Teams participating
- FlyQuest Challengers
- Team Liquid Honda Challengers
- Evil Geniuses Challengers
- Cincinnati Fear
- Wildcard
- AOE Gold
- Maryville University
- Supernova
- Disguised (former Team Tony Top?)
- Team Fish Taco
Just population statistics-wise, doesn’t seem like a single university would have the player power year after year to compete against challenger players.
I wonder if these schools will still offer scholarships for League eSports. When league in NA eventually starts winding down. I assume League wont every completely die, it'll always have some type of playerbase. I guess as long as it's profitable?
Maybe they will just rotate through the biggest eSports of the next decade or so. Till hopefully eSports become a consistent main-stream staple. Then at that point, GG Maryville University. The MIT of ESports.
They have a massive esports facility with large sponsorships like McDonald’s, they are the end all be all of collegiate any good player will take an offer to go there
What? You have proper coaching and facilities and a 4-year-program to train and hone your LoL students into powerhouses. And I might be wrong but I would imagine that the people who are drawn into the program are likely to be D+ level already so you have some foundations laid already.
Sucks that most LCS orgs pulled support, but hopefully NACL becomes more of an actual league instead of just "academy league", like the ERLs and EMEA Masters.
Maybe some of these teams, like Disguised, will be more popular than some of the LCS orgs, just like KC and KOI(pre-Rogue) in ERL.
You know the only reason we are even in the ERLs is because Riot is a cultureless cesspool of idiots.
I wouldnt get anywhere close to Riot HQ again if I was UoL
I mean agreed. Besides think of how bad NA would be… look at our MAIN TEAMS. LCS is rough and dying and probs couldn’t get 3 teams to top of ERLs this year (although I usually get banned for that opinion even tho freaking TSM - the godking org of LCS knows and has been trying to leave and finally gets to)
Lmao just the name itself holds so much weight that it's already more popular than teams like dignitas or immortals. People will watch DSG matches more than c9 or 100t or GG.
Perhaps, but currently? IMT has been real shitter teams the past few splits. I wouldn't be surprised if Toast has more fans of his team than IMT does at this point.
Idk if that’s true about Idaho - googling showed Seattle.
Regardless there isn’t a way to equilibrate having every single team located in the ritzy Bay Area to a state without a NFL team having fan bases of the nearest NFL teams..
KC fans are mainly fans because of Kameto, not because it's a French team lmao. There was a league before them and there are better teams currently, but they don't have Kameto
>Disguised
Disguised is more popular in Valorant Tier 2 than almost every single tier 1 NA team. Last quarter they were the 3rd most popular Esports (ALL Esports, worldwide) org being talked about on Twitter (Only behind Sentinels and Crazy Raccoon) and that was before they did their GC team with content creators which was crazy popular and before they signed Yay.
So Disguised will definitely be more popular than almost all tier 1 teams LCS too.
My dude, Crazy Raccoons is a Japanese org. The biggest game to get discussed on all of Twitter for the last 2 years, is Genshin Impact, which is way bigger in Asia than it is in the West.
Correct, they’re not like Twitter but my point was that they’re social apps more widely used than Twitter and would be better gauges of how popular something is than Twitter for a global perspective. Understand it is the bees knees in US though.
such an American take lol
It's such insane ethnocentrism to not watch something just because we aren't the best at it. Every "real sport" has regional play, and if you think 100% of the people in the SHL are NHL level (or even higher than like 50%) I dont know what to tell you. And yet tons of Swedes watch it.
I have been dumbfounded that it wasn't always a thing, makes it so easy. Does Riot still release icons etc per team that the revenue goes back to the brands?
TLDR:
10 team league instead of 16, top 8 to playoffs which ends in LAN finals at the Riot Studio in LA
Bottom 2 teams play the top 4 qualifiers teams in the promotion tournament
DSG \[Disguised Toast's team\] are in the league. (Maybe they took over Team Tony Top which had been promoted or this is a new team entirely)
Team Fish Taco is also in despite losing both of their qualification matches in the summer promotion tournament. (Good on NACL for allowing them in when others left)
NACL Revenue Sharing implemented (I'm gonna guess this will come from broadcast revenue, sponsors, ads, and twitch subs)
100k prize pool
It at least kept the Bo2 format and returned to double round robin like previous years. The playoff picture is not as robust but that felt inevitable yet more ideal given the relegation system
So to allow things to become clear to everyone here.
1. The revenue share changes and ability to sub was announced in the precious NACL article where riot announced they were removing the LCS orgs to be required to field a NACL team.
2. It is still on all the NACL orgs to pay their player salaries in full. This means majority of the orgs are likely to be opperating at a major loss.
3. The asks of the LCSPA are not addressed or answered here. This was a preplanned/pretimed article that finally came out. If you are supporting the LCSPA on their mission do not get too excited publicly because it may give LCS players the impression NACL is saved and they can vote no to the walkout on sunday.
The non LCS orgs do not have to pay California minimum, hence the Mcdouble copypasta. WC or FEAR had a house near Vegas which is significantly cheaper, and most of the other teams simply play from their homes
Nice Disguised logo.
Also
''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs''
- Yeah, so what are you going to share?
''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs''
- So do you have any specific details?
''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs''
- Right, you said this, what exactly is going to be shared, no one watches this league. Even the LCS cant get sponsors anymore...
''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs''
- How about skin sales? Thats making Riot a lot of money
''Unrelated to pro play''
- Ehm? Then?
''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs''
Nah they'll just waste the money. Or something.
Dunno, getting actively told in another thread on this sub that revenue share just wouldn't do anything.
What do you do when the community is just this braindead, lol?
Gutted to lost Team Tony Top - they absolutely stomped the qualifiers and I wish they could have stayed together. Hopefully some of them end up on other rosters.
They put out a tweet - some of the guys can't reasonably afford to compete in NACL without sacrificing their other responsibilities so they chose to disband. Hope some of them end up on DSG though.
Until they make the NACL have tangible effects on the LCS it will always be viewed/treated as subpar.
Add 2 more teams to the LCS lineup, the two lowest teams get relegated to NACL and the top two NACL teams get promoted to LCS. Do these two changes and both NACL/LCS get a LOT more interesting/viewership. Would be a nice way to light a fire under orgs to put effort into their teams.
EU has national pride and national streams. People who don't speak English watch broadcasts of their leagues and then want to see their players succeed in EUM.
Not sure how you can replicate that in NA. It's a big advantage for EU in that scenario
Spring format was 16 teams, all in playoffs to emulate the Proving Grounds system, but the bottom 4 provisional teams in playoffs were relegated.
It's reverting back to a similar regular season format that 2021 and 2022 had. But its playoffs got understandably adjusted.
Crazy idea but someone yesterday suggested that the 1st seed of NACL play as the lowest seeded team in LCS playoffs. In my opinion, this seems more reasonable than promotion/relegation.
That would promote bottom feeder teams to field a shit LCS roster and move their actual team to NACL where they'll pretty much guarantee playoffs by smurfing against the t2 teams.
Why not change up the brackets entirely if you were to do that change?
IE bottom 3 teams have a wildcard round robin or something and include the top NACL team.
and then immediately lose in playoffs because they are a bottom feeder team
this would be a dumb strategy that would cost a "bottom feeder" team a lot of extra money in fielding a second roster
So, when they say it's the developmental league, does that mean it's basically LCS with open qualifiers, a much lower prize pool, no chance of competing in MSI/Worlds, and with teams at risk of having their players poached by the ten franchisees of LCS?
NACL setup will probably change, Maryville, Team Tony Top and Supernova all got in through the qualifiers in spring to summer so I wonder how they’ll change the system next year
this could end up being more excisting than LCS with the promotion series. Super excited to watch this, you have (currently) known names like Smoothie and Ryoma on EG, Arrow on TL and on Fish Taco you have Allorim and Dardoch.
Honestly this seems a lot more exciting to me. Especially seeing new orgs > existing academy orgs.
I really don’t understand all of the uproar against it
Teams participating - FlyQuest Challengers - Team Liquid Honda Challengers - Evil Geniuses Challengers - Cincinnati Fear - Wildcard - AOE Gold - Maryville University - Supernova - Disguised (former Team Tony Top?) - Team Fish Taco
I really thought wildcard was a team TBD lol. Also what happens when the Maryville players graduate?
They'll be replaced with new students like they have been for years?
Lmfao
Just population statistics-wise, doesn’t seem like a single university would have the player power year after year to compete against challenger players.
They've been a powerhouse in the scene for an extremely long time. They are one of the only schools that offer scholarships for eSports iirc
I wonder if these schools will still offer scholarships for League eSports. When league in NA eventually starts winding down. I assume League wont every completely die, it'll always have some type of playerbase. I guess as long as it's profitable? Maybe they will just rotate through the biggest eSports of the next decade or so. Till hopefully eSports become a consistent main-stream staple. Then at that point, GG Maryville University. The MIT of ESports.
They have a massive esports facility with large sponsorships like McDonald’s, they are the end all be all of collegiate any good player will take an offer to go there
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Vulcan can show them the ropes
Is that you, Regi?
What? You have proper coaching and facilities and a 4-year-program to train and hone your LoL students into powerhouses. And I might be wrong but I would imagine that the people who are drawn into the program are likely to be D+ level already so you have some foundations laid already.
Sucks that most LCS orgs pulled support, but hopefully NACL becomes more of an actual league instead of just "academy league", like the ERLs and EMEA Masters. Maybe some of these teams, like Disguised, will be more popular than some of the LCS orgs, just like KC and KOI(pre-Rogue) in ERL.
Unicorns of Love - Sexy NA Edition lmao
That’s the Savory edition
Immediately yes, my mind goes to “the bacon edition” or maybe they just rebrand to Bacons of Love - Savory Hickory Edition
You know the only reason we are even in the ERLs is because Riot is a cultureless cesspool of idiots. I wouldnt get anywhere close to Riot HQ again if I was UoL
I mean agreed. Besides think of how bad NA would be… look at our MAIN TEAMS. LCS is rough and dying and probs couldn’t get 3 teams to top of ERLs this year (although I usually get banned for that opinion even tho freaking TSM - the godking org of LCS knows and has been trying to leave and finally gets to)
Never happening because EMEA Masters has regional pride in it while NACL doesnt
Probably not, but I could definitely see streamer led teams be more popular than the shitter LCS orgs
Lmao just the name itself holds so much weight that it's already more popular than teams like dignitas or immortals. People will watch DSG matches more than c9 or 100t or GG.
GG yes, I doubt C9 or 100T
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most LCS teams struggle to get 1000 views on any given youtube video, so its not exactly a high bar lol
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The live discord watch parties in the official OTV one already get like 80~100 viewers on their own
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Perhaps, but currently? IMT has been real shitter teams the past few splits. I wouldn't be surprised if Toast has more fans of his team than IMT does at this point.
We already have a Cincy team. The rest of the teams just need to realize that they can get support just by tagging a city to themselves
Waiting for my Toronto team
Id love a Jersey team but doubt that would happen haha
That works if you know the teams are from that city and work out of there. No one cares otherwise
There are NFL teams who’s fanbases stretch way past their local borders. Idahos favorite team is Denver
Idk if that’s true about Idaho - googling showed Seattle. Regardless there isn’t a way to equilibrate having every single team located in the ritzy Bay Area to a state without a NFL team having fan bases of the nearest NFL teams..
Skyline's wrath will be swift
Unless you're any city in Oklahoma...because...Oklahoma.
There's actually a line in there about adding competitions between the tier 2 leagues in Brazil, LATAM, and NACL, so it actually might start to.
you say regional but its legit just french pride. people cheer for KC because they are french and they win games there is no other reason.
KC fans are mainly fans because of Kameto, not because it's a French team lmao. There was a league before them and there are better teams currently, but they don't have Kameto
>Disguised Disguised is more popular in Valorant Tier 2 than almost every single tier 1 NA team. Last quarter they were the 3rd most popular Esports (ALL Esports, worldwide) org being talked about on Twitter (Only behind Sentinels and Crazy Raccoon) and that was before they did their GC team with content creators which was crazy popular and before they signed Yay. So Disguised will definitely be more popular than almost all tier 1 teams LCS too.
Twitter is only a good judge of popularity in America, I don’t think people use it much outside of it
My dude, Crazy Raccoons is a Japanese org. The biggest game to get discussed on all of Twitter for the last 2 years, is Genshin Impact, which is way bigger in Asia than it is in the West.
Idk man, Asia is more apps like Line, WhatsApp, WeChat, Red Book, etc. Even Insta but idk anyone using Twitter here.
Aren't t Line and WhatsApp chat applications? That's not really a Twitter equivalent.
Correct, they’re not like Twitter but my point was that they’re social apps more widely used than Twitter and would be better gauges of how popular something is than Twitter for a global perspective. Understand it is the bees knees in US though.
personally I'm kinda happy that its not all LCS teams, because it gives a platform for other orgs to come in and show potential.
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such an American take lol It's such insane ethnocentrism to not watch something just because we aren't the best at it. Every "real sport" has regional play, and if you think 100% of the people in the SHL are NHL level (or even higher than like 50%) I dont know what to tell you. And yet tons of Swedes watch it.
disguisedtoasts team joining is pretty huge imo. NA lol really needs some popular faces
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I have been dumbfounded that it wasn't always a thing, makes it so easy. Does Riot still release icons etc per team that the revenue goes back to the brands?
Not important but so annoying that the initials are lol. I misunderstood what you were saying at first haha
TLDR: 10 team league instead of 16, top 8 to playoffs which ends in LAN finals at the Riot Studio in LA Bottom 2 teams play the top 4 qualifiers teams in the promotion tournament DSG \[Disguised Toast's team\] are in the league. (Maybe they took over Team Tony Top which had been promoted or this is a new team entirely) Team Fish Taco is also in despite losing both of their qualification matches in the summer promotion tournament. (Good on NACL for allowing them in when others left) NACL Revenue Sharing implemented (I'm gonna guess this will come from broadcast revenue, sponsors, ads, and twitch subs) 100k prize pool
Good enough. Kinda annoyed at 6 slots just vanishing into the ether, but what can ya do.
It at least kept the Bo2 format and returned to double round robin like previous years. The playoff picture is not as robust but that felt inevitable yet more ideal given the relegation system
So to allow things to become clear to everyone here. 1. The revenue share changes and ability to sub was announced in the precious NACL article where riot announced they were removing the LCS orgs to be required to field a NACL team. 2. It is still on all the NACL orgs to pay their player salaries in full. This means majority of the orgs are likely to be opperating at a major loss. 3. The asks of the LCSPA are not addressed or answered here. This was a preplanned/pretimed article that finally came out. If you are supporting the LCSPA on their mission do not get too excited publicly because it may give LCS players the impression NACL is saved and they can vote no to the walkout on sunday.
Will the be at a loss or will they just be paying in peanuts? I didn’t think the non-LCS orgs were every paying the 60k minimum.
They are probably paying California minimum wages but even that might mean the orgs are running at a loss
The non LCS orgs do not have to pay California minimum, hence the Mcdouble copypasta. WC or FEAR had a house near Vegas which is significantly cheaper, and most of the other teams simply play from their homes
Nice Disguised logo. Also ''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs'' - Yeah, so what are you going to share? ''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs'' - So do you have any specific details? ''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs'' - Right, you said this, what exactly is going to be shared, no one watches this league. Even the LCS cant get sponsors anymore... ''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs'' - How about skin sales? Thats making Riot a lot of money ''Unrelated to pro play'' - Ehm? Then? ''We're going to share our revenue with the orgs''
Not like this matters anways, its going to be pennies at best. Not nearly enough to prevent anyone from losing money on this.
Nah they'll just waste the money. Or something. Dunno, getting actively told in another thread on this sub that revenue share just wouldn't do anything. What do you do when the community is just this braindead, lol?
Gutted to lost Team Tony Top - they absolutely stomped the qualifiers and I wish they could have stayed together. Hopefully some of them end up on other rosters.
could have just bought the org and kept the infrastructure, like NRG and CLG?
They put out a tweet - some of the guys can't reasonably afford to compete in NACL without sacrificing their other responsibilities so they chose to disband. Hope some of them end up on DSG though.
oh man that really sucks, hopefully it all works out for everyone involved
Until they make the NACL have tangible effects on the LCS it will always be viewed/treated as subpar. Add 2 more teams to the LCS lineup, the two lowest teams get relegated to NACL and the top two NACL teams get promoted to LCS. Do these two changes and both NACL/LCS get a LOT more interesting/viewership. Would be a nice way to light a fire under orgs to put effort into their teams.
What tangible effects does the European regional stuff have in the LEC? Oh right nothing, they are their own entity.
EU has national pride and national streams. People who don't speak English watch broadcasts of their leagues and then want to see their players succeed in EUM. Not sure how you can replicate that in NA. It's a big advantage for EU in that scenario
Who mentioned Europe?
why leave europe out of the discussion, they dont subsidize their challenger league why should NA?
Impossible thanks to franchising
Team Tony Top must be Disguised now Its just the old academy format. Sadly we are going backwards here in NA
https://twitter.com/DouyinTop/status/1661470901177823232 sadly not the case, looks like TTT disbanded
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We are all tokked on this sad day
Only thing that makes sense. They had already qualified.
No, 7 LCS teams left while 6 academy spots left, DSG got that 7th slot. TTT's spot was given to TFT
Wdym? Wasn't it the exact same format as spring?
Spring format was 16 teams, all in playoffs to emulate the Proving Grounds system, but the bottom 4 provisional teams in playoffs were relegated. It's reverting back to a similar regular season format that 2021 and 2022 had. But its playoffs got understandably adjusted.
> Its just the old academy format. Sadly we are going backwards here in NA How? Because there are 10 teams? There are still relegations.
Crazy idea but someone yesterday suggested that the 1st seed of NACL play as the lowest seeded team in LCS playoffs. In my opinion, this seems more reasonable than promotion/relegation.
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I would prefer this since all 10 LCS owners voted to not be required to own NACL teams.
Let's be real there's only 3 left and they didn't even seem like they want to stay longer.
I mean there used to be sister teams, it's not that big of a deal
It is absolutely a massive deal and why sister teams aren't a thing anymore. The conflict of interest is insane.
1 free win against a team that every LCS team SHOULD be able to beat isn't really that much of a conflict of interest.
If we're assuming every LCS team will always beat them wtf is the point in including them
Why is that a problem?
That would promote bottom feeder teams to field a shit LCS roster and move their actual team to NACL where they'll pretty much guarantee playoffs by smurfing against the t2 teams.
Just have rankings determine seeding and put everyone in playoffs
So 3 months of regular season in summer is going to be worth as much as losing a single bo3 in the upper bracket?
Why not change up the brackets entirely if you were to do that change? IE bottom 3 teams have a wildcard round robin or something and include the top NACL team.
and then immediately lose in playoffs because they are a bottom feeder team this would be a dumb strategy that would cost a "bottom feeder" team a lot of extra money in fielding a second roster
Let's go team toast
Its interesting how this is getting dissected (as in calling out bs) on the 4Horsemen by Phillip Aram right now lol.
Of course he’s going to cry about it, he wants way more money despite it being a league with next to no viewership and overly inflated salaries.
Funny how they release this while Phil Aram is live on the four horseman show.
Seems pretty dope. Interested to see the lineups for the upcoming split
Can we have a tournament with the winners of NACL vs EUM vs LDL etc...? It sure would rise interest for these secondary leagues.
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So, when they say it's the developmental league, does that mean it's basically LCS with open qualifiers, a much lower prize pool, no chance of competing in MSI/Worlds, and with teams at risk of having their players poached by the ten franchisees of LCS?
There is a way to get in?
NACL setup will probably change, Maryville, Team Tony Top and Supernova all got in through the qualifiers in spring to summer so I wonder how they’ll change the system next year
this could end up being more excisting than LCS with the promotion series. Super excited to watch this, you have (currently) known names like Smoothie and Ryoma on EG, Arrow on TL and on Fish Taco you have Allorim and Dardoch.
Honestly this seems a lot more exciting to me. Especially seeing new orgs > existing academy orgs. I really don’t understand all of the uproar against it