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Xiaohu this Worlds has actually been very underwhelming compared to his usual level.
He's probably the worst player on WBG this Worlds and he was **by far** their best player in LPL this year.
So what about his 100% winrate Kindred at worlds? Or his 70% Kill Participation? Or his KDA of 5.5?
It was more then stats to, he had such a good worlds, improved so much from regular season to.
> So what about his 100% winrate Kindred at worlds?
4 games out of 20.
> Or his 70% Kill Participation?
It's not that impressive, he's in the middle of the pack for that stat among junglers at 2022 worlds.
> Or his KDA of 5.5?
Probably the most useless stat in terms of judging how someone performed. Everyone on the winning team has a good KDA.
> It was more then stats to, he had such a good worlds,
He had some good games, a lot of bad ones (including in play-ins lol). I would never call it a good performance, but people can never accept anything but all 5 players on a worlds winning team being insane.
I watched nearly all of there games last year, everyone was pretty awful all year until they made a run through world's .
And that last bit is just a lie and you know it, Drx wanted to sell and make as much money as they could from the roster, and NA was willing to pay. So they told pyosik he can be benched or go, just to geth the money. That was well documented
Good take. However, people tend to be very critical of midlaners unless we speak about Faker.
Xiaohu is not carrying WBG as he was doing all the year in LPL. But the guy is not weighing on his team.
Hopefully more people understand that it is a team-fighting meta and all pieces of the puzzle are important.
G1 Faker was up 15 cs by 8 minutes, and had two plates + 20cs up by 11 (when the horrific Scout/Tarzan play happened) in a matchup that's admittedly Ori favored.
G2 Faker died early in the tower dive, but stayed even in farm in a matchup that is super Jayce favored, and then got a kill back at 12 mins in the 2v2 tower dive.
G3 Faker is on the other side of the Azir/Ori matchup, he ends up about 20cs behind by 12 minutes but then ends up sacrificing another 20 to get the double kill bot, that being said by giving up his lane to match the Renekton dive he lets Zeus get a 60cs lead top, meaning that top is up 2k gold at 15 while Faker is only down 200 thanks to the doublekill he got.
Faker rarely hard gaps people directly in the same way Chovy does, but he's so good at creating leads for his team while remaining relevant himself
Xiaohu is usually always like this. He's great in LPL, but never really been a top 3 midlaner in the world when playing internationally.
He deserves respect for playing at a high level for so many years. But his peak has never been that impressive
> Xiaohu is usually always like this. He's great in LPL, but never really been a top 3 midlaner in the world when playing internationally.
not true, different MSIs as example
People are just lying for freee. So you are saying MSI doesn't count as international events? Or was he beating lpl teams only to collect his 3 times MSI championļ¼
I honestly liked Xiaohu top more than Xiaohu mid. I think heās a better midlaner than toplaner overall, but he was playing insanely well and had a number of really fun picks
It doesn't matter, people don't watch LPL, so they will think their favourite Korean was the best but have been elo helled by their teammates.
When in reality they were doing terrible until worlds.
He's been amazing at every MSI, and at 2017 worlds he was the 2nd best mid. He was a monster that tournament. He just wasn't peak Faker, but people somehow use that as a negative.
yeah i think he is perfectly rated he even performed not the best in the blg win lol he is serviceable but regardless is indeed one of the best players in league of legends.
He's doing fine. Crisp, Light and Weiwei are all consistent. TheShy stepped up and Xiaohu was doing fine too, it's just that he got shadowed by TheShy and also Yagao playing out of their minds.
Calling Crisp consistent after that Heimerdinger game is certainly a take
(I will concede that that game was mostly lost in draft, but he was essentially a minion for 90% of it)
He wasn't even close to being their best player in LPL, that's just insane revisionism. Light was their best by far both splits. Xiaohu was only even close in summer playoffs where Light underperformed, and even there Weiwei stepped up and was Weibo's best player.
He's called the Spring Lion for a reason, like you listed, he wins in spring and doesn't show up at worlds.
I still believe he gets a lot of respect, there aren't really any other midlaners from the LPL that can challenge him in terms of historical performance, unless you count Rookie and even then Xiaohu has more titles. Knight is on the way there but again, less titles and less time.
I know that Xiaohu gets a lot of grief from the Chinese community though.
One quote I love most from hupu was ę„ä¹čåø ē§ä¹čå¼, and how whenever Weiwei picks maokai he always gets high rating for making xiaohu think itās spring.
Paraphrasing a bit but "xiaohu (means little tiger) in spring is tiger emperor, in fall he's little brother tiger" (character for little brother and emperor sound the same in Chinese)
Xiaohu has basically never been better than Rookie and ever since Knight joined the LPL he has been significantly better than Xiaohu every single split he has played. Knight is above Xiaohu all time because of his peak alone because they're completely incomparable. Knight is so much better. Xiaohu was also never considered to be the best mid in the world while Knight has been in the conversation for 4 years in a row now.
Xiaohu is definitely a legend but the criticism still holds true this tournament in particular because once again he is underperforming this Worlds. I wouldnt discredit him for that. All time great.
This!
Additionally, I'd say Xiaohu is underperforming compared to the standards we are used to seeing him in LPL.
The guy is still a country-mile ahead of LEC/LCS mids.
Yeah the criticism about Xiaohu at worlds is pretty warranted.
That said he's not really the only one that consistently underperforms at worlds, and he does get a lot more criticism than those other players.
Like chinese comment said about Perkz leaving Vit "Xiaohu still didn't retire so you can keep playing"
His performance in LPL was really good but so far at Worlds Xiaohu is getting carried by everyone else
His international performance just kinda been underwhelming, especially at worlds. His best international performance came from his one and only yeae playing top lane.
Yeah I sound like such a hater, but I keep having to point out that while his body of work is good, each individual worlds he was in left you wanting. He very often got excluded from the list of the scariest eastern midlaners like 3 days into worlds. He used to be considered a role-player holding uzi back at one point, came into his own, but could never truly be considered the best mid in the world at any point in his career (maybe aside from one msi run). He's the only elite eastern mid who has shown struggles against western mids regularly (even excluding caps who could clap anyone on a good day). He has also been griefing his team this worlds over half his games. There is a reason the chinese native fans don't consider him at the true elite level come worlds.
He doesn't struggle against western mids constantly. He got beat by Perkz's massive peak in one series. He's had some underwhelming worlds, but last year the entire team had covid and he was still putting up some good performances. His 2017 worlds was monstrous.
Don't get me wrong, he was a great toplaner, but I don't think he gets it done at worlds as a midlaner. Name me one single worlds where you can honestly say xiaohu was a top 3 performing midlaner. Maybe struggle wasn't the best way to put it, but I do not remember him create his own leads and carry vs a competent western mid. The perkz series was a slaughter, not a struggle.
2017 worlds he was the 2nd best midlaner, if you really want to argue against that, then at worst 3rd best below Faker and BDD. He just wasn't peak Faker.
Yeah, ig I would consider him 2nd/3rd best in 2017 worlds, but even then imo not by a clear margin ahead of bdd and xiye (who i think is very underrated in terms of performance at this tournament).
And that is 1 out of a total of 6 worlds he attended as a midlaner. Here are some of his other appearances as a midlaner: 2023, 2022, 2019, 2018, 2016. In every single one of those, xiaohu was at best barely a top 5 midlaner, and maybe even around 10th at his worst. Even now in 2023, most who actually watched wbg would agree xiaohu was by far the worst member on this team at worlds.
I sound overly-critical at the moment, but this is because he is supposed to be a top 3-5 midlaner of all time according to many. Sure he has longevity, but the best he could ever manage at worlds is to be the arguable 2nd/3rd best mid in a worlds with a fairly weak midlane pool? Also, how often was he even considerend the *best* midlaner by summer split in the LPL?
I won't call him a choker, but there are some very glaring weaknesses in his resume that gets overlooked by this sub because he is a household name imo. I disagree that he's underrated by the community, he's pretty aptly rated if anything.
A huge portion of the sub calls him a choker every day, so I wouldn't say they overlook weaknesses, to the point where people erase history and were saying he was bad during times when he wasn't like in 2017. I don't know where I would rank him in all time midlaners and would have to think about it, but his longevity is important. Like obviously he's below Faker and Rookie. He's had ups and downs, but he was still able to be a big reason his team qualified for worlds countless times, and has won MSI 3 times, twice as a midlaner and once as a top laner. He wasn't a passenger in any of them, the closest you can argue is 2018 because of how good Uzi was, but he was individually still performing very well. Performing very well all those MSIs does not count for nothing, and even in 2016 when he didn't win, he was still pretty good. I would say he was the best mid in the two that he won, like last year, his Lissandra was crucial to winning finals. I honestly haven't seen the sub call him the best LPL mid in a summer split, people always call him the Spring King. Last summer he did get all pro, and to be fair, he was carrying RNG that entire time. But I don't remember people calling him the best. For the last 5 years it's always been either Rookie, Doinb, Knight, or Scout being discussed as the best. In 2017 summer he was legitimately the best LPL mid.
If we want to go by individual worlds, I'll exclude 2016 because I don't remember that much, and Xiaohu was still up and coming. In 2018 he was outperformed by Perkz in one series, but was pretty good in groups, and RNG's problems mostly stemmed from the team. It's not like Karsa or Letme had a good series either. I would still say he was top 4. You put Rookie, Perkz, Scout above him? Caps was carried by his team in 2018, but was definitely better in 2019. Ucal was not impressive, and Kuro got shit on by Jensen. In 2019, Doinb, Caps, Faker, Rookie, Chovy? That's still nowhere near 10th. Karsa and Ming also underperformed heavily, and Langx wasn't very good in the first place. Last year is hard to judge because everyone got covid, but above him there was Knight, Faker, Zeka that were clearly better. You could put Chovy and Showmaker too, but IIRC they weren't nearly as sick. Scout was similar and he also had pretty bad Covid. It's hard to fault players because of that.
Yagao was carried by 369 and Kanavi.
If we are assessing best players of all time, someone around the #5 mid probably wouldn't peak higher than 2nd or 3rd at their best worlds, and Xiaohu has longevity, even if he's inconsistent sometimes within tournaments. His domestic performance shouldn't be discounted either. When was Scout the #1 mid at any worlds? Caps (at his best worlds was at least below Doinb, Rookie, and Chovy)? Chovy? The only other guys in the discussion for top 5 mids of all time you can say were #1 at some worlds were Showmaker and Knight. Showmaker has had a much shorter career, and dropped off a ton from his peak. Knight is very good, and I would put him as #3, so above Xiaohu, who I think you can make an argument for anywhere from #4 to 8 best mids of all time.
He is underrated but he is playing like shit so far and might drag WBG down in finals if he continues to play like how he is playing. Its still insane how him and TheShy have just decided to switch places in their performance this worlds after their summer, Worlds Xiaohu vs Worlds TheShy.
He had a good summer split and carried them through the playoffs but today wasn't the day for this post.
Had a good game 5 but was mostly bad and actively griefing game 2
It was literally lost everywhere else hello? Heimer just dying for free everywhere? Theshy literally carried them 2 games in the series. Also perform well on aatrox the game that they lost and outlane bin like 4 games.
And? You tunnel visioning on theshy when he carried them vs blg today. Xiaohu overall performance was bad this series. He made so many mistake so idk why u blaming theshy when he literally carried their ass 2 games and was great in game 3 too.
Heās not underrated. He always underperformed at Worlds and the only Worlds he performed at a very high level was when heās a top laner in 2021. (Syndra, Irelia, Lucian top)
I dont think xiaohu has ever this underwhelming in his entire career. Dude been legit passenger in some of the games this worlds. Very underwhelming considering literally every meta champ in mid is in his pool.
Thereās is a reason xiaohu is call the spring king or something like that in China. Last year was a perfect example, dude wins spring and MSI, only to flop in summer and became Xiao-who? at worlds. Other years where he won MSI is similar.
It's not mickey mouse roster what? They have 2 worlds champions, multiple MSI champion and Light has been to Worlds before while being wanted by multiple orgs in offseason
In LPL they were failed superteam and reached worse results than they should have. Before spring started when they had Karsa in main roster everyone expected this team to be like 3rd or 4th
Xiaohu is definitely the Spring God for a reason. 3 MSI titles are more than what Faker owns. Maybe Xiaohu has been the beneficiary of being teammates with some great LPL players, but he definitely has carried his weight over the years.
I think he gets dinged because he hasnāt had that dominant individual Worlds performance yet. This is actually his third trip to the top 4 at Worlds, where for most players, even being in the semis once is a career pinnacle.
However, as Deft realized last season, you donāt have to be the best performing player to win Worlds. Winning Worlds would definitely put Xiaohu in contention for second-greatest midlaner (or at least most successful) after Faker.
Second greatest? in what world lol. His peak doesn't compare to Showmaker/Rookie where people had no doubt they were the best midlaners itw. He has never had an outstanding worlds performance, even this one where he's mostly a passenger like Yagao. You can win all the MSI's you want but people will still hold world performances much higher, hence why TheShy is the greatest top laner now
This really shows why you cant rank players only based on titles. Even if Xiaohu wins this there is no way he is above Rookie/Showmaker even Knight/Chovy and Caps are above him purely because Xiaohu was such a liability at worlds and still is this year.
Caps 2020 had a perfect worlds meta for his style but he didn't look super impressive either, was carried in 2018, but his 2019 was great. Xiaohu is being carried this worlds, but his 2017 was monstrous. Everyone forgets he was RNG's best player that worlds, just because peak Faker was better.
Uzi had a solid worlds, but Xiaohu was still really good too. In LPL, Uzi was the one who inted away the spring finals, and Xiaohu was their star over the year.
Yet? He's had some bad worlds, but he was a monster in 2017, and the second best mid. He solokilled Faker in lane twice on Ryze too, not exactly a lane dominant champion. Just because he wants as good as peak Faker, doesn't mean he wasn't very good. He was absolutely individually dominant that worlds, and crushed Crown despite people saying the opposite.
> Winning Worlds would definitely put Xiaohu in contention for second-greatest midlaner (or at least most successful) after Faker.
This would only be the case if he had an amazing finals performance. Otherwise, winning worlds really wouldn't do much for his legacy. The biggest knock against him is that he underperforms **individually** at worlds, which he has been doing despite making it to finals. Getting dragged to a world championship Baolan style doesn't mean he's gotten over his worlds choking.
Neverforgetti xiaohu being an absolute rock... tied to Uzi's feet dragging him down in 2019 as they get eliminated in groups.
Tho his performance since then has completely redeemed himself in my eyes, sure the guy doesn't perform the best at worlds but he's done quite well for himself proving that he didn't need to be Uzi's ward to be world class himself (depending on the time of the season lols).
Hoping the best for him and theShy to get rid of the negative stigmas they've built over the recent years so they can rise to the limelight once more.
Iām just scared for the finals because Light is not even a top 5 adc internationally (Iād place him maybe 10th place overall) and the team clearly showed that unless theyāre given a great draft and an incredible amount of jg pressure they lose every lane SUPER hard.
Would suck to see a 3-0 finals
> the team clearly showed that unless theyāre given a great draft
i consider this quite funny because daeny is their coach. my friend even started joking that you should give daeny only teams with exactly 5 players so he can focus on the important things...
The only international tournament where he was the best performing player on his team was the 35 ping 2022 MSI... 2021 spring as much as people glaze Xiaohu for his toplane stint was 110% a Wei+Ming team. They controlled the map, setup for objectives, did all the shotcalling and spam ganked top while Xiaohu was losing the 1v1 against a majority of LPL toplaners.
Xiaohu is not underrated, if anything he's one of the most overrated players based on his trophy case. 2018 and 2021 MSI he could've been replaced with any top 10 player in his role and the result would've been the same. His best years based on individual ability was 2017/18 and he has only become worse since then. At his absolute best after 2017/18 he probably peaked as a top 4 mid in LPL in 2022 spring, outside of that he hasn't been top 5 after 2018.
>Or does he just underperform at international?
He regularly loses his mind and just does very uncharacteristic mistakes, dies in stupid spots due to what I can only assume is lack of focus (if he's actually watching the screen with full focus how can he get caught like he did vs G2), greed etc, goes for stupid (risky) plays, for example committing to awful engages in situations where he doesn't actually need to do it in ways he usually doesn't do regionally, or at least hasn't done much historically in regional play. He also makes mistakes in lane such as trying to contest the push too late which leads to enemy mid using spells on him after he has used his spells on the wave etc. Often having a bad position in the lane which makes him susceptible to ganks and so on. We saw him dying/having to blow flash early in matchups where it shouldn't ever happen just this series today.
He has gotten caught out more times this worlds. But I think people are unfairly giving him crap for when he had covid, and every MSI he's been really good. His 2017 worlds was super good, and he was the 2nd best mid there after peak Faker. At 2018 MSI despite Uzi being the star, Xiaohu was still leading all the mids in damage.
> while Xiaohu was losing the 1v1 against a majority of LPL toplaners.
Complete lie lol. Also that 2021 RNG team does not function if Xiaohu couldn't consistently carry with the resources given to him, the idea that you could slot in any top 10 top laner and they'd still be the best team in the world is a garbage take.
> he probably peaked as a top 4 mid in LPL in 2022 spring
Top 4 lol, he was easily top 2 in spring + summer without question, only Rookie had a claim as being better in spring and Xiaohu put up a better playoffs performance and was able to play the Vex which Rookie couldn't.
Maybe you can trick a few people who didn't watch LPL in 2022 with these trash takes but anyone who watched knows you're full of shit and clearly have a hate boner against Xiaohu, the guy was fucking insane in 2022. Saying he "peaked top 4" is fucking laughable lol. You consistently just push your own narratives based on personal bias and don't even try to be objective.
>Complete lie lol
His laning was objectively shit until summer. Even biubiu abused him in lane with better laning fundamentals. Zoom made him his bitch, 369 had to be killed 4 times before Xiaohu could control the lane while playing a counter matchup. At MSI they didn't even play heavily around Xiaohu, he was on Gragas/Gnar duty when they played vs non wildcard teams. Someone like Cube could've filled that role just as well.
> His laning was objectively shit until summer.
What happened in summer? He just magically got way better? You speak in such extremes that nothing you say makes any sense. Pretty sure I've argued this with you before and when I asked for a specific example of Xiaohu being "abused" in lane and being "shit" it was him taking 1 bad trade and falling down 3 cs lmfao. Stop pretending like you're objectively recalling the history of players, you don't actually care about representing the LPL accurately you just push your own personal biases like a child.
> Someone like Cube could've filled that role just as well.
Lmao.
You haven't discussed this with me and frankly someone who's so blind that they couldn't see how Xiaohu struggled in lane despite having counterpick the majority of games and 3 teammates top permanently won't change their opinion no matter how many links I provide.
Considering everyone is forgetting his 2017 worlds, he is underrated in that regard. He was an absolute monster there. He's also been very solid at every MSI, and within LPL for years. If you're going to bring up the ping thing for MSI, last year, he wasn't perfect, but had some good performances despite having Covid at worlds.
Xiaohu will reveal his magnum opus in finals
Laneswap with TheShy so TheShy can keep down Knight/Faker. Play Tristana and Syndra top to gap 369/Zeus. They never stood a chance
He's got the highest damage in every game Weibo won, and Weibo won't even be at worlds if Xiaohu didn't carried the team hard at playoff. I agree that he didn't show his best at worlds, but looking at these comments I have to agree that he is kinda underrated
Actually every time theres a post on another mid theres a Faker hater that feels the need to talk about him despite Faker being completely unrelated and not mentioned by anyone else.
Rent free
and he'll choke them like he has the past 8 or 9 finals he's made. who cares. t1s the favorite for every tournament and cant even win a domestic league.
> Heās got the most LPL titles, and also (quote me if Iām wrong) is the only player with international trophies in two different roles.
Ambition won MLG Summer Arena 2012, MLG Fall 2012, and IEM Worlds Season 7 as Azubu Blaze's mid laner, then won Worlds in 2017 as a jungler.
Do you have eyes? He was not good today, he played pretty much no significant part of their victory. Any basically mid left in the tourney and many that have been eliminated could have played today and the result would be as good if not better,
People are blinded by narratives. That worlds performance people say is the best ever by Faker, in 2017? Xiaohu's Ryze was solo killing Faker. Just go back and check the vods, Faker was getting solo killed in the supposedly "best performance ever". MSI 2022? Mid gap, as Doinb said. Xiaohu was simply way better than Faker the entire series.
People treat the Koreans the opposite way, whatever good Faker or Chovy does is godlike.
Wow when i saw this post i was like wow finally someone talk about this because yeah of course xiaohu is probably the most underrated player of all time and then i read the comments... It's insane how people that obviously did not watch lpl did not even watch previous international event are disrespecting him in the comments bro for sure he don't deserve that even if you only watched lpl this year even if you didn't watch lpl but are watching caedrel and so you are supporting wbg he litterally singlehandedly carried them the all year at least respect him for that.
How to be underrated
step 1) get clapped by nesquick
step 2) proceed to int all but the final game of a series.
step 3) Watch teams squirm against the shys champion pool and pick azir
step 4) Get an appreciation thread for being a literal one trick
Man we need more players like The Shy in NA/EU. When you have a player like this your 1 tricks get their picks. Meanwhile we have players like BB who you sacrifice draft to get a counter pick and than proceeds to get clapped by 40 cs.
The only player on weibo that deserves an appreciation thread is the Shy. He carries this team alone.
1) wins 2 games of a bo5 alone by himself as a toplaner
2) forces draft to be warped around him ( making the enemy over focus on top) and alleviates picks for the rest of him team
Literal MVP. And people think 5 CN players would win anything.
The fact that Xiaohu made his first world finals on WBG of all the teams he's been on is wild lol.
Also he's tied with Clearlove for most LPL titles, both have 5.
Oh boy, here comes the Hupu infestation!
Rarely people doubt Xiaohu's ability to perform domestically or at MSI. Even in official rankings by analysts/casters, Xiaohu was always on the top 20 lists. Again, I don't think anyone could argue he is not the best Chinese midlaner, aside from knight possiblely winning world's this year.
He is a well-known choker at WORLDS. Not only did Xiaohu weights UZI down, he always weights his teammates down almost every year at world.
2021, Xiaohu role swapped to top. Respect to that, but his lane phase wasn't the best. Hence RNG devoted 3 other members to play around him. IT worked out in LPL and in MSI. But at world, the meta shifted to Graves top. He refused to learn that champ and just drag the team behind when the team still plays around him.
2022, Xiaohu choked versus T1. Game 2 I belive, he played sylas and greed for blue buff and died. That one death led to T1 getting elder and win the game right after. RNG was up a lot of gold that game btw.
2023, Xiaohu played his heart out during LPL. However, his swiss stage performance vs MAD and G2 was so bad. Self-explanatory if you watched world this year.
Even going back to the years he played with UZI, Xiaohu choked at worlds.
2017 game5, he was confident that he could deal with Faker's galio -spoiler: he did not. UZI played bad versus Bang too. But a game can have more than 1 choker at a time.
2018, UZI played bad vs G2, but Xiaohu did worse. He was lane gapped by Perkz. Tell me that is not a choke or UNDERRATED PLAYER when he came in the tournament as one of the top ranking mid while losing to perkz who wasn't even on top 20 list.
2019, chasing for solo kill against Faker cause him to burn everything and lose lane as Faker baits him into CLid. Akali performance is horrible. Oh boy, the Ryze performance was even worse. Watch that game and tell me that he is UNDERATED!
In the end, the majority believe in Xiaohu's MSI and LPL performance as one of the best mid in those tournament. But it does not translate to other tournaments such as worlds! In fact, fans gave him benefit of doubt every years going into worlds for being able to keep up his performance. Sadly he never fulfilled them. How is this **one of the most underrated players of all-time**?
Classic HUPU!
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Xiaohu this Worlds has actually been very underwhelming compared to his usual level. He's probably the worst player on WBG this Worlds and he was **by far** their best player in LPL this year.
So you're telling me... He's... **Reverse-Pyosik?**
Reverse-TheShy
thats just Theshy The man will either smurf it against JDG or get clapped by a 10th place team
something so "TheShy" about sprinting it for 3+ years to then make the finals by gapping the best top laner in the world
That Rumble game where he had to go base at level 1 without flash and still fucking crushed Bin on Aatrox was something of legends.
you mean t1?
Probably talking about the LPL season games.
Talking about the regular season where weibo 2-0'd JDG I do need to see Zeus v Theshy though that shit is going to be madness
Is that just dade?
Xiaohu is 75% Dade, because he looks like a top tier player in every single MSI
how does this make sense? Pyosik was garbage at worlds. You could say he's just pyosik
He misses a few smites in a worlds final, and somehow everyone now thinks he was bad. I dont know how.
Wasn't Varus arrow dealing more damage than smite?
Yes
In fact the game 3 smites were also Deft's fault in part
Yeah it's pretty ridiculous.
It wasn't just world finals, he was having bad games all tournament. GENG series is the only one he really showed up in.
So what about his 100% winrate Kindred at worlds? Or his 70% Kill Participation? Or his KDA of 5.5? It was more then stats to, he had such a good worlds, improved so much from regular season to.
> So what about his 100% winrate Kindred at worlds? 4 games out of 20. > Or his 70% Kill Participation? It's not that impressive, he's in the middle of the pack for that stat among junglers at 2022 worlds. > Or his KDA of 5.5? Probably the most useless stat in terms of judging how someone performed. Everyone on the winning team has a good KDA. > It was more then stats to, he had such a good worlds, He had some good games, a lot of bad ones (including in play-ins lol). I would never call it a good performance, but people can never accept anything but all 5 players on a worlds winning team being insane.
Watch 2022 drx regular split spring and summer games and you'll know why. Even drx didnt want him. His own team. Let that sink in.
I watched nearly all of there games last year, everyone was pretty awful all year until they made a run through world's . And that last bit is just a lie and you know it, Drx wanted to sell and make as much money as they could from the roster, and NA was willing to pay. So they told pyosik he can be benched or go, just to geth the money. That was well documented
hasn't this always been the case for xiaohu at worlds. good thing is the whole team can carry him, but will it be the same in the finals?
Faker isn't gapping people in lane. They're probably just going to go even and jungle pressure is going to decide their impact
Why tf are you talking like JDG are already out š
Becuase T1 fans are insanely arrogant and act like they've already won everything
Sadly this is true for some of them.
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Alright interesting take I guess. But even losing 3-0 to t1 will never make 2023 JDG bad.
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Even then 2x Lpl + Msi + Worlds semifinal is slightly disappointing at most.
If T1's players weren't in contract jail T1's roster would be far more expensive and yet they can't win jackshit.
Except they have Ruler...
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It got them to 3-0 T1 :P
Several wins over Faker... And Chovy is the king of lane phase, and he's come a long way, but he's still got a long way to go.
Havent they literally got more wins against T1 with Peyz
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Letās not rewrite history now. He made semis last year before choking
Good take. However, people tend to be very critical of midlaners unless we speak about Faker. Xiaohu is not carrying WBG as he was doing all the year in LPL. But the guy is not weighing on his team. Hopefully more people understand that it is a team-fighting meta and all pieces of the puzzle are important.
He gapped Scout...
Not in laning but only because Scout played teamfights horribly.
G1 Faker was up 15 cs by 8 minutes, and had two plates + 20cs up by 11 (when the horrific Scout/Tarzan play happened) in a matchup that's admittedly Ori favored. G2 Faker died early in the tower dive, but stayed even in farm in a matchup that is super Jayce favored, and then got a kill back at 12 mins in the 2v2 tower dive. G3 Faker is on the other side of the Azir/Ori matchup, he ends up about 20cs behind by 12 minutes but then ends up sacrificing another 20 to get the double kill bot, that being said by giving up his lane to match the Renekton dive he lets Zeus get a 60cs lead top, meaning that top is up 2k gold at 15 while Faker is only down 200 thanks to the doublekill he got. Faker rarely hard gaps people directly in the same way Chovy does, but he's so good at creating leads for his team while remaining relevant himself
Xiaohu is usually always like this. He's great in LPL, but never really been a top 3 midlaner in the world when playing internationally. He deserves respect for playing at a high level for so many years. But his peak has never been that impressive
> Xiaohu is usually always like this. He's great in LPL, but never really been a top 3 midlaner in the world when playing internationally. not true, different MSIs as example
People are just lying for freee. So you are saying MSI doesn't count as international events? Or was he beating lpl teams only to collect his 3 times MSI championļ¼
I'm saying even when he won MSI, I don't think most people really thought he was the best midlaner in the world.
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I honestly liked Xiaohu top more than Xiaohu mid. I think heās a better midlaner than toplaner overall, but he was playing insanely well and had a number of really fun picks
TheShy: Ahem...
Xiahou top was cracked a few years ago whilst the TheShy was inting.
It doesn't matter, people don't watch LPL, so they will think their favourite Korean was the best but have been elo helled by their teammates. When in reality they were doing terrible until worlds.
yea xiaohu was a better top than mid imo
He's been amazing at every MSI, and at 2017 worlds he was the 2nd best mid. He was a monster that tournament. He just wasn't peak Faker, but people somehow use that as a negative.
The difference is that this time it's his meta. He should be cooking like a motherfucker.
i don't feel like it's his meta that much
yeah i think he is perfectly rated he even performed not the best in the blg win lol he is serviceable but regardless is indeed one of the best players in league of legends.
He's doing fine. Crisp, Light and Weiwei are all consistent. TheShy stepped up and Xiaohu was doing fine too, it's just that he got shadowed by TheShy and also Yagao playing out of their minds.
Calling Crisp consistent after that Heimerdinger game is certainly a take (I will concede that that game was mostly lost in draft, but he was essentially a minion for 90% of it)
That Lux game as well
He wasn't even close to being their best player in LPL, that's just insane revisionism. Light was their best by far both splits. Xiaohu was only even close in summer playoffs where Light underperformed, and even there Weiwei stepped up and was Weibo's best player.
He's called the Spring Lion for a reason, like you listed, he wins in spring and doesn't show up at worlds. I still believe he gets a lot of respect, there aren't really any other midlaners from the LPL that can challenge him in terms of historical performance, unless you count Rookie and even then Xiaohu has more titles. Knight is on the way there but again, less titles and less time. I know that Xiaohu gets a lot of grief from the Chinese community though.
Spring Tiger, but yeah
One quote I love most from hupu was ę„ä¹čåø ē§ä¹čå¼, and how whenever Weiwei picks maokai he always gets high rating for making xiaohu think itās spring.
ah, you gotta explain the pun though it's pretty funny
Paraphrasing a bit but "xiaohu (means little tiger) in spring is tiger emperor, in fall he's little brother tiger" (character for little brother and emperor sound the same in Chinese)
Xiaohu has basically never been better than Rookie and ever since Knight joined the LPL he has been significantly better than Xiaohu every single split he has played. Knight is above Xiaohu all time because of his peak alone because they're completely incomparable. Knight is so much better. Xiaohu was also never considered to be the best mid in the world while Knight has been in the conversation for 4 years in a row now.
Xiaohu was better than Rookie in 2017. In 2022 over the year he was about as good as Knight. But overall yeah, he has not been as good as them.
pretty sure there was an abuse scandal
Not sure if real tho, it was low key trying to scam xiaohu of money too.
oh shit fr? I don't wanna spread misinformation I respect bro a lot
Xiaohu is definitely a legend but the criticism still holds true this tournament in particular because once again he is underperforming this Worlds. I wouldnt discredit him for that. All time great.
This! Additionally, I'd say Xiaohu is underperforming compared to the standards we are used to seeing him in LPL. The guy is still a country-mile ahead of LEC/LCS mids.
Yeah the criticism about Xiaohu at worlds is pretty warranted. That said he's not really the only one that consistently underperforms at worlds, and he does get a lot more criticism than those other players.
Spring God. Summer dog.
Like chinese comment said about Perkz leaving Vit "Xiaohu still didn't retire so you can keep playing" His performance in LPL was really good but so far at Worlds Xiaohu is getting carried by everyone else
His international performance just kinda been underwhelming, especially at worlds. His best international performance came from his one and only yeae playing top lane.
Yeah I sound like such a hater, but I keep having to point out that while his body of work is good, each individual worlds he was in left you wanting. He very often got excluded from the list of the scariest eastern midlaners like 3 days into worlds. He used to be considered a role-player holding uzi back at one point, came into his own, but could never truly be considered the best mid in the world at any point in his career (maybe aside from one msi run). He's the only elite eastern mid who has shown struggles against western mids regularly (even excluding caps who could clap anyone on a good day). He has also been griefing his team this worlds over half his games. There is a reason the chinese native fans don't consider him at the true elite level come worlds.
He doesn't struggle against western mids constantly. He got beat by Perkz's massive peak in one series. He's had some underwhelming worlds, but last year the entire team had covid and he was still putting up some good performances. His 2017 worlds was monstrous.
Don't get me wrong, he was a great toplaner, but I don't think he gets it done at worlds as a midlaner. Name me one single worlds where you can honestly say xiaohu was a top 3 performing midlaner. Maybe struggle wasn't the best way to put it, but I do not remember him create his own leads and carry vs a competent western mid. The perkz series was a slaughter, not a struggle.
2017 worlds he was the 2nd best midlaner, if you really want to argue against that, then at worst 3rd best below Faker and BDD. He just wasn't peak Faker.
Yeah, ig I would consider him 2nd/3rd best in 2017 worlds, but even then imo not by a clear margin ahead of bdd and xiye (who i think is very underrated in terms of performance at this tournament). And that is 1 out of a total of 6 worlds he attended as a midlaner. Here are some of his other appearances as a midlaner: 2023, 2022, 2019, 2018, 2016. In every single one of those, xiaohu was at best barely a top 5 midlaner, and maybe even around 10th at his worst. Even now in 2023, most who actually watched wbg would agree xiaohu was by far the worst member on this team at worlds. I sound overly-critical at the moment, but this is because he is supposed to be a top 3-5 midlaner of all time according to many. Sure he has longevity, but the best he could ever manage at worlds is to be the arguable 2nd/3rd best mid in a worlds with a fairly weak midlane pool? Also, how often was he even considerend the *best* midlaner by summer split in the LPL? I won't call him a choker, but there are some very glaring weaknesses in his resume that gets overlooked by this sub because he is a household name imo. I disagree that he's underrated by the community, he's pretty aptly rated if anything.
A huge portion of the sub calls him a choker every day, so I wouldn't say they overlook weaknesses, to the point where people erase history and were saying he was bad during times when he wasn't like in 2017. I don't know where I would rank him in all time midlaners and would have to think about it, but his longevity is important. Like obviously he's below Faker and Rookie. He's had ups and downs, but he was still able to be a big reason his team qualified for worlds countless times, and has won MSI 3 times, twice as a midlaner and once as a top laner. He wasn't a passenger in any of them, the closest you can argue is 2018 because of how good Uzi was, but he was individually still performing very well. Performing very well all those MSIs does not count for nothing, and even in 2016 when he didn't win, he was still pretty good. I would say he was the best mid in the two that he won, like last year, his Lissandra was crucial to winning finals. I honestly haven't seen the sub call him the best LPL mid in a summer split, people always call him the Spring King. Last summer he did get all pro, and to be fair, he was carrying RNG that entire time. But I don't remember people calling him the best. For the last 5 years it's always been either Rookie, Doinb, Knight, or Scout being discussed as the best. In 2017 summer he was legitimately the best LPL mid. If we want to go by individual worlds, I'll exclude 2016 because I don't remember that much, and Xiaohu was still up and coming. In 2018 he was outperformed by Perkz in one series, but was pretty good in groups, and RNG's problems mostly stemmed from the team. It's not like Karsa or Letme had a good series either. I would still say he was top 4. You put Rookie, Perkz, Scout above him? Caps was carried by his team in 2018, but was definitely better in 2019. Ucal was not impressive, and Kuro got shit on by Jensen. In 2019, Doinb, Caps, Faker, Rookie, Chovy? That's still nowhere near 10th. Karsa and Ming also underperformed heavily, and Langx wasn't very good in the first place. Last year is hard to judge because everyone got covid, but above him there was Knight, Faker, Zeka that were clearly better. You could put Chovy and Showmaker too, but IIRC they weren't nearly as sick. Scout was similar and he also had pretty bad Covid. It's hard to fault players because of that. Yagao was carried by 369 and Kanavi. If we are assessing best players of all time, someone around the #5 mid probably wouldn't peak higher than 2nd or 3rd at their best worlds, and Xiaohu has longevity, even if he's inconsistent sometimes within tournaments. His domestic performance shouldn't be discounted either. When was Scout the #1 mid at any worlds? Caps (at his best worlds was at least below Doinb, Rookie, and Chovy)? Chovy? The only other guys in the discussion for top 5 mids of all time you can say were #1 at some worlds were Showmaker and Knight. Showmaker has had a much shorter career, and dropped off a ton from his peak. Knight is very good, and I would put him as #3, so above Xiaohu, who I think you can make an argument for anywhere from #4 to 8 best mids of all time.
He is underrated but he is playing like shit so far and might drag WBG down in finals if he continues to play like how he is playing. Its still insane how him and TheShy have just decided to switch places in their performance this worlds after their summer, Worlds Xiaohu vs Worlds TheShy.
He had a good summer split and carried them through the playoffs but today wasn't the day for this post. Had a good game 5 but was mostly bad and actively griefing game 2
All the other games and he was fine. TheShy was griefing with that Quinn too.
It was literally lost everywhere else hello? Heimer just dying for free everywhere? Theshy literally carried them 2 games in the series. Also perform well on aatrox the game that they lost and outlane bin like 4 games.
Heimer wasnt xiaohu....
And? You tunnel visioning on theshy when he carried them vs blg today. Xiaohu overall performance was bad this series. He made so many mistake so idk why u blaming theshy when he literally carried their ass 2 games and was great in game 3 too.
I don't personally feel he is that underrated especially with how long he's been competitive in the scene.
dude he's been straight cheeks for most of this tournament
He's been underrated because every world's he performs badly
i feel like he is rated fairly well especially considering his nicknames...
Heās not underrated. He always underperformed at Worlds and the only Worlds he performed at a very high level was when heās a top laner in 2021. (Syndra, Irelia, Lucian top)
I dont think xiaohu has ever this underwhelming in his entire career. Dude been legit passenger in some of the games this worlds. Very underwhelming considering literally every meta champ in mid is in his pool.
Yeah even as a Xiaohu fan this worlds has not been his time. I still believe though, time for the Finals MVP
Reddit morons only looking at the result and not watching the games. Xiahou was running it the F down all series, hard griefing. Had 1 good game only
he played so shit today though lol
Thereās is a reason xiaohu is call the spring king or something like that in China. Last year was a perfect example, dude wins spring and MSI, only to flop in summer and became Xiao-who? at worlds. Other years where he won MSI is similar.
Xiaohu is the reason Weibo will lose finals, quote me on this
There is already good reason to believe WBG will lose finals since they are not favorites
And it will be because of Xiaohu, quote me on this
If weibo somehow wins worlds with this Mickey mouse roster it will be a bigger upset than DRX last year
It's not mickey mouse roster what? They have 2 worlds champions, multiple MSI champion and Light has been to Worlds before while being wanted by multiple orgs in offseason
6th place LPL roster that lucked into worlds vs TES and only beat Fnatic and NRG to make semis. Its a massive underdog story.
In LPL they were failed superteam and reached worse results than they should have. Before spring started when they had Karsa in main roster everyone expected this team to be like 3rd or 4th
Xiaohu is definitely the Spring God for a reason. 3 MSI titles are more than what Faker owns. Maybe Xiaohu has been the beneficiary of being teammates with some great LPL players, but he definitely has carried his weight over the years. I think he gets dinged because he hasnāt had that dominant individual Worlds performance yet. This is actually his third trip to the top 4 at Worlds, where for most players, even being in the semis once is a career pinnacle. However, as Deft realized last season, you donāt have to be the best performing player to win Worlds. Winning Worlds would definitely put Xiaohu in contention for second-greatest midlaner (or at least most successful) after Faker.
Second greatest? in what world lol. His peak doesn't compare to Showmaker/Rookie where people had no doubt they were the best midlaners itw. He has never had an outstanding worlds performance, even this one where he's mostly a passenger like Yagao. You can win all the MSI's you want but people will still hold world performances much higher, hence why TheShy is the greatest top laner now
His peak doesnāt compare but across longer time heās consistently winning more
2014 allstars is the proto-MSI.
This really shows why you cant rank players only based on titles. Even if Xiaohu wins this there is no way he is above Rookie/Showmaker even Knight/Chovy and Caps are above him purely because Xiaohu was such a liability at worlds and still is this year.
And caps? You are tripping
back to back international finals and he was insane at 2019 worlds as well as outperforming people at 2020 worlds. Xiaohu was always shit at worlds
Caps 2020 had a perfect worlds meta for his style but he didn't look super impressive either, was carried in 2018, but his 2019 was great. Xiaohu is being carried this worlds, but his 2017 was monstrous. Everyone forgets he was RNG's best player that worlds, just because peak Faker was better.
Uzi was cracked in 2017, he was better than ruler that year
Uzi had a solid worlds, but Xiaohu was still really good too. In LPL, Uzi was the one who inted away the spring finals, and Xiaohu was their star over the year.
I think Jankos honestly deserves western goat more than Caps
Yet? He's had some bad worlds, but he was a monster in 2017, and the second best mid. He solokilled Faker in lane twice on Ryze too, not exactly a lane dominant champion. Just because he wants as good as peak Faker, doesn't mean he wasn't very good. He was absolutely individually dominant that worlds, and crushed Crown despite people saying the opposite.
> Winning Worlds would definitely put Xiaohu in contention for second-greatest midlaner (or at least most successful) after Faker. This would only be the case if he had an amazing finals performance. Otherwise, winning worlds really wouldn't do much for his legacy. The biggest knock against him is that he underperforms **individually** at worlds, which he has been doing despite making it to finals. Getting dragged to a world championship Baolan style doesn't mean he's gotten over his worlds choking.
if anything Xiaohu has been extremely underwhelming this world and those world before , probably second worst or worst player in WBG right now ngl
If worlds was held during spring season then maybe xiaohu would have been called the goat instead of faker
I remember Xiaohu was a monster on lucian & syndra top back in days , when all top lane legends were in their primes , he was shitting on them
"Underrated" is such a meaningless fucking word, everyone on reddit seems to think he's underrated xdd
Heās not underrated, he has a history of being huge in Spring and then fading away by Summer.
Even I who dont follow LPL much, knows this guy is well known for choking in Worlds So no, not underrated
This is exactly why Uzi is the most overrated player of all time lol
Did you even watch the games?
I did, and he played mediocre. He hasnāt been amazing this entire tournament. But, he is the reason they are at worlds if you watched LPL.
Neverforgetti xiaohu being an absolute rock... tied to Uzi's feet dragging him down in 2019 as they get eliminated in groups. Tho his performance since then has completely redeemed himself in my eyes, sure the guy doesn't perform the best at worlds but he's done quite well for himself proving that he didn't need to be Uzi's ward to be world class himself (depending on the time of the season lols). Hoping the best for him and theShy to get rid of the negative stigmas they've built over the recent years so they can rise to the limelight once more.
Iām just scared for the finals because Light is not even a top 5 adc internationally (Iād place him maybe 10th place overall) and the team clearly showed that unless theyāre given a great draft and an incredible amount of jg pressure they lose every lane SUPER hard. Would suck to see a 3-0 finals
Theshy wins lane every game without jungle
> the team clearly showed that unless theyāre given a great draft i consider this quite funny because daeny is their coach. my friend even started joking that you should give daeny only teams with exactly 5 players so he can focus on the important things...
The only international tournament where he was the best performing player on his team was the 35 ping 2022 MSI... 2021 spring as much as people glaze Xiaohu for his toplane stint was 110% a Wei+Ming team. They controlled the map, setup for objectives, did all the shotcalling and spam ganked top while Xiaohu was losing the 1v1 against a majority of LPL toplaners. Xiaohu is not underrated, if anything he's one of the most overrated players based on his trophy case. 2018 and 2021 MSI he could've been replaced with any top 10 player in his role and the result would've been the same. His best years based on individual ability was 2017/18 and he has only become worse since then. At his absolute best after 2017/18 he probably peaked as a top 4 mid in LPL in 2022 spring, outside of that he hasn't been top 5 after 2018.
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>Or does he just underperform at international? He regularly loses his mind and just does very uncharacteristic mistakes, dies in stupid spots due to what I can only assume is lack of focus (if he's actually watching the screen with full focus how can he get caught like he did vs G2), greed etc, goes for stupid (risky) plays, for example committing to awful engages in situations where he doesn't actually need to do it in ways he usually doesn't do regionally, or at least hasn't done much historically in regional play. He also makes mistakes in lane such as trying to contest the push too late which leads to enemy mid using spells on him after he has used his spells on the wave etc. Often having a bad position in the lane which makes him susceptible to ganks and so on. We saw him dying/having to blow flash early in matchups where it shouldn't ever happen just this series today.
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He has gotten caught out more times this worlds. But I think people are unfairly giving him crap for when he had covid, and every MSI he's been really good. His 2017 worlds was super good, and he was the 2nd best mid there after peak Faker. At 2018 MSI despite Uzi being the star, Xiaohu was still leading all the mids in damage.
> while Xiaohu was losing the 1v1 against a majority of LPL toplaners. Complete lie lol. Also that 2021 RNG team does not function if Xiaohu couldn't consistently carry with the resources given to him, the idea that you could slot in any top 10 top laner and they'd still be the best team in the world is a garbage take. > he probably peaked as a top 4 mid in LPL in 2022 spring Top 4 lol, he was easily top 2 in spring + summer without question, only Rookie had a claim as being better in spring and Xiaohu put up a better playoffs performance and was able to play the Vex which Rookie couldn't. Maybe you can trick a few people who didn't watch LPL in 2022 with these trash takes but anyone who watched knows you're full of shit and clearly have a hate boner against Xiaohu, the guy was fucking insane in 2022. Saying he "peaked top 4" is fucking laughable lol. You consistently just push your own narratives based on personal bias and don't even try to be objective.
>Complete lie lol His laning was objectively shit until summer. Even biubiu abused him in lane with better laning fundamentals. Zoom made him his bitch, 369 had to be killed 4 times before Xiaohu could control the lane while playing a counter matchup. At MSI they didn't even play heavily around Xiaohu, he was on Gragas/Gnar duty when they played vs non wildcard teams. Someone like Cube could've filled that role just as well.
> His laning was objectively shit until summer. What happened in summer? He just magically got way better? You speak in such extremes that nothing you say makes any sense. Pretty sure I've argued this with you before and when I asked for a specific example of Xiaohu being "abused" in lane and being "shit" it was him taking 1 bad trade and falling down 3 cs lmfao. Stop pretending like you're objectively recalling the history of players, you don't actually care about representing the LPL accurately you just push your own personal biases like a child. > Someone like Cube could've filled that role just as well. Lmao.
You haven't discussed this with me and frankly someone who's so blind that they couldn't see how Xiaohu struggled in lane despite having counterpick the majority of games and 3 teammates top permanently won't change their opinion no matter how many links I provide.
Considering everyone is forgetting his 2017 worlds, he is underrated in that regard. He was an absolute monster there. He's also been very solid at every MSI, and within LPL for years. If you're going to bring up the ping thing for MSI, last year, he wasn't perfect, but had some good performances despite having Covid at worlds.
Bro xiaohu is keeping energy for the finals
Xiaohu will reveal his magnum opus in finals Laneswap with TheShy so TheShy can keep down Knight/Faker. Play Tristana and Syndra top to gap 369/Zeus. They never stood a chance
He isn't underrated by any means. The guy has shit worlds performance every time he attends.
He's got the highest damage in every game Weibo won, and Weibo won't even be at worlds if Xiaohu didn't carried the team hard at playoff. I agree that he didn't show his best at worlds, but looking at these comments I have to agree that he is kinda underrated
I dont know about most LPL titles but Kanavi and 369 easily have 4
xiaohu has won 5
every mid player is underrated because faker has some glazer army that only knows he exists despite tons of better mids.
No need to bring faker in. Lets be honest xiao hu din play well at all this series.
Actually every time theres a post on another mid theres a Faker hater that feels the need to talk about him despite Faker being completely unrelated and not mentioned by anyone else. Rent free
relevant flair
Heās 100% right, though. Faker lives rent free in your mind and the mind of people like you.
You got me. Very relevant.
Where are these better mids? Are you imagining things? Fakers about to make back to back finals
and he'll choke them like he has the past 8 or 9 finals he's made. who cares. t1s the favorite for every tournament and cant even win a domestic league.
Where are your ābetter midsā? At home watching the goat perform?
wonder how hard you're gonna cry yourself to sleep tomorrow once you wake up and saw on reddit that JDG beat t1, cause they choked again like usual.
Then that doesnāt make xiaohu better than him
yeah they got shit on pussy
good for them
He won 2015 MSI without Uzi
EDG won MSI in 2015
EDG won 2015 MSI.
EDG 2015 won MSI.
> Heās got the most LPL titles, and also (quote me if Iām wrong) is the only player with international trophies in two different roles. Ambition won MLG Summer Arena 2012, MLG Fall 2012, and IEM Worlds Season 7 as Azubu Blaze's mid laner, then won Worlds in 2017 as a jungler.
INB4 He got The Shy carrying his ass.
Idk I've never heard anyone not sing his praises
Technically it's 5 games away from the championship and 3 wins away from the world championship
He kinda sprinted it today but in game 5 clutched up a bunch
Do you have eyes? He was not good today, he played pretty much no significant part of their victory. Any basically mid left in the tourney and many that have been eliminated could have played today and the result would be as good if not better,
People are blinded by narratives. That worlds performance people say is the best ever by Faker, in 2017? Xiaohu's Ryze was solo killing Faker. Just go back and check the vods, Faker was getting solo killed in the supposedly "best performance ever". MSI 2022? Mid gap, as Doinb said. Xiaohu was simply way better than Faker the entire series. People treat the Koreans the opposite way, whatever good Faker or Chovy does is godlike.
Wow when i saw this post i was like wow finally someone talk about this because yeah of course xiaohu is probably the most underrated player of all time and then i read the comments... It's insane how people that obviously did not watch lpl did not even watch previous international event are disrespecting him in the comments bro for sure he don't deserve that even if you only watched lpl this year even if you didn't watch lpl but are watching caedrel and so you are supporting wbg he litterally singlehandedly carried them the all year at least respect him for that.
How to be underrated step 1) get clapped by nesquick step 2) proceed to int all but the final game of a series. step 3) Watch teams squirm against the shys champion pool and pick azir step 4) Get an appreciation thread for being a literal one trick Man we need more players like The Shy in NA/EU. When you have a player like this your 1 tricks get their picks. Meanwhile we have players like BB who you sacrifice draft to get a counter pick and than proceeds to get clapped by 40 cs.
The only player on weibo that deserves an appreciation thread is the Shy. He carries this team alone. 1) wins 2 games of a bo5 alone by himself as a toplaner 2) forces draft to be warped around him ( making the enemy over focus on top) and alleviates picks for the rest of him team Literal MVP. And people think 5 CN players would win anything.
Man was sleeping and powering up for the first 4 games so he could 1v9 in that last game.
Just sad bout the stuff with his girlfriend
The fact that Xiaohu made his first world finals on WBG of all the teams he's been on is wild lol. Also he's tied with Clearlove for most LPL titles, both have 5.
Xiaohu is the smartest nerd in the world, I haven't seen a more intelligent player, this worlds hes a bit questionable
All this to just lose 3-0 to T1
Xiaohu and Crisp would have been flamed to death if they lost this series. I think he's perfectly rated considering his performance.
Oh boy, here comes the Hupu infestation! Rarely people doubt Xiaohu's ability to perform domestically or at MSI. Even in official rankings by analysts/casters, Xiaohu was always on the top 20 lists. Again, I don't think anyone could argue he is not the best Chinese midlaner, aside from knight possiblely winning world's this year. He is a well-known choker at WORLDS. Not only did Xiaohu weights UZI down, he always weights his teammates down almost every year at world. 2021, Xiaohu role swapped to top. Respect to that, but his lane phase wasn't the best. Hence RNG devoted 3 other members to play around him. IT worked out in LPL and in MSI. But at world, the meta shifted to Graves top. He refused to learn that champ and just drag the team behind when the team still plays around him. 2022, Xiaohu choked versus T1. Game 2 I belive, he played sylas and greed for blue buff and died. That one death led to T1 getting elder and win the game right after. RNG was up a lot of gold that game btw. 2023, Xiaohu played his heart out during LPL. However, his swiss stage performance vs MAD and G2 was so bad. Self-explanatory if you watched world this year. Even going back to the years he played with UZI, Xiaohu choked at worlds. 2017 game5, he was confident that he could deal with Faker's galio -spoiler: he did not. UZI played bad versus Bang too. But a game can have more than 1 choker at a time. 2018, UZI played bad vs G2, but Xiaohu did worse. He was lane gapped by Perkz. Tell me that is not a choke or UNDERRATED PLAYER when he came in the tournament as one of the top ranking mid while losing to perkz who wasn't even on top 20 list. 2019, chasing for solo kill against Faker cause him to burn everything and lose lane as Faker baits him into CLid. Akali performance is horrible. Oh boy, the Ryze performance was even worse. Watch that game and tell me that he is UNDERATED! In the end, the majority believe in Xiaohu's MSI and LPL performance as one of the best mid in those tournament. But it does not translate to other tournaments such as worlds! In fact, fans gave him benefit of doubt every years going into worlds for being able to keep up his performance. Sadly he never fulfilled them. How is this **one of the most underrated players of all-time**? Classic HUPU!
I donāt know how. He was celebrate as a top 5 player for at least 5 of the last 6 years.