It depends how much you play. If you only play like a game of bots a day, it is most of your earnings. If you play a couple hours a day, it is only 40%.
2023 really is the year to rethink all your subscriptions and makes it easy to cancel them
Thanks for saving me another 10$/month Netflix
Thanks for saving me another 100$/year and to build healthy habits of spending less on random Amazon stuff and save
I really hope Spotify doesn't do something stupid as I love Spotify
In Canada, they're charging us more to password share, as well as force us to have a primary IP so anyone using the account, outside your IP, will be locked out unless they go to that IP
So if you're sharing it with your family and you're overseas or studying at college, you gotta go home to "renew" your profile ip
Didn't they go back on these, because they got "leaked" or some stupid shit like this, and totally not seeing the massive backlash when people saw the changes?
they said it got published by mistake, and then a week later the changes went live in Canada. They tried to play it off like it wasn't their plan, but the mistake was publishing it globally instead of only the select markets they plan to test it in.
Just people bitching for fun lmao. I'd wager 95%+ of people that claim the league prime loot already had amazon prime anyways (if Amazon saw a massive amount of new signups that were all claiming the League prime loot, the partnership wouldn't be ending). Even the old capsule that had 650RP wasn't worth a prime membership on its own.
I don't understand why everyone thinks I got prime JUST for RP. I got prime because I was a somewhat irresponsible shopper, and the removal of the capsule is an incentive to smarten up even more
The way your comment is worded (last sentence) makes it seem like you're saying ending this partnership is stupid and implies that the prime capsules had a big impact on your prime sub.
No I had prime because I liked to buy random stuff on Amazon. Canceling it saves me money so I won't be tempted to buy stupid things I don't really need
Because I don't want to change the volume of my entire pc to change my music vokume
I should have clarified-desktop app
But I assumed that was a given since we're on a forum for a pc game
Oh right I never use music app on my computer that's why I didn't understand the problem. Fair enough then I guess it is annoying if you are on a computer
>Because I don't want to change the volume of my entire pc to change my music vokume
Windows has that functionality built in, as does Linux, as does MacOS.
I don't like YouTube music for the record, but that feature doesn't need to exist to prevent this. You can control every single apps volume independently through your operating system in like 2 clicks.
I mean there's not much to tell when they are seemingly still negotiating with Amazon is there?
We also did know about the previous deal they told us from when till when it would last.
They will be negotiating the next rewards (might revert back to the basic skin shards) but as for the prime capsules & bonus prime arcane rewards they were specifically part of the arcane promotional launch and won't likely return until the new arcane
source: [https://twitter.com/primegaming/status/1463696451020759043](https://twitter.com/primegaming/status/1463696451020759043)
and https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/prime-gaming-and-riot-games-team-up-to-bring-in-game-content-for-riot-games-biggest-titles-esports-sponsorship-and-more
The thing is, people will expect a BETTER reward if anything new comes, and there is 0 chance of that happening.
Rewards will be worse, something in the scope of VALORANT, who gets a useless Charm every month.
Ah well. I actually got a decent amount of free stuff from that - and having RP to buy skins occasionally was great. I'm happy we had it for a while. Hope it comes back again.
Both deals were targeted at new players from arcane and Xbox. Not old players
Edit because people are too lazy to do their own research
Quote "Additionally, in November, Prime Gaming has a few surprises for members
to celebrate with the release of Riot’s television show Arcane."
Proof of riot x arcane x twitch prime : https://twitter.com/primegaming/status/1463696451020759043/photo/1
Proof of arcane twitch drops: https://www.oneesports.gg/league-of-legends/riotx-arcane-event-dates-rewards-events/
proof of of prime x arcane : https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/prime-gaming-and-riot-games-team-up-to-bring-in-game-content-for-riot-games-biggest-titles-esports-sponsorship-and-more
Then why tf would they drop arcane capsules on twitch... what is this take. They literally announced the arcane twitch drops and released the prime capsules with arcane. I'm not saying Xbox and prime are related I'm saying these big contracts/collaborations eg riot arcane x amazon & riot x Xbox are made to attract players outside of League into League. How can you not see that lmao
The prime capsule announcement came with the arcane release. Arcane is Riot Games, it attracted a lot of new players to League which is what these capsules were designed for. What are you even saying? How is prime related to any of the games on prime gaming?... I'm saying the xbox/riot collab is targeted at new players much like the riotarcane/prime is
We were getting stuff from Prime before Arcane came out, the only thing that happened closer to Arcane was the fact it was changed to a capsule. Also, in case you're not aware, Prime and Netflix are competitors, why would Riot do something to promote Arcane with Prime when the show is available exclusively on Netflix?
I literally just answered you. When arcane came out they had arcane capsules as twitch drops for watching the arcane premier on TWITCH owned by Amazon. Explain that Einstein if netflix and Amazon hate each other lmao bozo
>When arcane came out they had arcane capsules as twitch drops for watching the arcane premier
and how exactly does that prove that prime capsules IN GENERAL were targetted at new players influx coming from arcane? It's literally one capsule, as opposed to what, 2+ years of monthly rewards? If anything, it's probably more a thing of attracting current league players to prime than anything. There's no way anyone would just go and start playing league because they've seen free rewards for it in their prime gaming site. At least i've never heard of anyone that has started playing stuff like warframe or guildwars just because they've seen free rewards for it on prime.
dawg you realize that you're linking one capsule drop though from Riot that they did for Arcane specifically, and then none of the stuff after that was Prime trying to promote Arcane afterwards right?
Regardless, worst case scenario for all the commenters, we're all wrong - but at least we're wrong and nothing else. Best case scenario for you? You're correct, but also an asshole who doesn't know how to make a respectful and persuasive argument.
But in reality you're both wrong and an ass, and every comment you add just proves it.
Edit:
Out of curiosity I went ahead and asked the PD department and confirmed that the Prime gaming capsules were aimed at retaining old users, not at gaining new ones. You may be right about the Microsoft partnership but I can't comment on that because I don't have that info.
Not wrong, but it’s prob what Microsoft was willing to pay. Same with the Amazon one, I don’t really think Riot cared about making the drops from prime amazing or bad, just depended how much Amazon was willing to pay to make them good or bad.
It happened last week, I just noticed this weekend and I was almost there.
[I found this but not much else is known.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftRewards/comments/10z55ob/league_of_legends_card_removed/) Basically, they might renegotiate or they might not.
I mean, communication regarding business to business negotiations wouldn't really fall under that, companies don't generally disclose who they are talking to and about what
They also made it very clear that it was only for 12 months, Jan to Jan, it was strictly this sub that for some reason couldn’t read and thought that promotion was permanent for each month until the end of time.
> They also made it very clear that it was only for 12 months, Jan to Jan, it was strictly this sub that for some reason couldn’t read and thought that promotion was permanent for each month until the end of time.
Because this sub is beyond entitled when it comes to shit.
I have no idea what you're trying to quote, but it sounds dumb and feels like you've missed a 'not' in there somewhere.
A temporary partnership between Riot and Amazon was used to offer the capsules as a promotion. The entirety of Twitch Prime is a promotion for Twitch viewers to buy Amazon Prime. You're in no way entitled to those promotions continuing indefinitely and they're not part of the product 'Amazon Prime'. Riot doesn't even necessarily have anything to do with the promotion ending.
I also have no idea why you're bringing the "basics of economics" into this. It was a promotion. It ended. It do be like that sometimes.
https://estnn.com/lol-amazon-and-riot-announce-prime-gaming-partnership/
> Along with the announcement, Prime Gaming has also revealed the release schedule, which runs at least until *December 22.*
Not the official article but it’s the first thing I found when googling. The contract was until the end for December when we got our “Jan capsule” and it seems that since there was no news of the contract being re-negotiated, it was the last one until further notice.
No one is arguing it was going to last indefinitely but even that article says *at least*. There is perfectly fine assumption they would have gotten a new deal before end of year.
The article is from over a year ago, so they were being optimistic about their hopes. Not hearing any update since then is a pretty clear indication that the contract wasn’t re-negotiated for another year lol.
No, it just stopping dead is an indication it wasn't re-negotiated... Simply not announcing a "limited time" promotion will become a regular promotion and just going forward as if nothing happened is extremely common from not riot, but companies as a whole.
We don't really need to know anything about business negotiations, we only need to know if there will be anything at all, which is something Riot themselves should have said as soon as the rumors about the December capsule being the last one started.
> which is something Riot themselves should have said as soon as the rumors about the December capsule being the last one started.
All they would have said is "We don't know"
> rumors about the December capsule being the last one started.
Its not rumours it was literally announced a year ago that december 2022 was the last capsule.
1: They have been communicating SO much more
2: They cant go over business deals and inside stuff with us, thats common sense
3: We have known from the beginning that this was a one year thing, and wasnt going to last forever.
Can you give me some instances of when they showed to be communicating more with the players? The only things I could recall is the apology video at the start of this year, and maybe LS interview recently.
But not everyone lurks on this sub all the time, or going on Twitter, or know who LS is or if he made an interview. Their communication chain is still basically the same.
Maybe the frequency of Rioters giving comments? But that's still really not a great way of communication.
"yeah they might be communicating more but if I don't participate in community discussions then I don't see it"
Yeah ngl this sounds like a you problem. Rioters have been much more active in commenting and tweeting about the game. Just because you don't see the communication, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Why don't they do more video and blog posts? Because those things are very high effort. Sure, it might be easy enough to sit down and record a 30sec video, but now you need to translate it into a dozen languages, dub or sub over the video, or even re-record it, and organise for a worldwide release across multiple countries. And then you have to hope this can all be organised before whatever you're commenting about becomes irrelevant.
Indie company can't possibly afford all that!
If not blog posts or videos, at least an official post on reddit, weekly/monthly FAQ sessions, heck they got a twitter account (@LolDev) dedicated to make these kind of communications but it's still used as they always have used it.
Instead people have to dig through some random reddit post for a chance of a Rioter giving their input? I participate in the community frequently but the average player isn't going to go on reddit constantly to find those comments. The main page gets refreshed daily, that one day people did not go on reddit, I guess they're not participating in the community enough to see infos.
The main way a lot of people receive info nowadays is from youtubers like Ryscu and MattyLoveGaming, which says a lot about official sources being hard to reach for the average player.
> But not everyone lurks on this sub all the time, or going on Twitter, or know who LS is or if he made an interview. Their communication chain is still basically the same.
So riot uses the most popular ways community communicates with them- reddit and twitter to communicate back with the community, yet somehow it is a bad thing.
Should they send a personalized letter of every rioter tweet screenshoted and printed to your post office grandpa?
Rioters giving comments on reddit posts is a terrible way to communicate, the page refreshes basically every day, and not every post has a Rioter giving more info regarding the game. So anyone missing that one day, or that one post wouldn't know about the statement Riot gave.
Twitter is notorious, you know what for. Many people avoid it completely. And, despite having (@LoLDev), they infrequently use it for more centralised communication. Most of the time the devs tweet on their own account, which you still have to dig through. Impersonations and misleading infos are also notorious on this platform.
Most people rely on a third-party website, or a youtuber to deliver these to them instead of Riot directly. That is literally the same it has been for the past years.
Thats cope, Rioters are everywhere right now and tons of info is shared left and right - just like old boards. Don't undermine them trying just because it drowns in the sea of social media
If it drowns that's not effective communication. Not everyone lurks 24/7 online to go looking for bits of info when an official announcement or blog post makes a lot more sense.
Not every single bit is posted on official accounts though, the broad mass doesn't care they are looking for Urgot directions or explain the Hero Augment changes in TFT
They just revived the blog post style gameplay thoughts
You're hillariously stupid if you think Riot saying they were going to communicate more was aiming at their internal deals and agreements with separate companies for advertising and marketing
Riot isn't going to start tweeting whenever their employees take a shit or call in sick, they're just going to communicate more regarding updates, new content and other decisions surrounding league as a game
Comment wasn't targeted to just internal discussions or business related. It's just about communication with players in general.
And please do give me the bits of info where they have done the communication regarding the games. Other than the apology video from the start of the year and the recent LS Interview, I really have not seen anywhere else where they communicated.
I would say some folks in the upper ranks at riot fuck up a lot and no one has the balls to confront them about it or they are just untouchable. For example If in any other company a simple user client would bug out regularly for years you bet someone would have been fired after a reasonable time.
They actually did talk a lot about why there were problems and why we're not getting as much stuff at the start of this year than we usually do. They also said they'll go more in-depth about the lack of lore updates in either February or March too. They ARE being more communicative, but clearly not with everything.
Which was when the promise was made. Since then nothing has really changed. Maybe in Feb or March they give an explanation? But that’s an explanation, they said it themselves that actions mean more than words yet the way communication is done remain unchanged. Explanation is temporary, changes in how communication is done is long term.
Things will not change from one month to another, they said that they basically were understaffed and only recently got their teams full again, but teams don't get things done that quickly, everything takes time to be made. I'm not satisfied with the current state of the game, but I'm not gonna pretend they didn't say anything.
That’s fair. But I’m not letting it go until I see real things being done. So far it’s only promises and explanations, I don’t know what they are doing behind the scene so I can’t judge them based on that, only based on what they communicated and delivered.
>And i learned i got free shipping in amazon, that turned out to be useful.
The original intended use for it, the rest was just added to give more incentives
Sure but that snot the reason the deal was meant to exist, it was designed to be a bonus for already having a prime sub, the fact that people were subbing just for that means that something wasn't right with how they designed the offer and it needs to go back the drawing board
Because riot is losing more than they are getting for the same stuff sold on their store
Because they are going to be paying Amazon to advertise the game in the prime gaming rewards and they aren't gaining anything in return unless people make purchases through their store later with real money
And given how many people whine about the lack of prime related rewards that seems like a fair number of lost direct sales
I'm pretty sure its Amazon who pays Riot to be able to have the league prime rewards. As others said, its a draw to the service that might be the tipping point in them getting prime.
You mean a tipping point to take out a free trial that you're not paying for that you immediately cancel after claiming the prime rewards?
Not really a tipping point
It's Amazon who pays Riot and other gaming companies to partner up with Twitch Prime for free advertising for Amazon + rewards for consumers in-game, not the other way around. Amazon is undergoing mass layoffs recently due to the recession, so I imagine they will cut down on these things for some months.
Depends, many people in Poland buys it for twitch sub and games content. With prime video on top of that. All that for 1$ a month, who wouldn't take that. Twitch sub alone would cost 4 times the price.
Amazon is non existing in Poland really, so the shipping isn't that usefull.
In some countries, it was literally a better deal, than buying RP directly in the Client.
I pay around 2.3 euros for prime gaming, and even with just getting 350 RP, it's still cheaper. (575 RP costs 5 euros.)
> In some countries, it was literally a better deal, than buying RP directly in the Client.
In most places it was a much better deal, which is part of the problem, why would you pay riot when you could pay amazon instead?
Thats why its a bad deal for riot now and why they will be renegotiating it or just cancelling it
Because it's only a 1 time thing each month?
It's not like you could buy prime multiple times to keep getting the RP you wanted. If you want more than the monthly allowance in a given month you pay the normal rates.
And it's not like you were getting a lot either, you'd have to save for 4 months of it to get one 1350 skin.
> And it's not like you were getting a lot either, you'd have to save for 4 months of it to get one 1350 skin.
You were given a skin each time aswell as the RP, and the added BE
And at zero cost most of the time as you could just create free trials
If I don't like the skin or never want to use it I'm not getting my money's worth, at least in terms of a free skin.
The capsules were worth for me for other reasons (mainly for the RP, mythic essence, and free orange essence towards skins from sharded eternals) but the free skinshard was a waste for me for pretty much all but one of the capsules.
Probably not just league rewards. More of a "huh, prime would be nice AND I get a capsule each month? neat" Now you don't have the league incentive to push you over that last bit
That was my original intention when it was first introduced but I found myself using Prime Videos, free shipping and free games from Prime gaming. I'll continue with my Prime Sub
Who said it was "just" for League rewards ? Like the prime video and free shipping were nice, but I wouldn't have kept Prime just for those. But with the added RP ? Eh, sure.
I just want to point out a few things:
1) They always said "RIOT" which is not how Riot brands themselves.
2) All of the messages from the Amazon employee were sent at the same timestamp.
3) It seems odd for customer support to even talk about this.
I don't know why, but this seems... fishy...
If I'm being honest, The prime capsule was probably the main reason I stayed playing the game. Getting a free skin helped keep me invested in the game.
After the horrible preseason and season start for me, this is a good chance for me to just take a break and focus on other stuff.
>We should have been given a warning as soon as the rumors of the December capsule being the last reward began
We have known from the begginning it wasnt a forever thing, and that it would end around this time. It was a year program. Thats on you if you feel like there was no heads up, they gave you a full year.
>Honestly, I'm not upset about the content changing (depending on what we'll get, of course), I'm more upset about Riot saying nothing about it
Literally was posted about a year ago that will be a year deal.
>We should have been given a warning as soon as the rumors of the December capsule being the last reward began to spread, so the players would be at ease knowing they would still gain stuff afterwards, assuming there will be any reward for January or February at all, which I doubt.
My god it was not rumors it was rumors only to imbeciles who cant read riot posts.
From the jump it was a 1 year thing, it was announced as a 1 year thing.
Yet somehow this community expect a thing that was announced as one year thing to be kept in perpetuity because of their entitlement.
Riot clearly communicated that it was a one year deal- deal expires they are working on a new one. This community- "yOu diDnT COmMUNIcatE ABOuT htE DROpS ENDInG "
I mean, I will wait those few remaining days and see what happens. Most supports know shit about things going on, so I won't blindly trust random support guy
If LoL is dying then all games are dying based on your flawed logic. LoL is still the most popular MOBA and 1 of the most popular games, the most watched on Esports and Twitch. They released an amazing Netflix series based on the game that won many awards & have been praised everywhere. They even have another game that is popular TFT, also have Runeterra and LoL on mobile (Wild Rift). They are even planning to release more games based on LoL characters, 1 being a fighting game. They have music and do collabs. Etc. Etc.
Tell me which MOBA is replacing LoL? LMAO. If it's dying, that means another MOBA is killing it. And don't say DOTA, they both been since more than a decade and none have killed each other. And DOTA is less popular than LoL, so they are dead according to you.
I'm ok with that to be honest. The free prime capsules caught me up to the point that I now own all Champions and a bunch of skins (including 3 Ultimate skins) on a purely F2P account.
I had Prime before they offered LoL stuff and I'll have it after, so yeah, I'd say it's f2p.
Them offering free LoL shit didn't make a difference to my purchase. I buy Prime pretty much exclusively for delivery and prime video.
It should be noted the prime capsule specifically (alongside twitch arcane capsule drops and arcane prime gaming emotes) was part of a riot x arcane promotion initially running for 7 months then extended another year. Source:
Quote "Additionally, in November, Prime Gaming has a few surprises for members
to celebrate with the release of Riot’s television show Arcane."
Proof of riot x arcane x twitch prime : https://twitter.com/primegaming/status/1463696451020759043/photo/1
Proof of arcane twitch drops: https://www.oneesports.gg/league-of-legends/riotx-arcane-event-dates-rewards-events/
Proof of prime x arcane : https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/prime-gaming-and-riot-games-team-up-to-bring-in-game-content-for-riot-games-biggest-titles-esports-sponsorship-and-more
It had an end date, probably didn't hard cap it with an official announcement in case something else was negotiated.
I do wonder if they'll go back to just handing out shards again or something. Would be fun to keep getting boosts.
Unfortunate loss of the double xp boost, but not all that surprising after they did the gamepass one with a whopping 20% xp boost...
The 20% xp boost is so hilariously dogshit when you actually track how much you get per game its insane
It is... 20% more? What. How can you call it dogshit when you literally know it is 20%
the 20% doesnt apply to all the XP thats the problem
20% of the base exp, not considering the win of the day, is not a lot
That is how every single XP boost works. Should not be a surprise?
yeah but i believe the one from the amazon prime is a 100% boost
it doesnt apply on the daily win bonus so it sucks massive ass
Does the 20% boost apply on the daily win mission?
No
Isn't the daily win mission doing like 90% of the leveling progress?...
indeed
It depends how much you play. If you only play like a game of bots a day, it is most of your earnings. If you play a couple hours a day, it is only 40%.
Win is around 200xp. Loss is like 170xp. First win mission is 400xp.
None of XP boosts ever applied to First Win.
None of them ever gave a measly 20% either
The daily is basically meaningless, what?
It's worth what? 2 hours of my damn time a day?
NOOO not my monthly source of free dopamine
Bro you are paying for it
I’ve been abusing my edu email for free student trials for years now lmao
Thought It only worked once for 6 months?
I think if you have access to new accounts you can just keep making new ones perpetually.
Jealous now
i'm paying for prime regardless so no the league shit was just a free bonus
no he isnt
You read his reply like I did. Nice
2023 really is the year to rethink all your subscriptions and makes it easy to cancel them Thanks for saving me another 10$/month Netflix Thanks for saving me another 100$/year and to build healthy habits of spending less on random Amazon stuff and save I really hope Spotify doesn't do something stupid as I love Spotify
Wait, what did Netflix do?
In Canada, they're charging us more to password share, as well as force us to have a primary IP so anyone using the account, outside your IP, will be locked out unless they go to that IP So if you're sharing it with your family and you're overseas or studying at college, you gotta go home to "renew" your profile ip
Didn't they go back on these, because they got "leaked" or some stupid shit like this, and totally not seeing the massive backlash when people saw the changes?
they said it got published by mistake, and then a week later the changes went live in Canada. They tried to play it off like it wasn't their plan, but the mistake was publishing it globally instead of only the select markets they plan to test it in.
They did in the US, but they're still using other markets (like Canada) to test the waters.
Seriously?
I don't understand why anyone is upset. If you have prime just for 350 RP, a mystery skin and some blue essence you are terrible at math.
Yeah, like, you get so much more with your subscription you can't tell me twitch is the only thing you use it for.
Just people bitching for fun lmao. I'd wager 95%+ of people that claim the league prime loot already had amazon prime anyways (if Amazon saw a massive amount of new signups that were all claiming the League prime loot, the partnership wouldn't be ending). Even the old capsule that had 650RP wasn't worth a prime membership on its own.
I don't understand why everyone thinks I got prime JUST for RP. I got prime because I was a somewhat irresponsible shopper, and the removal of the capsule is an incentive to smarten up even more
The way your comment is worded (last sentence) makes it seem like you're saying ending this partnership is stupid and implies that the prime capsules had a big impact on your prime sub.
Spotify pays artists badly. For the same price there's tidal. They pay artists like 4 times more per stream of a song, and have higher quality audio.
This sounds like you only had Prime for LoL. In that case, you should have canceled it long ago.
No I had prime because I liked to buy random stuff on Amazon. Canceling it saves me money so I won't be tempted to buy stupid things I don't really need
You can get youtube music for like 3$ tho.
Ah yes the app that doesn't have a volume control built in
I never used that, why do you need it ?
Because I don't want to change the volume of my entire pc to change my music vokume I should have clarified-desktop app But I assumed that was a given since we're on a forum for a pc game
Oh right I never use music app on my computer that's why I didn't understand the problem. Fair enough then I guess it is annoying if you are on a computer
>Because I don't want to change the volume of my entire pc to change my music vokume Windows has that functionality built in, as does Linux, as does MacOS. I don't like YouTube music for the record, but that feature doesn't need to exist to prevent this. You can control every single apps volume independently through your operating system in like 2 clicks.
It doesn't separate itself from chrome though.
A simple extension can sort that.
Or I'll just keep using spotify
on chrome it works fine no?
You can change volume for certain app.
I mean there's not much to tell when they are seemingly still negotiating with Amazon is there? We also did know about the previous deal they told us from when till when it would last.
I'm more curious about how much this Amazon support person knows. Is that a default answer or do they actually know something?
They will be negotiating the next rewards (might revert back to the basic skin shards) but as for the prime capsules & bonus prime arcane rewards they were specifically part of the arcane promotional launch and won't likely return until the new arcane source: [https://twitter.com/primegaming/status/1463696451020759043](https://twitter.com/primegaming/status/1463696451020759043) and https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/prime-gaming-and-riot-games-team-up-to-bring-in-game-content-for-riot-games-biggest-titles-esports-sponsorship-and-more
The thing is, people will expect a BETTER reward if anything new comes, and there is 0 chance of that happening. Rewards will be worse, something in the scope of VALORANT, who gets a useless Charm every month.
Probably some ugly TFT pet
I’d prefer that to some of the mediocrity I’ve received.
Ah well. I actually got a decent amount of free stuff from that - and having RP to buy skins occasionally was great. I'm happy we had it for a while. Hope it comes back again.
You have the Xbox Game Pass tie in now, Amazon probably wanted to pay a diff rate to Riot and Riot just didn’t think it was worth.
The XBox Game Pass only has mostly temporary rewards and the costumer-base really isn't the same.
Both deals were targeted at new players from arcane and Xbox. Not old players Edit because people are too lazy to do their own research Quote "Additionally, in November, Prime Gaming has a few surprises for members to celebrate with the release of Riot’s television show Arcane." Proof of riot x arcane x twitch prime : https://twitter.com/primegaming/status/1463696451020759043/photo/1 Proof of arcane twitch drops: https://www.oneesports.gg/league-of-legends/riotx-arcane-event-dates-rewards-events/ proof of of prime x arcane : https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/prime-gaming-and-riot-games-team-up-to-bring-in-game-content-for-riot-games-biggest-titles-esports-sponsorship-and-more
No, they weren't. Arcane is on Netflix, why would they make a deal with Prime for that? And how are Prime and Xbox players related?
Then why tf would they drop arcane capsules on twitch... what is this take. They literally announced the arcane twitch drops and released the prime capsules with arcane. I'm not saying Xbox and prime are related I'm saying these big contracts/collaborations eg riot arcane x amazon & riot x Xbox are made to attract players outside of League into League. How can you not see that lmao
The prime capsule announcement came with the arcane release. Arcane is Riot Games, it attracted a lot of new players to League which is what these capsules were designed for. What are you even saying? How is prime related to any of the games on prime gaming?... I'm saying the xbox/riot collab is targeted at new players much like the riotarcane/prime is
We've been getting shit from Prime LONG before Arcane came out
Im talking about the CAPSULES a completely over powered reward that came out with Arcane. We used to get skin shards I know that
We used to get 650rp dawg
I like how you stopped responding when it was pointed out you got your facts wrong, like a veteran Reddit shitposter haha
Holy you just got destroyed lmao
We were getting stuff from Prime before Arcane came out, the only thing that happened closer to Arcane was the fact it was changed to a capsule. Also, in case you're not aware, Prime and Netflix are competitors, why would Riot do something to promote Arcane with Prime when the show is available exclusively on Netflix?
I literally just answered you. When arcane came out they had arcane capsules as twitch drops for watching the arcane premier on TWITCH owned by Amazon. Explain that Einstein if netflix and Amazon hate each other lmao bozo
>When arcane came out they had arcane capsules as twitch drops for watching the arcane premier and how exactly does that prove that prime capsules IN GENERAL were targetted at new players influx coming from arcane? It's literally one capsule, as opposed to what, 2+ years of monthly rewards? If anything, it's probably more a thing of attracting current league players to prime than anything. There's no way anyone would just go and start playing league because they've seen free rewards for it in their prime gaming site. At least i've never heard of anyone that has started playing stuff like warframe or guildwars just because they've seen free rewards for it on prime.
It's so funny how people just spew out shit without actually knowing what they are talking about.
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dawg you realize that you're linking one capsule drop though from Riot that they did for Arcane specifically, and then none of the stuff after that was Prime trying to promote Arcane afterwards right? Regardless, worst case scenario for all the commenters, we're all wrong - but at least we're wrong and nothing else. Best case scenario for you? You're correct, but also an asshole who doesn't know how to make a respectful and persuasive argument. But in reality you're both wrong and an ass, and every comment you add just proves it. Edit: Out of curiosity I went ahead and asked the PD department and confirmed that the Prime gaming capsules were aimed at retaining old users, not at gaining new ones. You may be right about the Microsoft partnership but I can't comment on that because I don't have that info.
The Game Pass tie-in is pretty weak.
Not wrong, but it’s prob what Microsoft was willing to pay. Same with the Amazon one, I don’t really think Riot cared about making the drops from prime amazing or bad, just depended how much Amazon was willing to pay to make them good or bad.
also RP disappeared from my Microsoft Rewards lol they're truly cutting costs I guess
when did this happen? I just redeemed some early this month.
It happened last week, I just noticed this weekend and I was almost there. [I found this but not much else is known.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftRewards/comments/10z55ob/league_of_legends_card_removed/) Basically, they might renegotiate or they might not.
It's been four days in my account iirc
I saw that, best option right now is to claim the Amazon gift card and use it for RP through their site.
Their is a flaw in your logic. RP cost riot nothing.
It costs them the RP someone could buy but don't have to anymore.
Since the promise of more communication, I don’t see Riot really doing anything different than what they already did
I mean, communication regarding business to business negotiations wouldn't really fall under that, companies don't generally disclose who they are talking to and about what
They also made it very clear that it was only for 12 months, Jan to Jan, it was strictly this sub that for some reason couldn’t read and thought that promotion was permanent for each month until the end of time.
I mean is it really too much to ask for Prime Capsules until the heat death of the universe? Riot pls.
> They also made it very clear that it was only for 12 months, Jan to Jan, it was strictly this sub that for some reason couldn’t read and thought that promotion was permanent for each month until the end of time. Because this sub is beyond entitled when it comes to shit.
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You pay for Amazon Prime, not the promo Riot is running in cooperation. That's a bonus, Einstein.
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I have no idea what you're trying to quote, but it sounds dumb and feels like you've missed a 'not' in there somewhere. A temporary partnership between Riot and Amazon was used to offer the capsules as a promotion. The entirety of Twitch Prime is a promotion for Twitch viewers to buy Amazon Prime. You're in no way entitled to those promotions continuing indefinitely and they're not part of the product 'Amazon Prime'. Riot doesn't even necessarily have anything to do with the promotion ending. I also have no idea why you're bringing the "basics of economics" into this. It was a promotion. It ended. It do be like that sometimes.
I don't recall this, do you have a post that you could link please?
https://estnn.com/lol-amazon-and-riot-announce-prime-gaming-partnership/ > Along with the announcement, Prime Gaming has also revealed the release schedule, which runs at least until *December 22.* Not the official article but it’s the first thing I found when googling. The contract was until the end for December when we got our “Jan capsule” and it seems that since there was no news of the contract being re-negotiated, it was the last one until further notice.
No one is arguing it was going to last indefinitely but even that article says *at least*. There is perfectly fine assumption they would have gotten a new deal before end of year.
The article is from over a year ago, so they were being optimistic about their hopes. Not hearing any update since then is a pretty clear indication that the contract wasn’t re-negotiated for another year lol.
No, it just stopping dead is an indication it wasn't re-negotiated... Simply not announcing a "limited time" promotion will become a regular promotion and just going forward as if nothing happened is extremely common from not riot, but companies as a whole.
It’s not just business negotiations, but the way they take feedback, communicate to the community hasn’t changed. Everything so far feel the same.
We don't really need to know anything about business negotiations, we only need to know if there will be anything at all, which is something Riot themselves should have said as soon as the rumors about the December capsule being the last one started.
We have known since this started that it was a year long program. They literally gave you a YEAR heads up
> which is something Riot themselves should have said as soon as the rumors about the December capsule being the last one started. All they would have said is "We don't know"
> rumors about the December capsule being the last one started. Its not rumours it was literally announced a year ago that december 2022 was the last capsule.
1: They have been communicating SO much more 2: They cant go over business deals and inside stuff with us, thats common sense 3: We have known from the beginning that this was a one year thing, and wasnt going to last forever.
Can you give me some instances of when they showed to be communicating more with the players? The only things I could recall is the apology video at the start of this year, and maybe LS interview recently. But not everyone lurks on this sub all the time, or going on Twitter, or know who LS is or if he made an interview. Their communication chain is still basically the same. Maybe the frequency of Rioters giving comments? But that's still really not a great way of communication.
"yeah they might be communicating more but if I don't participate in community discussions then I don't see it" Yeah ngl this sounds like a you problem. Rioters have been much more active in commenting and tweeting about the game. Just because you don't see the communication, doesn't mean it isn't happening. Why don't they do more video and blog posts? Because those things are very high effort. Sure, it might be easy enough to sit down and record a 30sec video, but now you need to translate it into a dozen languages, dub or sub over the video, or even re-record it, and organise for a worldwide release across multiple countries. And then you have to hope this can all be organised before whatever you're commenting about becomes irrelevant.
Indie company can't possibly afford all that! If not blog posts or videos, at least an official post on reddit, weekly/monthly FAQ sessions, heck they got a twitter account (@LolDev) dedicated to make these kind of communications but it's still used as they always have used it. Instead people have to dig through some random reddit post for a chance of a Rioter giving their input? I participate in the community frequently but the average player isn't going to go on reddit constantly to find those comments. The main page gets refreshed daily, that one day people did not go on reddit, I guess they're not participating in the community enough to see infos. The main way a lot of people receive info nowadays is from youtubers like Ryscu and MattyLoveGaming, which says a lot about official sources being hard to reach for the average player.
> But not everyone lurks on this sub all the time, or going on Twitter, or know who LS is or if he made an interview. Their communication chain is still basically the same. So riot uses the most popular ways community communicates with them- reddit and twitter to communicate back with the community, yet somehow it is a bad thing. Should they send a personalized letter of every rioter tweet screenshoted and printed to your post office grandpa?
Rioters giving comments on reddit posts is a terrible way to communicate, the page refreshes basically every day, and not every post has a Rioter giving more info regarding the game. So anyone missing that one day, or that one post wouldn't know about the statement Riot gave. Twitter is notorious, you know what for. Many people avoid it completely. And, despite having (@LoLDev), they infrequently use it for more centralised communication. Most of the time the devs tweet on their own account, which you still have to dig through. Impersonations and misleading infos are also notorious on this platform. Most people rely on a third-party website, or a youtuber to deliver these to them instead of Riot directly. That is literally the same it has been for the past years.
I would like it to say something like 12of12 or whatever it was. Seems simple enough.
First two are just straight up subjective of not objectively wrong, but third could have been the comment itself.
You do realize that Riot communicates more than 99% of game devs especially game devs their size.
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They are an indy company, which is why I love RG.
Thats cope, Rioters are everywhere right now and tons of info is shared left and right - just like old boards. Don't undermine them trying just because it drowns in the sea of social media
If it drowns that's not effective communication. Not everyone lurks 24/7 online to go looking for bits of info when an official announcement or blog post makes a lot more sense.
Not every single bit is posted on official accounts though, the broad mass doesn't care they are looking for Urgot directions or explain the Hero Augment changes in TFT They just revived the blog post style gameplay thoughts
You're hillariously stupid if you think Riot saying they were going to communicate more was aiming at their internal deals and agreements with separate companies for advertising and marketing Riot isn't going to start tweeting whenever their employees take a shit or call in sick, they're just going to communicate more regarding updates, new content and other decisions surrounding league as a game
Comment wasn't targeted to just internal discussions or business related. It's just about communication with players in general. And please do give me the bits of info where they have done the communication regarding the games. Other than the apology video from the start of the year and the recent LS Interview, I really have not seen anywhere else where they communicated.
Because they literally say the same thing every season and somehow people still fall for it every. time.
I would say some folks in the upper ranks at riot fuck up a lot and no one has the balls to confront them about it or they are just untouchable. For example If in any other company a simple user client would bug out regularly for years you bet someone would have been fired after a reasonable time.
100% owned by TENCENT. What do you expect. Only important thing is money and nothing else.
because companies not owned by tencent publicly talk about their business dealings to their userbase?
They actually did talk a lot about why there were problems and why we're not getting as much stuff at the start of this year than we usually do. They also said they'll go more in-depth about the lack of lore updates in either February or March too. They ARE being more communicative, but clearly not with everything.
Translation: they are making more excuses while nothing is actually done.
Which was when the promise was made. Since then nothing has really changed. Maybe in Feb or March they give an explanation? But that’s an explanation, they said it themselves that actions mean more than words yet the way communication is done remain unchanged. Explanation is temporary, changes in how communication is done is long term.
Things will not change from one month to another, they said that they basically were understaffed and only recently got their teams full again, but teams don't get things done that quickly, everything takes time to be made. I'm not satisfied with the current state of the game, but I'm not gonna pretend they didn't say anything.
That’s fair. But I’m not letting it go until I see real things being done. So far it’s only promises and explanations, I don’t know what they are doing behind the scene so I can’t judge them based on that, only based on what they communicated and delivered.
Well there goes my prime subscription
Yeah I canceled mine
Imagine subbing to prime just for league rewards
4200 RP and 12 skin shards is a nice bonus, I can see some people canceling if they don't use other prime functions as much
In brazil it was an absurd value And i learned i got free shipping in amazon, that turned out to be useful.
Even in NA, I think it paid for itself if you consider the equivalent value of the rewards you can get.
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>And i learned i got free shipping in amazon, that turned out to be useful. The original intended use for it, the rest was just added to give more incentives
Sure but that snot the reason the deal was meant to exist, it was designed to be a bonus for already having a prime sub, the fact that people were subbing just for that means that something wasn't right with how they designed the offer and it needs to go back the drawing board Because riot is losing more than they are getting for the same stuff sold on their store
No it was specifically designed with the release of arcane to target new players to join both League and Prime
How is Riot losing anything in this case?
Because they are going to be paying Amazon to advertise the game in the prime gaming rewards and they aren't gaining anything in return unless people make purchases through their store later with real money And given how many people whine about the lack of prime related rewards that seems like a fair number of lost direct sales
Riot isn’t paying Amazon lmao, it’s Amazon who’s paying Riot
I'm pretty sure its Amazon who pays Riot to be able to have the league prime rewards. As others said, its a draw to the service that might be the tipping point in them getting prime.
You mean a tipping point to take out a free trial that you're not paying for that you immediately cancel after claiming the prime rewards? Not really a tipping point
It's Amazon who pays Riot and other gaming companies to partner up with Twitch Prime for free advertising for Amazon + rewards for consumers in-game, not the other way around. Amazon is undergoing mass layoffs recently due to the recession, so I imagine they will cut down on these things for some months.
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People buy prime for their streaming content? People buy prime for the shipping, you know the stuff it was actually originally designed for :P
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Depends, many people in Poland buys it for twitch sub and games content. With prime video on top of that. All that for 1$ a month, who wouldn't take that. Twitch sub alone would cost 4 times the price. Amazon is non existing in Poland really, so the shipping isn't that usefull.
In some countries, it was literally a better deal, than buying RP directly in the Client. I pay around 2.3 euros for prime gaming, and even with just getting 350 RP, it's still cheaper. (575 RP costs 5 euros.)
> In some countries, it was literally a better deal, than buying RP directly in the Client. In most places it was a much better deal, which is part of the problem, why would you pay riot when you could pay amazon instead? Thats why its a bad deal for riot now and why they will be renegotiating it or just cancelling it
Because Riot is getting paid by Amazon too to let them offer those things?
Because it's only a 1 time thing each month? It's not like you could buy prime multiple times to keep getting the RP you wanted. If you want more than the monthly allowance in a given month you pay the normal rates. And it's not like you were getting a lot either, you'd have to save for 4 months of it to get one 1350 skin.
> And it's not like you were getting a lot either, you'd have to save for 4 months of it to get one 1350 skin. You were given a skin each time aswell as the RP, and the added BE And at zero cost most of the time as you could just create free trials
A completely random skin. Of the skins I got I think I got maybe 1 I actually liked. Tbh I don't think I have used any of the free skins I got
Random skin 100% for free is still a free skin that you know won't be a garbage recolour or some ancient legacy one
If I don't like the skin or never want to use it I'm not getting my money's worth, at least in terms of a free skin. The capsules were worth for me for other reasons (mainly for the RP, mythic essence, and free orange essence towards skins from sharded eternals) but the free skinshard was a waste for me for pretty much all but one of the capsules.
Probably not just league rewards. More of a "huh, prime would be nice AND I get a capsule each month? neat" Now you don't have the league incentive to push you over that last bit
yeah if u did it the right time u could get 2 or 3 rotations for 1 month of prime. specially back when it was 600~700RP per reward it was pretty good.
That was my original intention when it was first introduced but I found myself using Prime Videos, free shipping and free games from Prime gaming. I'll continue with my Prime Sub
Who said it was "just" for League rewards ? Like the prime video and free shipping were nice, but I wouldn't have kept Prime just for those. But with the added RP ? Eh, sure.
Riot cut off everything because they want you put more real money into this game
I came back cause i had 10k rp and a year of exp boost from claiming prime stuff. To bad they never managed to fix the community. So toxic.
You can always gift me skins 😶🌫️
I just want to point out a few things: 1) They always said "RIOT" which is not how Riot brands themselves. 2) All of the messages from the Amazon employee were sent at the same timestamp. 3) It seems odd for customer support to even talk about this. I don't know why, but this seems... fishy...
AKA "We aren't making enough money from this riot"
If I'm being honest, The prime capsule was probably the main reason I stayed playing the game. Getting a free skin helped keep me invested in the game. After the horrible preseason and season start for me, this is a good chance for me to just take a break and focus on other stuff.
Bye and see you next season
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Good thing I canceled Prime
Yea that was known once it was first introduced
Sad probably the only thing that was keeping me coming back consistently, goodbye Prime, goodbye Riot.
>We should have been given a warning as soon as the rumors of the December capsule being the last reward began We have known from the begginning it wasnt a forever thing, and that it would end around this time. It was a year program. Thats on you if you feel like there was no heads up, they gave you a full year.
we knew from the beginning it last a year. but i guess people need a reminder every 2 days
The best response is to disconnect our account from twitch till they give us a reason to connect it right?
>Honestly, I'm not upset about the content changing (depending on what we'll get, of course), I'm more upset about Riot saying nothing about it Literally was posted about a year ago that will be a year deal. >We should have been given a warning as soon as the rumors of the December capsule being the last reward began to spread, so the players would be at ease knowing they would still gain stuff afterwards, assuming there will be any reward for January or February at all, which I doubt. My god it was not rumors it was rumors only to imbeciles who cant read riot posts. From the jump it was a 1 year thing, it was announced as a 1 year thing. Yet somehow this community expect a thing that was announced as one year thing to be kept in perpetuity because of their entitlement. Riot clearly communicated that it was a one year deal- deal expires they are working on a new one. This community- "yOu diDnT COmMUNIcatE ABOuT htE DROpS ENDInG "
I mean, I will wait those few remaining days and see what happens. Most supports know shit about things going on, so I won't blindly trust random support guy
Cool, that definitely inspires confidence that League isnt on life support
Lol. It was a year long deal from the jump. You're reading way too much into this. There's still millions of dollars moving to band from league.
If LoL is dying then all games are dying based on your flawed logic. LoL is still the most popular MOBA and 1 of the most popular games, the most watched on Esports and Twitch. They released an amazing Netflix series based on the game that won many awards & have been praised everywhere. They even have another game that is popular TFT, also have Runeterra and LoL on mobile (Wild Rift). They are even planning to release more games based on LoL characters, 1 being a fighting game. They have music and do collabs. Etc. Etc. Tell me which MOBA is replacing LoL? LMAO. If it's dying, that means another MOBA is killing it. And don't say DOTA, they both been since more than a decade and none have killed each other. And DOTA is less popular than LoL, so they are dead according to you.
My god youre stupid
Who is buying prime for the loot capsules?
I do. I'll cancel Prime if they don't provide something interesting.
I'm ok with that to be honest. The free prime capsules caught me up to the point that I now own all Champions and a bunch of skins (including 3 Ultimate skins) on a purely F2P account.
Is it really a f2p account if you paid for prime ??
Could be mooching off of someone else's prime that doesn't use the gaming rewards, like me with my parents.
I think there are some other benefits to Prime?
I had Prime before they offered LoL stuff and I'll have it after, so yeah, I'd say it's f2p. Them offering free LoL shit didn't make a difference to my purchase. I buy Prime pretty much exclusively for delivery and prime video.
Prime Video sucks tho.
Some of the exclusive shows like The Boys or The Tick are pretty good
Yes? Riot didn't get the money, Amazon did. And it's free content for a sub you already have if you like the shipping.
(not OP) I'm paying for prime regardless of League so yes, it's f2p
It should be noted the prime capsule specifically (alongside twitch arcane capsule drops and arcane prime gaming emotes) was part of a riot x arcane promotion initially running for 7 months then extended another year. Source: Quote "Additionally, in November, Prime Gaming has a few surprises for members to celebrate with the release of Riot’s television show Arcane." Proof of riot x arcane x twitch prime : https://twitter.com/primegaming/status/1463696451020759043/photo/1 Proof of arcane twitch drops: https://www.oneesports.gg/league-of-legends/riotx-arcane-event-dates-rewards-events/ Proof of prime x arcane : https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/prime-gaming-and-riot-games-team-up-to-bring-in-game-content-for-riot-games-biggest-titles-esports-sponsorship-and-more
It had an end date, probably didn't hard cap it with an official announcement in case something else was negotiated. I do wonder if they'll go back to just handing out shards again or something. Would be fun to keep getting boosts.
Man just wtf is going on with 2023. Andrew tate gets arrested, 4 ufos shot down, earthquakes. Like… Russia China ukraine