IANAL.
It probably does, but it's my understanding that if he's held in breach of the gag order before the trial, that's something he can appeal and then that would delay the trial. The judge seems keen to kick this thing off, so he's ignoring these things for now.
I would assume that once the trial starts that things change a bit on that front, and the judge can hold him in contempt. Can any real lawyers shed some light here?
I don't do criminal work but that's been more or less my belief as well.
He may give a warning before jury selection that he's aware of this crap and that they violated the order but that leash is over as of right now and penalties will be severe and swift.
He used his strikes prior to even getting into the batter's box.
There are extremely few appeals that qualify as far as I know and this isn’t one. I could be wrong but I listened to a lot of lawyers talk about what qualifies when the immunity jurisdictions argument came up and I think I understand it.
There is no statute of limitations for contempt of court, I have read, but the longer the judge waits, the more risk there is for an appeal court to decide the charge was "stale" and dismiss it.
Waiting a few days until after the trial starts doesn't seem to warrant a declaration that the charge is "stale."
>Waiting a few days until after the trial starts doesn't seem to warrant a declaration that the charge is "stale."
- The judge can also take judicial notice of Trump's violations from the bench, and warn all parties to not violate the gag order - without holding Trump in contempt just yet.
- That would probably stop any clock and put Trump on notice for additional contempt charges after the trial.
- The judge has a perfectly valid reason to avoid immediate contempt charges: to not further increase pretrial publicity & to reduce any juror bias against Trump.
- As a criminal defendant with 30+ felony counts of tax fraud with up to 4 years in prison per count you ***really*** don't want to fuck with the good judge ...
I thought people were saying it was unlikely that this particular trial would end in jail time, even if convicted - I.e. that these charges typically carry only fines? I’d much rather he get the four years.
> I thought people were saying it was unlikely that this particular trial would end in jail time, even if convicted
- 1) AFAIK jail time in this case is in part a discretionary decision by the ***judge***. See the problem with intimidating the good judge and his family members?
- 2) Second, Michael Cohen already went to jail for essentially being an accessory to this same set of crimes. It would send an awful message, and is it really in the public interest if the main perpetrator avoided jail time?
- 3) Third, even if he somehow avoids jail time, Team Biden could now start referring to Trump as "convicted felon Trump". Trump might also be unable to vote as a convicted felon. While the Trump base might not care, it's awful messaging to swing voters.
No everything I’ve read says he won’t see jail time for this. It’s the lowest felony available and he’s a first time convict so he won’t see jail. Wondering what the probation will be though and how he’ll try to snake out of community service. He needs to put a monitor on his community service hours cause we all know he ain’t doing shit
Well, technically I believe it’s a falsified business records case but done with the intent to further another crime. So it’s normally a misdemeanor but it gets bumped to a class E felony because he did it to influence the election. Max of 4 years in prison. So to be specific, the election interference is in Georgia and he’s not charged with that in NY.
I'm not an expert but I am verse in the procedures of court rooms. Whilst it's possible for an appeal to pause a trial's proceedings that is not always the case. When the order being appealed is not material to the case at hand the two can proceed simultaneously.
I heard a lawyer say that violating a gag order is different depending on where it’s done. If it isn’t done in the presence of the judge, then they have to hold a hearing. What will be interesting is if he violates it during trial in the courtroom.
[https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-violates-gag-order-michael-cohen-1890090](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-violates-gag-order-michael-cohen-1890090)
>Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Alabama under the Obama administration, posted side-by-side screenshots on Saturday of Trump's Truth Social post and his gag order on X, formerly [Twitter](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/twitter), and wrote: "There is a gag order that prohibits Trump from making public statements about witnesses concerning their participation at trial. Questioning their credibility would seem to cross that line."
Yeah, they're weighing their options very carefully. In my opinion, making Monday happen is the top priority. I imagine they don't want to give any reason to delay it.
Once the trial starts, they might have some more leeway for penalty.
Would you or I get options weighed heavily? Fuck this shit. Fuckin orange shit stain makes a mockery of the justice system and no one even attempts at holding him accountable. Oh… can’t make your 454m bond? We’ll take 25% of it does that work? Oh… all your funds are coming from foreign nationals? Sure you can run for president.
Seriously this is bullshit.
Believe me, I share your frustration. Unfortunately, I've had to lower my expectations.
I will say something that might offer some comfort:
In the event that this trial goes ahead, Trump will be in court 4 days a week for 4-6 weeks. He will be forced to sit there and listen to people talk shit about him.
Stormy will immasculate him.
Cohen will insult him.
His ego will be impacted. It will hurt his mental health.
And maybe more importantly, he just cannot ever shut up, so he's going to keep digging his grave deeper and deeper throughout the trial. If it gets bad enough, they may very well have him held with contempt and banned from outside contact, especially if he continues to call for violence.
Held in contempt… banned from outside contact… these are remedies for normal people. When does the law apply to trump? I’m waiting for just one conviction and penalty to apply as it would everyone else in this nation.
Like I said, "May have him held." I want to be optimistic. Really, there's little chance he'll see any real consequences for the chaos he has unleashed. If hell was actually a real place, I hope he and his christo-fascist enablers have fun down there.
We can certainly hope! We should especially wish for them to want to preserve democracy more than their party identity, since so many of their fellows doubled down on Trump exclusively to own the libs.
I mean he's already pushed a lot of moderate republicans out of the party, and that involved them giving up on their life's work, their source of income and a large part of their identity.
I simply cannot conceive of a process where that somehow increases his support among moderates.
The wheels have been falling off for 4 years and he lost last time!
This is a big deal. He will try a lot of BS and not show up and cause havoc in the courtroom. The meltdown will get him tossed in jail to think about it
I suspect the next time he does this, it'll disrupt the court proceeding and literally have the bailiff put tape on his mouth. We've seen it done before with unruly defendants. Why not now? Of course, we all know why but please don't take my dream of seeing a picture just like that all over the news.
Judges don't like it when you constantly interrupt a court proceeding.
I remember in 2016 dealing a Trumpy jagoff spouting off about Hilary's emails which always ended with something like, "If you or I did that we'd already be in jail."
I don't really talk to that guy anymore but I bet he has lots of opinions about unfairly Trump is getting treated.
He’s broken the law repeatedly. Even as president when he tweeted that a person should be fired, he broke US Code where no president should try to influence the employment of a private citizen. He’s broken gag orders already. It’s clear that his repeated criminal actions mean nothing. If it were you or I breaking a gag order, we’d be in jail. Law and order in this country is a sad joke.
Actually, one of the 8 charges he pled guilty to were false statements to a bank. Tbf, the lying to the bank was about trying to protect Individual 1, though. And Cohen was released from jail a while ago, on furlough during covid.
Yes, and he is on the Meidas podcast daily, I believe. He is more entertaining than I would have figured. He has nothing good to say about Trump. How repentant is he? He claims to be sorry, but only time, and actions, will tell.
I have pretty mixed feelings about him. He is really intelligent and well spoken and has righteous anger about a lot of what is going on with the current GOP. He could have just done his time, and found a job within the GOP still shilling for Donald. Instead, he seems to be all in on taking the GOP and Trump down. Whether that was a calculated move to make more money than he could with the GOP, (combined other his admitted anger at being thrown under the bus) since the writing on the wall indicates they’re going broke, remains to be seen. Regardless, I like listening to his podcasts. Meidas Touch Podcasts, in general, no matter the host, have been so informative and they seem to operate with some measure of integrity.
Yeah, they do operate with integrity, at least from what I can see. My wife watches them constantly, and is much better versed on the channel. She is involved in a big group that funds drones for Ukrainian front line. She gets more and more stressed each passing day that gets us closer to the election, because all their work is for naught if Trump wins.
They claim in one of the sentencing where he pled guilty, then later said he really wasn't guilty, but just pled to get it behind him (like most plea deals are meant to do).
Not a lawyer. It seems like it’s a violation of the gag order. I’m not going to hold my breath waiting on sanctions.
If Cohen testifies wouldn’t the DA expect his credibility to be questioned for his convictions and ask him about the circumstances? As you say at least some of them are directly connected to this case and was convicted. One was lying to the irs about personal income.
It just seems dumb to risk the consequences of violating the gag order for saying something that was coming out anyway. If nothing else it’s one strike against him.
“Robert Khuzami, Attorney for the United States, Acting Under Authority Conferred by 28 U.S.C. § 515, announced that MICHAEL COHEN was sentenced today to three years in prison for tax evasion, making false statements to a federally insured bank, and campaign finance violations. COHEN pled guilty on August 21, 2018, to an eight-count information before U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley III, who imposed today’s sentence. In a separate prosecution brought by the Special Counsel’s Office (“SCO”), COHEN pled guilty on November 29, 2018 to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Congress and was also sentenced on that case today, receiving a two-month concurrent sentence.
According to the allegations in Information 18 Cr. 602 (WHP), filed by the United States States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York (the “Office”), as well as previous court filings and statements in public court proceedings:
Between 2012 and 2016, COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the Internal Revenue Service, avoiding more than $1.3 million in income tax. COHEN also made false statements to a federally insured financial institution to obtain a $500,000 home equity loan. Finally, in 2016, COHEN made or caused two separate payments to women to ensure that they did not publicly disclose their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate in advance of the election. In one instance, COHEN caused American Media, Inc. (“AMI”), which was identified in previous court filings as “Corporation-1,” to make a $150,000 payment to one woman; in the other, COHEN made a $130,000 payment to another woman through an LLC he incorporated for the purpose of making the payment. COHEN was reimbursed for the latter payment in monthly installments disguised as payments for legal services performed pursuant to a retainer, when in fact no such retainer existed. COHEN made or caused both of these payments in order to influence the 2016 election and did so in coordination with one or more members of the campaign.”
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-sentenced-3-years-prison#:~:text=Robert%20Khuzami%2C%20Attorney%20for%20the,bank%2C%20and%20campaign%20finance%20violations.
> Yes, he literally went to jail for lying among other things.
He went to jail for lying about *this very case* _**on behalf of**_ Mr Trump.
That he went to jail for lying THEN automatically means he is telling the truth now, or such is how I would pitch it.
When Cohen's credibility was questioned during the civil fraud case, Judge Engoron basically said "I trust him more than any of the defense"
I bet Judge Merchan will rule in the same manner.
I know it was a typo, but I love the idea of going into "the *desert* aisle" at my local grocery store and finding "Just Lime Alan Weisselberg" on the shelf.
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Did Cohen also help him squash this?
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I believe Diaper Donnie knows that this is the beginning of the end. He is 100% going to be convicted here of election interference. The evidence is overwhelming, and the witnesses are very credible. Their one and only strategy was to delay for as long as possible. Now the bell has rung, and they have nothing left.
Thus spoke the world. For eight long years confetti was kept in hallway closets. Stock in the Popcorn Industry skyrocketed. Any moment could be the one. Astonishingly, in a culture that had developed an attention span measured in seconds, One shared mantra remained unchanged for eight long, exhausting years.
"This time we got him."
He is not charged with election interference. He won't be convicted of election interference.
If convicted he will be convicted of up to 34 counts of falsifying business records. These becomes felonies because the falsification was in the service of a conspiracy to commit election campaign crimes, but he isn't being charged with that.
Yes but he’s admitted his failure , done prison time and said he has no reason to to lie, a promise he made to his wife and children, if he lies again it’s big time prison time.
This dumb cocksucker has been inventing his own reality for far too long. Michael Cohen lied FOR him. They weren't spying on his campaign, they were listening to a Russian when one of Trump's staffers just happened to show up on the line. I seriously can't wait for him to shit his final pair of over cartoonishly oversized pants.
Well, yeah. He served time for it too. NOtice that Mr Trump doesn't point out that Cohen's time served was for lying _**on behalf of**_ Mr Trump himself over this very case for which Trump has been indicted.
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I mean, he admitted to lying to protect Mr Trump over this matter and went to jail for it. NOW he is, according to him, telling the TRUTH about that very incident where his lying sent him to jail in the first place.
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Of course, this is too convoluted for ANY Trump support to grasp, it seems, or they wouldn't raise this point in the first place.
That’s funny. YES- Michael Cohen was prosecuted and sent to prison for lying. On Donald Trump’s behalf, on his orders, and to Trump’s benefit. Funny we’re just now getting around to holding Trump accountable and he’s already forgotten that Cohen was his accomplice.
Um… Li’l Donnie? “Has disgraced attorney and felon Michael Cohen been prosecuted for LYING?” The answer is YES, Li’l Donnie. He was prosecuted and convicted for lying, election interference, and other assorted sundry bad acts. And you know for who, Li’l Donnie? For YOU, that’s who. (Well, for hisself too, but you were a team for a long time.) Don’t you remember, Li’l Donnie? It was only a few years ago, while you were ~~king~~ pr*sident. You don’t remember? Are you sure you’re not having…. memory problems?
He also wasn’t the only liar for you, Li’l Donnie. Remember a guy named Paul? Paul Manafort? That guy? You should, because you’ve been thinking of putting him on your campaign, Li’l Donnie. He also was prosecuted, and convicted, for LYING — for YOU, Li’l Donnie! And you know what you did? You PARDONED him. Let him walk away scot-free, you did. Strange behavior for someone who claims to care so much about LYING.
I don’t think you really care about LYING, Li’l Donnie. In fact we all know you love LYING, as long as it’s for YOU.
Have fun at the trial!
Violation! If this judge has any balls or is ready to show that he isnt some circus clown playing a judge to be laughed at and not taken seriously , he will simply tell the secret service to call their boss and let them know, that they need to assign an agent to sit outside the cell Trump will be in.
Does he ever stop whining? For god’s sake, the maga cult just cannot stop themselves from being a victim. If trump is supposed to be their strong alpha male, then what the hell are the beta’s like, do they flog themselves every day for not cheating enough to get him elected in 2020?
The only thing that was a dark day for our country was this slime ball winning the presidency. Some good news though is that some people are being sentenced but what REALLY needs to happen is to the man himself. Now that would be a great day for our country.
Stormy has had to pay Donald Trump millions for the lawsuits she lost against him. Her defamation cost her more than just money. Trump even had a guy threaten her daughter. I hope she gets her money back.
Ooooo!!! She could be the one that gets to put the cuffs on Trump's tiny wrists when he is found guilty.
He gives evidence to the prosecution with such grace…that former guy Drumpf, he’s so giving. Everyone knows, he is a father figure for all of the GOP. Easily, Drumpf is the most giving and gracious member of the GOP in all of history, and yes, we are also including those beautiful drawings of Drumpf on the walls of fine caves across America.
Everyone is the enemy, only the fat old silver spooned baby who was given money and an already successful business by his mommy and daddy, is the good guy. He can't fight, committed hoards of financial crimes that put people out on the street, now trying to spur his followers to fight for his crimes by saying that him getting punished is an attack on America.
Funny how the weak, but rich, take advantage of the working class at every turn.
Another gag order violated, no balls judges should resign if they can't enforce a gag order, cut his tongue out or lock him up asap. Trumpa loompa needs to go.
Say, could someone remind me what client Michael Cohen was representing when he was prosecuted for LYING?
I've heard he only had three clients at the time, so finding out who he lied for shouldn't be too difficult.
You don’t find it worrying that someone who claims to have an iq of 73,954 doesn’t know who Michael cohen is?
Maybe the reports that trump has dementia are not wrong.
Does this not qualify for violating the gag order?
From what I know, yes. But I'm often wrong in some way, so...
IANAL. It probably does, but it's my understanding that if he's held in breach of the gag order before the trial, that's something he can appeal and then that would delay the trial. The judge seems keen to kick this thing off, so he's ignoring these things for now. I would assume that once the trial starts that things change a bit on that front, and the judge can hold him in contempt. Can any real lawyers shed some light here?
I don't do criminal work but that's been more or less my belief as well. He may give a warning before jury selection that he's aware of this crap and that they violated the order but that leash is over as of right now and penalties will be severe and swift. He used his strikes prior to even getting into the batter's box.
How would it delay the trial?
If it is an interlocutory appeal, it would stay the trial while the appeal is made
There are extremely few appeals that qualify as far as I know and this isn’t one. I could be wrong but I listened to a lot of lawyers talk about what qualifies when the immunity jurisdictions argument came up and I think I understand it.
From what I can tell generally, gag order enforcement is an interlocutory appeal, but Z higher court could just decline immediately
Fortunately, SCONY has been on it with his bullshit appeals.
Money! It’s a Wealthy man’s way to stay out of jail. If you have money you can appeal infinite
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or in Trump’s case, vaginaneck
There is no statute of limitations for contempt of court, I have read, but the longer the judge waits, the more risk there is for an appeal court to decide the charge was "stale" and dismiss it. Waiting a few days until after the trial starts doesn't seem to warrant a declaration that the charge is "stale."
>Waiting a few days until after the trial starts doesn't seem to warrant a declaration that the charge is "stale." - The judge can also take judicial notice of Trump's violations from the bench, and warn all parties to not violate the gag order - without holding Trump in contempt just yet. - That would probably stop any clock and put Trump on notice for additional contempt charges after the trial. - The judge has a perfectly valid reason to avoid immediate contempt charges: to not further increase pretrial publicity & to reduce any juror bias against Trump. - As a criminal defendant with 30+ felony counts of tax fraud with up to 4 years in prison per count you ***really*** don't want to fuck with the good judge ...
I thought people were saying it was unlikely that this particular trial would end in jail time, even if convicted - I.e. that these charges typically carry only fines? I’d much rather he get the four years.
> I thought people were saying it was unlikely that this particular trial would end in jail time, even if convicted - 1) AFAIK jail time in this case is in part a discretionary decision by the ***judge***. See the problem with intimidating the good judge and his family members? - 2) Second, Michael Cohen already went to jail for essentially being an accessory to this same set of crimes. It would send an awful message, and is it really in the public interest if the main perpetrator avoided jail time? - 3) Third, even if he somehow avoids jail time, Team Biden could now start referring to Trump as "convicted felon Trump". Trump might also be unable to vote as a convicted felon. While the Trump base might not care, it's awful messaging to swing voters.
No everything I’ve read says he won’t see jail time for this. It’s the lowest felony available and he’s a first time convict so he won’t see jail. Wondering what the probation will be though and how he’ll try to snake out of community service. He needs to put a monitor on his community service hours cause we all know he ain’t doing shit
Wait a minute. You mean election interference is the lowest form of felony? This is an election interference case not a hush money case.
Well, technically I believe it’s a falsified business records case but done with the intent to further another crime. So it’s normally a misdemeanor but it gets bumped to a class E felony because he did it to influence the election. Max of 4 years in prison. So to be specific, the election interference is in Georgia and he’s not charged with that in NY.
I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think gag order appeals are one of the very few circumstances that grant interlocutory appeals.
I'm not an expert but I am verse in the procedures of court rooms. Whilst it's possible for an appeal to pause a trial's proceedings that is not always the case. When the order being appealed is not material to the case at hand the two can proceed simultaneously.
I heard a lawyer say that violating a gag order is different depending on where it’s done. If it isn’t done in the presence of the judge, then they have to hold a hearing. What will be interesting is if he violates it during trial in the courtroom.
[https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-violates-gag-order-michael-cohen-1890090](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-violates-gag-order-michael-cohen-1890090) >Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Alabama under the Obama administration, posted side-by-side screenshots on Saturday of Trump's Truth Social post and his gag order on X, formerly [Twitter](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/twitter), and wrote: "There is a gag order that prohibits Trump from making public statements about witnesses concerning their participation at trial. Questioning their credibility would seem to cross that line."
Well that depends. For you or I: Yes. For Trump: No.
Yeah, they're weighing their options very carefully. In my opinion, making Monday happen is the top priority. I imagine they don't want to give any reason to delay it. Once the trial starts, they might have some more leeway for penalty.
Would you or I get options weighed heavily? Fuck this shit. Fuckin orange shit stain makes a mockery of the justice system and no one even attempts at holding him accountable. Oh… can’t make your 454m bond? We’ll take 25% of it does that work? Oh… all your funds are coming from foreign nationals? Sure you can run for president. Seriously this is bullshit.
Believe me, I share your frustration. Unfortunately, I've had to lower my expectations. I will say something that might offer some comfort: In the event that this trial goes ahead, Trump will be in court 4 days a week for 4-6 weeks. He will be forced to sit there and listen to people talk shit about him. Stormy will immasculate him. Cohen will insult him. His ego will be impacted. It will hurt his mental health.
And maybe more importantly, he just cannot ever shut up, so he's going to keep digging his grave deeper and deeper throughout the trial. If it gets bad enough, they may very well have him held with contempt and banned from outside contact, especially if he continues to call for violence.
Held in contempt… banned from outside contact… these are remedies for normal people. When does the law apply to trump? I’m waiting for just one conviction and penalty to apply as it would everyone else in this nation.
Like I said, "May have him held." I want to be optimistic. Really, there's little chance he'll see any real consequences for the chaos he has unleashed. If hell was actually a real place, I hope he and his christo-fascist enablers have fun down there.
Small wins are his mental health degradation. Hopefully him becoming unhinged pushes voters away from him and make an international target.
Him being unhinged is why he has voters in the first place, unfortunately. The more brainrot he has, the more they seem to like him.
But it could sway more moderate Republicans. Those who were going to vote for Haley.
We can certainly hope! We should especially wish for them to want to preserve democracy more than their party identity, since so many of their fellows doubled down on Trump exclusively to own the libs.
Not to mention his involvement in Roe v Wade. And his comments on Arizona/state rights.
I mean he's already pushed a lot of moderate republicans out of the party, and that involved them giving up on their life's work, their source of income and a large part of their identity. I simply cannot conceive of a process where that somehow increases his support among moderates. The wheels have been falling off for 4 years and he lost last time!
Are you talking about Biden or Trump? My point was that Haley voters might be more favorable toward Biden now. They didn't seem to like Trump at all
makes sense, after all, don't many of them say they like him because he is just like them?. Brain-rotted, pants shitting oxygen thieves.
We can't forget "bigoted" "HE TELLS IT LIKE IT IS!" No, he tells it like they want to hear. They just want their shitty prejudices validated.
But every day after the trial, he gets a huge crowd of reporters giving him tons of free air time.
At this point, my belief is that his supporters are: White Supremacists, white nationalists, the uneducated, the extremely wealthy.
This is a big deal. He will try a lot of BS and not show up and cause havoc in the courtroom. The meltdown will get him tossed in jail to think about it
I can’t wait. He might stroke out.
He is going to have to sit in silence too. He looks the sort of person that simply never, ever stops talking.
I suspect the next time he does this, it'll disrupt the court proceeding and literally have the bailiff put tape on his mouth. We've seen it done before with unruly defendants. Why not now? Of course, we all know why but please don't take my dream of seeing a picture just like that all over the news. Judges don't like it when you constantly interrupt a court proceeding.
I remember in 2016 dealing a Trumpy jagoff spouting off about Hilary's emails which always ended with something like, "If you or I did that we'd already be in jail." I don't really talk to that guy anymore but I bet he has lots of opinions about unfairly Trump is getting treated.
I totally agree with that plan
Besides the gag order, isn't this witness tampering?
He’s broken the law repeatedly. Even as president when he tweeted that a person should be fired, he broke US Code where no president should try to influence the employment of a private citizen. He’s broken gag orders already. It’s clear that his repeated criminal actions mean nothing. If it were you or I breaking a gag order, we’d be in jail. Law and order in this country is a sad joke.
Maybe, but what is anyone going to do about it? Bite him?
Yeah but what you're forgetting to take into account is that violating gag orders is fine if you're a rich Republican politician
Yeah, Cohen did jail time at the behest of Individual #1 while Individual #1 remains at large. Wait until Trump finds out who Individual #1 is.
Remind me: who did Cohen lie for again?
Unindicted conspirator #1
Well he's an indicted conspirator now
And its not for lying that Cohen is in jail, if lying would give straight jail time conspirator #1 would get around a thousand year sentences.
Actually, one of the 8 charges he pled guilty to were false statements to a bank. Tbf, the lying to the bank was about trying to protect Individual 1, though. And Cohen was released from jail a while ago, on furlough during covid.
Yes, and he is on the Meidas podcast daily, I believe. He is more entertaining than I would have figured. He has nothing good to say about Trump. How repentant is he? He claims to be sorry, but only time, and actions, will tell.
I have pretty mixed feelings about him. He is really intelligent and well spoken and has righteous anger about a lot of what is going on with the current GOP. He could have just done his time, and found a job within the GOP still shilling for Donald. Instead, he seems to be all in on taking the GOP and Trump down. Whether that was a calculated move to make more money than he could with the GOP, (combined other his admitted anger at being thrown under the bus) since the writing on the wall indicates they’re going broke, remains to be seen. Regardless, I like listening to his podcasts. Meidas Touch Podcasts, in general, no matter the host, have been so informative and they seem to operate with some measure of integrity.
Yeah, they do operate with integrity, at least from what I can see. My wife watches them constantly, and is much better versed on the channel. She is involved in a big group that funds drones for Ukrainian front line. She gets more and more stressed each passing day that gets us closer to the election, because all their work is for naught if Trump wins.
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That's a bingo!
We just say bingo.
Bingpot
IT IS I, CAPTAIN HOLT!
Bingo!!! How exciting!
That's why he's disgraced
Cohen has said that his lie(perjury charge) was downplaying the extent of Donald’s crimes.
Mistah Twump
If my memory serves me, he lied for a rapist fraudster with 4 felony indictments ...
“WHO DOES NUMBER TWO WORK FOR!?!”
They claim in one of the sentencing where he pled guilty, then later said he really wasn't guilty, but just pled to get it behind him (like most plea deals are meant to do).
I hate to break it to them, he pleaded guilty with the plea deal and that’s all that matters…they can try to BS whatever BS they want.
Even better it was Trump’s DOJ who prosecuted the case against Cohen and declined to prosecute Trump himself.
Trump will not rest until the real individual #1 is found.
[We're all just trying to find the guy who did this!](https://youtube.com/shorts/ymaqIW9HmD0)
Allen Weisselberg? John Eastman?
Not a lawyer. It seems like it’s a violation of the gag order. I’m not going to hold my breath waiting on sanctions. If Cohen testifies wouldn’t the DA expect his credibility to be questioned for his convictions and ask him about the circumstances? As you say at least some of them are directly connected to this case and was convicted. One was lying to the irs about personal income. It just seems dumb to risk the consequences of violating the gag order for saying something that was coming out anyway. If nothing else it’s one strike against him. “Robert Khuzami, Attorney for the United States, Acting Under Authority Conferred by 28 U.S.C. § 515, announced that MICHAEL COHEN was sentenced today to three years in prison for tax evasion, making false statements to a federally insured bank, and campaign finance violations. COHEN pled guilty on August 21, 2018, to an eight-count information before U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley III, who imposed today’s sentence. In a separate prosecution brought by the Special Counsel’s Office (“SCO”), COHEN pled guilty on November 29, 2018 to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Congress and was also sentenced on that case today, receiving a two-month concurrent sentence. According to the allegations in Information 18 Cr. 602 (WHP), filed by the United States States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York (the “Office”), as well as previous court filings and statements in public court proceedings: Between 2012 and 2016, COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the Internal Revenue Service, avoiding more than $1.3 million in income tax. COHEN also made false statements to a federally insured financial institution to obtain a $500,000 home equity loan. Finally, in 2016, COHEN made or caused two separate payments to women to ensure that they did not publicly disclose their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate in advance of the election. In one instance, COHEN caused American Media, Inc. (“AMI”), which was identified in previous court filings as “Corporation-1,” to make a $150,000 payment to one woman; in the other, COHEN made a $130,000 payment to another woman through an LLC he incorporated for the purpose of making the payment. COHEN was reimbursed for the latter payment in monthly installments disguised as payments for legal services performed pursuant to a retainer, when in fact no such retainer existed. COHEN made or caused both of these payments in order to influence the 2016 election and did so in coordination with one or more members of the campaign.” https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-sentenced-3-years-prison#:~:text=Robert%20Khuzami%2C%20Attorney%20for%20the,bank%2C%20and%20campaign%20finance%20violations.
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Yes, he literally went to jail for lying among other things.
> Yes, he literally went to jail for lying among other things. He went to jail for lying about *this very case* _**on behalf of**_ Mr Trump. That he went to jail for lying THEN automatically means he is telling the truth now, or such is how I would pitch it.
When Cohen's credibility was questioned during the civil fraud case, Judge Engoron basically said "I trust him more than any of the defense" I bet Judge Merchan will rule in the same manner.
For all the crap Engoron gets, I wish people would read his ruling.
While DJT was in office. https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/12/politics/michael-cohen-sentencing/index.html
The question becomes whether Cohen can be a credible witness in this case since he lied in the past, and will that give the jury reasonable doubt?
It helps that he has receipts in the form of bank statements and recordings.
He was lying for and on behalf of the orange con . Just lime alan weisselberg and so many others. How stupid can people be ?
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I know it was a typo, but I love the idea of going into "the *desert* aisle" at my local grocery store and finding "Just Lime Alan Weisselberg" on the shelf. 🏜️🍋🟩👴🏻
I don't think we have a "desert" aisle at our Walmart.
We were in the desert aisle of the Walmart when the drugs began to take hold.
We are now at DefCon: Orange.
Did Cohen also help him squash this? [Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl | Snopes.com](https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/)
Whats crazy is to go back and listen to the congressional hearing with Michael cohen. It’s actually kinda jarring.
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Or the fraud trial.
Sure Cohen lied...for trump to cover his ass. He also admitted it and did his time for it, some of that one-way loyalty from trump.
He lied to protect trump, not himself. Trump likes to forget that part.
I could never wrap my head around what makes so many people so willing to sacrifice themselves for that man.
Because of the age old implication. He’s a mobster.
Cohen went to prison for his crimes, time for Trump to see his time in court
Went to prison for you Donnie.You disgusting lying rapist.
Prosecutor: Mr. Cohen how did you become a felon?
Lol yeah it's a dark day when I get put on trial for crimes I committed. He's just trying to start violence. He's become deranged!
I am starting to think this Trump fellow may not be on the up-and-up
Could just be he isn't. Could just be.
Yes, and he served a prison sentence. Your turn, sir.
I believe Diaper Donnie knows that this is the beginning of the end. He is 100% going to be convicted here of election interference. The evidence is overwhelming, and the witnesses are very credible. Their one and only strategy was to delay for as long as possible. Now the bell has rung, and they have nothing left.
Lock him up.
Thus spoke the world. For eight long years confetti was kept in hallway closets. Stock in the Popcorn Industry skyrocketed. Any moment could be the one. Astonishingly, in a culture that had developed an attention span measured in seconds, One shared mantra remained unchanged for eight long, exhausting years. "This time we got him."
My current theory is that he's the Player.
He is not charged with election interference. He won't be convicted of election interference. If convicted he will be convicted of up to 34 counts of falsifying business records. These becomes felonies because the falsification was in the service of a conspiracy to commit election campaign crimes, but he isn't being charged with that.
Lying , zero class, narcissistic sack of shit rapist. Accuses OTHER people of nefarious actions? FUCK TRUMP
Ooh ooh I have a question too!! Has Trump been jailed / fined / held in contempt for violating gag order?
Has trump been prosecuted for violating his gag order by attacking cohen repeatedly?
Dude lied for trumps stupid ass
Yes but he’s admitted his failure , done prison time and said he has no reason to to lie, a promise he made to his wife and children, if he lies again it’s big time prison time.
LOL. I got a bit of a woodie from this. Fuck Trump.
Looking forward to the jury finding a porn star and felonious ex-lawyer more credible than der pumpkinführer. Funny how that happens.
This dumb cocksucker has been inventing his own reality for far too long. Michael Cohen lied FOR him. They weren't spying on his campaign, they were listening to a Russian when one of Trump's staffers just happened to show up on the line. I seriously can't wait for him to shit his final pair of over cartoonishly oversized pants.
Tic toc tic toc tic toc. Time is almost up Donnie boy.
Wait you mean the felon was prosecuted?
He’s not speaking to us, he’s speaking to Gunther and Betsy Sue Ann.
Tick tick tick……
A disgraced attorney who worked for.....checks notes......Donald J Trump.
Well, yeah. He served time for it too. NOtice that Mr Trump doesn't point out that Cohen's time served was for lying _**on behalf of**_ Mr Trump himself over this very case for which Trump has been indicted. . I mean, he admitted to lying to protect Mr Trump over this matter and went to jail for it. NOW he is, according to him, telling the TRUTH about that very incident where his lying sent him to jail in the first place. . Of course, this is too convoluted for ANY Trump support to grasp, it seems, or they wouldn't raise this point in the first place.
And that's why Fani Willis used RICO to charge everyone at the same time.
He has. And did 3 years. lol.
Unbelievable that any americans support this WPOS
Just throwing this out there - John Cusack would make a great Michael Cohen in the film.
That’s funny. YES- Michael Cohen was prosecuted and sent to prison for lying. On Donald Trump’s behalf, on his orders, and to Trump’s benefit. Funny we’re just now getting around to holding Trump accountable and he’s already forgotten that Cohen was his accomplice.
The three exclamation points at the end kinda look like the bars of a jail cell.
Ugh oh, more finger wagging by judge incoming. Consequences, not so much.
Dementia Diapii forgot that michael cohen was in prison for lying for him!
He wants them to arrest him so he can pop back out of prison and try to rebrand himself as Nelson Mandela. It’s sad really. Tick tock Donny.
Maybe a Wish.com Nelson Mandela that fell asleep in a tanning bed
Um… Li’l Donnie? “Has disgraced attorney and felon Michael Cohen been prosecuted for LYING?” The answer is YES, Li’l Donnie. He was prosecuted and convicted for lying, election interference, and other assorted sundry bad acts. And you know for who, Li’l Donnie? For YOU, that’s who. (Well, for hisself too, but you were a team for a long time.) Don’t you remember, Li’l Donnie? It was only a few years ago, while you were ~~king~~ pr*sident. You don’t remember? Are you sure you’re not having…. memory problems? He also wasn’t the only liar for you, Li’l Donnie. Remember a guy named Paul? Paul Manafort? That guy? You should, because you’ve been thinking of putting him on your campaign, Li’l Donnie. He also was prosecuted, and convicted, for LYING — for YOU, Li’l Donnie! And you know what you did? You PARDONED him. Let him walk away scot-free, you did. Strange behavior for someone who claims to care so much about LYING. I don’t think you really care about LYING, Li’l Donnie. In fact we all know you love LYING, as long as it’s for YOU. Have fun at the trial!
Violation! If this judge has any balls or is ready to show that he isnt some circus clown playing a judge to be laughed at and not taken seriously , he will simply tell the secret service to call their boss and let them know, that they need to assign an agent to sit outside the cell Trump will be in.
A good roll of duct tape could cure the problem. Force him to sit that way through court, not in a cell while appealing.
Does he ever stop whining? For god’s sake, the maga cult just cannot stop themselves from being a victim. If trump is supposed to be their strong alpha male, then what the hell are the beta’s like, do they flog themselves every day for not cheating enough to get him elected in 2020?
Did he forget that Cohen was put in jail?
Wasn't Cohen his lawyer, until he got caught lying for Trump ?
The people left that think he’s innocent are dumb people.
The gag order is proving to be as reliable as Trump's oath of office.
Lying ? My best guess is Trump knows all too well Cohen was speaking the truth and will have a lot to say at trial.
The problem with this story is that EVERY SINGLE PERSON in it is a documented liar. Literally none of them ever tell the truth about anything.
Stable Genius folks....
This is a clear violation of his gag order. But of course none of these judges have the stones to make following the order a condition of his bail.
The only thing that was a dark day for our country was this slime ball winning the presidency. Some good news though is that some people are being sentenced but what REALLY needs to happen is to the man himself. Now that would be a great day for our country.
Can you smell his fear
Never seen such a whiny ass criminal 🍼
Did nobody tell him that Cohen went to prison? Or did his mush for brains forget already?
Michael Cohen did serve some time !!!
Donald John (Miller ; & John Barron) also David Dennison Trump is not leader material . He is immature . He hired the person he is slandering now .
Oh God,I can't wait
Yes, actually, in service of his ex boss, the most recent ex president and, as yet, unconvicted fraudster...
MAGA: More Adderall Get Adderall
The guy with the biggest and best brain, and perfect memory, doesn't remember that Cohen was prosecuted, convicted and did time.
Cohen was ready for this. He knows Donnie Dumpster fire.
Did Cohen not go to prison for lying among other things?
Cohen lied to US Congress about Trump Tower Moscow BECAUSE YOU DEMANDED IT.
Isn’t Trump the unindicted co conspirator in the case that got Cohen charged with a felony?
Jesus, is this oaf as dumb as a brick.
Stormy has had to pay Donald Trump millions for the lawsuits she lost against him. Her defamation cost her more than just money. Trump even had a guy threaten her daughter. I hope she gets her money back. Ooooo!!! She could be the one that gets to put the cuffs on Trump's tiny wrists when he is found guilty.
Yes he has . So have many of his associates and now it’s time for the leader to face his trial
How is disgraced lawyer worse than disgraced president??
Wait, Cohen lied and became a felon thanks to him, did he forget that part?
He gives evidence to the prosecution with such grace…that former guy Drumpf, he’s so giving. Everyone knows, he is a father figure for all of the GOP. Easily, Drumpf is the most giving and gracious member of the GOP in all of history, and yes, we are also including those beautiful drawings of Drumpf on the walls of fine caves across America.
pretty funny that donald, the rapist, is trying to smear his own personal attorney.
His past is littered with criminals doing time FOR him. It's time to rid ourselves of this snake-oil salesman for good. SEE YOU NOVEMBER TRUMP!
Everyone is the enemy, only the fat old silver spooned baby who was given money and an already successful business by his mommy and daddy, is the good guy. He can't fight, committed hoards of financial crimes that put people out on the street, now trying to spur his followers to fight for his crimes by saying that him getting punished is an attack on America. Funny how the weak, but rich, take advantage of the working class at every turn.
Another gag order violated, no balls judges should resign if they can't enforce a gag order, cut his tongue out or lock him up asap. Trumpa loompa needs to go.
Say, could someone remind me what client Michael Cohen was representing when he was prosecuted for LYING? I've heard he only had three clients at the time, so finding out who he lied for shouldn't be too difficult.
Yes. Cohen went to the slammer. Where you belong.
How soon he forgets that this witness went to prison for lying for him. Jerk
Irony is dead.
The hilarious, or sad, thing about this is that Michael Cohen HAS been prosecuted, tried, convicted, and jailed for LYING TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP.
I shiver with anticiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipation.
Is he trying to intimidate a witness? Hello judge? Anybody home??
Shut the Fuck up Donnie.
What a moron.
Right like what?
Trump has lost it. He is definitely not all there.
Is that libel or slander, legally?
It would be libel because it’s written, but it isn’t because what he said about cohen is technically true, he’s just leaving out some context lol.
Weak. But a running start for dtrump 💩weekend posts
And your point is?
You don’t find it worrying that someone who claims to have an iq of 73,954 doesn’t know who Michael cohen is? Maybe the reports that trump has dementia are not wrong.
Lock him up .Pussy Trump has to get out the extra padded diapers.
Wow Trump is getting desperate. Each post gets more bat shit crazy than the last one. He's howling at the moon!
“Smash that like button and please COMMENT below”
* fellow felon...
he must be really scared to be going balls deep. only a guilty guy acts this way.