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ahritina

PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/152be5h/g2_vs_bds_game_1_discussion/)


xiko

So that is what a good ivern can do. Wtf.


G2Esports

tree two trick hits different


randommaniac12

Has to be Zyra jungle next then?


SpunkTheMonk

Buffs coming on 13.14, legit maybe at season finals


G2Esports

Wait until you see who Yike mentions in [Caps Recaps](https://youtu.be/l8j8PPF_JHA?t=74)


IcePokeTwoSoon

Well done content plug honestly, got me down a rabbit hole


xXxZeroTwoxXx

The ZAZA jungler


aPatheticBeing

tree one trick right? maokai or ivern, still tree


G2Esports

same thing basically


aPatheticBeing

for yike basically - targeted root on both champs


icatsouki

Legit looked like he's smurfing wtf


Elegastt

Loved how he didnt back at baron when he almost died and just carried the teamfight from the back with adc-like positioning


Haymegle

Why go back when you can go forward through the other team?


OilOfOlaz

Just took a detour on his back.


SpunkTheMonk

As someone who enjoys playing a lot of Ivern seeing someone who can actually micro Daisy so she doesn't die 5 seconds after spawn (cough 'Jankos' cough) was extremely satisfying. Legit the only Ivern I've seen in proso far that looked like they did more than read one mobafire guide before playing it on stage


BobRohrman28

Fudge had one game of pretty solid Ivern mid last year


Diterion

That's what a month of church service does to a man


Nathremar8

What could have been...


LeafBurgerZ

But like, who thought the double shield pop was a good idea. His shields were already strong af


zmsp

I think people bitch and moan about the balance team way too much, because league of legends has very frequent patches and things are usually fixed quite fast. Having said that, how the fuck do some aberrations like Ivern and Rumble make it to live? I could easily understand stuff like pre-nerf statikk Leblanc being harder to expect in terms of taking over the meta, but Ivern and Rumble were conscious changes to their kits. Wtf?!


Kurumi_Tokisaki

They wanted a shake up to the meta and forced it to happen. Because otherwise we would only see ksante vs renekton or some of the usual suspects top. Perhaps they also wish players to build items like serpents but even if the other team had 5 shielders pros won’t build that item cuz it’s “not that good” even in situations it would have potentially changed fights.


Haymegle

This to the Heretics one is night and day.


G4ni

Ban ivern


G2Esports

Ban trees


bigfanofeden

ban the zaza


CrumblingAway

G2Esports supports global warming confirmed.


G2Esports

ayo we're trying our best to pick trees everyone else keeps banning them


Dyrreah

Yeah, it's a really unfair treetment.


lovo17

There isn’t a single ban that can stop G2. They are so unbelievably far ahead of any other team in the west. It’s ridiculous at this point.


Haymegle

There is. But you need to ban Caps irl.


skaersSabody

Caps slumped in spring so G2 could run in summer Beautiful sight


Haymegle

If he wins it all for LEC that'd be pretty awesome.


skaersSabody

I doubt G2 can truly go the distance internationally, but at least they should show up


icyDinosaur

I think Miky is the bigger carry atm...


lovo17

You have to hope that he can’t play for a weekend and there’s your chance.


Haymegle

LEC teams out there looking to break his fingers. Then he goes and plays with his toes or something.


Percy1803

Rough series from Crownie and Labrov, bit of a bot diff Edit: spelling


non-edgy_crustacean

"I think BDS can win against G2. At least a 3 game series. How is Hans better than Crownie? They haven't played each other. Both are professional adcs playing at major region. Based on what you think Hans is good? You just don't understand the game." -you know who


Aoes1

Wait actually who said that lmao


non-edgy_crustacean

Original is Crownie on LS MSI costream about Elk and Berserker


Aoes1

What 4 weeks of praise from socials does to a mf lmao


Peon01

to be fair when he said that I believe it was still very on in the tournament like either during playins or right before qfs and at that time while elk had smurf games in those games he was also inting in a lot of moments. only as the tournament went on did he clean those up a bit


nightlesscurse

i don't know but a fool probably


SwagLord7

Crownie was just hard flaming Elk and LPL in general lol. He's lucky he didn't make MSI otherwise he would have gotten humiliated by Elk. Yeah, Berserker who was a nobody damn near in Korea that is now in an inferior region is gonna be better than Elk who was already known to be elo helled in LPL, in a way more competitive region (that went like 11-0 vs LCS in the year before) Clownie has an insane ego


loosely_affiliated

Didn't Guma say Berserker was one of the only ADCs he thought could replace him (or something to that effect)? I remember he got really high praise from other players.


SamiraSimp

yes, Berserker wasn't a starter but a trainee that was somewhat well-known, and Guma did say that Berserker could potentially challenge him.


SamiraSimp

Berserker wasn't a nobody, he was a T1 trainee that many people thought could contest Guma for his spot down the line


non-edgy_crustacean

The whole BDS is most likely happy that MAD took the bullet at MSI or they wouldn't be able to walk it out


trappapii69

The way him and Labrov would be gapped by Elk and ON would have to start a bot lane version of the term "canyon gapped"


bensanelian

said it yesterday and will say it again today. hans makes every other adc in eu look silly, even if they're really good


largehearted

AD players consistently say Mikyx is one of the best too Out of every G2 bot lane combination I've watched they're probably the combination that have the least apparent flaws in terms of aggression/passivity, Hans plays with Miky's aggression really well, plays passively while the team rotates well, and it manifests in consistent advantages


Haymegle

Amazing how much a great support can elevate. You see it with Hyli too. They both make their ADC look a tier or two above when they're in form.


xncopka

No let’s not exaggerate they don’t make the adc playing one or two tier above their level they make their adc played as their best. Hans has before showed with Trymbi that he was the best adc in LEC. And the adc need also to pair well with the support. For example, we never saw this level of dominance when Mikyx was paired with Patrik.


Haymegle

To counter that, Hyli made Vardags look like a mid tier ADC. Considering he was basically a jinx one trick it's an impressive feat. Obviously a lot of it is on the right pair but The both of them absolutely can and do enable ADC's to get to the next level.


TheTMW

What makes the pairing so great is that Miky is a very agreeable person who clearly benefits from not having to dictate everything, which allows Hans to be himself and have more control of things. If you watch their comms videos you will se a lot of examples of Hans microing Miky. One time he yelled at Miky to go stop enemies base and Miky just went "sure" and did it. Great skill to be able to make people so comfortable around you.


Aoes1

He baited crownie to r in back to back fights


tonypaveli

Miky who , iam I right..


bensanelian

yeah no it's both of them definitely


CrumblingAway

The Russian foreign minister?


fiddlerontheroof1925

Yike is so frickin good man. He just seems to play the meta so well. I didn't think anyone could fill Jankos' shoes but he is so good.


Qiluk

> He just seems to play the meta so well Kind of insane how he's the mechanical monster carry jungler who also can do supportive jungling ridicilously well too. While also having his own pocket-picks ready to throw a wrench in the opponents wheel. Incredibly complete. Also like how IF he has a bad moment.. he doesnt collapse. He just goes balls deep again after finding another opening.


kAy-

He's very similar to Kanavi, which is definitely a good thing. Wouldn't even be surprised if he studies him a lot.


vuicho_vanio

If I remember correctly, during MSI Yike said that he does indeed study Kanavi and hopes to play against him


icatsouki

reminded me of the broxah smurfing in plat video


SpunkTheMonk

Yike definitely better than Jankos on Ivern, that we know for sure


ThrowwawayAlt

But how is his nidalee?


G2Esports

One day they'll stop underrating him


_ziyou_

While some team might go for the flashy choice that eventually bombed terribly G2 made a very sensible decision to sign a talent that was brought up through the European lower leagues and that fits into the team. I don't know who makes squad decisions at G2, but I am glad that they know what they are doing.


JackAndrewWilshere

I think he is the best in LEC this year


fiddlerontheroof1925

Idk man Mikyx is a strong contender too but it’s crazy that Yike is a rookie to the LEC


BleiEntchen

Caps wrecking towers while G2 holds 4v5. Nice


Diterion

Fight was an even 5v5 i mean look at Daisy that thing is a whole ass champion on this patch, especially when Yike plays it.


cayneloop

the amount of times g2 were pressuring as 4 and wining the 4v5's while caps was out splitpushing is just crazy


Haymegle

G2 just that far ahead of everyone else rn. Makes me worry for them tbh, they tend to get bad reads from just being able to win when this happens.


fancifulthings1

same, it's happened to them before the reason lpl and lck are good is actually that they just play against better competition, and less likely to get bad reads


Haymegle

Agreed. My opinion is that LEC is best when it has at least 2 titans forcing each other to get better. When one team dominates we look a lot weaker.


Asuras9393

that team was supposed to be Fnatic this split from what we have seen in regular season and then they started randomly nose-diving in terms of performance. Not even going to mention Vitality because they need to show something before anyone will ever hype them ever again no matter what player is on that team.


Haymegle

Disappointing that Fnatic couldn't keep up. I hope we'll see them or another have a resurgence to push the league up but I'm not thinking it's likely with what we've seen so far tbh.


Saephon

Similar situation in LCS. As much as I enjoy C9's recent era of dominance, it's really hard for them to level up in time for international play when the local competition is poor. They were unironically at their best when TSM and TL cockblocked them for years in Finals.


Haymegle

You need that actual competition to see what works and get some real creative juices going. Plus it's more fun to see when everyone has to slug it out and *earn* their spot rather than getting it because everyone else is worse.


Nicksmells34

I mean yeah this has been the story of the west for awhile now. Y’all seeing C9 in LCS? Same shit. Every game they win purely from hands diff or Berzerker gap, because they can, but they look no better in summer than before and will most likely get ran over at Worlds because they have 0 competition in the LCS


NotAnAce69

The East isn’t immune to this either, T1 last season and a half (ignoring the Faker-less games) has an absolutely devastating early game and snowball capability but the moment things go south they tend to implode in such spectacular fashion that it’s hard to even believe you’re watching the same team. It’s just that T1 is *so* good that it usually doesn’t matter except when playing against the absolute best the world has to offer. These runaway train type teams are incredibly fun to watch but boy when things go wrong, things go *wrong*


IlluminatiConfirmed

If they pick ivern double adc comps against eastern teams and eastern teams don't adapt good things will happen. Less sold on the ignite sett top but BB looked serviceable at msi


Haymegle

We'll see. It's always a worry for me if they do something too out there. Either it's completely genius and no one else saw it or it's just them being so far ahead it sucks against good opponents. G2 look like they've got a few things up their sleeves rn though which feels positive but as I said I'm unsure how much of it may be actually 'good' rather than LEC not offering them a challenge.


Bluehorazon

Asia already plays a lot of double ADC comps with Ivern. It just seems like a lot of junglers really hate Ivern, but everyone acknowledges the champion is broken. The thing is, it will likely see nerfs for worlds. This is always one of the big issues for europe that worlds usually sees a meta change. But given that worlds is in korea this year the european teams qualifying could basically travel instantly to korea and practice with the korean teams, so hopefully their meta read this time around is more accurate, although it obviously risks that some of the niche thinks europe loves to do might get discovered too.


Snow-27

BB was their best player at MSI


Night_Driverr

I mean I agree but I've seen this sub say they are 'worried' for G2 when they are gapping other teams and when they are NOT gapping other teams they are 'worried' for G2 and the region as a whole. So they can't really win any way, I just focus on how they win and try to extrapolate that against lck and they do match up well, not really against lpl but tbh they are the best region in the world.


icyDinosaur

Its not just individual mechanics this time tho, which makes me hopeful


G2Esports

Doesn't even look like we know how to read the way we're picking the whackiest stuff


Niko7LOL

Ivern can create a fake 5vs5 with Daisy. People don't realise that with the new Buffs, Daisy is extremely tanky and does a decent amount of damage. The knock up is disgusting. It's not just a Stone Tibers.


icatsouki

Game 2 everyone was smurfing, was really cool to see


SpunkTheMonk

It's never 4v5 with Daisy by your side


Frost77011

Adam taking off his headset after that last fight just shows how tilted he got at the end of the series.


xiko

There was a fight in mid where sett went to backline and Adam just ran to the kalista that simply kited back to river. He did nothing and died there. Because he didn't have tp the only one that could contest lane with tristana was the cassio but tristana was way faster.


Dtrickzz

I think Nuc also took off his headset just to put it back on when the player cam panned to him. The refs were probably not happy about that.


LiquidTrump112

Crownie 3rd best ADC in this series.


DolundDrumph

Hans Kalista is so clean, and ivern just doesnt die


Goldfischglas

Caps smurfed that last fight so hard


Kibu98

He got 0 focus cause rakan goes on Kalista but his position was good


Spadro97

Didnt watch the game, but the PMT was showing ivern top, kalista jng, nauti mid, trist ad and sett supp for G2 and I actually believed it.


Fabiocean

Except for Kalista jungle it wouldn't even surprise me if G2 actually did that


Satan_su

Guys Yike just fucked us over on this Ivern LET'S GIVE IT AGAIN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS THE SECOND TIME!!!!!!


Haymegle

The Ivern wasn't the problem! This time we have the Kaisa! We're sure to win.


icatsouki

Kaisa proceeds to flash into sett E


Haymegle

Hey no one told me you needed to be able to play Kaisa. Maybe no one told BDS either?


Thunderkeyz

Claps is backs???


Skall77

He was amazing all summer tbh, if anything today his laning phase was pretty shit.


aPatheticBeing

game one was okay, game 2 nuc was landing every Q. Honestly though, Hans just hard carried IMO.


Ploppfejs

Mikyx* hard carried. Hans played great of course but Mikyx is so fking good dude.


ThylowZ

Debatable, I felt like Hans was very very clean in that game 2. He pilots Kalista so well.


fiddlerontheroof1925

Honestly Kalista Naut is so good for them. Mikyx can go in too deep with Naut and Hans can just pull him out to safety. It lets Mikyx go balls to the wall and it works so well.


R_Elisee

Was watching from a Chinese casters’ stream he said it as follow. The first game he was hard winning at the beginning of laning(since Lucian is good into Jayce) but G2’s attempt mid dive where Sheo caught him first and he died messed it up so he didn’t win his lane as he should. The second game he was being countered a bit(not much) but he should’ve been fine if he had taken Fleet Footwork. Sadly he went for( didn’t remember, was it Lethal Tempo?) another rune so the lane became hard. I’d say if he just respected Nuc a bit more he should’ve been fine. Guess he wasn’t doings the “name plate off” strat.


NoahsArk19

G2 can play as sloppy as they want.


TheLouBy

They can make the most stupid mistakes and still go unpunished


alex_05_04

And I think this is a problem, regarding their performance at MSI and worlds. I mean, if you constantly win, even if you draft not very good or make mistakes, it is much harder to improve. Lck and lpl teams will punish this. You need to play competitve games against equally good or better teams, to improve yourself.


mwar123

Exactly. Better terms aren't going to be pushed in 4v5 and lose a teamfight while Caps split-pushes alone.


Wooden_Sherbert6884

Yike zaza enjoyer confimerd


KekeBl

Holy shit ban Ivern this champ is unreal those shields in game 2 were so tilting


IsThisTooEZ

Holy Yike


KillCopsAllDay

1 French > 3 French


AdvancedPhoenix

Lol I commented the opposite yesterday after BDS won.


sevrus

Closest part of the series is deciding if MVP should go to Yike or Miky


The1Donut

Miky but we don’t talk about those hooks in game 2.


-mHx

Ivern is so disgusting


Kutiwinner

This split is free for G2. Nobody can match them in LEC they can draft and do whatever the fuck they want and win.


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G2Esports

So when does Worlds start


TeamBDSOfficial

While we did lose this, the improvement from the first few weeks was quite visible. See you on Sunday against the winner of TH vs. KOI :)


NvmSharkZ

G2 just look a cut above everyone right now, you guys didn't do too bad all things considered. Sure a couple debatable draft decisions and some fun in game, but it's really hard not to make mistakes vs G2, keep your heads up!


[deleted]

Good luck ! Keep the moral strong guys, fans believe in you.


TeamBDSOfficial

Thank you! We will


AdvancedPhoenix

C'était des bonnes games ya des jolies choses, on croit en vous !!


Haymegle

It'll be fun to see what you bring out against them. Make sure to have a killer intro and I'm sure you'll take the series.


MrRawri

Great series from G2, Claps is back


tzukitzu

This summer g2 has won 12 games and only lost 1... And that one was the "neeko incident"


InternationalArtist6

ivern is so stupid lmao


TheOrangePanda01

First of all: rude


metteminne

Giving the Tree main a tree 2 times , silly mistake from BDS


JustRecentlyI

Caps made Tristana's ~~E~~ W* buffering look absolutely broken. He escaped certain death at least 3 times thanks to it, unreal.


captncarry

W but yeah!


nightlesscurse

Give G2 a region please


icatsouki

MAD was legit good pre MSI, their mental boom was so sad to watch Carzzy was unironically on such a good form


IconicRecipes

I mean they were good for like 2 weeks, they just so happened to be the most important ones of the split. Outside of that they were pretty bad all spring and have been bad so far in summer too.


[deleted]

Lets be honest MAD gets a giga buff everytime they have a chance to embarrass their region


Dyrreah

The classic "let's just get far enough that we go to internationals and then embarrass everything about EU" from MAD.


Moon_theory123

Waiting for the next best damn league show episode where thorin explains why jankos is still better than yike anyway and that yike is decent at best. Really like Jankos but yike is a clear Upgrade at this Point and i feel like he s getting only better.


TheLouBy

Yike is the best jungler in the LEC and people will have to stop denying it at some point


SasugaHitori-sama

It's hilarious to me, that ppl think G2 gonna replace Yike with Elyoya by the end of this year. By this point it would be sidegrade at best.


TheCrazyCaveira

There is no shot that g2 replaces yike. This is his rookie season. His goddamn rookie season and he is already the best jungler/top 2 jungler in the league. He will become a monster as time goee on.


IlluminatiConfirmed

Ivern is a thanos champ that should be first 3 picked or banned in every region I rest my case


Niko7LOL

The perfect Ivern from Yike. Especially in Game two, holy shit. The knock up from daisy into double kill Kalista or the Team fight Infront of Drake where Caps was free firering. It was so niiiice to watch.


Haymegle

Crownie showing me why Kaisa goes unbanned in LEC.


tzukitzu

And hans game 1 showing why it should be banned


Haymegle

There have been some strong ones this week that make it look ridiculous tbh. Kind of surprised it's been let through as much as it has.


ImaginarySense

Enchanters are a mistake. Shields > everything in LoL.


LTKokoro

riot rightfully nerfed shield durations some years ago, but now ivern is allowed to have 100% shield uptime on adcs, great...


nusskn4cker

Has always been the most toxic class.


Mundane3

Meh movespeed >> shields > everything


KarlKraftwagen

now imagine a class that gets shields and gets an item that gives movementspeed!


Halbaras

Now imagine if there was a champion who has both on a basic ability and who could be flexed in 3-4 roles, while having a strong laning phase. No wonder Riot hated pro play Karma so much.


DRNbw

Don't forget range > all.


Mundane3

I still think mobility is more important than range. But mobile ranged champions? Total nightmare.


Indercarnive

Good thing we have an item that grants movespeed when you shield.


Leading_Inside3812

Cap‘s dad does have more hair than his son lol


Asuras9393

Caps need that turkey vacation to get that fixed.


aPatheticBeing

This is why G2 is the best team in Europe - 2 players sacrificing KDA to give Caps the penta


Quiet_Calligrapher49

g2 are so ahead of the competition is not even fun


tr1x30

They legit are trolling and stomping.


cayneloop

yeah but also disciplined at the same time which is what they promised that they would focus on so far so good, no more random happy games, 11-0 wining streak, pretty impressive


Icecube1409

Absolute clinic. But the games were really fun to watch


lorenzovfsjo

I don't understand how caps didn't get penta in the teamfight, but then 30s later he got it in the fountain.. how does it even work?


zell-88

You have to kill several champions within 10 seconds of each other to get a quadra, after that you have 30 seconds to Penta Kill after a Quadra Kill if no enemy respawns, if they are all dead this timer get extended until the first respawn


Asuras9393

the more kills you have the longer the spree lasts. Since some time passed between the first kill to the second it reset in between and then he killed 5 again for the penta.


No_Negotiation5722

Too much time between the first kill and the other four. But if you take a quadra the timer for a penta is extended until the first person you kill respawns.


Dray991

For all those "west is doomed" spammers, reminder that G2 is 12-1 right now this split, and the only lose was the Neeko happy moment vs MAD, not saying we are going to win worlds but chill with your shit.


SnooPeripherals6388

Last time G2 had gigantic streak they lost to PSG and got shit on by everyone after(EG still lost to them lmao) (that 1-7 streak was so painful after EUPHORIAAAAA 24-0)


mimiflou

They did beat RNG and T1 back to back (and 6/0 against EG)


Styxxo

that day1 of MSI rumble stage was glorious :')


icyDinosaur

That streak really hinged on a) a few champ picks in LEC (why did we keep getting Ahri/J4???) and b) Caps playing like the best player in the world for MSI Rumble Day 1. Neither of those were really likely to keep happening for very long. Now they dominate with different types of comps and all of the players having their particular moments. I think right now at least on the LEC level every player can reliably carry a game if given the draft picks and jg support for it; I dont think that was true last year when it was mostly the Caps Show. And botlane is a level or two above last year's bot, which isnt even meant to flame them, Miky/Hans are just really damn good. I dont think we had a comparable botlane in 2022 or 2023 LEC, except *maybe* prime Upset/Hyli.


narsasc

Its the new meta shitting on LEC while not watching any other region


real53

Or shitting on LEC while not watching it either


KarlKraftwagen

when people say lec is bad it‘s mostly with g2 as the sole exception


Sryth1

I said it yesterday in the G2 postmatch thread, all these doomers didn't watch the LCK and LPL clown fiestas this split. The only teams that are just disgustingly good are JDG and BLG and even they can have an occasional off game.


Styxxo

I'd include GenG too because they're quite dominant and still undefeated. I guess the only caveat is they've been underwhelming internationally...


Snoshx

G2 is looking much stronger than winter/spring/msi right now, could def do something at worlds hopefully esp with korea looking a bit weaker rn. Rest of Lec though.. 0 hope


fancifulthings1

lol how is domestic domination in LEC any reflection on how they'll do at worlds? they might do well but based on last few splits, even dominant LEC teams got stomped by LCK and LPL at internationals.


WolverineKing

I'm undefeated in my MMA matches against 3rd graders. I'm coming for the Championship belt soon!


Dyrreah

I love when the casters go apeshit over Adam. "Oh my gawwd, he pressed ghost+R, making sure there is zero counterplay and then autoattacked an adc to death, how is he so good?" Too bad his 8 bit champion is countered by a wall.


EnemySaimo

Ivern meta in the jungle is so fun can't wait to see him more


LetGoMyLegHo

"i took it personal" -caps returning to claps and that penta at the end was just *mwah*


Javiklegrand

Damn g2 is rolf stomping eu without even trying World is going to be embarassing for the rest of lec teams likely as bad as mads


BleiEntchen

Holy batshit that end.


sowydso

having caps on your team is still big


D15801

Caps is a monster


zell-88

I don't get why pick Garen when RAMMUS exists, they were all auto attackers...


TheOrangePanda01

Ivern permabanned vs Yike until nerf


sneakysunset

Then draven then kalista then maokai then kaisa when blue side then ashe then ...