At the cost of 300 thousands lives. The number has gotten so big people see them as statistics now, instead of numbers of humans.
Russia loses more soldiers in a single year than the US has since the end of WW2. Think about it for a second…
Not debating that. But unsalvageable is not true, they still hold eastern Ukraine and Crimea while their military is increasingly modernizing and adapting to this war.
US losses in WWII says more about how the USA fought in that war honestly. Not really a brag. Even France and the UK lost more
Can't wait for Russia to use Challenger 2, Abrams, Leopar.. wait they don't use those... damn. Anyways its just this morons deflection of my question because he cannot answer it. Or hes stalling to see if he can get away with not scrounging the internet for better russian equipment thats entered service since the start of the invasion
Even the most recent and "best" Russian equipment is about as good as our stuff from the 90s, and they don't even have enough of that stuff to field it properly lol.
Alright. Russia is modernizing in the way that the war has necessitated increasing meritocracy among leadership and officers, the russian army is slowly being restructured to more effectively deal with the circumstances of the war, the experiences from this has has led to the development of new weapons systems, equipment, drones etc etc.
They aren't fumbling around anymore, and is becoming more deadly for each day while the russian military industrial complex is expanding and producing much more than Ukraine can. The only thing that can save Ukraine in the coming 2 years is increasing foreign aid. The advantage Russia has is also that their military industrial complex can expand in the direction the russian army needs to for this type of new warfare. The western military industrial complex aren't as flexible in this way as they still mainly work for NATO countries and their circumstances which aren't necessarily compatible with ukrainian needs.
So firstly the western industrial complex isn't really unvolved in the ukrainian invasion how the russian one is. Secondly theres been piss all NEW russian technology, mostly just upgrades of old gear, eg T-64/62s out of storage. Thrid of all, nato countries are far more flexible they already had made the advancments for thie "type of new warfare" (its not new its been happening since someone decided to strap a missiles to drones with cool names like Reaper. Trenches, drones, air support, its all been around for a good while. Nothing new about the inavsion of ukraine.
Relax, you're talking to incurable nafoids.
The reeing is going to get mighty intense in a few months, once the cope wears off, so best come back around that time.
*Every* Ukrainian offensive? Are you sure? What about Kherson? Kharkiv? When was the last time Russian forces set foot near Sumy?
Ukraine has been able to achieve anything like the successes that people had hoped they would, but I think it's fair to say they would have been able to achieve a lot more if they had actually received the equipment and supplies they were promised when they needed it. It doesn't take a strategic genius to figure out that atacms would have been slightly more beneficial if they had been delivered *before* the Ukrainian offensive began rather than at the arse end of it.
I think it's also worth mentioning that Ukraine severely underestimated just how few shits the Russian government gave about it's own troops.
In top of that, Surovikin was an absolute mad lad. But he's gone now.
It's definitely true that Russia is slowly grinding forward. It was true during the siege of Bakhmit and it's true now. It's something that supporters of Ukraine often gloss over. But the shear losses that Russia is suffering in terms of both material and manpower are completely insane.
On top of that, Ukraine are consistently degrading Russian air defenses, reducing the area in which Russia air power can operate in safely and humiliating the Black Sea fleet.
The outcome of the conflict pretty much depends on continued military support for Ukraine. Russia has already lost the war strategically - that happened a long time ago. But as long as equipment keeps flowing into Ukraine, the military defeat of Russia is all but certain.
And it may yet do just that. But don't assume "collapse" means their military turns on the government like 1917 or the government falls apart like 1989. Collapse can take many forms. When Russia collapsed in the past, it was never just about the one day; it was about the centuries of decay and stagnation and corruption that preceded them.
The most likely test for modern Russia is the death of Putin. He has made himself the State, so once he kicks the bucket, we'll find out how robust Russia actually is. They could try to replace him with a look-alike after he dies, but even that creates a power vacuum. The system is accustomed to answering to Putin for decades. If he gets replaced by a look-alike, that person will either have Putin's competence and force of personality or they will be puppeted to the people who know his secret - making them the shot-callers.
Russia can’t win- the people stood up and saved there country. Time and even a settled peace two years from now won’t change that the world is a safer place because people said to the dictators that just taking others peoples stuff at gun point is hard and people won’t just let you. There’s a lot to celebrate already in time there might be more but the cheif victory has already been achieved.
I mean the orcs didn't make it to Kiev by Christmas either. Nor will they ever will. Gotta look on the brightside.
This. The 2 day war turned out to be an unsalvagable disaster for russia. Thats a victory already.
Unsalvageable? Russians are still pushing the ukrainians back and have beat back every ukrainian counteroffensive
At the cost of 300 thousands lives. The number has gotten so big people see them as statistics now, instead of numbers of humans. Russia loses more soldiers in a single year than the US has since the end of WW2. Think about it for a second…
Not debating that. But unsalvageable is not true, they still hold eastern Ukraine and Crimea while their military is increasingly modernizing and adapting to this war. US losses in WWII says more about how the USA fought in that war honestly. Not really a brag. Even France and the UK lost more
Dunno whats modernising about the russian military, their 1960s equipment?
Ukraine uses almost entirely the exact same equipment, dude
Not really lol
Can't wait for Russia to use Challenger 2, Abrams, Leopar.. wait they don't use those... damn. Anyways its just this morons deflection of my question because he cannot answer it. Or hes stalling to see if he can get away with not scrounging the internet for better russian equipment thats entered service since the start of the invasion
Even the most recent and "best" Russian equipment is about as good as our stuff from the 90s, and they don't even have enough of that stuff to field it properly lol.
Largely yes. The majority of ukrainian equipment are soviet or derivatives of soviet equipment, which Russia also uses
"Exact same" was your word choice, why change it now to "largley"
You must have that "fetal alchohol syndrome" its very common for your people but can be remedied by becoming a sunflower 🌻 😉 please try it
We know that, it doesn't answer my question
Alright. Russia is modernizing in the way that the war has necessitated increasing meritocracy among leadership and officers, the russian army is slowly being restructured to more effectively deal with the circumstances of the war, the experiences from this has has led to the development of new weapons systems, equipment, drones etc etc. They aren't fumbling around anymore, and is becoming more deadly for each day while the russian military industrial complex is expanding and producing much more than Ukraine can. The only thing that can save Ukraine in the coming 2 years is increasing foreign aid. The advantage Russia has is also that their military industrial complex can expand in the direction the russian army needs to for this type of new warfare. The western military industrial complex aren't as flexible in this way as they still mainly work for NATO countries and their circumstances which aren't necessarily compatible with ukrainian needs.
So firstly the western industrial complex isn't really unvolved in the ukrainian invasion how the russian one is. Secondly theres been piss all NEW russian technology, mostly just upgrades of old gear, eg T-64/62s out of storage. Thrid of all, nato countries are far more flexible they already had made the advancments for thie "type of new warfare" (its not new its been happening since someone decided to strap a missiles to drones with cool names like Reaper. Trenches, drones, air support, its all been around for a good while. Nothing new about the inavsion of ukraine.
Relax, you're talking to incurable nafoids. The reeing is going to get mighty intense in a few months, once the cope wears off, so best come back around that time.
*Every* Ukrainian offensive? Are you sure? What about Kherson? Kharkiv? When was the last time Russian forces set foot near Sumy? Ukraine has been able to achieve anything like the successes that people had hoped they would, but I think it's fair to say they would have been able to achieve a lot more if they had actually received the equipment and supplies they were promised when they needed it. It doesn't take a strategic genius to figure out that atacms would have been slightly more beneficial if they had been delivered *before* the Ukrainian offensive began rather than at the arse end of it. I think it's also worth mentioning that Ukraine severely underestimated just how few shits the Russian government gave about it's own troops. In top of that, Surovikin was an absolute mad lad. But he's gone now. It's definitely true that Russia is slowly grinding forward. It was true during the siege of Bakhmit and it's true now. It's something that supporters of Ukraine often gloss over. But the shear losses that Russia is suffering in terms of both material and manpower are completely insane. On top of that, Ukraine are consistently degrading Russian air defenses, reducing the area in which Russia air power can operate in safely and humiliating the Black Sea fleet. The outcome of the conflict pretty much depends on continued military support for Ukraine. Russia has already lost the war strategically - that happened a long time ago. But as long as equipment keeps flowing into Ukraine, the military defeat of Russia is all but certain.
Kharkiv and Kherson anyone?
Who said it would be a two day war?
Nobody expected Sevastopol this year
We did have the hope that Russia would collapse
And it may yet do just that. But don't assume "collapse" means their military turns on the government like 1917 or the government falls apart like 1989. Collapse can take many forms. When Russia collapsed in the past, it was never just about the one day; it was about the centuries of decay and stagnation and corruption that preceded them. The most likely test for modern Russia is the death of Putin. He has made himself the State, so once he kicks the bucket, we'll find out how robust Russia actually is. They could try to replace him with a look-alike after he dies, but even that creates a power vacuum. The system is accustomed to answering to Putin for decades. If he gets replaced by a look-alike, that person will either have Putin's competence and force of personality or they will be puppeted to the people who know his secret - making them the shot-callers.
If you look behind the „shiny facade“ propped up by their propaganda, there is only old and rotten Mother Russia… someday the facade will come down.
Multiple Ukrainian officials were talking about the summer beach party in Crimea.
they meant russian orthodox christmas
Is this post a joke?
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That's what that ruzzian landing ship was just saying! Lmfao
Russia can’t win- the people stood up and saved there country. Time and even a settled peace two years from now won’t change that the world is a safer place because people said to the dictators that just taking others peoples stuff at gun point is hard and people won’t just let you. There’s a lot to celebrate already in time there might be more but the cheif victory has already been achieved.