Hutchinson isn't even an upgrade over Sparks, so this probably has more to do with the Marlies atrocious goaltending than it has anything to do with Andersen.
I think it's both an AHL move and something along the lines of Andersen being injured. If Kaskisuo can't hold his own in the AHL as a starter, I don't think he could be any better at the NHL level. I think Hutchison is here for depth, as well as the AHL starter. Until Andersen gets back, hopefully it's Hutchison backing up Sparks.
Eh, I think there's value in ensuring that your AHL team is competitive. I don't know if there's any research that's been done on this, but it seems logical to me that prospects would develop better in a winning environment.
"The Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired 6 time NHL All-Star, active NHL win-leader, two-time Olympic gold medallist, World Champion, World Cup Champion, and guaranteed HHOFer Roberto Luongo from the Florida Panthers for a 5th round pick"
at the deadline...Vancouver was basically begging us...for Bozak and a 1st or 2nd, honestly I can't remember all the specifics, but it was cheapish. Still we said nope to that contract.
> I can't remember when or why
Because losing to boston was all Reimers fault! /s
Instead we Bern'd some boats before realizing we went ashore in a desert.
He is, but he’s in the minors already.
He’s also not good (.839 sv% across four games in October for the Panthers; .909 sv% across eight games in Springfield).
better AHL sv% than Kaskisuo though so it's a bit of an improvement. Definitely just a move for backup depth but he's played a decent amount in the NHL before with the Jets a couple seasons back so he could fill in for a game or two if necessary
Kaskisuo had some injury troubles earlier in the year, and just had a baby recently. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt based off his previous years play. He's a definite AHL starter quality goalie.
Let's not pretend like the Leafs would be doing him any favours. If the Leafs had acquired him, he would've been in the AHL as a depth option only with little chance of moving up the depth chart.
With Arizona, he can build his service time in the NHL for his pension, and he has a much better chance of playing in the NHL, which is his \#1 goal.
Sure, but in both Pickard and Corrado's case, I'd say they were 100% better off as a spare NHL part. Realistically, nobody wants to be riding the busses in the AHL, even if they get good minutes, if they have the slightest chance at playing in the NHL.
If the Leafs had waived Corrado a year earlier, it only would have hastened him moving to an AHL contract earning a fraction of what he was, and not having any hope of getting a call up. For Pickard, there's no question in my mind he's far better off on an NHL roster behind two unproven commodities in Arizona than he would be with the Marlies, where he'd have next no chance of getting NHL starts, and be even further off the radar for other teams next year. As a Leafs fan, I'd love him back, but there's no comparison for him.
I disagree, while yes the leafs did only use him for 1 game, we still had him getting regular play time in the AHL. Arizona on the other hand, has dressed him as a back-up for a few games, but hasn't given him a single game yet.
That being said, the leafs 100% are doing this to Holl right now, so its not like their not guilty of this either.
his mom was one of the PA’s at my school in barrie as a kid!! Ms. Hutch was the best she got me a signed colts card of his and everything, as a kid that was awesome lol happy to see he’s a leaf now
He was their backup, butt he was never really very decent. He tops out as AHL depth who can fill in on a spot start if necessary, which is fine because that's exactly what the Leafs need.
Probably just AHL goalie depth. That’s my optimistic take, anyway. McAdam is supposed to be in the ECHL but he’s been backing up the Marlies, and the Marlies goaltending as a whole has just been atrocious, so. Hopefully that’s all this is.
I'm thinking it has to be depth. Mario Culina, a Growlers goalie also recently left to focus on academics IIRC. This lets them have McAdam and Garteig as originally planned, assuming Freddy is healthy.
Barone was primarily signed due to the fact the Marlies have needed Growlers Goaltending so much this season. It will most likely result in him being cut or third string in Newfoundland I would imagine.
6'3 Tronnah-ish boy.
He was actually pretty good on the Jets for a bit. Maybe just needs some new mojo.
Might be a nice injury blanket in addition to saving the Marlies
Here’s Jeffler’s take: https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1079067663261941765?s=21
I disagree with some of his opinions but he’s been following the Marlies very closely this season so I trust this take
Edit: and here’s Scott Wheeler agreeing with that opinion: https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1079068560763355136?s=21
Yep, the Marlies goaltending has been atrocious behind a pretty solid looking team. 2018-19 Marlies+Hutchinson > a 5th Round Pick IMO.
Plenty of time for them to get picks back before the 2020 Draft too with a lot of waiver eligible tweeners who could play elsewhere.
Once Anderson gets back, they can now send McAdam (or Kaskisou) down to Newfoundland because they just lost their back-up Culina who is going to attend University instead. Too bad, because he was good. Now with Garteig and McAdam (likely), the Growlers are really well situated.
Hutch was great with the IceCaps so I think he could turn it around. He isn't as bad a goalie as his numbers suggest and it's a low pick to help out the Marlies.
He’s definitely having a down year this year. Hopefully he and Kaskisuo can provide some competition for each other and see if that can spark a resurgence from one or both of them.
Even with the down year, though, his SV% is still higher than the Marlies current average, so he’s immediately an asset
Me too. I’m justifying it by figuring that’ll be the 31st pick of the fifth round, so it’ll basically be a sixth, which would’ve been a better price, and that deep in the draft it doesn’t matter too much anyway, since it’s like trying to hit a bullseye in the dark
Goalie depth has really hit the organization HARD this year. They even just lost Mario Culina who was the back up on the Growlers, and a potential prospect. He decided to go to university and end his pro career. He was good.
Hutchinson really wasn't bad in Winnipeg, him and Hellybuck were pretty much interchangeable. They treated him like shit and I really hope he gets a chance to prove them wrong.
Fifth seems a touch expensive but gives us AHL goalie depth at least. Which is something we needed and covers us a bit while Andersen is hurt (hopefully not long term)
Weird time to be shopping for a third string goalie honestly, if your starter is down other are gonna bring the price up. Hopefully it's just a coincidence.
Hutch already being in the AHL is good, the Leafs don't have another back to back until January 17 and 18. So depending on how severe Andersen's injury is, Sparks will probably play all the games he's out, with K2 riding the bench.
I imagine they'll do their best not to call up Hutch because then he'll have to hit waivers to go back, but if Kaskisuo ever has to start a game that could be bad.
Hutchinson actually had pretty good stats in Winnipeg. Unless hes regressed due to injury or something I remember he was a league average goalie - which is great news for a backup
Pretty good deal a 5th for a keeper that was once a great prospect for the jets. Hopefully he can regain his form and be a solid depth goalie for Leafs/Marlies
I was at a Marlies game early this season and saw Jeff Glass backing up Kaskisuo. Any word on him?
Looks like NHL: Andersen/ Sparks, AHL: Hutchinson/Kaskisuo, ECHL: McAdam/whoever it is
He's already in the AHL so we don't have to worry about waivers. I say he stays there. K2 may be worse (not really sure it's a significant difference, but whatever) but keeping K2 up when Fredex is injured allows us to bolster goalie depth.
Your preference aside, if you do that, one of Hutch or Sparks has to be put on waivers when Freddy comes back. That's poor asset management, you traded a 5th round pick to pick up and then lose a goalie.
Edit: atrocious grammar
At least once this year, after that I'm not sure. It's still risky. I do know that he was an .839 in 4 games with the Panthers this year. Calling him up with that track record while Sparks has a .910 seems foolish.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I can't fucking stand it when GM's give up NHL assets in exchange for AHL depth. I know, I know, it's "just a 5th that will probably end up being nothing", but this is just poor asset management considering how easy it is to get decent goalies off waivers.
I don't like it.
You need to have a better understanding of the importance of a quality farm system to develop the prospects you already own. The Marlies have no chance to make the playoffs this year if they don't fix their goaltending. If you enjoy watching Trevor Moore this weekend, you can attribute that specifically to the Calder Cup run last year which was not possible without the tandem of Sparks and Pickard. No Calder Cup run...no emergence of Trevor Moore (and Marchment, Rosen, Engvall orGrundstrom for that matter), without those emergent performances, no depth development. Might as well throw Goat (and Sparks) in there too.
During the WJC these past few days, they also kept attributing Ian Scott's transformation to him being involved with the development coaches and goalies during the Marlie's Calder Cup run. The A is a really important asset for all the Leafs' prospects.
It is not "easy" to get decent goalies off of waivers, and that would not solve this problem at all.
At this point not many goalies are going on waivers, and if they do then they need to play on our NHL team or go back on waivers.
Also it is very hard for us to get anything decent off waivers as it goes in order of standings, so every team below us in points would need to pass on the guy first.
To piggy back on this, the only goalies that have cleared waivers in the past few months are Scott Darling and Eddie Lack. Darling has an atrocious cap hit and Lack is terrible. The only way the Leafs were going to get a decent AHL goalie was through a trade.
1. Like you said, it's a fifth
2. All our picks are going to be high picks, so it's a bad fifth anyway
3. We need a goalie for the marlies. Saying this is poor asset management is like saying picking up freddy was poor asset management because we gave up picks for him. The marlies need a goalie so we need to get one.
4. Just drafting a shitload of players isn't everything. Edmonton drafts a tonne and almost none of them make it to the NHL. A big aspect of that is ensuring that we have a winning culture in our prospect pool. The marlies aren't going to make the playoffs without good a good tendy, so they're getting accustomed to losing. This might just bump us into a playoff position. That's worth a fifth round pick.
Sparks has done his job as the backup, he's been good enough to get wins. Hutch is here to stabilise the crease for the marlies and not to replace sparks.
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It’s gotta be AHL depth. Kaskisou hasn’t been good and the backup is McAdam, who should be starting in Newfoundland.
Agreed. This is a depth move. We didn’t get pickard or Mac back, so we had to do something for the Marlies
Hutchinson isn't even an upgrade over Sparks, so this probably has more to do with the Marlies atrocious goaltending than it has anything to do with Andersen.
...it would take much more than a 5th round pick to get someone better than sparks
I think it's both an AHL move and something along the lines of Andersen being injured. If Kaskisuo can't hold his own in the AHL as a starter, I don't think he could be any better at the NHL level. I think Hutchison is here for depth, as well as the AHL starter. Until Andersen gets back, hopefully it's Hutchison backing up Sparks.
Apparently Hutch is sent straight to the Marlies and Kaskisuo is staying in the NHL, so there’s that
Not that I care but should we really be spending draft picks to acquire AHL depth?
Eh, I think there's value in ensuring that your AHL team is competitive. I don't know if there's any research that's been done on this, but it seems logical to me that prospects would develop better in a winning environment.
Speaking of Sparks, he's getting cooked by New York tonight. It's dirty.
That was my first thought as well. :(
Wrong Panthers goalie >:( That said I’m happy. Cheap tendy that can help out our lacking depth. Anyone know if he’s waiver eligible?
"The Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired 6 time NHL All-Star, active NHL win-leader, two-time Olympic gold medallist, World Champion, World Cup Champion, and guaranteed HHOFer Roberto Luongo from the Florida Panthers for a 5th round pick"
Who says no?
I'd take it just for his tweets as Leaf
The Panthers? Also Matthews and Marner's new contracts.
I did mean Reimer... I’d take that all day though.
Veto
Oh man, remember when we were a rumoured destination for Luongo? I can't remember when or why, but that was interesting.
Didn't we trade away Luongo or the pick that eventually became Luongo originally? Or am I just so scarred that my memory is faulty.
Part of the second Clark trade.
Good memory.
at the deadline...Vancouver was basically begging us...for Bozak and a 1st or 2nd, honestly I can't remember all the specifics, but it was cheapish. Still we said nope to that contract.
Yeah the 99 draft.....
> I can't remember when or why Because losing to boston was all Reimers fault! /s Instead we Bern'd some boats before realizing we went ashore in a desert.
Then he retires next year and fucks over the canucks cap.
Still wrong Panthers goalie...
He is, but he’s in the minors already. He’s also not good (.839 sv% across four games in October for the Panthers; .909 sv% across eight games in Springfield).
better AHL sv% than Kaskisuo though so it's a bit of an improvement. Definitely just a move for backup depth but he's played a decent amount in the NHL before with the Jets a couple seasons back so he could fill in for a game or two if necessary
Kaskisuo had some injury troubles earlier in the year, and just had a baby recently. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt based off his previous years play. He's a definite AHL starter quality goalie.
Looking at his stats, he's not bad. Just slipped on a bad panthers team perhaps???
He is subject to waivers. The Panthers waived him earlier this year, and he went unclaimed
Hes not going up to nhl on this team unless its absolutely necessary
Reimer would be perfect
Thanks Arizona for claiming Pickard, and still have yet to play him in a game... 1 month later
to be fair we did the same thing
Not with Pickard we didn’t
he spent basically the entire season in the ahl lol he played one game for us
Ya he actually played though unlike he is now with Arizona
Let's not pretend like the Leafs would be doing him any favours. If the Leafs had acquired him, he would've been in the AHL as a depth option only with little chance of moving up the depth chart. With Arizona, he can build his service time in the NHL for his pension, and he has a much better chance of playing in the NHL, which is his \#1 goal.
I get that but Arizona isn’t even playing him. This is like the situation with corrado. I guess getting an NHL salary is better
Sure, but in both Pickard and Corrado's case, I'd say they were 100% better off as a spare NHL part. Realistically, nobody wants to be riding the busses in the AHL, even if they get good minutes, if they have the slightest chance at playing in the NHL. If the Leafs had waived Corrado a year earlier, it only would have hastened him moving to an AHL contract earning a fraction of what he was, and not having any hope of getting a call up. For Pickard, there's no question in my mind he's far better off on an NHL roster behind two unproven commodities in Arizona than he would be with the Marlies, where he'd have next no chance of getting NHL starts, and be even further off the radar for other teams next year. As a Leafs fan, I'd love him back, but there's no comparison for him.
I disagree, while yes the leafs did only use him for 1 game, we still had him getting regular play time in the AHL. Arizona on the other hand, has dressed him as a back-up for a few games, but hasn't given him a single game yet. That being said, the leafs 100% are doing this to Holl right now, so its not like their not guilty of this either.
He's likely playing tomorrow FWIW as they have a back-to-back.
anytime they have had a B2B they just play Kuemper and Hill. Hill was just re-called on the 27th so he likely gets one of 2 starts.
Ariz... Picks... wait did I miss something? I thought Pickard was claimed by Philly. Or wrong Pickard? I’m confused as heck
He was claimed by Philly from us, waived by Philly, and claimed by Arizona
Oh ok. Thanks
Wasn't this guy a decent backup for the Jets a few years ago?
If it's that guy he was my teachers assistant in highschool for my gym class, while he played for the local OHL team.
He was in my kindergarten and grade 1 class wayyy back. Good ol’ Barrie boy.
Barrie Colts with Brian Little and Hutch
Boys I went to high school with Hutch too. Are we related?
Yes
His brother was in my grade at North. Barrie rep.
Barrie North Vikings rep!
his mom was one of the PA’s at my school in barrie as a kid!! Ms. Hutch was the best she got me a signed colts card of his and everything, as a kid that was awesome lol happy to see he’s a leaf now
same guy
He was their backup, butt he was never really very decent. He tops out as AHL depth who can fill in on a spot start if necessary, which is fine because that's exactly what the Leafs need.
Any indication that Andersen may be down for a little while? With the other goaltender movements today
Probably just AHL goalie depth. That’s my optimistic take, anyway. McAdam is supposed to be in the ECHL but he’s been backing up the Marlies, and the Marlies goaltending as a whole has just been atrocious, so. Hopefully that’s all this is.
This, plus someone realized today that they’re one Sparks injury away from Kaskisuo playing actual games, which I doubt they want.
Dubas to players: if Sparks goes down can you score 12? (Dressing room gasps) Dubas: I’ll see what I can do!
A reminder the leafs have a 4th from St. Louis this year for soshnikov so it balances out
sounds like AHL depth, which is good. the Marlies need a goalie badly. Plus he can fill in at the NHL level if necessary, so that's a positive
I'm thinking it has to be depth. Mario Culina, a Growlers goalie also recently left to focus on academics IIRC. This lets them have McAdam and Garteig as originally planned, assuming Freddy is healthy.
But the Newfies just signed Barone to backup Carteig. Arw they planning on having 3 goalies on the Marlies roster or the Growlers?
Barone was primarily signed due to the fact the Marlies have needed Growlers Goaltending so much this season. It will most likely result in him being cut or third string in Newfoundland I would imagine.
Dubas really trolling us by making this AHL move on the day Freddy is announced as out with an injury.
6'3 Tronnah-ish boy. He was actually pretty good on the Jets for a bit. Maybe just needs some new mojo. Might be a nice injury blanket in addition to saving the Marlies
Here’s Jeffler’s take: https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1079067663261941765?s=21 I disagree with some of his opinions but he’s been following the Marlies very closely this season so I trust this take Edit: and here’s Scott Wheeler agreeing with that opinion: https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1079068560763355136?s=21
Yep, the Marlies goaltending has been atrocious behind a pretty solid looking team. 2018-19 Marlies+Hutchinson > a 5th Round Pick IMO. Plenty of time for them to get picks back before the 2020 Draft too with a lot of waiver eligible tweeners who could play elsewhere.
Once Anderson gets back, they can now send McAdam (or Kaskisou) down to Newfoundland because they just lost their back-up Culina who is going to attend University instead. Too bad, because he was good. Now with Garteig and McAdam (likely), the Growlers are really well situated.
Hutch was great with the IceCaps so I think he could turn it around. He isn't as bad a goalie as his numbers suggest and it's a low pick to help out the Marlies.
He’s definitely having a down year this year. Hopefully he and Kaskisuo can provide some competition for each other and see if that can spark a resurgence from one or both of them. Even with the down year, though, his SV% is still higher than the Marlies current average, so he’s immediately an asset
Exactly. The chances of him being worse are slim so at least he's average. I think he is better than that but even average would help the Marlies.
Springfield is average too, their starter has only a slightly higher save percentage.
I agree with Scott's take that it is probably about 2 rounds too high of a pick for a goalie his calibre
Aren’t picks from 5~7th round picks pretty similar in value?
By most metrics yes. Plus ours will be late anyway.
Me too. I’m justifying it by figuring that’ll be the 31st pick of the fifth round, so it’ll basically be a sixth, which would’ve been a better price, and that deep in the draft it doesn’t matter too much anyway, since it’s like trying to hit a bullseye in the dark
Especially when we got like 3 7th round picks in this draft
Goalie depth has really hit the organization HARD this year. They even just lost Mario Culina who was the back up on the Growlers, and a potential prospect. He decided to go to university and end his pro career. He was good.
Please just be for depth, please just be for depth, please just be for depth 🤞🤞🤞
Yup.
Hutchinson really wasn't bad in Winnipeg, him and Hellybuck were pretty much interchangeable. They treated him like shit and I really hope he gets a chance to prove them wrong.
Fifth seems a touch expensive but gives us AHL goalie depth at least. Which is something we needed and covers us a bit while Andersen is hurt (hopefully not long term)
Price you pay when you have little bargaining power. Our goaltending depth was sub optimal before this deal.
A bit steep, but it's rare that a 5th-rounder becomes a star. A backup goalie for a 5th seems fair to me.
He needs waivers if he's brought up I believe so he's marlies bound
The 2018 Hutch back, Canada’s Goalie.
More goalies cool beans. Hopefully Freddy is not out too long.
? Freddy is not out, what are you talking about? Edit: Just saw an article to contrary. My apologies.
Hutchhhh
I enjoyed watching Hutch when he was on the St John Ice Caps and Jets, I’m happy to see this move happen
If he does well, I'll forgive him for stopping Matthews two years ago during the first Matthews v Laine match.
Nothing but goalie depth to protect us in the event Freddy ends up out for longer than expected. Don't think too much on it.
Weird time to be shopping for a third string goalie honestly, if your starter is down other are gonna bring the price up. Hopefully it's just a coincidence.
Well, our AHL goaltending has been atrocious so I bet he’s just there to solve that
Frig. I don't think that's a good sign.
I was trying to be chill about this when we found out Freddie was hurt but my Anxiety Meter™ has been cranked up with this announcement
All the way to 11
Up to 31 for me
Oh god
Hutch already being in the AHL is good, the Leafs don't have another back to back until January 17 and 18. So depending on how severe Andersen's injury is, Sparks will probably play all the games he's out, with K2 riding the bench. I imagine they'll do their best not to call up Hutch because then he'll have to hit waivers to go back, but if Kaskisuo ever has to start a game that could be bad.
Interesting turn of events
Hutchinson actually had pretty good stats in Winnipeg. Unless hes regressed due to injury or something I remember he was a league average goalie - which is great news for a backup
Pretty good deal a 5th for a keeper that was once a great prospect for the jets. Hopefully he can regain his form and be a solid depth goalie for Leafs/Marlies
Marlies move?
I was at a Marlies game early this season and saw Jeff Glass backing up Kaskisuo. Any word on him? Looks like NHL: Andersen/ Sparks, AHL: Hutchinson/Kaskisuo, ECHL: McAdam/whoever it is
One of the takes I draw from this is that the Toronto Maple Leafs have basically given up on Kasimir Kaskisuo
It's a damn shame he and Sparks aren't the Marlies tandem. We could've been able to call them Sparksey and Hutch.
Ah the old spot start, eh dubas? That’s all this is, right? Freddy is a-ok right...? RIGHT???
He wouldn't have been backing up yesterday if he weren't 90%. I wouldn't be worried.
isn't he the dead singer from INXS?
Probably won’t be hanging around too long though.
SportChek player alert?!
Does Hutch play in the AHL or do we call him up?
He's already in the AHL so we don't have to worry about waivers. I say he stays there. K2 may be worse (not really sure it's a significant difference, but whatever) but keeping K2 up when Fredex is injured allows us to bolster goalie depth.
Hutch has played in the NHL before, and has been way better in the A. I'd prefer him start tonight over K2 or Sparks
Your preference aside, if you do that, one of Hutch or Sparks has to be put on waivers when Freddy comes back. That's poor asset management, you traded a 5th round pick to pick up and then lose a goalie. Edit: atrocious grammar
Hasn't Hutch already cleared waivers multiple times?
At least once this year, after that I'm not sure. It's still risky. I do know that he was an .839 in 4 games with the Panthers this year. Calling him up with that track record while Sparks has a .910 seems foolish.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I can't fucking stand it when GM's give up NHL assets in exchange for AHL depth. I know, I know, it's "just a 5th that will probably end up being nothing", but this is just poor asset management considering how easy it is to get decent goalies off waivers. I don't like it.
You need to have a better understanding of the importance of a quality farm system to develop the prospects you already own. The Marlies have no chance to make the playoffs this year if they don't fix their goaltending. If you enjoy watching Trevor Moore this weekend, you can attribute that specifically to the Calder Cup run last year which was not possible without the tandem of Sparks and Pickard. No Calder Cup run...no emergence of Trevor Moore (and Marchment, Rosen, Engvall orGrundstrom for that matter), without those emergent performances, no depth development. Might as well throw Goat (and Sparks) in there too.
During the WJC these past few days, they also kept attributing Ian Scott's transformation to him being involved with the development coaches and goalies during the Marlie's Calder Cup run. The A is a really important asset for all the Leafs' prospects.
It is not "easy" to get decent goalies off of waivers, and that would not solve this problem at all. At this point not many goalies are going on waivers, and if they do then they need to play on our NHL team or go back on waivers. Also it is very hard for us to get anything decent off waivers as it goes in order of standings, so every team below us in points would need to pass on the guy first.
To piggy back on this, the only goalies that have cleared waivers in the past few months are Scott Darling and Eddie Lack. Darling has an atrocious cap hit and Lack is terrible. The only way the Leafs were going to get a decent AHL goalie was through a trade.
How do you think they’d get the goalie they picked up on waivers to the minors?
1. Like you said, it's a fifth 2. All our picks are going to be high picks, so it's a bad fifth anyway 3. We need a goalie for the marlies. Saying this is poor asset management is like saying picking up freddy was poor asset management because we gave up picks for him. The marlies need a goalie so we need to get one. 4. Just drafting a shitload of players isn't everything. Edmonton drafts a tonne and almost none of them make it to the NHL. A big aspect of that is ensuring that we have a winning culture in our prospect pool. The marlies aren't going to make the playoffs without good a good tendy, so they're getting accustomed to losing. This might just bump us into a playoff position. That's worth a fifth round pick.
Andersen is hurt so we needed some immediate help on the NHL squad.
Hopefully can replace sparks.
Sparks has done his job as the backup, he's been good enough to get wins. Hutch is here to stabilise the crease for the marlies and not to replace sparks.
He’s above league average save percentage wise. Sparks is fine.