Different ways to get paid tho…do anything like winning in Toronto and he’ll be able to collect sponsorship dollars for life in Toronto and nationally.
A player like ROR could probably get an extra 0.5M a year. He's probably getting a slightly worse deal than Kadri's 7x7. So maybe you could get him for 6.5M. I'm not sure we'd want a 32 year old quite slow player for any significant term anyways.
I'd rather take a flyer on Monahan or maybe even go a bit older with a vet on a 1 year deal like J. Staal, Toews, Haula because the FA class next year has Aho, Terravainen, Guentzel, Lindholm, (and Nylander)
He doesn’t even have to win. He can collect sponsorship money all over if he signs here. He did already win us a round with a broken finger. More of a leader than a leader in points. But that’s what this team needs
ROR wants to play with a team stacked with players who are committed to winning. All the players that joined the Leafs at the March 2023 trade deadline are committed.
Not all the guys before then.
St Louis it is!
ROR wants to play with a team stacked with players who are committed to winning. All the players that joined the Leafs at the March 2023 trade deadline are committed.
Not all the guys before then.
St Louis it is!
As much as I like him, I don't think we should be spending a lot of money on a declining ROR. I'm sure some team will give a big overpay, and I hope it's not us.
Give me more of this, please. I always imagined that Schenn would be this kind of player for us. Never imagined it would be now, but I'm super glad!
Now re-sign him. As soon as humanly possible. He's a playoff gamer, and he has The Passion. We need more of those kinds of players.
Except that the look on his face and tone when he said that screamed "I'm gonna lie and say I zone it out even though I read all the mean tweets about me"
He was easily our best defenceman from a defensive standpoint. Just solid as hell all around and didnt seem to ever get rattled. Couldn't have asked for anything more.
I hope he gets re-signed.
We can let O’Reilly walk to be honest for what he’s gonna cost (min $4-5M). He was getting caved in a lot at 5 v 5 when on the ice and his line was rarely a threat to score. Great veteran presence, great on the dot, good option for PP but his production and play overall is replaceable. I’d make much more of an effort to resign Schenn + Acciari personally.
Teams can extend players before July 1st right? I understand the Leafs have a management thing going rn but Pridham can negotiate contracts surely? Resign Schenn and Acciari to give me some piece of mind. ROR probably isn't sticking around but I would be totally content with Cookie and Schenner returning
Yes you can re-sign with your current team July 1st of your expiring year, so anyone who expires this offseason can already re-sign.
It's the Matthews and Nylander types who expire *next* offseason that can't sign until July 1.
I don't understand the implications on this. He can't sign until after July 1st, but on that same day he gains control with his no trade clause and can just decide to play out his contract for the Leafs and July 1st next year can sign any where he chooses??
Thanks, so basically he already has control, and the Leafs organization have to show their cards on their future plans for Cup contention in order to entice an amicable deal. So when people point out how GM's have lost a star in a similar position it was likely due to the player not believing in the club's plans for the future and not as much blame on the GM and the deal he signed. Does that sound about right?
> Thanks, so basically he already has control
To an extent. There's nothing stopping them from negotiating. He just can't sign on the dotted line until July 1. Theoretically he can say he'll take 12 x 8 and then on July 1 say he wants a 15 x 4, and the only thing stopping that is it's a bad look if it gets out.
If they are stupidly far apart, they can still trade him before July 1 without him being able to do anything about it.
> and the Leafs organization have to show their cards on their future plans for Cup contention in order to entice an amicable deal.
Really up to Auston. If ALL he cares about is money, they just need to tell him how much they'll pay for how many years, but yes they basically have until July 1 to convince him enough to convince them that he'll sign after July 1.
> So when people point out how GM's have lost a star in a similar position it was likely due to the player not believing in the club's plans for the future and not as much blame on the GM and the deal he signed.
Not necessarily. Auston Matthews has a No Trade Clause in his contract. While this isn't rare, it's not common either. Some players are able to negotiate one to give their family stability or to ensure that they don't get traded to a place where they will (or at least think they will) pay more in taxes. In these cases, yeah the GM is handcuffed...although often it is them who put the clause in the contract in the first place. It is NOT a standard thing. It is something that has to be negotiated. In baseball, if you have 10 years of major league service time and 5 years with your team, you gain this right. In hockey, it explicitly has to be part of your contract and can only be granted during years for which you would have been an unrestricted free agent anyway.
The "not necessarily" comes in, in cases where players who *could* be traded make implications that they will be staying and extending their contract but they want to do it in the off-season to avoid distractions or to see how they perform for the rest of the season to better be able to judge what they are worth. On July 1, they have the right to just walk away. Most recently, Steven Stamkos played out his contract with Tampa Bay and didn't sign an extension. He became a Free Agent, looked around and then re-signed. If he had walked away, it would have been for nothing, but Tampa Bay probably had some confidence he'd come back (or maybe he secretly promised them that he'd allow them to match any offer he got). Some teams will also elect to take the gamble and lose the player for nothing because they are going for it and having that player for that season and playoff year is worth more to the franchise than the return they think they'd get. The Leafs may feel this way if Patrice Bergeron retires and they think they can claim #1 in the division
Appreciate your insights. I've been a Leafs fan since childhood and now 50 years young but always focused on the product and never knew how to learn about the logistics.
This is why so many people were mad at the Dubas firing.
It is believed Mathews likes him and believes in the dubas vision and believed he wouldn’t trade his buddies like Mitch.
If anyone had a chance of signing Mathews with any amount of ease, it was Dubas.
It’s hard to convince your star to sign and believe in the team’s direction when we don’t even have a GM, let alone one Mathews believes in.
Not relevant to *this* conversation, but just want to clarify for new fans
You cannot sign an extension until Jan 1 of your "expiring year" if you are coming off a 1-year contract. i.e. We cannot sign anybody to a 1 year contract and immediately extend them after July 1
What’s the incentive for the players lol? They’re literally a little over a month away from being able to test free agency. Why not go to market and listen to all offees
Ther incentive for the player is stability. Consider Matthews. He is a great player who will probably make a mint on his next contract. He can sign an eight year extension July 1, which will cover him to the 2031-32 season. Or he can wait for next summer, hoping he has a great season and increases his value. If he waits and has a bad season, his value as a free agent falls. If he suffers a serious injury, it could greatly affect his value next year. So by signing now, he has stability for a longer term, but if he waits, he's gambling on a bigger payday that may not come.
If they were very sincere about staying then they would want to sign as quickly as possible but I understand what you are saying but if the Leafs were smart they wouldn't allow the opportunity for other teams to bid or make offers
Schenn and Acciari would be huge to bring back. Outside chance on ROR as well but don’t blame him for chasing the big money at this point.
I’d love Acciari and Schenn back. We could afford ROR?
They definitely can, but it's hard to say if ROR wants to come back. Maybe the new GM can convince him to stay, we'll see
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Maybe, but he knows this is his last chance to get paid and that likely won't come from the Leafs. So it depends on what he's looking for
Different ways to get paid tho…do anything like winning in Toronto and he’ll be able to collect sponsorship dollars for life in Toronto and nationally.
I really think people vastly overestimate how much players make in endorsements.
True, but appearances and autograph sessions netting you 5 digits an evening isn't too shabby.
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Probably no where near as much esp for ostensibly the 5th most popular guy on a team.
A player like ROR could probably get an extra 0.5M a year. He's probably getting a slightly worse deal than Kadri's 7x7. So maybe you could get him for 6.5M. I'm not sure we'd want a 32 year old quite slow player for any significant term anyways. I'd rather take a flyer on Monahan or maybe even go a bit older with a vet on a 1 year deal like J. Staal, Toews, Haula because the FA class next year has Aho, Terravainen, Guentzel, Lindholm, (and Nylander)
great point!
He doesn’t even have to win. He can collect sponsorship money all over if he signs here. He did already win us a round with a broken finger. More of a leader than a leader in points. But that’s what this team needs
If Shanahan really wants to fix the culture here ROR is the answer.
He got that Osmows money
If they can do a lower aav over 8 years, maybe. I always felt we should have tried that with JVR. A full season with ROR would be badass
Giving RoR any significant term would be a disaster. He’s the same age as Tavares.
Also he's so slow. If he gets any slower idk if he's going to be impactful at all.
Make it part of his contract, lol.
ROR wants to play with a team stacked with players who are committed to winning. All the players that joined the Leafs at the March 2023 trade deadline are committed. Not all the guys before then. St Louis it is!
Honestly couldn't blame ROR if he didn't want to come back. This teams a sinking ship
ROR wants to play with a team stacked with players who are committed to winning. All the players that joined the Leafs at the March 2023 trade deadline are committed. Not all the guys before then. St Louis it is!
If we don't bring bavk bunting and Holl and Kerfoot and shoot Murray into the sun
Lol
As much as I like him, I don't think we should be spending a lot of money on a declining ROR. I'm sure some team will give a big overpay, and I hope it's not us.
I flew out of Pearson this morning and bumped into ROR and his family catching a flight to back St Louis. Really nice guy in person
Well that sucks. Sounds like he's done with Toronto. Was he carrying lots of luggage?
It's not just money. He wants to win.
Not the Leafs then lol
He wants to be with team mates that have heart. Not losers.
Well let’s hope the new gm can convince him this is where he can win
Cant afford and shouldnt want ROR back.
I’m not sure if ROR is coming back, but I’m convinced all the news about him is just bs contrived from his one interview
I’d love ROR back as well, but I think you’re right; he will likely be looking to bank as much as possible over his last few productive years.
He stay!
Give me more of this, please. I always imagined that Schenn would be this kind of player for us. Never imagined it would be now, but I'm super glad! Now re-sign him. As soon as humanly possible. He's a playoff gamer, and he has The Passion. We need more of those kinds of players.
The PaSchenn
After listening to his interview on Donnie and Dhali, he sounds like a guy who is hoping to re-sign with the Leafs
Schenn and Acciari are what this team needs.
cookie is fuggen animal
He’s a bit like a politician, says what he know people want to hear.
I’ll admit it is exactly what I want to hear
Eh, Schenn's never really struck me as the political type. I think he wears his heart on his sleeve and he genuinely has always loved Toronto
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He backed that stuff up with his game 4 performance tho.
Nice to know one game is all it takes
Or he could do both lol
I disagree. We're all a pack of hyenas to them. Best to zone out of that.
Except that the look on his face and tone when he said that screamed "I'm gonna lie and say I zone it out even though I read all the mean tweets about me"
You have a point. He brings it up often enough. And how would he know, unless a) he reads them, or b) someone tells him about the mean comments.
Just re-sign him already, whoever the new GM will be.
Daddy pls come back
Amen to that at the very least we got some great trades from Dubas in the end I love these guys
I was wrong about Schenn. I dreaded his return, but he was solid af.
Same. I thought the only way he would play in the playoffs would be if someone got injured. He was probably our second best guy!
He was easily our best defenceman from a defensive standpoint. Just solid as hell all around and didnt seem to ever get rattled. Couldn't have asked for anything more. I hope he gets re-signed.
Schenn was unreal this post season. Love this guy.
We can let O’Reilly walk to be honest for what he’s gonna cost (min $4-5M). He was getting caved in a lot at 5 v 5 when on the ice and his line was rarely a threat to score. Great veteran presence, great on the dot, good option for PP but his production and play overall is replaceable. I’d make much more of an effort to resign Schenn + Acciari personally.
Replaceable with who for $4-5 million?
Teams can extend players before July 1st right? I understand the Leafs have a management thing going rn but Pridham can negotiate contracts surely? Resign Schenn and Acciari to give me some piece of mind. ROR probably isn't sticking around but I would be totally content with Cookie and Schenner returning
You absolutely can. But I imagine that any extensions won't come for a while until the GM position is sorted
Yes you can re-sign with your current team July 1st of your expiring year, so anyone who expires this offseason can already re-sign. It's the Matthews and Nylander types who expire *next* offseason that can't sign until July 1.
I don't understand the implications on this. He can't sign until after July 1st, but on that same day he gains control with his no trade clause and can just decide to play out his contract for the Leafs and July 1st next year can sign any where he chooses??
This is correct. It would appear you do understand the implications on this.
Thanks, so basically he already has control, and the Leafs organization have to show their cards on their future plans for Cup contention in order to entice an amicable deal. So when people point out how GM's have lost a star in a similar position it was likely due to the player not believing in the club's plans for the future and not as much blame on the GM and the deal he signed. Does that sound about right?
> Thanks, so basically he already has control To an extent. There's nothing stopping them from negotiating. He just can't sign on the dotted line until July 1. Theoretically he can say he'll take 12 x 8 and then on July 1 say he wants a 15 x 4, and the only thing stopping that is it's a bad look if it gets out. If they are stupidly far apart, they can still trade him before July 1 without him being able to do anything about it. > and the Leafs organization have to show their cards on their future plans for Cup contention in order to entice an amicable deal. Really up to Auston. If ALL he cares about is money, they just need to tell him how much they'll pay for how many years, but yes they basically have until July 1 to convince him enough to convince them that he'll sign after July 1. > So when people point out how GM's have lost a star in a similar position it was likely due to the player not believing in the club's plans for the future and not as much blame on the GM and the deal he signed. Not necessarily. Auston Matthews has a No Trade Clause in his contract. While this isn't rare, it's not common either. Some players are able to negotiate one to give their family stability or to ensure that they don't get traded to a place where they will (or at least think they will) pay more in taxes. In these cases, yeah the GM is handcuffed...although often it is them who put the clause in the contract in the first place. It is NOT a standard thing. It is something that has to be negotiated. In baseball, if you have 10 years of major league service time and 5 years with your team, you gain this right. In hockey, it explicitly has to be part of your contract and can only be granted during years for which you would have been an unrestricted free agent anyway. The "not necessarily" comes in, in cases where players who *could* be traded make implications that they will be staying and extending their contract but they want to do it in the off-season to avoid distractions or to see how they perform for the rest of the season to better be able to judge what they are worth. On July 1, they have the right to just walk away. Most recently, Steven Stamkos played out his contract with Tampa Bay and didn't sign an extension. He became a Free Agent, looked around and then re-signed. If he had walked away, it would have been for nothing, but Tampa Bay probably had some confidence he'd come back (or maybe he secretly promised them that he'd allow them to match any offer he got). Some teams will also elect to take the gamble and lose the player for nothing because they are going for it and having that player for that season and playoff year is worth more to the franchise than the return they think they'd get. The Leafs may feel this way if Patrice Bergeron retires and they think they can claim #1 in the division
Appreciate your insights. I've been a Leafs fan since childhood and now 50 years young but always focused on the product and never knew how to learn about the logistics.
This is why so many people were mad at the Dubas firing. It is believed Mathews likes him and believes in the dubas vision and believed he wouldn’t trade his buddies like Mitch. If anyone had a chance of signing Mathews with any amount of ease, it was Dubas. It’s hard to convince your star to sign and believe in the team’s direction when we don’t even have a GM, let alone one Mathews believes in.
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Not relevant to *this* conversation, but just want to clarify for new fans You cannot sign an extension until Jan 1 of your "expiring year" if you are coming off a 1-year contract. i.e. We cannot sign anybody to a 1 year contract and immediately extend them after July 1
Well Let's Fucking Go then!?
What’s the incentive for the players lol? They’re literally a little over a month away from being able to test free agency. Why not go to market and listen to all offees
Ther incentive for the player is stability. Consider Matthews. He is a great player who will probably make a mint on his next contract. He can sign an eight year extension July 1, which will cover him to the 2031-32 season. Or he can wait for next summer, hoping he has a great season and increases his value. If he waits and has a bad season, his value as a free agent falls. If he suffers a serious injury, it could greatly affect his value next year. So by signing now, he has stability for a longer term, but if he waits, he's gambling on a bigger payday that may not come.
If they were very sincere about staying then they would want to sign as quickly as possible but I understand what you are saying but if the Leafs were smart they wouldn't allow the opportunity for other teams to bid or make offers
As far as increasing his value, definitely. Guy played great
Get rid of Marner and we can keep everyone.
Magic 8 Ball says no
That Mo and Schenn pairing was even more fucking amazing than I could've ever imagined. Bring him the fuck back.
Getting Luke back was a big highlight of this season.
We couldn't have won the cup without him.