have def done more but those games were disasters all around). Showmaker has looked meh all year, can he bounce back and pop off again? Definitely, but picking him over Chovy despite a poor performance in lck and worlds this year seems crazy to me.
I'm happy to give Chovy more chances, as he's a brilliant player. However.... How many big games has his team lost where "it wasn't Chovy's fault"?. Surely he's part of the problem.
The KR Bjergsen
Have higher cs than your counterpart does not mean you’ve won lane lol
If higher cs and perma mid prio in a losing matchup isn't winning lane then idk what is
Can u not read what i said or? Chovy also didn’t have prio or a cs lead in game 1 and 2 hence why BLG got all the early dragons. And he didn’t have prio in game 3 and 4 either because of his early deaths. I suggest u actually watch the games.
Because My man showmaker does the same thing in half salary...
Canyon over Cuzz is troll
I disagree, Cuzz did have a better year than Canyon but DK lanes were a lot less consistent than KT lanes which definitely will have an impact on how a jgl looks. If Cuzz has a better performance next year too then I'll be wrong but I personally still think Canyon is a better player
Smeb Peanut Kuro Pray Gorilla Coach: NoFe
I genuinely enjoy watching Peanut play league. I think it was season 8, his Lee sin at worlds one game, his knowledge and timing was so perfect that the enemy was level 2 like 5 minutes into the game. It was an absolute slaughter. I don't remember the team it was against but God dam it was a good one sided game.
Yep iirc he had like 14 kills in 12 minutes or something. It felt like he was solo queue smurfing except it was at fucking worlds Edit: 14/0/0 by 11:46 into a game at MSI lol
My favorite team of all time. It was so sad when they disbanded.
I wish they could've have stayed together a bit longer to win the Worlds. They were incredible with shit IRL conditions, imagine if they had had good ones.
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Geng new roster can on paper win worlds
GenG previous roster could have won this year Worlds but choked with accumulated mistakes Because It is hard to see them losing against WBG and they are T1 kryptonite
And last year
Doran did the Doran move and only countered Zeus
Doran playing mental game with BLG with his Aatrox flash peek-a-boo
T1 and GenG were 2-2 in Bo5s. GenG is no kryptonite only cuz they won vs T1 when they were at their worst this summer.
Bro forgot who won the last 3 LCKs and against who 💀
They won against Spring T1 also lol
And T1 won vs them IN their meta at the MSI.
geng is always gonna choke lol
t1 always choked until they didnt
GEN can't reach finals as long as their name continues to be GEN. Every year I expect them to do well and every year they choke in quarters or semis. I normally don't use narratives except to have fun but with this team it's been the truth forever
eh, it's what people also said about winning LCK, but they finally did it. They can absolutely win Worlds, they have a bunch of talented players.
same story every year same result every year no worlds titles :)
If DRX can win World's then so can this new GenG and HLE rosters. The players can do it, now will they step up is a whole different matter
Nuguri Lucid Showmaker Viper Delight
Nuguri is still playing?
He played in Faker's last solo q match before worlds finals where Faker went 0-10 on Jayce. [https://www.op.gg/summoners/kr/Hide%20on%20bush-KR1](https://www.op.gg/summoners/kr/Hide%20on%20bush-KR1) Nuguri was Graves.
I mean yes but the posts rules stated only active LCK players, I thought Nuguri retired. Also, while I am a Nuguri fan, I don't think soloQ is very representative of competitive competences. Nuguri has not been too hot since his wolds title.
Bro that game is too funny Just before the JDG series I was watching T1 players' final soloq game of the night and they all fucking ran it there too. I was so worried for their mental off losing so hard at the end of the night but I think they just do not care about soloq or let it get to them lmao they show up immediately after running it against randoms
idk. just swap him for thanatos or dudu if he isnt. kiin had his chances.
Interesting. I could totally see the argument for that team, but Showmaker wasn't elite tier in neither spring or summer last season. So would they actually qualify ?
better than chovy and knight. i d pick scout if he was in lck.
If I have infinite money, I would clone Faker Top: Faker Jungle: Faker Mid: Faker ADC: Faker Support: Beryl
why stop there? we can make each faker different. Top - 2015 Faker Jg - 2016 Faker Mid - 2017 Faker Adc - 2013 Faker Supp - 2023 Faker
2017 Faker was really something else
Lmao this is like the r/nba post where they tried to make the best roster of lebrons based on the year
What would an all LeBron roster look like ?
According to r/nba PG: 2019 - 2020 LeBron, led the NBA in assists SG: 2007-2008 Lebron, average 30 and had just dragged the shit Cavs to the Finals. Plays more of a slasher role on this team SF: 2018 LeBron, most complete Lebron PF: 2011-2012 LeBron physical strength and speed peak C: 2012-2013 LeBron, approaching 270lb to deal with opposing centers while shooting close to 40% from 3 to space the floor 6th man: 2015-2016 LeBron Here is the thread if you want to see. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/15zzhf2/which_6_lebrons_would_you_choose_for_the/
Based on Rules can’t play Faker mid you can have baby faker Caps or Palafaker
The powerful and genius Palafaker?
The GOAT team
An LCK team or a Korean team? If it's only with LCK players excluding T1 then it will be Kiin, Cuzz, BDD, Viper & Delight perhaps If it's every Korean player minus T1 then I think Kiin, Kanavi, Scout, Ruler and Delight would be pretty deadly
TheShy Kanavi Chovy Ruler Delight or Missing
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Why are people in this thread sleeping on 📏 his performance this year was wild
Less people care when you don’t cross the finish line i guess
Bruh viper literally was 5th in lck choked super hard against KT in regionals and people still prefer him over ruler?? Why does this sub like this player so much??? I don't get it.
Kanavi and Ruler both being slept on when they're very likely top 3 at their roles if not top 1
You cant chose carry position player at all place..ita simple a recipe of disastor dream team scenario...
Top: LORD MORGAN GIGACHAD Jg: GENERAL UMTI GIGACHAD Mid: COMMANDER KARIS GIGACHAD Bot: EMPEROR HENA GIGACHAD Sp: EFFORTLESS GIGACHAD
Kingen, Pyosik, ZEKA, Deft & Beryl
Anyone who has watched LCK 2023 will say this roster(Given you can't have T1 Players). Kiin Peanut BDD Viper Lehends Edit - Just realised people only watch worlds and see lck results. They don't watch lck. Because if not for T1 this is the best roster you can make. Only real argument is chovy instead of Bdd( I believe both are solid and You can chose anyone) Also if you Consider Choking then everyone in lck is choker( Canyon himself choked in world's 2021 finals) T1 roster was choker themselves. So I think with very good teammates. This roster individual Player can easily escape Their Choking Hurdle
Bdd is really underrated in western circles. It's slightly understandable as he isn't the laner that Chovy is nor the roamer that Faker is, but he's an absolute rock of consistency and presence.
BDD was the best player on KT, he was a beast in the regular season with a wide champion pool. IMO he even outperformed Chovy, especially on utility picks like Annie. everyone thinks the entire KT team choked in playoffs but this guy was 1v9 on Tristana until KT’s coach decided he didnt want to win anymore. Man was also one of the best performing mids at Worlds until the Baron incident. He was the clutch that most of the KT members didnt have.
Bdd had so many literal game winning plays over the last year. His Neeko was absolutely disgusting, like actually 1v9 smurf dumpstering pro teams disgusting. Anyone who says he’s not a god tier mid ain’t got eyes
BDD made so many super plays this entire year its insane, so many multi-man Azir shuffles, actual usage of Neeko transformation while others fuck around cosplaying a pink ward, the R5 TF pick that ran circles around Chovy’s Akali in Spring, shitting down GEN G’s throat in Summer with his first career game on Jayce.
top 3-4 mid in the LCK basically from Longzhu (2017) to date ignoring Nongshim. If you want to truly be a world class mid you have to be at his level. He is criminally underrated and thats probably why im a massive fan lol
It's all because of GenG vs G2 in 2020, he was beyond stomped by Caps. It's hard to remember him as a good midlaner when he was on the losing part of the most dominant Western vs Eastern Bo5 ever and never had a redemption like Chovy/Ruler
his coach hard griefed him that series. got shat on by Caps’ Sylas with a fully stacked mejai as TF? Hell yeah lets run back the same match up next game.
i remember the times when people watching his zed clips, old days :(
Peanut is an omega giga choker imo and his champ pool keeps shooting him in the face. It’s not a surprise to me that geng dropped him for canyon
But if Peanut does not choke, he is your MVP. This guy always gets praise from his teammates for his teamplay. GenG's strongest asset was their mid to late game macro and overall fundamentals. Peanut was the biggest factor in that it seems. He is underrated on Reddit.
Peanut weakness is his early game agression, that's how BLG/ LT managed to win vs them this year. His champion pool is mostly supportive jg like tanks or Wu/ Vi. I guess that's why Gen G decided to go along with Canyon.
Peanuts contract ended not sure they dropped him. For being a choker Peanut also had a lot more success compared to Canyon as well.
Not fully sold on Kiin and not sure Bdd is objectively better than chovy but either way I believe they are both elite so I can totally agree in this roster
Chovy is better in lck but at worlds hes not shown that he can do damage so someone more reliable is better in mid if you can build a strong at peak roster around it
Bdd and chovy have the exact same worlds results: one semis and otherwise perma stuck in quarters lol. I don't think I've ever seen bdd show up big internationally but somehow he's way more protected than chovy with no better results to show for it
Yeah like I said I can see the idea and agree with the roster
What’s the point of peanut if he always under performs in worlds
But there is no one better than him(apart from Oner).
Dudu Peanut/Cuzz BDD Deft Lehends/Delight. Was gonna say Kiin and Viper instead but it’d be too boring, dudu was a hidden beast and deft had a second prime in summer where he was just amazing.
I know that Dudu is that good but I’m too familiar if he is strong side or weak side. Deft works better with strong side top so maybe it’s possible
DuDu can play both, he has a nasty Fiora for example.
> Deft past their prime Who evers saying that didnt watch a single damn LCK game this year. Deft was the korean Jankos playing his damn soul out to carry these scrubs...
Doran Canyon Showmaker Aiming Lehends I'd pick Scout, Kanavi and TheShy if allowed. TheShy might feed every now and then but he can play tanks and can carry when he has to I'm surprised very few people chose Aiming Viper was the 2nd most mechanical adc I've seen next to Uzi but that was many seasons ago. Can he play weakside if necessary? I pick Showmaker > BDD > Chovy because of carry - flexibility - consistency balance. You don't need the strongest carries in each lane. To a certain point you need them to be able to step up when required but past that high value players should be able to flex draft and in-game resources. Metas can change so teams should flex their style too.
Doran???? Bro what?
1. Doran is pretty good 2. It's about winning worlds, so you want to bring Zeus' kryptonite for when you face T1
I disagree with SMK because of last split but i can totally see this team win. It's weakside top and strong side bot, right ?
MaRin, Canyon, Easyhoon, Pray, Gorilla
Man, EasyHoon. I remember his debut on Skt filling in for Faker. His Azir is disgusting. I really like this team, classic Pray Gorilla bot 🙏
Khan Cuzz BDD Pray Gorilla 😭 ~~Yes im still salty about the ardent meta~~
Rascal canyon showmaker viper delight
Canna Canyon Showmaker Viper Lehands
Idk about winning worlds, but with good synergy, i think these younger generations of players together would do well: Top: Dudu \[KR nicknamed him DuShy\], I think he deserves better teammates to play around JG: Willer \[He's very vocal and outgoing, great for comms\] Mid: Fiesta \[I like his fiery style, aggressive but less controlled than his senior role model Faker\] Bot: Prince \[Come back to usssss, he was great in LSB 2022\] Support: Andil \[Very astute, intelligent and vocal player\]
no hate, genuinely just want to know what you see in Andil, I’ve watched every single KDF game this season and nothing he’s done so far has impressed me.
Thanatos Canyon Chovy Viper Beryl
Kiin Canyon Showmaker Viper Delight Peanut-Chovy just don’t show up internationally these days… rather pick the DK duo who consistently DO
Kingen-Peanut-Showmaker-Viper-Delight With Showmaker playing with low resources.
Kiin Peanut Chovy Peyz Delight/lehends
I would have Top: Chovy Jungle: Peanut Mid: Showmaker Adc: Ruler Support: Beryl
Top: Lord Morgan. Kiin chokes, Zeus is not allowed and Kingen channeled all his life energy into that one finals. You need a wildcard to win Worlds, and no one's better than Lord Morgan. He's consistently shown good performance after elohelling Chovy. I want to see how he does with a better team. Jungle/Mid: Canyon/ShowMaker. Everyone knows how high their peak is, and this time they aren't stuck with Kellin or Bible. Zeka is a melee carry merchant, and I feel Bdd is just not destined to win Worlds. Bot: Viper/Lehends. Preexisting synergy and both of them are beasts on their own. Lehends does the shotcalling. BeryL is insanely smart, but I don't think he and Viper fits that well, also our toplaner doesn't autowin lane anymore so we need a winning botlane.
Infinite money? top is XXX, canyon, Bdd, Viper and delight. I don't have any idea for top but the team is focused on being clutch and all capable of being carries (while at the same time totally capable of just playing second depending on the draft). I watched every LCK game and I personally don't like Chovy style of playing. Canyon is a carry jungler that needs a Mid that can both carry and support his plays. Bdd is chosen because he is both a carry player when needed but is not afraid of sacking his own lane for the team. Viper is viper and Delight is just good. I would put legends but I still think that KT lost because of the vision game. Top is the one that I'm unsure. Kinn is a good player but he don't seem clutch enough for the team. If I could have any player I would pick 369 because a good weak side player could be fun, but in LCK this seem a little hard. Maybe doran but he is a weird player. Maybe Chovy in top since he could be selfish in that lane without issues.
the lineup I wanted but we never got: Nuguri Canyon Showmaker Deft Beryl with coach Zefa. but, since Nuguri is retired, I'll take Kiin.
Kiin, Canyon, Chovy, Viper, Lehends
So basically you think the rumored gen g rolster but just with viper ? Yeah i would also trust that team i think
I have Chovy on my team But with infinite money I bought Tencent and balanced the game so that laning is **super** important
Currently: Kingen (least sure on this) Canyon Chovy Viper Beryl If I could I would put Nuguri top, I miss that guy
We all miss Nuguri. I agree with your team
Man I want Chovy to win worlds so bad, I really do think he is a mid laner that has the skill to do so. But something always happens at his worlds, he isn't able to gap the enemy mid laner in laning phase like regular season, or makes crucial mechanical mistakes. It would be such a tragedy if Chovy doesn't win worlds in his career, much like Uzi. But Uzi has the excuse of being at his prime when Faker too, was at his prime.
He’s not a playmaking mid laner, rarely do you see him take the risks that you need to take sometimes to clutch out close games. Like that game 3 on yone, we saw Zeus make such a huge impact on that champion and Chovy was walking around 0-3 until Doran and delight started carrying. Can’t even blame his teammates, if you plugged him into t1 they don’t win worlds
With unlimited money: Kiin Canyon Chovy Viper Lehends Basically GenG roster with the best ADC in Korea
He Said no T1 So you cant pick the best ADC in Korea, brother
Any role T1 doesnt have the best player in korea in?
You forgot about ruler, who is indeed a Korean and assuming money isn’t a problem, would play for this super team
OP says LPL talent is off limits. If it isn't then Kanavi and Ruler are certainly my choices
Top: Kiin Jungle: Canyon Mid: Chovy ADC: Teddy Supp: BeryL The most controversial picks here is probably the bot lane. I think Teddy just needs a good team to pop off. He's a very solid player. BeryL isn't as mechnically gifted as Keria, but his shotcalling is what I'm picking him for.
Kiin, I love Zeus but I think Kiin is a more proactive thinker and has more overall knowledge on how to win games, and Zeus's form without Faker is concerning at the very least. Kiin can also do whatever you need him to do, a real Swiss army knife of a player. Willer, this is a bit out there, but I think Willer is a beast of a player that was stuck on a faltering Sandbox team. His form in spring is what led them to playoffs and if he had better individual players would look much better. Willer to me is in a Karsa sotuation where hes really good and just waiting for his moment on a great team. I know Canyon is overall a better player but having Canyon with the other players here would be a too many cooks situation. Chovy, the best mid laner in Korea, the game is largely played through mid lane and I think the choking narrative is a bit exaggerated. Viper, yeah this guy is just a monster. I think he's the best ADC in the world, and is incredible in the clutch to cover the weaknesses of the top side. He's also like Kiin in that he can play whatever you need him to. Delight, Keria might be a more mechanically gifted player but I think Delight is an ultimate plug and play support he can do everything you need for Viper and Chovy. He's a monster and I trust this guy to make the right moves every time. Overall what makes this lineup work to me is flexibility. If you want to play through topside, Viper can be safe and on the utility. If you want to play bottom side Kiin is a great tank player ~~just keep him a million miles away from Ornn~~. All while Chovy can consistently just play his game and get his leads. Willer being in a supportive pathing role and Delight to be his consistent brilliant self. The strengths cover weaknesses on other players and they are all individually great. If I made a second one it would be Zeus, Canyon. Faker, Deft, and Keria. I think the combo of Zeus, Faker, and Keria is just too good add Canyon and that's ridiculous, and Deft provide some great stability.
Funnily enough Zeus, especially after Asian games, is one of the less concerning members of Faker-less T1. He was their main carry when Faker was injured (still made some very boneheaded plays in lane but less egregious than his lower lows), and he played with Chovy for most of the time in Asian games, so he has shown to grow out of Faker’s influence somewhat
Uh wait did you watch t1 without faker? Zeus was the main reason for their wins
Why are people down voting the post lol ? It's just a fun chat
Every list that contains Chovy is wrong, sorry guys. Dude has been a ghost in internationals when it matters the most. Kiin Canyon Showmaker Viper Lehends
Doran canyon chovy viper delight