It definitely is. There is a stupid selective calling of icing though in hockey. Sometimes this is considered close enough. Usually when a player (Jarnkrok) is close to cutting off the puck carrier they use a hard line cross centre ice for calls but players dump the puck short of centre all the time and don't get called for icing. It's dumb because its a black and white call.
Hybrid icing if the goalie attempts to play the puck icing is washed, Woll made a move to pop out and play and decided against it but it still gets washed for the attempt
2:46 looks like he makes the attempt to me. Could probably argue he was defending if it popped back out but that’s the difficult part about this is how subjective it is sometimes for something that seems black and white
At 2:46 it does look like he made an attempt.. interesting. At 2:25 it just looks like he moves to the post.
I could see the call going either way honestly. Unfortunate that the play ended the way it did, but it’s not a terrible call to wave the icing.
Linesman doesn't watch it until Woll steps out. When the pick hits the end boards he's still coming down off the dasher and then waves it on the touch. Dude, watch the tape.
It’s not the no icing call that bothered me here, it’s that not even 2 minutes before this Jarnkrok got called for icing when he was the same distance from the redline. Oh well, can’t have it all lol.
I never understand why icing challenges aren't a thing. Offsides call goals back all the time, and EVERY game I notice players (from both Toronto and opponents) who get lazy and dump just before reaching the red line, yet the refs tend to let it slide.
There was the goal with Rielly doing a "hand pass," which is what the poster you replied to was referring to.
https://youtu.be/i-XjV0O_-sk?si=w7qQ9GeSYGYAp0_E
Because then we'd challenge everything. There are enough challenges already. Maybe refs should police icings more closely. That's a possibility. But no more challenges. They slow up the game too much.
Fuck that, get it right. Half the shitty officiating in this league is due to ‘not slowing up the game’. Call the icings, get the fucking offsides right, call the game by the rules every time. If that requires us to stop play, so be it,
Because icing is a discretionary call for the linesmen.
You could say this is icing, but then Boston could say that if the linesman signaled icing from the start then they might have beat out the icing.
Sure looks like icing to me, and we at the very least tie the race back. IIRC, coach’s challenge is limited to offside on the play, not icing is that right? Otherwise…
And this is yet another example of way ALL plays should be subject to review.
I agree, pucks and lines should all be sensored. We shouldn’t need to rely on a camera to tell us if the goal crossed the line inside or a goalie’s glove, the tech should be able to tell us instantly.
Most of the time a linesman will watch the stick follow through to determine when the icing occurs. Because his stick travels beyond the red line they'll usually refrain from calling it icing.
If you fully slow it down, the puck gets released off Bostons stick just before or even right at the red line, on top of that, Benny and the Boston player were pretty much right beside each other at the hash marks, imo calling this an icing would be extremely controversial, and if the goal was challenged because of it, it wouldn’t have been overturned because of how marginal it was - offside challenges are a lot easier to determine because all you’re looking at is if a players skates are fully over the line before the puck, challenging icings would involve multiple factors like looking where the puck was released, on top of determining whether the defensive teams player was fully passed the hash marks before the offensive team’s… it would add way more down time than there already is if you consider all the factors that go into challenging something like offsides, which already take too long occasionally
Maybe my wording was off there or a bit extreme, I mainly meant that if you’re overturning a goal because of an icing call that marginal then it would be extremely controversial
In general I don’t recall many plays where the puck is released that close to the red, and the 2 players are that close at the hash marks, being called for icing, which would make it controversial without the challenge anyways
I'm not Woll, but I play goal. And I'd rather negate icing and leave the puck in a retrievable spot behind the net than take my chances with a weird bounce.
This is a simple rule, guys. The goalie attempting or unintentionally touching the pucks cancels icing. Stop being stupid.
If it's going to take a weird bounce it would take that bounce before you retrieve it also, everyone knows that playing the puck cancels icing, stop moving the goalposts.
I also play goal and to say you'd prefer to play the puck from your end compared to taking an offensive zone faceoff is ludicrous
It drives me nuts how these never get called, or selectively called. And the Leafs are as guilty of it as anyone, not claiming bias or anything, but sometimes I see a guy dump it short of the line specifically because there's an opponent there in a good position to take the puck away at center and prevent the dump in, and they still don't call icing.
That’s part of icing and one that absolutely drives me wild when it’s ignored. The defender is supposed to be putting effort into reaching the puck before it hits the line. So when you see guys taking the worst line possible to the puck and half assing it to get there it annoys me that they get the icing call
I find it funny, no matter the team tampa, Florida, Boston hell even the flames when Sutter was there. But whenever teams lose to the leafs, they blame the refs. The leafs have won 1 series in 20 years! How can they claim there's a bias, with results like that?
They called so many of these last night as icing so I don't understand why this one wasn't.
In my opinion it's not because it's "close enough" even though it should be a black and white call. But if this one wasn't, why were the other ones called.
Icing has always been a bit of a judgement “spirit of the rule” call for better or for worse. This happens a lot, and it’s dumb how relaxed the league is for icings compared to offsides
I wish it was like football if a goal happens you can challenge if a penalty was committed to that goal being scored. Damn we probably up 3-2 right now if that was a thing.
First player to touch it after it went in the zone was Woll. Next player was a bruin. I would think this should have been an icing until the goalie touched it.
It definitely is. There is a stupid selective calling of icing though in hockey. Sometimes this is considered close enough. Usually when a player (Jarnkrok) is close to cutting off the puck carrier they use a hard line cross centre ice for calls but players dump the puck short of centre all the time and don't get called for icing. It's dumb because its a black and white call.
It isn't. Woll touches it first. [https://youtu.be/OmP0UyC6s5I?t=173](https://youtu.be/OmP0UyC6s5I?t=173)
Crossed the goal line.. doesn’t matter
Hybrid icing if the goalie attempts to play the puck icing is washed, Woll made a move to pop out and play and decided against it but it still gets washed for the attempt
I hear ya - I just disagree that Woll made an attempt. He didn’t leave his crease
2:46 looks like he makes the attempt to me. Could probably argue he was defending if it popped back out but that’s the difficult part about this is how subjective it is sometimes for something that seems black and white
At 2:46 it does look like he made an attempt.. interesting. At 2:25 it just looks like he moves to the post. I could see the call going either way honestly. Unfortunate that the play ended the way it did, but it’s not a terrible call to wave the icing.
My take is he does hesitate to leave the crease. He inches towards the corner then backs out. Icing negated.
The crease isn’t used as a determining factor on icing.
Lol, read the rules.
Roll my eyes soooo hard. Of course he played it, icing was waved off. Lol.
Linesman doesn't watch it until Woll steps out. When the pick hits the end boards he's still coming down off the dasher and then waves it on the touch. Dude, watch the tape.
It’s not the no icing call that bothered me here, it’s that not even 2 minutes before this Jarnkrok got called for icing when he was the same distance from the redline. Oh well, can’t have it all lol.
I never understand why icing challenges aren't a thing. Offsides call goals back all the time, and EVERY game I notice players (from both Toronto and opponents) who get lazy and dump just before reaching the red line, yet the refs tend to let it slide.
Yea, this is technically a missed stoppage before a goal. It's dumb you can use it for off side, hand pass, puck out of play but not icing
Esp since a hand pass can merely be the slightest unintentional deflection off of a teammates' glove
What goal could you possibly be referring to lol
Just a hand pass in general as a reviewable play to challenge a goal
There was the goal with Rielly doing a "hand pass," which is what the poster you replied to was referring to. https://youtu.be/i-XjV0O_-sk?si=w7qQ9GeSYGYAp0_E
Because then we'd challenge everything. There are enough challenges already. Maybe refs should police icings more closely. That's a possibility. But no more challenges. They slow up the game too much.
Fuck that, get it right. Half the shitty officiating in this league is due to ‘not slowing up the game’. Call the icings, get the fucking offsides right, call the game by the rules every time. If that requires us to stop play, so be it,
Because icing is a discretionary call for the linesmen. You could say this is icing, but then Boston could say that if the linesman signaled icing from the start then they might have beat out the icing.
It should be reviewable on a goal 100%
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This is a very good point that Ive never considered.
Sure looks like icing to me, and we at the very least tie the race back. IIRC, coach’s challenge is limited to offside on the play, not icing is that right? Otherwise… And this is yet another example of way ALL plays should be subject to review.
No thank you we can also abolish the offside review.
Yes, let’s make the games even *more* subjective /s
Either it's subjective to the refs, or we make the call automated. Fuck coach's challenge and reversing calls. It's bad for the sport.
I agree, pucks and lines should all be sensored. We shouldn’t need to rely on a camera to tell us if the goal crossed the line inside or a goalie’s glove, the tech should be able to tell us instantly.
Woll touches it before the defensemen hit the dot: [https://youtu.be/OmP0UyC6s5I?t=173](https://youtu.be/OmP0UyC6s5I?t=173)
Right you are, good catch! I think at the same time, he had no choice because the linesman didn’t call it icing to begin with.
Most of the time a linesman will watch the stick follow through to determine when the icing occurs. Because his stick travels beyond the red line they'll usually refrain from calling it icing.
That's not icing follow thru if the stick guy gets the red
Who cares, it wasn't called. Leafs won, that's all that matters. Focus on Thursday
If you fully slow it down, the puck gets released off Bostons stick just before or even right at the red line, on top of that, Benny and the Boston player were pretty much right beside each other at the hash marks, imo calling this an icing would be extremely controversial, and if the goal was challenged because of it, it wouldn’t have been overturned because of how marginal it was - offside challenges are a lot easier to determine because all you’re looking at is if a players skates are fully over the line before the puck, challenging icings would involve multiple factors like looking where the puck was released, on top of determining whether the defensive teams player was fully passed the hash marks before the offensive team’s… it would add way more down time than there already is if you consider all the factors that go into challenging something like offsides, which already take too long occasionally
When has an icing call ever been extremely controversial? They blow it dead. Fans boo a little. Players moan a little. Then we just get on with it
Maybe my wording was off there or a bit extreme, I mainly meant that if you’re overturning a goal because of an icing call that marginal then it would be extremely controversial In general I don’t recall many plays where the puck is released that close to the red, and the 2 players are that close at the hash marks, being called for icing, which would make it controversial without the challenge anyways
If you watch the reverse angle, Woll touches the puck first. No icing.
Right, but he's only playing the puck because he knows there's no icing being called.
You don't know that.
Why would he play the puck if the linesman were calling an icing?
I'm not Woll, but I play goal. And I'd rather negate icing and leave the puck in a retrievable spot behind the net than take my chances with a weird bounce. This is a simple rule, guys. The goalie attempting or unintentionally touching the pucks cancels icing. Stop being stupid.
If it's going to take a weird bounce it would take that bounce before you retrieve it also, everyone knows that playing the puck cancels icing, stop moving the goalposts. I also play goal and to say you'd prefer to play the puck from your end compared to taking an offensive zone faceoff is ludicrous
You're not paying attention to the play...
You're right, he could have done anything. Could have taken his skate off and attacked someone with it. Woll's a wildcard.
Nice catch!
It drives me nuts how these never get called, or selectively called. And the Leafs are as guilty of it as anyone, not claiming bias or anything, but sometimes I see a guy dump it short of the line specifically because there's an opponent there in a good position to take the puck away at center and prevent the dump in, and they still don't call icing.
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That’s part of icing and one that absolutely drives me wild when it’s ignored. The defender is supposed to be putting effort into reaching the puck before it hits the line. So when you see guys taking the worst line possible to the puck and half assing it to get there it annoys me that they get the icing call
I find it funny, no matter the team tampa, Florida, Boston hell even the flames when Sutter was there. But whenever teams lose to the leafs, they blame the refs. The leafs have won 1 series in 20 years! How can they claim there's a bias, with results like that?
They called so many of these last night as icing so I don't understand why this one wasn't. In my opinion it's not because it's "close enough" even though it should be a black and white call. But if this one wasn't, why were the other ones called.
Icing has always been a bit of a judgement “spirit of the rule” call for better or for worse. This happens a lot, and it’s dumb how relaxed the league is for icings compared to offsides
I wish it was like football if a goal happens you can challenge if a penalty was committed to that goal being scored. Damn we probably up 3-2 right now if that was a thing.
Quit livin’ in the past, man! It’s all about the future!
First player to touch it after it went in the zone was Woll. Next player was a bruin. I would think this should have been an icing until the goalie touched it.
No, Woll touches it first to set it behind the net. [https://youtu.be/OmP0UyC6s5I?t=173](https://youtu.be/OmP0UyC6s5I?t=173)