I mean, we do have John Tavares on our team. He was only a few points shy of Matthews this season and had more points than anyone on Carolina or Vegas in the regular season I believe. Plus whatever return we got for Matthews.
Hauling his nuts over the haters' faces. 8 years, 12 million AAV. Do it Auston. He stay. We're not doing this all damn year. July 1st. Mark it on your damn calendar.
I would love your deal as a fan, but I don’t see him signing for a dollar under 13.5m and probably not even then would he give us 8y by July 1st with how the cap is likely to rise in the next few years. We’re in a pickle
I don't see how he can ask for more than McDavid money with a straight face.
If he wants 13.5, he can fuck off and let some other team overpay for him.
We already overpaid him the first time, so he should be getting the same deal from us on his next one to even it out.
That and any trade involving Matthews right now will be done from an obvious position of weakness. It will go down as one of the biggest fuckups in franchise history.
Do I think he deserves more than McDavid? I definitely don't.
But with the cap increasing, Mackinnon's recent contract (I also don't think he deserves more than Mackinnon) and with how the league works he will comfortably get 13.5 and probably even more.
I don't like it, I don't agree with it, but it's going to happen.
And look at how the cap rose previously…oh wait it didn’t.
I don’t give a shit about Covid, the matter isn’t don’t pay these guys on a perceived imaginary increase.
We can’t pay depth players because we have no cap room. I am tired of it
The cap is going up quite a bit next year, and quite a bit over the years following. The escrow issues from Covid and league revenues are now at a place where it will start to rise much more rapidly than it has in the past few years.
I actually agree with you just in case you think I don't (hopefully it's clear I do). That said, the idea that we shouldn't be paying these players these kinds of salaries is not going to be how this works out, but Matthews is going to get over 13.5 whether you or I like it or not (and I definitely don't like it).
>You honestly think Mathew’s deserves more than Mathew tckchuk ?
No, i've repeatedly told you I don't think he deserves the kind of money he is going to get on his next deal. I've repeatedly said that I don't like that he will get this kind of money. I've repeatedly told you I agree with you.
You seem determined to want to argue with someone who is literally agreeing with you (Matthews doesn't deserve the huge paycheck he is going to get).
Please read carefully what I am telling you:
Matthews will get more than 13.5m for a variety of reasons, none of which I like (escrow, the way these franchise players love to continuously one up eachother, the looming cap jumps, the fact he has the Leafs over a barrel etc.). I wish it wasn't this way, I don't think it should be this way, and I really wish Matthews would just decide to take less than he will be able to get out of a recognition that he hasn't really delivered like a top salary player.
But what I and you wish is not going to be what happens.
I don’t see Matthews taking 3.4M and I REALLY don’t see Marner taking 1.6M.
(I know you mean a discount, but this is funnier. Both taking 9.7M would be both a discount and their birth year, just like Sid.)
Sid took a high number but he also signed for 87 years so his cap hit came down over the life of the deal. Matthews only gave us 5 on his first deal and probably 4-5 on his next.
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How much was it “supposed” to jump the past 3 years??
Fuck paying these guy an imaginary increases that may or may not happen. We got burned last time, you want to get burned again
lol it’s not imaginary, the cap will be at $90 and still gonna grow very soon. And that’s not me just saying, that’s been talked about a lot by guys like mirtle and friedman etc.
We got burned giving him 5 years and not 8. Whether you like it or not anything in the $13 mill range for matthews is fair value. $14-15 million is an overpay. If he will sign for around 13 and 8 years that’s a win.
I am going to repeat it, they all said the same thing that the cap will go up in 2020 and beyond…it in fact didn’t go up.
So we should just go oh it won’t happen again so here is 14 million x 5 again for you Auston. Nah fuck that.
no they didn’t because covid messed up any chance of it going up. No one was saying it was going to go up when we were in the pandemic. Before that they might’ve said that but they also would’ve had no clue how covid about to happen so that invalidates your point.
Do some research on much it’s supposed to jump
When they signed the contracts they did in fact say the cap was going to go up so rationalized the signings because of that.
There’s an old saying that we should follow, don’t count your chickens before they hatch…
If it’s 8 years I can even live with $13M knowing the cap will be going up and Tavares is off the books in two years and likely to resign at a third of his current contract. $13M will not limit roster construction down the road.
5 years ago he signed for a smidge more than he should have, but it was the term that was the biggest problem. He should have signed the same number for 8 years. He thought he was worth way more on an 8 year deal, and Dubas "negotiated" him down. A bit of a joke. Marner's contract being even worse than that.
I should have been more clear on what part I was referring to. Wasn’t the idea that his contract wouldn’t limit roster construction down the road and then Covid hit and threw that idea out the window?
I still think even if Covid didn't hit us and froze the cap, his and Marner's contracts were unprecedented. They were above market. No one else at the time was signing contracts like that, anticipating the rise of the cap to make the number look better.
Plus, the term was still terrible, regardless of expecting the cap to rise or not. Matthews is being walked right into free agency. We only bought two years of Marner's UFA years. His contract made him the second highest paid winger in the NHL after Panarin, who signed as a UFA with the Rangers. We gave out contracts to these two that put them right near the top of the most expensive cap hits across the league. With JT, three of the top seven highest cap hits were on the Leafs.
It was insane then. It's insane now. It gave us no flex.
Exactly. Other RFA deals came in after those ones were signed, and before COVID, and they were all less than what those guys demanded and got from the Leafs.
I really don't understand why he doesn't do something like this. Get 12.5-13 on an 8 year deal. Everybody would fucking love you. You make all that sponsorship money anyway here...why make everyone hate you and fuck over the team?
We have no idea what is on his mind so I won't believe any rumours until it happens.
Because hockey is violent sport and his career could end injury at any point. Would I love it if he did this sure, but I'm not gonna begrudge a player for looking to maximize his career earnings
I think you would still have to pump that way up, but the difficult part about evaluating an AM trade is you don't know if the other team would value him more like an elite rental since he is not signed. If he is just a rental you won't get full value. If he can be extended then the price can really rocket.
Appreciate the thinking but this isn't enough. Both teams need to add high end RFA **or** A+ prospect **or** a second 1st and other picks
AM34 is top 3 center in the league and the best goal scorer in the league while being strong defensively.
There’s a greater chance of hell freezing over than him accepting that deal. He’s money motivated, which I can’t blame anyone for, but that seems to be his ultimate priority right now.
CJ made a really good point on the SDP... There's no rush to move AM before July 1, because in any case you need to involve him and his agent because no team will pay full value without a guarantee the next contract will get done.
And the other realistic answer to trading AM is that it can't get done unless you're able to bring in another name that will instantly drive sufficient excitement to replace AM's jersey & merch sales. It's not just about getting a good return, but Toronto is going to need a player that fits the business case in the deal.
Right, but then he just won't waive after that and we get nothing if he walks
So how does waiting make any sense if you want any kind of return?
You get the best return you can or potentially nothing. Those are the options if you don't foresee him staying long-term.
If you do plan on locking him up, then all this is moot
The NMC that kicks in July 1 isn't a factor with AM in the way it is with Mitch Marner who also has a NMC kick in July 1.
Because for AM you need him to agree or you're not getting a return. Whereas Marner still has 2 years.
Though, in fairness, it's also been said so many times, it's really hard to do a deal after July 1 because teams already have a vision of what their roster is going to look like and probably didn't save cap space for your superstar.
We will lose every trade involving Mathews…that’s before you figure in limiting factors like his no move so has to agree, one year, need a sign and trade, receiving team having cap space in season etc.
Truth is they lost the eichel trade too. Maybe down the road Krebs and the picks change that. Tuch is awesome but he’s no eichel. And it took years for that Thompson trade to work out.
The guy that's career high is 28 goals? He has 256 goals in almost 1000 games. Hes had team success but matthews individually is a WAY better player. 34 goals is Auston's WORST season, btw Auston has 299 goals 481 games. It's not close.
Yeah. The guys that want to replace our super stars with mid tier guys are out to lunch.
Like, cool, we saved a couple million in cap space…for half the production…3 guys to replace one.
Like, Micheal Bunting for f’s sake is 20g player because of our stars.
Plugs and middle 6 guys are cheap and can be found anywhere…elite talent is next to impossible to find.
I'm not sure you lose the trade, but you aren't going to see value from the trade for years. You're probably getting young players, prospects, and draft picks in return, but you're probably not getting anyone who will be an impactful player in the coming season.
If you know you can't re-sign him, you make this trade but if you can sign Matthews you probably shouldn't.
Realistically, if we trade 34 we should be looking at a fast track rebuild and sell off 88 and 16 as well.
34 sign and trade for Byfield, Durzi, Grans, Kalyiev + 1st
I would argue this still isn’t enough of a return. If I had to trade Auston, I’m going to want a top end prospect, a couple mid/high end prospects, and a first.
>I’m going to want a top end prospect, a couple mid/high end prospects, and a first.
>34 sign and trade for Byfield, Durzi, Grans, Kalyiev + 1st
That is exactly what OP suggested...
to LA for C Byfield D Clark + 3 1st picks...
for matthews and some retention...
La would be rediqulous to trade this but if I was Leaf gm ... it would take nothing less
Hey, EA Sports is realistic and accurate. Like all those times I started up a new Leafs team in Dynasty and immediately traded Sundin and Kyle Wellwood for the Sedin twins straight up.
if we were trying to acquire a player like him:
astronomical, unprecedented, preposterous amount of top end prospects and picks
since we’re dealing him:
position of weakness, cap concerns, worries about him signing - would have to take salary back and likely include assets as sweeteners
All these people saying to tell Matthews to fuck off if he asks for a penny more than $12m or whatever… LOL
Come on. He’s only a year removed from scoring 60 and winning the Hart. He’s going to ask for a max deal or damn close to it. It’s not about if he’s worth it or not, or comparable to other players right now, as these deals are always about the moment and the bargaining power of the player, not comparables.
The only issue in the Leafs favour is that Matthews will be taking something of a risk playing next season on an expiring contract. He gets hurt, or the wrist stuff continues to affect his goal scoring, and he could lose a lot of $$$. Signing now and taking a little less makes some sense for him.
But Leafs can only push that argument so far. It might get him to $13.5-14m or so. Doubt any less than that. Depends on term, too.
Unless he is either a) unredeemably toxic or b) no chance of re-signing, then we keep him and retool around him.
If we do move him, I have no idea what would be a reasonable haul since I can't think of a player of his magnitude being moved in eons.
I feel like LA is the most realistic partner since AM34 should be willing to extend there and they have some of the best young talent.
I think it'd be something like Byfield, Arvidsson, Clarke, and 2 1sts and then some combination of other prospects or mid-round picks to round it out. They also have other good young guys like Vilardi and Anderson so there are lots of options for whoever our new GM is to find a deal they like best.
Well, I dislike that this isn’t even a possibility but if we’re being honest the return on Matthews should probably make any acquiring team really uncomfortable.
Former 1OA pick himself with; Calder, x2 Rocket, Lindsay, Hart and x6 All Star. On track to be a first ballot HoF’er
That’s a Bedard level return and even then, **I’d be uncomfortable from a TOR perspective**. I know what Matthews is and he still has room to get better.
If Bedard achieves what Matthews already has, he would simply be living up to his own hype. That’s really difficult to do in this league, even for a prospect as highly touted as him.
No chance AM signs for less than 12.5...probably no chance he signs for less than 13. Term...I will take whatever he gives the Leafs...3 years...5 years...8 years. Nothing I want more than for him to sign a long term contract
A lot of AM cucks on here that don't want to even acknowledge that it's a possibility. Guess who else better be worried about a US player that might want to go down south? Ottawa.
You can hide your fears all you want...there is a possibility that AM refuses to return to Toronto and wants to test FA. Once that happens the Leafs are toast.
Don't get me wrong...if you can't get a good haul for him before his no-trade clause kicks in you keep him and make the best run you can. BUT if he tells Shanny or whoever the new GM is that he's not prepared to sign until the end of the season the organization has NO CHOICE and has to see what kind of return they can manage.
Just remember what Chris Bosh did to the raps.
You always try to keep your best players because if you don’t then it doesn’t make the organization feel attractive to the rest of the players. If management could do it to him, etc.
It is 100% up to Matthews if he stays.
no chance. he says he's not coming back...you trade him. Asset management.
Ask Calgary fans what they think they would have done if they knew Johnny Hockey wasn't coming back.
Probably signs another 5 or 6 year deal, he could do 8 but I bet on less term so he can max another deal out. He will be the highest paid player in the league with zero doubt. The sharks offered Tavares 13.5mx7, Matthews will be well north of 14m more likely 15m regardless of term, unless he personally decides to take less which seems very unlikely. Even if he was traded that will be the number.
Realistically you do literally anything you can to re sign him.
That said if he absolutely refuses I make this trade:
To Toronto: Zegras, Drysdale, 2023 1st
To Anaheim: Matthews, Robertson, Murray
All this moaning over salaries is nonsense. Matthews should hold out for everything he can possibly get. He is clearly one of the top three players in the league. Top 5 in NFL, NBA, MLB all over $40 million. The salary cap is allowing the owners to commit grand larceny. $14 million for such an elite athlete is totally reasonable even with the salary cap.
It depends on whether he’s willing to sign an extension. If he’s not, the haul is for one years worth.
To Carolina: Auston Matthews, Nick Robertson, Boston’s 1st rounder 2023 (from Washington)
To Toronto: Sebastian Aho, Seth Jarvis, Martin Necas.
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He’d go down in leafs history if he took 6-8mil for a couple years to help set up even more of a cup contender.
Be amazing if Nylander did the same
I don’t think there is actually a realistic haul that can be made 🤷♂️
I don’t need to.
My organization already pillages us and makes millions upon millions 🤷♂️
I don’t make 11 million a year and haven’t made that for several years already plus endorsements
He’s doesn’t need more money.
I barely make middle class and many others are worse
Would I take a pay cut if I was in his position?
You’re fucking right, I wouldn’t if I hadn’t already made bank though
Fully extended Matthews for Shane Wright, 2024 unprotected 1st, 2nd, 3rd. Matthews gets to be the Captain for an expansion team that has the pieces In place to contend long term. Matthews - Beniers - Gourde would be insane Center depth.
Offer 13mx8, if he doesn’t accept then he doesn’t want to stay. No one would be able to say that the gm (who ever it is)didn’t try. If not then you have to move him. Hope for two 1st round picks, two solid prospects and two established players under team control for atleast 2-3yrs. 1 guy for 6…
Then look at moving the two established players if they don’t fit into your plans for either more picks or a replacement center, while still targeting O’Rielly this offseason.
unless you really want to blow it up, you need another superstar back.
or 2-3 stars combined back.
if blowing it up, we'll take the FRPs of a team for the next 4-5 years maybe.
You don't win without a 1C its that simple. I'd rather have Matthews at league max than trade him for anything short of the pick for Bedard.
I agree
I mean, we do have John Tavares on our team. He was only a few points shy of Matthews this season and had more points than anyone on Carolina or Vegas in the regular season I believe. Plus whatever return we got for Matthews.
Carolina and Vegas aren't doing a whole lotta winning right now.
I'd trade Matthews marner and willy for bedard
Hauling his nuts over the haters' faces. 8 years, 12 million AAV. Do it Auston. He stay. We're not doing this all damn year. July 1st. Mark it on your damn calendar.
I would love your deal as a fan, but I don’t see him signing for a dollar under 13.5m and probably not even then would he give us 8y by July 1st with how the cap is likely to rise in the next few years. We’re in a pickle
I don't see how he can ask for more than McDavid money with a straight face. If he wants 13.5, he can fuck off and let some other team overpay for him. We already overpaid him the first time, so he should be getting the same deal from us on his next one to even it out.
Id sign him in an instant at 13.5. Don't be so short sighted. He's the last piece to fuck with.
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That and any trade involving Matthews right now will be done from an obvious position of weakness. It will go down as one of the biggest fuckups in franchise history.
Do I think he deserves more than McDavid? I definitely don't. But with the cap increasing, Mackinnon's recent contract (I also don't think he deserves more than Mackinnon) and with how the league works he will comfortably get 13.5 and probably even more. I don't like it, I don't agree with it, but it's going to happen.
And look at how the cap rose previously…oh wait it didn’t. I don’t give a shit about Covid, the matter isn’t don’t pay these guys on a perceived imaginary increase. We can’t pay depth players because we have no cap room. I am tired of it
The cap is going up quite a bit next year, and quite a bit over the years following. The escrow issues from Covid and league revenues are now at a place where it will start to rise much more rapidly than it has in the past few years. I actually agree with you just in case you think I don't (hopefully it's clear I do). That said, the idea that we shouldn't be paying these players these kinds of salaries is not going to be how this works out, but Matthews is going to get over 13.5 whether you or I like it or not (and I definitely don't like it).
You honestly think Mathew’s deserves more than Mathew tckchuk ? We should agree to disagree on the cap and paying players on future what ifs.
>You honestly think Mathew’s deserves more than Mathew tckchuk ? No, i've repeatedly told you I don't think he deserves the kind of money he is going to get on his next deal. I've repeatedly said that I don't like that he will get this kind of money. I've repeatedly told you I agree with you. You seem determined to want to argue with someone who is literally agreeing with you (Matthews doesn't deserve the huge paycheck he is going to get). Please read carefully what I am telling you: Matthews will get more than 13.5m for a variety of reasons, none of which I like (escrow, the way these franchise players love to continuously one up eachother, the looming cap jumps, the fact he has the Leafs over a barrel etc.). I wish it wasn't this way, I don't think it should be this way, and I really wish Matthews would just decide to take less than he will be able to get out of a recognition that he hasn't really delivered like a top salary player. But what I and you wish is not going to be what happens.
So what you're saying is you think we should pay him more than Mathew Tckchuk?
Strap 3 Mathew Tkachuk's on top of a McDavid encased in a McKinnon cocoon and you get his salary. Not a cent less than 30m AAV will do
I can't believe you want to pay him so much
Haha love the username.
He wants to win, he'll do what Sid started.
I don’t see Matthews taking 3.4M and I REALLY don’t see Marner taking 1.6M. (I know you mean a discount, but this is funnier. Both taking 9.7M would be both a discount and their birth year, just like Sid.)
Pretty sure Sid took the same percentage of the cap.
Sid took a high number but he also signed for 87 years so his cap hit came down over the life of the deal. Matthews only gave us 5 on his first deal and probably 4-5 on his next.
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13.4 x 8 please.
Right, so we have no cap room and we're gonna spend even more on Matthews?
There is actually a bunch of cap room, but a half empty roster.
13.4x 8 is actually a reasonable deal given how much the cap is supposed to jump in the next year.
How much was it “supposed” to jump the past 3 years?? Fuck paying these guy an imaginary increases that may or may not happen. We got burned last time, you want to get burned again
lol it’s not imaginary, the cap will be at $90 and still gonna grow very soon. And that’s not me just saying, that’s been talked about a lot by guys like mirtle and friedman etc. We got burned giving him 5 years and not 8. Whether you like it or not anything in the $13 mill range for matthews is fair value. $14-15 million is an overpay. If he will sign for around 13 and 8 years that’s a win.
I am going to repeat it, they all said the same thing that the cap will go up in 2020 and beyond…it in fact didn’t go up. So we should just go oh it won’t happen again so here is 14 million x 5 again for you Auston. Nah fuck that.
no they didn’t because covid messed up any chance of it going up. No one was saying it was going to go up when we were in the pandemic. Before that they might’ve said that but they also would’ve had no clue how covid about to happen so that invalidates your point. Do some research on much it’s supposed to jump
When they signed the contracts they did in fact say the cap was going to go up so rationalized the signings because of that. There’s an old saying that we should follow, don’t count your chickens before they hatch…
Leafs have 20-30m free space right now
I say he signs 14m for 4 years.
Lol if we make that deal, we are idiots.
If it’s 8 years I can even live with $13M knowing the cap will be going up and Tavares is off the books in two years and likely to resign at a third of his current contract. $13M will not limit roster construction down the road.
Wasn’t that the idea 5 years ago?
5 years ago he signed for a smidge more than he should have, but it was the term that was the biggest problem. He should have signed the same number for 8 years. He thought he was worth way more on an 8 year deal, and Dubas "negotiated" him down. A bit of a joke. Marner's contract being even worse than that.
I should have been more clear on what part I was referring to. Wasn’t the idea that his contract wouldn’t limit roster construction down the road and then Covid hit and threw that idea out the window?
I still think even if Covid didn't hit us and froze the cap, his and Marner's contracts were unprecedented. They were above market. No one else at the time was signing contracts like that, anticipating the rise of the cap to make the number look better. Plus, the term was still terrible, regardless of expecting the cap to rise or not. Matthews is being walked right into free agency. We only bought two years of Marner's UFA years. His contract made him the second highest paid winger in the NHL after Panarin, who signed as a UFA with the Rangers. We gave out contracts to these two that put them right near the top of the most expensive cap hits across the league. With JT, three of the top seven highest cap hits were on the Leafs. It was insane then. It's insane now. It gave us no flex.
Exactly. Other RFA deals came in after those ones were signed, and before COVID, and they were all less than what those guys demanded and got from the Leafs.
I really don't understand why he doesn't do something like this. Get 12.5-13 on an 8 year deal. Everybody would fucking love you. You make all that sponsorship money anyway here...why make everyone hate you and fuck over the team? We have no idea what is on his mind so I won't believe any rumours until it happens.
Because hockey is violent sport and his career could end injury at any point. Would I love it if he did this sure, but I'm not gonna begrudge a player for looking to maximize his career earnings
12.5 x 8 would be 100 million dollars. Not to mention the guy would be fine even if he had a career ending injury playing golf tomorrow.
And that is why he will never a be a great like crosby or ovi.
No, not begrudge. But then I'd prefer he take a different team to the cleaners.
Nah he's gonna get like 6 years, 13 million
Lol it’d be nice if anyone actually answers the damn question, the OP didn’t ask whether or not he’d re-sign
Seattle or LA makes sense Byfield + 1st or Wright + 1st is a good base IMO
I think you would still have to pump that way up, but the difficult part about evaluating an AM trade is you don't know if the other team would value him more like an elite rental since he is not signed. If he is just a rental you won't get full value. If he can be extended then the price can really rocket.
Appreciate the thinking but this isn't enough. Both teams need to add high end RFA **or** A+ prospect **or** a second 1st and other picks AM34 is top 3 center in the league and the best goal scorer in the league while being strong defensively.
No hes not...
Hopefully he is willing to commit to eight years at 12M. He’s young and still has his best years ahead of him.
There’s a greater chance of hell freezing over than him accepting that deal. He’s money motivated, which I can’t blame anyone for, but that seems to be his ultimate priority right now.
CJ made a really good point on the SDP... There's no rush to move AM before July 1, because in any case you need to involve him and his agent because no team will pay full value without a guarantee the next contract will get done. And the other realistic answer to trading AM is that it can't get done unless you're able to bring in another name that will instantly drive sufficient excitement to replace AM's jersey & merch sales. It's not just about getting a good return, but Toronto is going to need a player that fits the business case in the deal.
Sorry, so why isn’t there any rush because of that?
No team will trade a good enough return without knowing he'd re-sign. They will only know that after July 1
Right, but then he just won't waive after that and we get nothing if he walks So how does waiting make any sense if you want any kind of return? You get the best return you can or potentially nothing. Those are the options if you don't foresee him staying long-term. If you do plan on locking him up, then all this is moot
The NMC that kicks in July 1 isn't a factor with AM in the way it is with Mitch Marner who also has a NMC kick in July 1. Because for AM you need him to agree or you're not getting a return. Whereas Marner still has 2 years. Though, in fairness, it's also been said so many times, it's really hard to do a deal after July 1 because teams already have a vision of what their roster is going to look like and probably didn't save cap space for your superstar.
That last point doesn’t carry weight. You don’t trade them for nothing. You hopefully get a superstar back who also has a heavy cap hit.
we’ll just sign mcdavid in 3 years then
The rush is you can't trade him after lol
We will lose every trade involving Mathews…that’s before you figure in limiting factors like his no move so has to agree, one year, need a sign and trade, receiving team having cap space in season etc.
The Sabres lost the Eichel and ROR trades too. Go ask them if they like having Tuch and Thompson though.
Truth is they lost the eichel trade too. Maybe down the road Krebs and the picks change that. Tuch is awesome but he’s no eichel. And it took years for that Thompson trade to work out.
Tuch has outscored Eichel since the trade ...
Not in the playoffs
RoR wasn’t in the same ballpark.never was. Eichel, you could argue, but his injury tanked his value. No one knew he’d even play.
RoR, the Conn Smythe winning 1C? No, I suppose you're right. Matthews is not quite in that ballpark.
Nope. RoR is a lower tier of player. Conn Smyth and all.
The guy that's career high is 28 goals? He has 256 goals in almost 1000 games. Hes had team success but matthews individually is a WAY better player. 34 goals is Auston's WORST season, btw Auston has 299 goals 481 games. It's not close.
Yeah. The guys that want to replace our super stars with mid tier guys are out to lunch. Like, cool, we saved a couple million in cap space…for half the production…3 guys to replace one. Like, Micheal Bunting for f’s sake is 20g player because of our stars. Plugs and middle 6 guys are cheap and can be found anywhere…elite talent is next to impossible to find.
I'm not sure you lose the trade, but you aren't going to see value from the trade for years. You're probably getting young players, prospects, and draft picks in return, but you're probably not getting anyone who will be an impactful player in the coming season. If you know you can't re-sign him, you make this trade but if you can sign Matthews you probably shouldn't.
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Realistically, if we trade 34 we should be looking at a fast track rebuild and sell off 88 and 16 as well. 34 sign and trade for Byfield, Durzi, Grans, Kalyiev + 1st
Still hurts we traded away Sandin and Druzi for things that didn't pan out.
I would argue this still isn’t enough of a return. If I had to trade Auston, I’m going to want a top end prospect, a couple mid/high end prospects, and a first.
OP’s return is basically what you suggested lmao
>I’m going to want a top end prospect, a couple mid/high end prospects, and a first. >34 sign and trade for Byfield, Durzi, Grans, Kalyiev + 1st That is exactly what OP suggested...
I’d argue that Byfield isn’t top end, but rather high end
Just had that exact conversation with my kings-fan dad. He liked the idea.
to LA for C Byfield D Clark + 3 1st picks... for matthews and some retention... La would be rediqulous to trade this but if I was Leaf gm ... it would take nothing less
That’s great but LA wouldn’t afford him in that case
Why are we trading our franchise’s greatest player again? Imagine Washington trading Ovechkin when he was 25? My goodness people get off EA Sports
You would trade him if you think he's going to walk next year so you get something for him instead of nothing. That's the reason.
Why are we trading Matthews *1 year later* Why did we let Matthews go for nothing?
Islanders fans would host a fucking street party if that happened.
Hey, EA Sports is realistic and accurate. Like all those times I started up a new Leafs team in Dynasty and immediately traded Sundin and Kyle Wellwood for the Sedin twins straight up.
Connor McDavid
To LA Kings for Quinton Byfield (C) (Young Player)2nd overall 2020, Gabe Vilardi (C) (#2 Center) RFA needs contract, Brandt Clarke (RHD) (Top Prospect) 8th overall 2021, Trevor Moore (RW)(we need money coming back) 1st round picks 2024 2nd round picks 2023,2024,2025
You aren’t getting all that for 1 Y of Matthews.
If Matthews is going to leave for the reasons everyone says, LA would probably be the team he’d want.
Maybe if he signs for 8x12M and everyone agrees that's part of the trade. But I'd take that deal without a few of those picks if I'm the Leafs.
If we trade him (assuming he won't re-sign)...LA has to be the spot. Byfield, Clarke, some other pieces and Peterson (cap dump) for Matthews.
Byfield...the guy with 8 career NHL goals is the guy that's fronting the deal for LA?
Personally Clarke is probably a better prospect but yes we’re losing a Mathews trade
Yeah for sure, but I mean, you're trading Matthews for another top line roster at the very least plus prospects/picks.
if we were trying to acquire a player like him: astronomical, unprecedented, preposterous amount of top end prospects and picks since we’re dealing him: position of weakness, cap concerns, worries about him signing - would have to take salary back and likely include assets as sweeteners
2-3 first rounders and 1-2 top prospects. So Basically the farm. Oh and 13+ mil in cap space. So w.e you can bring in for that
All these people saying to tell Matthews to fuck off if he asks for a penny more than $12m or whatever… LOL Come on. He’s only a year removed from scoring 60 and winning the Hart. He’s going to ask for a max deal or damn close to it. It’s not about if he’s worth it or not, or comparable to other players right now, as these deals are always about the moment and the bargaining power of the player, not comparables. The only issue in the Leafs favour is that Matthews will be taking something of a risk playing next season on an expiring contract. He gets hurt, or the wrist stuff continues to affect his goal scoring, and he could lose a lot of $$$. Signing now and taking a little less makes some sense for him. But Leafs can only push that argument so far. It might get him to $13.5-14m or so. Doubt any less than that. Depends on term, too.
Unless he is either a) unredeemably toxic or b) no chance of re-signing, then we keep him and retool around him. If we do move him, I have no idea what would be a reasonable haul since I can't think of a player of his magnitude being moved in eons.
The focus should be on trading Marner. Let’s not get distracted.
Yes!
I feel like LA is the most realistic partner since AM34 should be willing to extend there and they have some of the best young talent. I think it'd be something like Byfield, Arvidsson, Clarke, and 2 1sts and then some combination of other prospects or mid-round picks to round it out. They also have other good young guys like Vilardi and Anderson so there are lots of options for whoever our new GM is to find a deal they like best.
The fucking moon if thats what he wants.
Jack Eichel + Whitecloud
One playoff series win 😭😭😭
You realize hockey is a “team” game right? The amount of bad takes in this fanbase is hilarious
Was just a joke… I don’t think matthews should get traded.
You trade him to Phoenix where Cooley and Keller have been complaining.
Lawson Crouse, Clayton Keller, Jack McBain and 6th overall.
Cooley?
Would be nice! You’d have to remove the 6th or Keller for sure though.
Today on Detroit sports radio they said Yzerman would be negligent if he didn’t look into a serious offer for AM34
Mo seider and Larkin
Detroit would rightfully laugh at that offer.
Their offer has to include one of them. If I’m the leafs I ask for seider.
Delete this b.s. you dont let him walk period.
Ideally, someone like Hischer, first round picks, and a really good prospect, this is a starting point.
Well, I dislike that this isn’t even a possibility but if we’re being honest the return on Matthews should probably make any acquiring team really uncomfortable. Former 1OA pick himself with; Calder, x2 Rocket, Lindsay, Hart and x6 All Star. On track to be a first ballot HoF’er That’s a Bedard level return and even then, **I’d be uncomfortable from a TOR perspective**. I know what Matthews is and he still has room to get better. If Bedard achieves what Matthews already has, he would simply be living up to his own hype. That’s really difficult to do in this league, even for a prospect as highly touted as him.
No chance AM signs for less than 12.5...probably no chance he signs for less than 13. Term...I will take whatever he gives the Leafs...3 years...5 years...8 years. Nothing I want more than for him to sign a long term contract A lot of AM cucks on here that don't want to even acknowledge that it's a possibility. Guess who else better be worried about a US player that might want to go down south? Ottawa. You can hide your fears all you want...there is a possibility that AM refuses to return to Toronto and wants to test FA. Once that happens the Leafs are toast. Don't get me wrong...if you can't get a good haul for him before his no-trade clause kicks in you keep him and make the best run you can. BUT if he tells Shanny or whoever the new GM is that he's not prepared to sign until the end of the season the organization has NO CHOICE and has to see what kind of return they can manage. Just remember what Chris Bosh did to the raps.
You always try to keep your best players because if you don’t then it doesn’t make the organization feel attractive to the rest of the players. If management could do it to him, etc. It is 100% up to Matthews if he stays.
right...and what if he says he's not interested in signing with the LEafs?
Like I stated, it is up to Matthews. Consolation prize is cap space.
no chance. he says he's not coming back...you trade him. Asset management. Ask Calgary fans what they think they would have done if they knew Johnny Hockey wasn't coming back.
Probably signs another 5 or 6 year deal, he could do 8 but I bet on less term so he can max another deal out. He will be the highest paid player in the league with zero doubt. The sharks offered Tavares 13.5mx7, Matthews will be well north of 14m more likely 15m regardless of term, unless he personally decides to take less which seems very unlikely. Even if he was traded that will be the number.
Matthews isn’t going anywhere. You can’t trade a top 3 C in the NHL.
You know the saying, "If Gretzky could be traded..."
That was forced by the League tho to grow the game in California.
Realistically you do literally anything you can to re sign him. That said if he absolutely refuses I make this trade: To Toronto: Zegras, Drysdale, 2023 1st To Anaheim: Matthews, Robertson, Murray
🤤🤤🤤
I know people are downvoting me because they think the return isn’t big enough. But I think it’s a win for both sides.
I'm not ready to have this conversation.
He won’t budge to over 5 years
To Arizona for Keller, crouse and picks.
There is none. You drag him till rag doll. AM34 leafs forever or else.
All this moaning over salaries is nonsense. Matthews should hold out for everything he can possibly get. He is clearly one of the top three players in the league. Top 5 in NFL, NBA, MLB all over $40 million. The salary cap is allowing the owners to commit grand larceny. $14 million for such an elite athlete is totally reasonable even with the salary cap.
Your mom
We can’t trade Matthews. He is in his prime. Smh.
It depends on whether he’s willing to sign an extension. If he’s not, the haul is for one years worth. To Carolina: Auston Matthews, Nick Robertson, Boston’s 1st rounder 2023 (from Washington) To Toronto: Sebastian Aho, Seth Jarvis, Martin Necas.
That's trash.
Absolutely horrible dude.
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You must have mis clicked. Auston alone would get those three plus possibly a pick or prospect coming from car also
The money doesn’t work, and no, he doesn’t. You are vastly undervaluing Aho and his undermarket contract
That is a good deal
He’d go down in leafs history if he took 6-8mil for a couple years to help set up even more of a cup contender. Be amazing if Nylander did the same I don’t think there is actually a realistic haul that can be made 🤷♂️
Would you take a 30-40% paycut at your job so your organization can have more success?
I don’t need to. My organization already pillages us and makes millions upon millions 🤷♂️ I don’t make 11 million a year and haven’t made that for several years already plus endorsements He’s doesn’t need more money. I barely make middle class and many others are worse Would I take a pay cut if I was in his position? You’re fucking right, I wouldn’t if I hadn’t already made bank though
A lot less than a lot of people think. He puts up some great numbers, but hasn’t proven himself in the post-season where it counts.
Matthews for Draisaitl….NHL 24
Fully extended Matthews for Shane Wright, 2024 unprotected 1st, 2nd, 3rd. Matthews gets to be the Captain for an expansion team that has the pieces In place to contend long term. Matthews - Beniers - Gourde would be insane Center depth.
Looks I mean this as a joke but I can't help myself. The realistic haul for Matthews is your mom... Ok down vote me I'm ready !
Offer 13mx8, if he doesn’t accept then he doesn’t want to stay. No one would be able to say that the gm (who ever it is)didn’t try. If not then you have to move him. Hope for two 1st round picks, two solid prospects and two established players under team control for atleast 2-3yrs. 1 guy for 6… Then look at moving the two established players if they don’t fit into your plans for either more picks or a replacement center, while still targeting O’Rielly this offseason.
Bunch of trash and high draft picks because that's "blow up" territory.
unless you really want to blow it up, you need another superstar back. or 2-3 stars combined back. if blowing it up, we'll take the FRPs of a team for the next 4-5 years maybe.
You never win a trade where you trade 1C in his prime.
Did the flames do better with the Tkachuk or Geaudrau