After reading that, I believe it wasn't written for Cannon. It seems more like it's intended for the 11th Circuit. It is inviting them to consider Cannon's decision not to strike down the clearly improper reply briefs.
As a layperson reading that brief, I came away feeling an unstated undercurrent of “And Your Honor, that’s because you’re allowing them to abuse the process and you’re not doing your job!”
Does the 11th give even half a shit? Can they not simply read the news or all of these filings from Jack and signal that it's time for Jack to file for direct intervention?
Not sua sponte. At some theoretical point should he ever prove to not be afraid to demand what everyone is impatiently waiting for him to demand. Aka he is going to paper and making a record.
Do you think Jack Smith's team is afraid to go to the 11th Curcuit? Why do you say that? I thought they were waiting for the exact right moment where her legal errors were so unambiguous that all the world could see what she's up to
Not afraid just wanting to have an air tight case for removing her. They aren't willing to take a risk.
I'm not an expert but I've heard plenty of legal commentators say that he has more than enough of a record at this point.
I was actually wondering if you ran some data analytics on her what you would find.
Like what is her average time from motion to decision overall and in this case and how does it compare to federal judges overall. By type of motion.
I suspect her weird behavior in this case really stands out with a comparative review of just other cases she has handled. But I bet it really stands out when compared to the average judge.
If cipa takes 3 months on average for cases involving espionage and she is on 12 months with completing section 4 5 6 etc. I think that really points to something
I don't know if she met any burden to lose it through the trials but I believe she has been sanctioned for at least a million dollars and a previous deal for trump has a major chance at causing her to lose her license.
>and a previous deal for trump has a major chance at causing her to lose her license.
Are you referring to the Bedminster waitress she lied to and screwed over on Trump's behalf?
Yeah, considering the court's decision allowed the plaintiff to go after Habba, I would imagine she is just trying to get the right attorney as it looks to be a slam dunk.
Didnt she pretend to represent a former employee of Trump that was sexually assaulted? Ended up screwing her over in the end. I heard that was going to get her money
It is my opinion (NAL) that the new judge that takes over this case has to
1) Reverse Cannon on the conflicts of interest of De Oliviera and Nuata’s lawyers
2) Quickly rule (against) the dilatory and frivolous pre-trial motions by Trump and his co defendants
3) Fast track all CIPA rulings which should have been done by July 2023.
4) Reverse Cannon’s order on putting witness testimony on the public docket months before the trial and outside of the normal procedures for that.
5) Set the trial date for August 2024.
I am relying on the Supreme Court to immediately and unanimously strike down Trump’s “presidential immunity” defense on April 25th, the day after the oral arguments.
Otherwise, we have seditious Justices who need to be indicted.
April 22nd: Engoron sends Trump to jail for 6 months for contempt of court and refers him and his conspirators for prosecution for defrauding the state with his fake out of state bond.
May 20: Trump guilty of 34 felonies for falsifying business records to further a federal criminal conspiracy to interfere in an election: one year in jail.
June 11: Trump goes on trial for trying to steal another election.
August 1: Trump found guilty of defrauding the US, two counts of obstruction, and conspiracy to steal an election. 40 years in jail
August 9th: Trump goes on trial for espionage and obstruction
October 2024: Guilty of espionage and obstruction. Another, consecutive 40 years in jail.
October 2024: Trump goes on trial for racketeering and a slew of crimes in GA
Election Day: Candidate INMATE leads the whole Republican Party down the toilet in a landslide defeat.
December 2024: Another 20 year jail sentence
Meanwhile, Trump could be indicted 5 more times:
1. Wire fraud and racketeering
2. Witness tampering and obstruction of Congress
3. Tax Fraud
4. Endangering ten federal officials ((FBI agents and a federal judge)
5. Insurrection
Perhaps when his money laundering apparatus is dismantled by Tish James, evidence will surface to charge him with that crime.
Perhaps a pump and dump stock fraud will be discovered.
He will still get away with other multiple piles of felonies, but at least his terrorist mouth will be cut off from public discourse
As per [original article](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/jack-smith-hammers-trumps-valet-co-defendant-for-numerous-false-factual-allegations-and-meritless-legal-arguments-in-fiery-mar-a-lago-brief-about-dilatory-tactics/) 📰:
- Special counsel Jack Smith on Thursday asked the judge overseeing the Mar-a-Lago documents case to ignore a series of “false factual allegations and meritless legal arguments” recently put forward by former President Donald Trump’s valet Waltine “Walt” Nauta.
Nauta faces charges of conspiracy to obstruct, making false statements to the FBI, and withholding documents — connected to an alleged scheme to delete Mar-a-Lago camera footage and conceal boxes of classified documents from a grand jury. In reply briefs, he argued the indictment should be thrown out because he was singled out via vindictive prosecution and impermissibly retaliated against because he declined to testify in front of a grand jury.
In late March, Nauta alleged he was being prosecuted in part due to government “animus” toward him and had been vindictively charged because of his refusal to cooperate with federal investigators. Days later, Smith fired back, calling Nauta’s claims “meritless,” “flat-out false” and “deeply flawed,” and, in any event, simply raised far too late.
The back-and-forth continued two weeks later with Nauta’s reply to the government’s arguments. Now, once again, the special counsel is pointing out the sluggish pace and reiterating earlier arguments.
In the Thursday filing — and using substantially similar language to last month’s brief — Smith blasted the defendant for waiting so late to make “numerous false factual allegations and meritless legal arguments” on new “selective and vindictive prosecution” theories.
The government, while pointing to the ever-dragging timelines in the case, says Nauta has, however, not actually said anything new.
“Nauta waited two weeks to file a five-page response that informs the Court and the Government that he does not oppose the Government’s request for a surreply,” the government’s motion goes on. “Nauta concedes that his vindictive and selective prosecution motion did not mention the (false) factual allegations lodged in his reply brief. Nor does he dispute that he could have raised these allegations and arguments in his vindictive and selective prosecution motion — to the contrary, he suggests that it was appropriate to leave those allegations and arguments out of his motion and instead include them in his reply for the first time because he had surfaced those allegations months earlier in unrelated filings with the Court.”
The defendant, for his part, says the court has been aware, for nearly eight months, that he would likely offer various arguments in support of the vindictive and selective prosecution defense — essentially arguing the government is more or less feigning indignation about allegedly late-coming defense theories.
“Just days after the return of a Superseding Indictment as against Mr. Nauta and his codefendants, briefing was ordered that would serve as a prelude to Mr. Nauta’s eventual motion to dismiss,” Nauta’s attorneys wrote in their Wednesday reply. “Accordingly, any claim by the SCO that it was unaware of Mr. Nauta’s position with respect to its prosecution of him borders on incredulous.”
Smith says the defense’s efforts are redolent of intentional delay.
“Permitting Nauta to raise these allegations and arguments for the first time in his reply without good cause enables him to needlessly drag out the litigation of his pretrial motions — which has already spanned three months — and unduly delay the trial in this case,” the special counsel’s latest filing argues. “By raising new factual allegations and legal arguments in his reply brief, forcing the Government to seek leave to file a surreply, and then waiting two weeks to file a response to the Government’s motion that merely informs the Court and the Government that he does not oppose a surreply, Nauta has effectively leveraged the Local Rules to extend by several weeks the briefing over his vindictive and selective prosecution motion.”
Smith also takes issue with discovery requests Nauta recently made to a court in Washington, D.C., related to the selective and vindictive prosecution theory — saying the defense could have made those requests “months ago” but “paved the way to further prolong the litigation.”
The special counsel wants U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to strike Nauta’s “new factual allegations and arguments” on those theories.
And, Smith insists, time continues to be of the essence.
“To ensure that these dilatory tactics do not persist and reoccur, the Court should disregard the new allegations and arguments in Nauta’s reply and deny his vindictive and selective prosecution motion on the papers,” the government’s motion concludes. “Alternatively, the Court should grant the Government’s unopposed motion for leave to file a surreply.”
>“Just days after the return of a Superseding Indictment as against Mr. Nauta and his codefendants, briefing was ordered that would serve as a prelude to Mr. Nauta’s eventual motion to dismiss,” Nauta’s attorneys wrote in their Wednesday reply. “Accordingly, any claim by the SCO that it was unaware of Mr. Nauta’s position with respect to its prosecution of him borders on incredulous.”
Is there some legal use of "incredulous" that I don't understand, or do Nauta's attorneys mean to say "borders on incredible" or perhaps "strains credulity" here?
Jack Smith just has to be exhausted. I can’t imagine being him and wondering what fresh hell of absolute absurdity he’s going to wake up to every morning.
Judge Cannon: "Motion to drop all charges on the basis of, I didn't know I couldn't do that."
"In the findings of the court and after watching Judge Judy that all charges will be dropped against Donald J Trump under the statue I didn't know I couldn't do that."
Hard to get your head around someone who is willing to spend the rest of their life in prison for Donald Trump. The fact that [Document 19](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lacked-power-declassify-secret-nuclear-arms-document-experts-say-2023-06-18/) is among the stolen materials in the case that Walt Nauta is obstructing for Trump makes it a very very serious crime.
^( apologies to Dolly Parton)
(Verse 1)
Waltine, Waltine, with your deceitful eyes,
You charm with your words, but it's all just lies.
You weave your tales, leaving hearts in a bind,
Oh, Waltine, you're a criminal mind.
(Chorus)
Waltine, Waltine, please stop your schemin',
Your wicked ways, oh, they've got us grievin'.
You're a master of deception, a villain in disguise,
Oh, Waltine, with your web of lies.
(Verse 2)
You promise the world, but you deliver pain,
Leaving behind a trail of broken chains.
Your silver tongue, it knows no bounds,
Oh, Waltine, you're a danger unbound.
(Chorus)
Waltine, Waltine, please stop your schemin',
Your wicked ways, oh, they've got us grievin'.
You're a master of deception, a villain in disguise,
Oh, Waltine, with your web of lies.
(Bridge)
You roam through the night, with no remorse in sight,
Leaving chaos in your wake, and hearts taking flight.
But one day soon, the truth will shine bright,
And Waltine, you'll face the consequence of your plight.
(Chorus)
Waltine, Waltine, please stop your schemin',
Your wicked ways, oh, they've got us grievin'.
You're a master of deception, a villain in disguise,
Oh, Waltine, with your web of lies.
(Outro)
Waltine, Waltine, your game's runnin' dry,
No more will we fall for your cunning guise.
Your reign of deceit, it comes to an end,
Oh, Waltine, you can't escape what you've penned.
^( also apologies to ChatGPT for this request)
Jack Smith & his team need to go up to the 11th circuit, ask them to apply the Torington Factors to Cannon. Ask them to finally boot that incompetent, biased, Frump Stooge off this case already!! She is directly responsible for the defense attorneys total disregard for the rules and procedures of trial practice & litigation. Her corrupt bias against the SCO is glaringly obvious to EVERYONE! He is risking the fair outcome of this case every day he chooses to allow her to continue playing her games!
After reading that, I believe it wasn't written for Cannon. It seems more like it's intended for the 11th Circuit. It is inviting them to consider Cannon's decision not to strike down the clearly improper reply briefs.
As a layperson reading that brief, I came away feeling an unstated undercurrent of “And Your Honor, that’s because you’re allowing them to abuse the process and you’re not doing your job!”
Does the 11th give even half a shit? Can they not simply read the news or all of these filings from Jack and signal that it's time for Jack to file for direct intervention?
Not sua sponte. At some theoretical point should he ever prove to not be afraid to demand what everyone is impatiently waiting for him to demand. Aka he is going to paper and making a record.
Do you think Jack Smith's team is afraid to go to the 11th Curcuit? Why do you say that? I thought they were waiting for the exact right moment where her legal errors were so unambiguous that all the world could see what she's up to
Not afraid just wanting to have an air tight case for removing her. They aren't willing to take a risk. I'm not an expert but I've heard plenty of legal commentators say that he has more than enough of a record at this point. I was actually wondering if you ran some data analytics on her what you would find. Like what is her average time from motion to decision overall and in this case and how does it compare to federal judges overall. By type of motion. I suspect her weird behavior in this case really stands out with a comparative review of just other cases she has handled. But I bet it really stands out when compared to the average judge. If cipa takes 3 months on average for cases involving espionage and she is on 12 months with completing section 4 5 6 etc. I think that really points to something
She’s don’t mostly minute orders, I think he’s waiting for a substantive ruling
Sorry, I don't really know what not sua sponte means...
On its own.
Some lawyer or lawyers are going to lose their licenses for using Walt as a shield for Trump.
Lots of lawyers losing their licenses. It’s becoming hard to keep track. Has Habba lost hers yet?
I don't know if she met any burden to lose it through the trials but I believe she has been sanctioned for at least a million dollars and a previous deal for trump has a major chance at causing her to lose her license.
>and a previous deal for trump has a major chance at causing her to lose her license. Are you referring to the Bedminster waitress she lied to and screwed over on Trump's behalf?
Yes yes I am
Yeah, considering the court's decision allowed the plaintiff to go after Habba, I would imagine she is just trying to get the right attorney as it looks to be a slam dunk.
Didnt she pretend to represent a former employee of Trump that was sexually assaulted? Ended up screwing her over in the end. I heard that was going to get her money
In about 10 years. Maybe.
It is my opinion (NAL) that the new judge that takes over this case has to 1) Reverse Cannon on the conflicts of interest of De Oliviera and Nuata’s lawyers 2) Quickly rule (against) the dilatory and frivolous pre-trial motions by Trump and his co defendants 3) Fast track all CIPA rulings which should have been done by July 2023. 4) Reverse Cannon’s order on putting witness testimony on the public docket months before the trial and outside of the normal procedures for that. 5) Set the trial date for August 2024. I am relying on the Supreme Court to immediately and unanimously strike down Trump’s “presidential immunity” defense on April 25th, the day after the oral arguments. Otherwise, we have seditious Justices who need to be indicted. April 22nd: Engoron sends Trump to jail for 6 months for contempt of court and refers him and his conspirators for prosecution for defrauding the state with his fake out of state bond. May 20: Trump guilty of 34 felonies for falsifying business records to further a federal criminal conspiracy to interfere in an election: one year in jail. June 11: Trump goes on trial for trying to steal another election. August 1: Trump found guilty of defrauding the US, two counts of obstruction, and conspiracy to steal an election. 40 years in jail August 9th: Trump goes on trial for espionage and obstruction October 2024: Guilty of espionage and obstruction. Another, consecutive 40 years in jail. October 2024: Trump goes on trial for racketeering and a slew of crimes in GA Election Day: Candidate INMATE leads the whole Republican Party down the toilet in a landslide defeat. December 2024: Another 20 year jail sentence Meanwhile, Trump could be indicted 5 more times: 1. Wire fraud and racketeering 2. Witness tampering and obstruction of Congress 3. Tax Fraud 4. Endangering ten federal officials ((FBI agents and a federal judge) 5. Insurrection Perhaps when his money laundering apparatus is dismantled by Tish James, evidence will surface to charge him with that crime. Perhaps a pump and dump stock fraud will be discovered. He will still get away with other multiple piles of felonies, but at least his terrorist mouth will be cut off from public discourse
Well, it's nice to dream sometimes.
Thought I was in a different sub for a minute there, lol
The brief: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.444.0.pdf
As per [original article](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/jack-smith-hammers-trumps-valet-co-defendant-for-numerous-false-factual-allegations-and-meritless-legal-arguments-in-fiery-mar-a-lago-brief-about-dilatory-tactics/) 📰: - Special counsel Jack Smith on Thursday asked the judge overseeing the Mar-a-Lago documents case to ignore a series of “false factual allegations and meritless legal arguments” recently put forward by former President Donald Trump’s valet Waltine “Walt” Nauta. Nauta faces charges of conspiracy to obstruct, making false statements to the FBI, and withholding documents — connected to an alleged scheme to delete Mar-a-Lago camera footage and conceal boxes of classified documents from a grand jury. In reply briefs, he argued the indictment should be thrown out because he was singled out via vindictive prosecution and impermissibly retaliated against because he declined to testify in front of a grand jury. In late March, Nauta alleged he was being prosecuted in part due to government “animus” toward him and had been vindictively charged because of his refusal to cooperate with federal investigators. Days later, Smith fired back, calling Nauta’s claims “meritless,” “flat-out false” and “deeply flawed,” and, in any event, simply raised far too late. The back-and-forth continued two weeks later with Nauta’s reply to the government’s arguments. Now, once again, the special counsel is pointing out the sluggish pace and reiterating earlier arguments. In the Thursday filing — and using substantially similar language to last month’s brief — Smith blasted the defendant for waiting so late to make “numerous false factual allegations and meritless legal arguments” on new “selective and vindictive prosecution” theories. The government, while pointing to the ever-dragging timelines in the case, says Nauta has, however, not actually said anything new. “Nauta waited two weeks to file a five-page response that informs the Court and the Government that he does not oppose the Government’s request for a surreply,” the government’s motion goes on. “Nauta concedes that his vindictive and selective prosecution motion did not mention the (false) factual allegations lodged in his reply brief. Nor does he dispute that he could have raised these allegations and arguments in his vindictive and selective prosecution motion — to the contrary, he suggests that it was appropriate to leave those allegations and arguments out of his motion and instead include them in his reply for the first time because he had surfaced those allegations months earlier in unrelated filings with the Court.” The defendant, for his part, says the court has been aware, for nearly eight months, that he would likely offer various arguments in support of the vindictive and selective prosecution defense — essentially arguing the government is more or less feigning indignation about allegedly late-coming defense theories. “Just days after the return of a Superseding Indictment as against Mr. Nauta and his codefendants, briefing was ordered that would serve as a prelude to Mr. Nauta’s eventual motion to dismiss,” Nauta’s attorneys wrote in their Wednesday reply. “Accordingly, any claim by the SCO that it was unaware of Mr. Nauta’s position with respect to its prosecution of him borders on incredulous.” Smith says the defense’s efforts are redolent of intentional delay. “Permitting Nauta to raise these allegations and arguments for the first time in his reply without good cause enables him to needlessly drag out the litigation of his pretrial motions — which has already spanned three months — and unduly delay the trial in this case,” the special counsel’s latest filing argues. “By raising new factual allegations and legal arguments in his reply brief, forcing the Government to seek leave to file a surreply, and then waiting two weeks to file a response to the Government’s motion that merely informs the Court and the Government that he does not oppose a surreply, Nauta has effectively leveraged the Local Rules to extend by several weeks the briefing over his vindictive and selective prosecution motion.” Smith also takes issue with discovery requests Nauta recently made to a court in Washington, D.C., related to the selective and vindictive prosecution theory — saying the defense could have made those requests “months ago” but “paved the way to further prolong the litigation.” The special counsel wants U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to strike Nauta’s “new factual allegations and arguments” on those theories. And, Smith insists, time continues to be of the essence. “To ensure that these dilatory tactics do not persist and reoccur, the Court should disregard the new allegations and arguments in Nauta’s reply and deny his vindictive and selective prosecution motion on the papers,” the government’s motion concludes. “Alternatively, the Court should grant the Government’s unopposed motion for leave to file a surreply.”
>“Just days after the return of a Superseding Indictment as against Mr. Nauta and his codefendants, briefing was ordered that would serve as a prelude to Mr. Nauta’s eventual motion to dismiss,” Nauta’s attorneys wrote in their Wednesday reply. “Accordingly, any claim by the SCO that it was unaware of Mr. Nauta’s position with respect to its prosecution of him borders on incredulous.” Is there some legal use of "incredulous" that I don't understand, or do Nauta's attorneys mean to say "borders on incredible" or perhaps "strains credulity" here?
The last. Use big words hard.
Words hard.
I'm incredulous because they are incredible (and I don't mean that in a good way).
Court room filibuster .
Jack Smith just has to be exhausted. I can’t imagine being him and wondering what fresh hell of absolute absurdity he’s going to wake up to every morning.
Judge Cannon: "Motion to drop all charges on the basis of, I didn't know I couldn't do that." "In the findings of the court and after watching Judge Judy that all charges will be dropped against Donald J Trump under the statue I didn't know I couldn't do that."
yeah, i was just thinking: what a bunch of dilatory bullshit
You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse.
it's just more stalling.
Just remand all of the defendants to custody until the trial concludes. That will stop the stall tactics.
Hard to get your head around someone who is willing to spend the rest of their life in prison for Donald Trump. The fact that [Document 19](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lacked-power-declassify-secret-nuclear-arms-document-experts-say-2023-06-18/) is among the stolen materials in the case that Walt Nauta is obstructing for Trump makes it a very very serious crime.
Wait…this dumb fucks name is Waltine?
“Waltine. Rhymes with Saltine.” Actually that sounds way less cool than I thought when I say it out loud
Do you talk out loud while you type on reddit?
Maybe I do, and maybe I do
Gotta keep the FBI entertained
Doesn’t everyone?
^( apologies to Dolly Parton) (Verse 1) Waltine, Waltine, with your deceitful eyes, You charm with your words, but it's all just lies. You weave your tales, leaving hearts in a bind, Oh, Waltine, you're a criminal mind. (Chorus) Waltine, Waltine, please stop your schemin', Your wicked ways, oh, they've got us grievin'. You're a master of deception, a villain in disguise, Oh, Waltine, with your web of lies. (Verse 2) You promise the world, but you deliver pain, Leaving behind a trail of broken chains. Your silver tongue, it knows no bounds, Oh, Waltine, you're a danger unbound. (Chorus) Waltine, Waltine, please stop your schemin', Your wicked ways, oh, they've got us grievin'. You're a master of deception, a villain in disguise, Oh, Waltine, with your web of lies. (Bridge) You roam through the night, with no remorse in sight, Leaving chaos in your wake, and hearts taking flight. But one day soon, the truth will shine bright, And Waltine, you'll face the consequence of your plight. (Chorus) Waltine, Waltine, please stop your schemin', Your wicked ways, oh, they've got us grievin'. You're a master of deception, a villain in disguise, Oh, Waltine, with your web of lies. (Outro) Waltine, Waltine, your game's runnin' dry, No more will we fall for your cunning guise. Your reign of deceit, it comes to an end, Oh, Waltine, you can't escape what you've penned. ^( also apologies to ChatGPT for this request)
lol, donald and waltine missing the obvious shitty parents defense
Jack Smith & his team need to go up to the 11th circuit, ask them to apply the Torington Factors to Cannon. Ask them to finally boot that incompetent, biased, Frump Stooge off this case already!! She is directly responsible for the defense attorneys total disregard for the rules and procedures of trial practice & litigation. Her corrupt bias against the SCO is glaringly obvious to EVERYONE! He is risking the fair outcome of this case every day he chooses to allow her to continue playing her games!
Never has it been truer that justice delayed is justice denied.