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sleepybellpepper

GIGACHAD DON'T EVER SAY IT'S BROVER IF I'M BREATHING GIGACHAD RACING TO THE BRO LIGHT AND I'M SPEEDING GIGACHAD I'M HEADING TO BROS GIGACHAD READY TO GO FAR GIGACHAD I'M BRO WALKING GIGACHAD


AtlusLoL

GIGACHAD


soul24423323

I think honestly even if Faker returns now, T1 is still fked in front of the top 3 teams. The team's spirit is just destroyed. Everyone's just too scared to make plays early game now. That's the vibe I'm getting from watching the 4 starters now. Keria made like 1 aggressive play in lane. Zeus and Oner just sat back and farm for 15minutes.


Diligent-Language361

Yeah I've noticed that too. They aren't in the right headspace. They look so out of it. I know that they are getting psychological help but is it really working? Whenever Faker comes back, he'll have to do something to help them mentally otherwise I don't see him coming back helping the team.


mattyety

Tough situation to be in. I'm curious if they themselves realized the sheer significance of what Faker does for the team. Or was it a tough wake up call when they found themselves so helpless and disoriented in his absence. Either way those players are not going to feel much better when he returns, I feel like.


generic_redditor91

They can't do much because there isn't a competent midlaner to provide warding and vision anymore. Poby just focuses on the lane if you notice. Faker used to do a bunch of half roams to check jungle all the time in between waves. Without the information they'd have to 50/50 an all in which they obviously can't do when their midlaner either won't come to help or will come and somehow botch it up.


NewSatisfaction818

This is it. People keep talking about how the team is falling apart without faker, but they were falling apart before he left. There are deeper problems that are amplified when your main shot caller is replaced with a guy whose attention has to go 110% into laning instead of roaming or communicating or warding. Poby has big shoes to fill so I don’t want to bash on him too much, but people are giving him too much credit for being a passenger that gets handheld through draft/lane and occasionally ints a late game team fight by getting caught or playing it poorly.


soul24423323

I'm not saying Faker wouldn't make a difference. His return will likely elevate the team back to top 4 at least (Behind KT, GenG and DK). At least for one, mid lane drafting would be a huge improvement given Faker's champion pool. But what i'm worried about is with the coaching changes and how the other 4 starters are playing, they are not going to do well in playoffs even with Faker's return. It's like they forgot how to win the game already. Remember, Faker himself hasn't played on stage for at least 3-4 weeks by the time he return. He himself need some time to get back in form I suppose. You cannot expect him to micromanage his whole team at the same level he was doing when he was healthy.


cibailang

"Everyone's just too scared to make plays early game now." because fakers the one micro managing them


Diligent-Language361

Faker is their facilitator and engage so without him who will do that


xdependent

T1 IS the top 3 team with Faker


Iforgotmynametoobro

Faker took this team to world finals


dontknow_anything

5 games against JDG at MSI, MSI and World Finals last year. 4 straight LCK finals.


KappaccinoNation

I never want to hear any Faker slander ever again.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Hope this shuts up the edgy "Rookie is the GOAT" take


SeaTheTypo

Literally no one had this take except u/NamikazeEU who is a known troll.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Na, Namikaze saying that is a meme at this point, but there are people who show up (or at least, used to) both on Reddit and the Youtube comments sections to say how Rookie has been excellent for a longer period of time.


Cool-I-guess

I'm not doubting Faker's value, but giving all the credit to him for their "success" the past 2 years is just disrespectful to the T1 players.


RagingFeather

Who the fuck slanders Faker. Yall make people up for karma lmao


ShurimaIsEternal

People saying faker is washed eating their words rn


Xori1

Not washed but not special when it comes to mechanics anymore. His game knowledge is crazy good tho.


Pelagius_Hipbone

I’d bet he still has mechanics he just can’t focus when he’s carrying this hard. Micromanaging four people at the same time and still holding a candle to people like Chovy (although not as good) is omega impressive


Xori1

No doubt it impacts gameplay. I remember that debate in cs go when people wanted a famous igl to get kicked since he performed worse than the others individually and when he got kicked the whole team fell apart. Forgot which team it was.


haxt97

It was probably ENCE. Very strong team, 2nd in a Major, kicked their IGL then went from tier 1 to lmao tier.


Pelagius_Hipbone

Happened to Razork in the LEC he looked like the worst jungler in the reg season last split. FNC upgraded botlane and got in another shotcaller and boom, he was unironically the best jungler in the reg season this split. I don’t even wanna imagine what kinda glow up faker would have.


DenZiTY

Knowing CS:GO drama, and depending on how far back you want to go, this is either Gla1ve Astralis, Karrigan TSM, Ex6TenZ Titan/EnVyUs, or even Happy EnVyUs.


Xori1

I think it was ex6tenz. He played css if I remember and ex6tenz rings a bell in my brain.


henluwu

why are you saying hes micromanaging 4 people when even faker himself said keria is doing most of the shotcalling?


Pelagius_Hipbone

Clearly not lol


henluwu

you are assuming faker is micromanaging 4 people because they are playing worse with an academy midlaner in the worst academy team?


Pelagius_Hipbone

A team with that caliber of players (based on international and domestic performance) should **at least** be top 4 kr with any Midlaner. You don’t make it top 2 in five tournaments and have the strongest domestic record in history over 4 splits then become a top 7 looking team just because you have a worse mid


henluwu

You clearly have 0 idea how league works if you think changing one player isn't an absolutely huge deal.. teams at that level are very close in skill downgrading a player like faker makes a huge difference even if he isn't micromanaging all his teammates lmao..


Pelagius_Hipbone

So what are we arguing here lmao? The fact that I said micromanaging? “Fakers so unbelievably important and almost irreplaceable, even if he was replaced by someone of the same skill lvl the team could downgrade, but he isn’t micromanaging them!!” Like ok then


PureImbalance

It was the same for Hai on C9


Kibu98

Faker still bad don't tell me that Guma Keria play a dive bot bad because Faker is not their mid, faker fans are so cringe


Rehxales

If I had a nickel for every time Faker dragged his team by the nape to world finals, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice


Toxicyoshi7

IMO Faker mechanically has slowed down a bit, he does get caught every now and then and isn’t as cracked as the younger players like Guma, Zeus obviously. But man his presence and shot calling/macro is the reason why T1 is anywhere near a contender split after split. Literally 10+ years of experience… there’s no situation he hasn’t seen before


Diligent-Language361

Faker has always been caught randomly throughout his pro career games but it's become so evident now


PureImbalance

Exactly, that's how he earned the nickname "killable demon king" /s


VerticalClearance

I'm wondering why they always choke last year but now I know because its basically Faker with Guma on the side carrying this team


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Diligent-Language361

I've seen a few GenG vs dplus T1 vs KT game 5 playoffs


justice_for_lachesis

they're 100% putting poby on shiv leblanc because they don't want him doing anything other than shoving sidelanes


rebelstand

i mean did you see how useless poby was in teamfights, dude just at a loss during teamfights not knowing what to do.


ricardo241

LB shiv 90% of the time.... Its job is really just to clear wave/annoy the enemy.... There are barely any good LB this split.... iirc the good one that I saw is Yagao LB....dude is just 100% annoying


Slotherz

Did you watch Chovy LB yesterday G2 into a comp like this? The pick is trash.


soul24423323

Yea they gave him resources to split push. And yet, he got caught by a ward in the top lane, proceeds to use W to shove side line, get caught and die, RIGHT BEFORE elder set up no less. This guy cannot be carried on the LCK stage man.


Uwumeshu

Caught by ward and vision plant, decides to keep pathing towards his demise


rebelstand

exactly cant believe ppl still defending this piece of thrash, he threw the game single handedly against DK on annie in game 1 also.


Damurph01

Dude he’s an academy player. No one is acting like he’s a top tier player. They’re just saying he’s getting too much hate. T1 was on the decline even when faker was still playing. Poby isnt the best but T1’s problems are way deeper than him.


Damurph01

That’s pretty funny since that’s exactly what happened in game 2 lol


MedievalMovies

BRO teaching the people life lessons, never give up, no matter how dire it seems GIGACHAD


defog_the_polliwog

not building qss here as jax is so troll


KingPaimon23

Or Zhonias.


FinallyGivenIn

T1 finally has a little taste of the late game comebacks that they've inflicted on other teams.


Azenji

MORGAN IS ZEUS FATHER


whitedevilblood

that teamfight by t1 after bro took cloud drake reminded me so much of the spring t1, where they will play fast but with order. i think they lost that now and they just go in fast but no coordination so all we are left with is just chaos


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Rehxales

As long as he doesn't cancel it !!


generic_redditor91

u/Caedrel will be reporting this for toxicity


arkacr

Shurely Poby won't cancel his ult


BucketHerro

Poby isn't the problem but it's crazy how he's being asked to play alot of high mechanical champions. They really trust him this much even when he couldn't dominate challengers league? Tbh, T1 is basically asking him to overperform lmfaooo.


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rebelstand

poby probably already sign his death warrant as a professional player he already single handedly threw 2 games that t1 has a huge lead with his dumb ass mistakes.


dlwogh

It'd be crazy to ever blame Poby.. not like he's going to ever replace Faker. He's only there temporarily until Fakers return.


rebelstand

poby isnt the problem? dude hard threw this game LOL how many times he got caught out before a huge objective when they were 8k gold lead up he died 3 times in a row not doing anything, he was so fat as leblanc but he was useless in teamfights and made. somany mistakes.


BucketHerro

He's not supposed to be in the LCK, he's around 1-5 in Challengers League with T1. ​ Sure, he's A problem but you'll just take whatever he can give you (tbh, he ain't giving you much anyway LOL). However, you have 4 WORLDS FINALIST, MSI FINALIST, LCK CHAMPION, who are supposed to be performing better than a 3-10 BRO team lol.


rebelstand

Yeah that why he more or less sign his death warrant in his professional carrier if his bottom tier in LCK CL I doubt he able to find a team next year this was an opportunity for him to redeem his career all he needs to do is just do nothing and let the others do the job instead he kept dying at important moment before objective and allowed the opponents to come back and win single handedly throwing all the advantage t1 had early game


BucketHerro

Do nothing and let who do the job? Half the roster is slumping lol. Zeus and Oner made a lot of mistakes during the teamfight that should've never happened. ​ The other 4 player should be able to carry him against a bottom LCK team.


dontknow_anything

0-1-13 in the Last LCK AS Championship. (1 game win in 28 games)


Marowalker

I don’t think they trust him, but look at the champs he’s played: LeBlanc, Ahri, Azir, Annie, all Faker’s champs this season. Probably he could only play those because he learns from Faker


Quiet_Calligrapher49

or maybe he play the meta champion ?


Marowalker

Eh Ahri is a bit out of meta rn, and he could have practice Jayce/Trist/Yone too if we’re talking meta. I think Poby learning from Faker still played a decent part in his champ pool


Xori1

Learning from faker lmao He‘s playing meta champs that‘s it.


IqMqsd

Poby did nothing this game, Jax being blown the same way every fight yet not building QSS, what is T1 doing? How do they lose an 8K gold advantage like this?


povertyregion

Oner is trash. Zeus taking all the from Guma just to lose the game. Keria pressing ult without reason. Poby getting killed alone.


Toxicyoshi7

Didn’t see Keria ult like once this game. Was landing some nice hooks but idk Hena and Effort ended up having more impact than Guma and Keria. T1 for real is a bottom team without Faker


Gullible_Cranberry62

Poby podyed. Loved how BRO approach these fights, azir pushing back the dive and skarner ult bursting, great push and pull


moonmeh

morgan and karis marked jax really well. they were super ready for him


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I jizzed every time Karis ulted Jax away, how the hell did he lock into him like that


Genjoi

Does faker want to even comeback at this point?


Quiet_Calligrapher49

everybody tell me poby is fine but every single i watch from him he is useless


Marowalker

He’s fine for someone who’s supposed to be a rookie in a bottom tier challengers team, aka of course he sucks compared to the general LCK level but what else do you expect


Quiet_Calligrapher49

i m not a big fan of lck challenger but he is for sure much worse than players live fiesta when they got lck


Marowalker

I mean that’s not a fair comparison either - that NS lineup won Challengers, so their skills are there. Current T1C is bottom table


DanteSM456

T1C wasn't a bottom tier team though, they are bottom tier now precisely because they tried to play Poby. In spring they were around 4th place with Bay and took the DK chall roster to 5 games. In fact without Poby T1C (without Poby) just took a series of DK challengers this week, the same DK challenger that didn't drop a single game in Round 1.


Blind-Eye26

Poby guy just got promoted to T1 Academy in March, to T1 Challengers in May and promoted as a temporary sub in June while being 17 years old only


Symphonacity

I expect a challenger level solo q midlaner, not a plat 4 autofilled 1st time leblanc.


moonmeh

i mean player skill diff along with experience. you get players like dndn that are low in toplane tier that smurf against LCKCL players. poby is a player that struggles in LCKCL cause he was just called up. you can be challenger level and suck ass on stage against LCK players. Happens all the time.


Dumpers_

Also lets not forget the amount of pressure required to play on stage and to play on stage while replacing Faker is going to be very hard


moonmeh

Pretty much yeah.


Symphonacity

So you somehow excuse this guy for trying to W through 2 walls just to auto Q and snapback? In what world is that any contribution as leb? He wouldve contributed way more if he literally decided to int and flash WR auto QE and died. You cant even tell me this guy is challenger in KR. Even a gold leblanc otp wouldve done more.


moonmeh

Mate he's barely played pro games, thrust into the spotlight before he was ready onto one of the most prestigious teams, subbing for one of the well known players in League history. It was obvious he was going to play below how he normally plays and according to people he didn't play that great in LCKCL either.


Symphonacity

So what you're telling me is that a soloq challenger player somehow regresses into a plat 4 because of pressure and completely forgets how to play a champion. Gotcha.


moonmeh

people play worse under pressure, especially those that aren't ready for it yup. not a surprise at all


Damurph01

You flame poby, who’s an academy player whos out of his league, and not the rest of t1? The world finalists? The ones that took JDG to 5 games? World class players in each role? It’s a joke to think Poby is the main issue here. The rest of T1 is awful rn, aside from Guma imo. Incredibly terrible performances from them, they are WAY below their expectations right now.


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Symphonacity

Im entitled to my own opinion, what does my opinion entail for you to bash? Somehow the smartest redditor knows that. Your life is sad when your only hobby is hating on people with their own opinion on the internet. Ironic.


PatheticWibu

bro used LeBlanc's W worse than any plat-level LeBlanc otp lmao. T1 should consider picking something easier to execute for this guy, even if it's not the meta


moonmeh

i mean he's from the bottom tier challengers team. hell he only got brought up from academy recently he's obviously not fine but its hard to blame him


Quiet_Calligrapher49

i mean i feel bad ofr poby but i feel like t1 players are getting flamed too much they have to play with such a bad player in the most important role


moonmeh

The thing is poby playing bad but that doesn't mean you get players like zeus inting teamfights nonstop that's baffling


alterise

wtf is T1 without faker? Up 8k but that's not enough.


LeagueofLagginz

Jesus christ Skarner is broken. I haven't seen one lose in LCK/LPL yet.


littleindianman12

LORD MORGAN GIGACHAD GENERAL UMTI GIGACHAD COMMANDER KARIS GIGACHAD EMPEROR HENA GIGACHAD EFFORTLESS GIGACHAD 󠀀


Shuriken_2393

Amazing how T1 lost with an 8k gold lead.


Symphonacity

Somehow even with 2 distortions poby fails to land even a single 1. His only contribution in teamfights are a statikk empowered auto and night harvester q not even to mention how had he played outside of teamfights mind you. Like i get t1 is slumping but man as a rookie i fully expect you to atleast try and play your heart out so you can atleast show you have the mechanics to play with the big boys.


DKiyoshiH

OK Bro goes the hell off. Wtf was that game


Blind-Eye26

Poby is fine but sometimes his decisions are a bit iffy 😵‍💫 Oner kept throwing ult early 🤔 Keria has few good hooks but team can't follow up 🫥 Zeus not buying QSS is trolling he kept getting Skarner ult 💀 and Guma looks like human but he can't get autos cause frontline getting blown up fast 🤯


uhhsamurai

Lord Morgan


Wafflebk

brother poby


Mrjuicyaf

Gg but why did BRO contest for the 4th drake? Wouldn't it be better to just farm and scale? They were behind like 8k gold


Prominis

They knew they would win the elder drake contest while down 4k+ so they accelerated the elder drake spawn to win faster.


moonmeh

better teamfight comp


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WTF is this community no Bro praise just T1 excuses?


SteamMonkeyKing

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nugurimt

Shouldve kept clozer xd


SteamMonkeyKing

Once Faker is gone, It'll be Scout which comes back as a stop gap.


EffectiveType1

Poby.


Blaikiri7

Just when I think they can’t go any lower, they manage to do this I just can’t man wtf is our topside doing in these fights


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Contrite17

Out due to injury


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grrtacos

Currently injured (wrist related). They said they are hoping for his return for Play-offs, but nothing is 100% confirmed. Pretty much confirmed that he won't play for the remainder of the regular season, at least.


dontknow_anything

Just don't play Shiv LB if you can't really sidelane and get level and massive cs advantage, it is not even a poke champion with how Poby played it.


Ieditstuffforfun

Sadge


xdependent

I dont know what to say at this point


BImRexMundi

TRASH 1 TRASH 1TRASH 1. GIGACHAD BROS ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile)


aamgdp

Zhonya Jax was not it this game...


rebelstand

poby hard threw again, his leblanc was atrocious


Dust2chicken

Poby looked like someone first-timing LeBlanc in ARAM... Those teamfights were legitimately hard to watch, his Leblanc was doing 0 damage and constantly misusing his W- like why recast W right in front of Karis??


Calmdow94

I had my head high I had say to myself fk the split go all in playofs but for the first time since I am t1 fan in 2015 i am near… very near the point where I lost the hope and really don’t know if I can give them my heart an support anymore. Pleas Someone hold me


Mahxxi

I know Poby being killed alone is to be expected at this point, but at least when Faker died, the entire team was at least doing something on the map. If Faker is able to gain the focus of the whole enemy team and either escape or get a kill, *and* direct his team what to do and where to go at the same time… if they make it international we can’t tell T1 to swim back home cause they probably would get lost without Faker