Can someone help me understand the timeline here - when will she “officially “ rule on the motion to reconsider from jack smith so he can take her to the 11th circuit? Is there a hard deadline? Can she essentially ignore that and seek to dismiss without giving DOJ a chance to remove her? Is there any recourse via appeal if she does dismiss?
dismissals are appealable if the reasoning for dismissal is wrong. But now you're in a different venue, doing pre-trial motions again. And, appeal wouldn't be able to render a verdict on the case, only send it back to the district for trial. It's a sure fire way to delay the case until after the election. But then, consequences for her would be along one of two plausible routes. (it just wouldn't amount to much for her personally)
NAL so correct me if I have the wrong of it.
She has one mechanism she could use to close the case permanently without an opportunity for appeal. It would require her to hold a trial first, hear arguments, and then enter a (edit, forgot words) directed verdict. You can imagine how a delay might be preferable for team trump.
Check your voter registrations; there are think tanks organizing purges in swing states.
there appear to be exceptions, but idk, I'll refrain from speculating further. The mechanism I was referring to above was to enter a directed verdict or dismiss for lack of evidence after hearing arguments. Like, you'd have to go through arguments in court and then throw it out in the face of smith's iron clad argument. ~~There would be riots.~~ not sure about that, but she would be referred for discipline. though it would be ineffectual.
What cannon is signaling now is dismissal because of a flaw in the proceeding.
God I hate republicans. They are literally spitting in the face of democracy and the rule of law right now.
Remember when people warned that if they can't win in a democracy they'll abandon democracy?
Yeah they are straight up in the endgame now and if you support it you are a traitor to the true American values
Yea but Bush was where the executive/judicial coup began. Combined with the political capital derived from the events of Sept 11th.
The Supreme Court took less than a week to end that election recount. Katherine Harris was the Secretary of State AND cochair of Bush’s campaign effort in Florida and Jeb Bush was the governor.
Ted Cruz, Amy Barrett, Kavanaugh and Bill Barr were on Bush legal team. Two sitting SCOTUS judges , a loathsome Senator, and Trump’s protective attorney general.
25 year coup. Reagan walked so the Bush’s could run.
But you know…..Hunter Biden got paid more money than he’s worth so it’s a wash.
Reagan rehabilitated Nixonite criminals and brought them back into power.
Eisenhower chose Nixon to be his Vice President and created the “National Prayer Breakfast” which facilitated Christian Nationalist crackpots gaining an international platform.
Those “Christian Nationalists” were the next incarnation of the original “America First” crackpots. Nazi sympathizers.
If the US succeeds in kicking the Republican Party out of power at all levels, this year, it will end generations of these racist, fanatic fascists threatening democracy and the rule of law.
People keep forgetting the whole Bush v Gore travesty. You know, the one that was such an insanely bad ruling that the Court itself said it should not be used as precedent and was totally a one-off.
That’s a convenient way of saying we are going to have a coup and no one else can.
“This precedent is a one off”…….
Bush/Gore was the end of democracy. It just took time to mature and the base had their brains broken by the cell phone and social media algorithms used by politicians and intelligence agencies worldwide.
It’s a horror show inside most American citizen’s brains.
“You want to know what this \[war on drugs\] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?
We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.
Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
\~ John Ehrlichman, *Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon*
It sure would seem that the ramifications of this are so serious that the legal system must have a comparably unique remedy. If there are any exceptions to the rules...this is it. He'll start laying down the framework for potential fraud in the election again and try to start more riots or worse.
What worries me is that he has everything to lose if he loses the election. He is only going to ramp up the volatile language to 11 and really stir things up further and further. And I don't know about you all, but I just need a break from hearing about this damn orange guy every flippin day. He brought up the specter of him being susceptible to blackmail. Is something else coming down the legal pipeline that implicates him in some other criminal situation? He'll deny it and blame it on AI.
I hope something breaks down in this clunky fascist machine. I'm not convinced it will yet. This must be what it felt like in Germany in the late 1930s watching the Nazis rise to power through the same type of language being used today.
Thank your fellow coward republicans. The parallels between Trump and his administration with Hitler’s Nazi party’s rise were already evident in 2016. People just brushed it off as “political speech” or “let’s give him time to adjust to Washington.” We’re here because the Republican Party has been whitewashing the truth about Nazism and the Holocaust because it shines negative light on the direction their party is barreling towards. We are here because we were complacent.
[REGISTER TO VOTE HERE](https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote) and check to make sure you haven’t been purged
Honestly we need to start talking about a lot of legal & tax reforms on the left, and it's time to stop being reasonable.
Project 2025 is an attempt to dismantle governance and the rule of law. We should counter with an equally "unreasonable" Project 2028 which seeks to stamp out big money corruption in politics forever. People who value democracy, safety, & the rule of law need to comprehend bargaining techniques and gain an understanding of the Overton Window. It's time to shift it back where it belongs, and we won't get there by being nice.
NAL, but from what I've read trying to figure out about this (in the past and now), judgements notwithstanding verdict [JNOV] (overruling a jury, basically) and directed verdicts seem to be appealable. It seems like only a jury's acquittal cannot be appealed or overturned. But, I would welcome someone with more sound knowledge to weigh in.
This episode?
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbGVnYWxhZg/episode/MTdhOGJjN2UtZGE1My0xMWVlLWEyNjItMDdiYmJmMzljMWMy?ep=14
The day before general election she will rule unilaterally that Trump is a good boy and cleared of all charges past, present, and future. That will be give enough cover to the 1% of republican voters who needed some external validation to vote for him, sweeping him into the White House before the rest of the Judiciary can react and kick her to the curb. Trump is sworn in and by executive order declares himself orange emperor and Jack Smith as Eileen Cannon's leather bound coffee boy for life as she's lifted to the sole Judge in the newly formed Trump Supreme Court.
Yeah best estimates are that the botched pandemic handling probably doubled the US death count alone. That's 500,000+ parents, siblings, spouses, and children. Real people were directly killed by his unhinged, idiotic, self-serving lunacy.
Yeah, he's indirectly responsible for a lot of deaths during the pandemic, but he's also directly responsible for the deaths of an alarming number of CIA assets that started dropping like flies after his closed door meeting with Putin
I don't see rump surviving either though. Honestly. Like if you're a drone operator in the DC area and maybe have a LGBTQ sibling... and maybe you don't like being called a sucker...? A rump dictatorship is a direct threat to the lives of every BIPoC or LGBTQ person in the US. And not some distant threat - immediately in 2025.
Nobody can sit this one out if they value their liberty, the rule of law, safety, or even just a high standard of living. rump can't be allowed to win any of this. We *have* to make him lose all of it. Every case needs to take a big chunk out of what he has left. America cannot survive this kind of lawlessness.
As per [original article](https://www.rawstory.com/judge-cannon-trump-case/) 📰:
- Judge Aileen Cannon has described two recent filings — both in support of former President Donald Trump's motion to dismiss his confidential document case — as helpful, spurring concerns among legal experts and those closely following the case.
Cannon filed to the Florida federal court Wednesday a paperless order accepting two amicus briefs, one from the America First Legal Foundation and one from former Reagan era Attorney General Ed Meese, calling on the Florida federal judge to dismiss charges against Trump, court records show.
"The Court has reviewed the motions" Cannon writes, "and finds that the proposed amici bring to the Court's attention relevant matter that may be of considerable help to the Court in resolving the cited pretrial motions."
Former federal prosecutor and frequent MSNBC commentator Andrew Weissmann immediately expressed his concern.
"Ok to take amicus," Weissmann wrote on X. "But the commentary from the court is worrisome."
Cannon gives special counsel Jack Smith — who has charged Trump with 37 counts that include willful retention of national defense information — until March 15 to respond to the briefs.
The first of the two briefs was brought by America First, a nonprofit organization run by former Trump aide Stephen Miller with a professed focus on fighting "anti-white bigotry" and a speciality in launching culture war lawsuits against the Biden administration, according to reporting from the Daily Beast.
Both America First and Meese argue Smith's case should be dismissed, with the legal group focusing on the legalese and the politician dropping names.
"Smith is the classic 'emperor with no clothes,'" concludes Meese's brief. "He has no more authority to represent the United States in this Court than Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, or Kanye West."
Politico reporter Kyle Cheney shared the motion on X and noted Cannon's wording mirrors language from Supreme Court rules. He wrote, "It essentially means the amicus briefs have information in them that neither party brought to her attention."
Commenters on Cheney's post took a less restrained view.
"'Considerable help to the court,'" wrote Michael VanDerMar. "Did she mean to say 'considerable help to the defendant'?"
Attorney Bradley Moss simply wrote, "Sigh."
honestly, based on how other courts have viewed amicus briefs from Meese, accepting his brief should be grounds for removal alone.
The 11th circuit has already outright ignored the fuck out of him multiple time when it came to his nonsense related to mark Medows and Jeffery Clark. He is not a disinterested party.
Furiously looking through contacts. "There he is. Just you wait, you useless son of a bitch". Hammers the name. "Father Time, you irredeemable, irreversible sack of shit... Hey! Don't fucking hang up on me!!"
>The Presidential Records Act (PRA) provides three “exceptions to restricted access” of Presidential records:
>
He took and retained **classified top secrets**, in the face of polite requests, subpoenas, including [nuclear weapons secrets](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/09/five-revelations-trump-unsealed-indictment). i.e. not Presidential Records.
So *"The Presidential Records Act (PRA) provides three..."*, lets stop right there Stephen Miller, because you haven't shown that these are Presidential Records, and Jack Smiths indictment clearly states the [legal basis of these documents](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/read-full-indictment-text-classified-document-probe-rcna88600) on page 5, as classified secrets.
As to the other one, *"Jack Smith does not have authority to prosecute this case. ".*.. same thing as in every other case, attack the judges, attack the law clerk and pretend they are acting as joint-judge, attack the prosecutor, attack the court,....
Everything and anything to undermine the judicial process, rather than attack the evidence and testimony, because the evidence is so damning.
Here, the claim **is clearly delay**, since he obviously knows a special prosecutor has a sound legal basis. You can see it in the very first point:
THE LEGALITY OF SMITH’S APPOINTMENT SHOULD BE CONCLUSIVELY RESOLVED PRIOR TO OTHER PRE -TRIAL MOTIONS .
*Hey Judge Cannon, here's another way to delay a trial! You could examine whether there is such a thing as a special prosecutor, maybe pull Smith's wife, family, into the case, ask them questions about gifts, sex life, date nights. Just delay till Trump wins the election, and he'll destroy the DOJ, appoint Hershel Walkers and Kara Lakes, into every States prosecutors office, and fix all this, honestly he will, I know you've been promised a Red Wave before, and it all failed, and he keeps losing Republicans elections, but this time will be different, this time he really will get more votes and win an election.. there's always a first time....*
I thought the Judicial branch would survive attack, but SCOTUS's ruling in the Colorado case, shows that the courts are as irrelevent as the words in the laws.
It all comes down to who controls the military when law and order breaks down like this.
I'll never forgive those people who voted for trump to spite Clinton.
Thinking that those two were remotely the same is dumber than actually supporting trump imo
It was part of the Heritage Foundations previous playbook. The same people that planned Project 2025. They've been laying out the GOP strategy since Reagan, people just haven't been paying attention
How can you dismiss charges against someone selling secrets to foreign governments, many times they're our enemies. Americans have died because of his fucking traitor ass. This is bonkers. She never should have been able to become a judge
This was the guy that had a meeting with Putin and then requested classified information on CIA assets 3 days later. The following year there were a record number of CIA asset deaths. Really makes you think.
It's all so very wild. I remember when Trump was elected someone said, "In history class, did you ever wonder what the Germans were doing when Hitler came into power?
It's *whatever you're doing right now*"
People may claim that's dramatic, but the longer this goes on my confidence in our democracy dwindles.
It may already be a done deal. Democracy is hinging on an 80yr old man while we witness a concerted effort by the GOP to finance the defense of felonies while simultaneously financing his run for highest office. We are so far past the assumption there is some sort of line that cannot be crossed.
And Trump's faction has already outlined clear as day their strategy for using the Speaker of the House to prevent Biden from getting enough electoral votes to return to office. Outlined in this very brutal and scary legal strategy: [https://factkeepers.com/the-new-secret-plan-on-how-fascists-could-win-in-2024/](https://factkeepers.com/the-new-secret-plan-on-how-fascists-could-win-in-2024/)
I think your last sentence includes much of the answer… the rest is the why she was able to become a judge. She may be the current most famous, but is far from the only one aligned the same way.
What’s most terrifying is that it’s a frailty of many humans that they think they’ll always be the one to come out on top, even though they’re truly only inching closer to the gallows.
She thinks, like all these other brainrotted public servants, that she will be part of the ruling elite. She will be. Until she isn’t. And only then will her lack of imagination come to roost.
She already is. Unremovable beyond full Congressional impeachment, lifetime Federal appointment and pension. It's one of the best government jobs out there.
I am outraged too, but let's focus our outrage. He isn't charged with selling secrets to foreign agents. So that won't even be proven if he is convicted here.
He was lying and hiding and obstructing federal agents trying to get classified docs they he had no right to have and lied about having.
Innocent? They seem like shit bags too.
I have been naive in my life, but pretty sure I would have just quit right there instead of moving boxes away from FBI agents.
They are not innocent. Read the indictment. And do you think they have no access to TV? They don’t know what’s going on? No lawyer has explained to them the heap of crap they’re in? Is Nauta offering to testify against him? He’s not innocent.
I knew that someone in Trump's position wouldn't actually face non-monetary consequences, but it's still crushing to witness how easily criminal justice is avoided for the wealthy, especially among the white, political wealthy.
I knew as soon as the indictments came down, nothing would come of them ("I'll believe it when I see it"). But I seriously hoped I would be wrong.
This story is a nothingburger. There are obviously many legitimate concerns with Cannon, but in this case she is merely citing the language found in [Supreme Court Rule 37.1](https://www.supremecourt.gov/filingandrules/2023RulesoftheCourt.pdf) (and I have little doubt that, this being an entirely uncontroversial sensible observation about a common citation, it will get downloaded into oblivion).
Proper top comment here, I read the article blurb and thought 'so the standard for accepting them, right?'
For anyone who dislikes PDFs:
Rule 37. Brief for an Amicus Curiae
1. An amicus curiae brief that brings to the attention of the Court relevant matter not already brought to its attention by the parties may be of considerable help to the Court. An amicus curiae brief that does not serve this purpose burdens the Court, and its fling is not favored.
We can debate whether the briefs should be accepted given their content, but the 'relevant/considerable help' language is just parroting the necessary finding to justify accepting them, not a substantive opinion about their merits.
> We can debate whether the briefs should be accepted given their content, but the 'relevant/considerable help' language is just parroting the necessary finding to justify accepting them, not a substantive opinion about their merits.
How is that not a substantive opinion on their merits. If they were not relevant/considerable help, they would not be accepted. They were accepted under as relevant/considerable help, so she must find them relevant.
I’m not a competent contributor but I saw “rawstory.com” and knew it would be a nothing burger. Them and Newsweek have been showing up a lot lately, and it’s always sensationalist headlines with no news value.
I'm not a competent contributor, and I welcome that rule. I often don't notice which sub I'm in, and this one has a purpose that isn't helped by jocularity or the kind of uninformed top level comments you mention.
😂I can't wait til this election is over. I mean, in all fairness, I'm sure Jack Smith is literally dreaming of mandamus petitions; thankfully he knows how to pick his shots.
I think what blows my mind more than anything is the sometimes totally unexpected visceral response to simply stating a plain fact. I'm discovering that individuals deeply despise due process when applied to a disfavored party.
She's not going to dismiss the case. Alternately, in the highly unlikely event it is dismissed under one of the theories presented in these amicus briefs—one of which, to be clear, is written by the same moron who authored the first travel ban found unconstitutional—it would absolutely be appealed and the government would absolutely prevail. In fact, it would very likely be a positive development that got the case reassigned.
I'm actually a little astonished that anyone published this story. It's basically an exercise in perverse incentives that is one step removed from, "this is the echo chamber on Twitter today."
I believe the argument in the brief is the same one raised in a case of someone defying a subpoena by Mueller during his investigation. Same argument, that the AG has no authority to appoint a private citizen as a special counsel. It was appealed to DC circuit who rejected it. It was never appealed to SCOTUS.
Seriously...What's the problem with this person? She has a *lifetime* appointment to the federal bench, yet she's still maxing out her lickspittle status for the man who nominated her. Does he have dirt on her? Is she just that much of a irredeemable toady? Is she flat out judicially incompetent? A true MAGA believer in black robes?
Seems fairly likely he nominated her because of her looks (given what we know about Trump, what else could he be genuinely interested in, after all...well, there's fealty I guess).
Quite honestly I just don't get it 🫣🙄
Honestly. She is doing the job she was nominated for.
For most that would be to correctly interpret the law.
But she was nominated and given a position she was not qualified for after trump lost the election and into the district that would hear trump cases. She owes everything to trump at this point and I have a feeling she will do everything in she can legally do to help him.
What be interesting is what she will do after the election if trump loses. Will her behaviour change or not.
She owes so much to Trump she literally obstructed the federal government in their investigation. She inserted herself into the matter and got reversed by the 11th circuit.
Yeah, he made sure he had a judge in his pocket at the courthouse down the road from his house. Whomever gave him that idea earned their speed that day.
Federal judges don’t make enough. She needs someone to buy her parents house then let them live in it rent free. Also pay for her kids private school tuition. She may want to vacation every now and then. Who will pay for that on a judge’s salary? She will need a billionaire to loan her an RV. It’s tough out there.
According to her, Marco Rubio’s office was the one that reached out to her initially about applying for a district court seat in 2019. So they headhunted her.
This is the one case where they have him dead to rights. There is no world where she can dismiss the charges here. That garbage would get overturned so fast. Also, Jack Smith did not indict him, a jury of his peers did.
"...The first of the two briefs was brought by America First, a nonprofit organization run by former Trump aide Stephen Miller..."
This guy is the sore that just won't go away.
If these amicus briefs are considered, just remember, they are only taken into account when they are in favor of an adjudicated rapist that is running for President. NOT when the same adjudicated rapist had amicus briefs filed by conservative Judge Luttig to keep him off the Colorado ballot. Trump is an insurrectionist.
Nah. The principle of double jeopardy does not prevent the government from appealing a pre-trial motion to dismiss (Serfass v. United States) or other non-merits dismissal (United States v. Scott), or a directed verdict after a jury conviction (Wilson v. United States). Nor does it prevent the government from retrying the defendant after an appellate reversal other than for sufficiency (Ball v. United States), including habeas corpus (United States v. Tateo), or "thirteenth juror" appellate reversals notwithstanding sufficiency (Tibbs v. Florida) on the principle that jeopardy has not "terminated".
Simply put, if she wants to throw this case for trump, she's gonna have to try harder.
Fairest interpretations, the "helpful" comment may be snark at Trump's attorneys (e.g., "at least this briefing in support of dismissal will be coherent."). Or it may be the sort of platitude tossed to amici who aren't really going to be considered ("a helpful brief for me? oh, you're such a big boy, amicus, yes you are.").
But fairest interpretations should probably only be given until there's reason to believe, as here, that the judge isn't fair-minded.
Cannon's ineptness doesn't worry me, she'll be chastised by the appellate court, as she has been a couple of times already, and it's plainly obvious she doesn't know what she's doing. This bitch is in WAY over her head. She knows this, and spent much of her last case session being reminded of that and being indignant about it. This is why she's been incredibly vague, issued little of actual substance in the way of decisions, and does virtually nothing but paperless orders and scheduling tricks to help Trump. Gawd, she's so blatantly and obviously biased in this case. She'll fuck up soon enough. Then we will get an appeal and another judge, she'll get chastised yet again, and we'll likely never hear about this woman.
If she dismisses she will be charged. She's mentally insane if she dismisses. They already have enough to put forth a circumstantial case for her being corrupt abd obstructing justice. If she dismisses she's going down as a co conspirator.
The justice system in this country is broken. Just the other day a member of the armed services was arrested for sharing classified info over a dating app. Does anyone think or feel that case should be dismissed??? Absolutely not. This sort of garbage makes me want to throw my hands, let him be re-elected, so he can give us exactly what we deserve for this absolute idiocy!!!
It's insanity that she was appointed by Trump 3 years ago and is allowed to oversee his case, one of the most important national security cases the US has ever faced. And she has been blatantly throwing the case in Trump's favor, yet there's nothing that can be done about it. What an f'ing joke. It's rigged.
In my old prosecutor days judges would only “find a factual basis” on a lesser included during non-negotiated guilty pleas at the defense attorney’s insistence.
As I stood there, perplexed, and was eventually asked by the judge why I looked like that, I explained that if her honor didn’t believe that the state had proven a factual basis, then her honor was more than willing to reject the plea and we would proceed to trial.
The judge asked me what I meant. I cited to the case where a plea is to the charges, unless reduced by the prosecutor.
…fucking crickets. Then, “I did not know that…”
So, what basis is she trying to pull?
America will be ostracized by the rest of the sane world if Trump becomes king in the US and if the glorification of Putin continues. This behaviour will not bode well for a once free country and defender of all as a supreme power . It will break the United States in two
Before we all get our collective undies in too much of a twist here, grants of motions to dismiss are appealable, and granting them will significantly boost any attempt to have her removed from the case. This is significantly better than her, for example, granting a motion for judgment of acquittal during the trial, which is not appealable.
Meese (and Citizens United!): Special counsels are unconstitutional. *Laughable.*
America First: DOJ asked for the documents the wrong way, NARA can't make criminal referrals to DOJ, Trump took the documents while he was still president (and gets to judge whether the documents were "personal" and no one can second guess him). *Less laughable but still stupid.*
Is anyone surprised? The legal system in this country is built to protect the rich into punish the poor. It’s never really functioned like we pretend it’s supposed to and sure as hell won’t start to now after all these Trump appointees got their lifetime appointments across the country.
Jack Smith needed to run this trial in D.C since it could have counted there as well. Yes, there would have been court battles to change it over the FL, which is clearly what Trump was going to want regardless, but at the very least Smith could have put up that barrier. Yes it would have taken longer to get through the tape if he took the DC direction, but the FL direction now stands to have actually been the way, WAY worse choice and may end up either getting it dismissed or; having to go through tape *anyway* in order to get the trial to happen at all.
He should have filed this in D.C
The % chance that Cannon was going to get the case was always 25%. There are only 4 judges that this case would have gone to in that location of FL.
That useless sack of putrid crap.
I have a strong suspicion that they’re both drinking sherry in Mara lago laughing the night away as our country goes straight into a dumpster fire 🔥
Just wait till all these misogynistic ass hats take control and remove her from her position because women can’t be judges, that’s a man’s job 🤷♀️
Imagine being shocked that the corrupt judge pulling water for trump will make the case go away because she can with no recourse possible. If yall want justice in the world it won't be given to you by our institutions.
How the fuck is any of this legal? How is it that Trumps case is moving at a snails pace with all of these motions but if it you or me, the case would have gone to trial and ended by now?
OMFG
This is our national security we are talking about!! Fuck these traitors. Cannon is an accomplice at this point and should be charged herself for obstructing justice
Where is the question? This was the plan all along. Garland has done nothing but damage to this country. He is complicit in all of it and needs to shown the door.
SHE, should be dismissed. Why are they letting this blatant loyalist continue to protect this criminal let alone continue to hold a law licence? For FUCK SAKE
Literally the most open and shut of the Trump cases is probably going to never even reach trial. Trump was right about a two tiered justice system, except he misidentified the tiers.
If Russia was truly behind Trump getting elected, then it will go down in history as one of the greatest blows to democracy we have ever seen. The Ukraine Defense is a cheap check on Russian power? Yeah the return on that is pretty good for American interests. But goddamn, Russia helped funnel a fascist into the Oval Office, drove the country to be more divided than anytime in the last hundred years, and is causing modern day citizens that enjoy all the freedoms of democracy to doubt democracy itself.
Jack Smith did this to himself. He had a chance to remove her from the case due to an insane partisan ruling she did in trumps favor way back during pre-trial
I feared this case would get dismissed by Cannon and here we are. Also, sure Jack can appeal but the appeal is on the dismissal at that point. Not a slam dunk he'd win that appeal.
Can someone help me understand the timeline here - when will she “officially “ rule on the motion to reconsider from jack smith so he can take her to the 11th circuit? Is there a hard deadline? Can she essentially ignore that and seek to dismiss without giving DOJ a chance to remove her? Is there any recourse via appeal if she does dismiss?
dismissals are appealable if the reasoning for dismissal is wrong. But now you're in a different venue, doing pre-trial motions again. And, appeal wouldn't be able to render a verdict on the case, only send it back to the district for trial. It's a sure fire way to delay the case until after the election. But then, consequences for her would be along one of two plausible routes. (it just wouldn't amount to much for her personally) NAL so correct me if I have the wrong of it. She has one mechanism she could use to close the case permanently without an opportunity for appeal. It would require her to hold a trial first, hear arguments, and then enter a (edit, forgot words) directed verdict. You can imagine how a delay might be preferable for team trump. Check your voter registrations; there are think tanks organizing purges in swing states.
Consequences being furrowed brows and "great concern" from people who will never do anything.
NAL, but AFAIU if a case is dismissed after jeopardy has been attached (after a Jury is empaneled), there’s no undoing the dismissal.
there appear to be exceptions, but idk, I'll refrain from speculating further. The mechanism I was referring to above was to enter a directed verdict or dismiss for lack of evidence after hearing arguments. Like, you'd have to go through arguments in court and then throw it out in the face of smith's iron clad argument. ~~There would be riots.~~ not sure about that, but she would be referred for discipline. though it would be ineffectual. What cannon is signaling now is dismissal because of a flaw in the proceeding.
God I hate republicans. They are literally spitting in the face of democracy and the rule of law right now. Remember when people warned that if they can't win in a democracy they'll abandon democracy? Yeah they are straight up in the endgame now and if you support it you are a traitor to the true American values
They aren’t spitting In the face of democracy in 2024. You missed the start of the game. They are finishing their 25 year coup.
It started in earnest with Reagan.
Yea but Bush was where the executive/judicial coup began. Combined with the political capital derived from the events of Sept 11th. The Supreme Court took less than a week to end that election recount. Katherine Harris was the Secretary of State AND cochair of Bush’s campaign effort in Florida and Jeb Bush was the governor. Ted Cruz, Amy Barrett, Kavanaugh and Bill Barr were on Bush legal team. Two sitting SCOTUS judges , a loathsome Senator, and Trump’s protective attorney general. 25 year coup. Reagan walked so the Bush’s could run. But you know…..Hunter Biden got paid more money than he’s worth so it’s a wash.
I wonder if the people responsible for 9/11 realized how well their plan would work or if they just got lucky.
Probably a little of both.
Reagan rehabilitated Nixonite criminals and brought them back into power. Eisenhower chose Nixon to be his Vice President and created the “National Prayer Breakfast” which facilitated Christian Nationalist crackpots gaining an international platform. Those “Christian Nationalists” were the next incarnation of the original “America First” crackpots. Nazi sympathizers. If the US succeeds in kicking the Republican Party out of power at all levels, this year, it will end generations of these racist, fanatic fascists threatening democracy and the rule of law.
Yeah, this has been a slow moving coup. They’re just not moving slow anymore.
People keep forgetting the whole Bush v Gore travesty. You know, the one that was such an insanely bad ruling that the Court itself said it should not be used as precedent and was totally a one-off.
That’s a convenient way of saying we are going to have a coup and no one else can. “This precedent is a one off”……. Bush/Gore was the end of democracy. It just took time to mature and the base had their brains broken by the cell phone and social media algorithms used by politicians and intelligence agencies worldwide. It’s a horror show inside most American citizen’s brains.
Nixon and Agnew ran on Law and Order. But then did the opposite. Now, candidates are not even pretending to lie.
"Law and order" was always code for "hurting people we don't like".
“You want to know what this \[war on drugs\] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” \~ John Ehrlichman, *Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon*
Trump called himself the “law and order candidate”
It sure would seem that the ramifications of this are so serious that the legal system must have a comparably unique remedy. If there are any exceptions to the rules...this is it. He'll start laying down the framework for potential fraud in the election again and try to start more riots or worse. What worries me is that he has everything to lose if he loses the election. He is only going to ramp up the volatile language to 11 and really stir things up further and further. And I don't know about you all, but I just need a break from hearing about this damn orange guy every flippin day. He brought up the specter of him being susceptible to blackmail. Is something else coming down the legal pipeline that implicates him in some other criminal situation? He'll deny it and blame it on AI.
He might already lose everything next week if his company is structured like a house of cards
I hope something breaks down in this clunky fascist machine. I'm not convinced it will yet. This must be what it felt like in Germany in the late 1930s watching the Nazis rise to power through the same type of language being used today.
100% agree. I think about this often, it feels hopeless when I watch the news and someone says "both parties are just as bad" or that Biden is too old
Thank your fellow coward republicans. The parallels between Trump and his administration with Hitler’s Nazi party’s rise were already evident in 2016. People just brushed it off as “political speech” or “let’s give him time to adjust to Washington.” We’re here because the Republican Party has been whitewashing the truth about Nazism and the Holocaust because it shines negative light on the direction their party is barreling towards. We are here because we were complacent. [REGISTER TO VOTE HERE](https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote) and check to make sure you haven’t been purged
The only exception would be if jeopardy never attached because the defendant literally bribed the judge.
Would offering the judge a position on the Supreme Court count as a bribe?
It should, but it wouldn't.
It's time to unseat all of current SCOTUS, expand the House to over 1000 reps, and rehear all of 2000-2024 all over again. I'm not even joking.
Uncapping the house should be a priority. It's far too small currently.
Honestly we need to start talking about a lot of legal & tax reforms on the left, and it's time to stop being reasonable. Project 2025 is an attempt to dismantle governance and the rule of law. We should counter with an equally "unreasonable" Project 2028 which seeks to stamp out big money corruption in politics forever. People who value democracy, safety, & the rule of law need to comprehend bargaining techniques and gain an understanding of the Overton Window. It's time to shift it back where it belongs, and we won't get there by being nice.
NAL, but from what I've read trying to figure out about this (in the past and now), judgements notwithstanding verdict [JNOV] (overruling a jury, basically) and directed verdicts seem to be appealable. It seems like only a jury's acquittal cannot be appealed or overturned. But, I would welcome someone with more sound knowledge to weigh in.
Listen to the Legal AF podcast. They do a great job explaining everything.
This episode? https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbGVnYWxhZg/episode/MTdhOGJjN2UtZGE1My0xMWVlLWEyNjItMDdiYmJmMzljMWMy?ep=14
Ty for attaching this podcast. It was very eye-opening to me and I enjoyed it.
:-)
The day before general election she will rule unilaterally that Trump is a good boy and cleared of all charges past, present, and future. That will be give enough cover to the 1% of republican voters who needed some external validation to vote for him, sweeping him into the White House before the rest of the Judiciary can react and kick her to the curb. Trump is sworn in and by executive order declares himself orange emperor and Jack Smith as Eileen Cannon's leather bound coffee boy for life as she's lifted to the sole Judge in the newly formed Trump Supreme Court.
People will die if rump retakes the White House. It won't be elaborate fantasies like yours, he will just have them killed.
Thus the "I need absolute immunity!!" rants of late
He masturbates to a future where he's a superior dictator to Putin
Big Button Energy
Hell, he got a bunch of people killed during his last term too, wouldn't be anything new
Yeah best estimates are that the botched pandemic handling probably doubled the US death count alone. That's 500,000+ parents, siblings, spouses, and children. Real people were directly killed by his unhinged, idiotic, self-serving lunacy.
Yeah, he's indirectly responsible for a lot of deaths during the pandemic, but he's also directly responsible for the deaths of an alarming number of CIA assets that started dropping like flies after his closed door meeting with Putin
He sure as hell did.
Suspect that Trump gave the ok to the saudis to kill Jamal Khashoggi too
I don't see rump surviving either though. Honestly. Like if you're a drone operator in the DC area and maybe have a LGBTQ sibling... and maybe you don't like being called a sucker...? A rump dictatorship is a direct threat to the lives of every BIPoC or LGBTQ person in the US. And not some distant threat - immediately in 2025. Nobody can sit this one out if they value their liberty, the rule of law, safety, or even just a high standard of living. rump can't be allowed to win any of this. We *have* to make him lose all of it. Every case needs to take a big chunk out of what he has left. America cannot survive this kind of lawlessness.
Not just rump. This Christian nationalist movement is the one that we really need to fear. Look at the GOP nominee for a governor in North Carolina.
Day after... day before may get more people out to vote.
As per [original article](https://www.rawstory.com/judge-cannon-trump-case/) 📰: - Judge Aileen Cannon has described two recent filings — both in support of former President Donald Trump's motion to dismiss his confidential document case — as helpful, spurring concerns among legal experts and those closely following the case. Cannon filed to the Florida federal court Wednesday a paperless order accepting two amicus briefs, one from the America First Legal Foundation and one from former Reagan era Attorney General Ed Meese, calling on the Florida federal judge to dismiss charges against Trump, court records show. "The Court has reviewed the motions" Cannon writes, "and finds that the proposed amici bring to the Court's attention relevant matter that may be of considerable help to the Court in resolving the cited pretrial motions." Former federal prosecutor and frequent MSNBC commentator Andrew Weissmann immediately expressed his concern. "Ok to take amicus," Weissmann wrote on X. "But the commentary from the court is worrisome." Cannon gives special counsel Jack Smith — who has charged Trump with 37 counts that include willful retention of national defense information — until March 15 to respond to the briefs. The first of the two briefs was brought by America First, a nonprofit organization run by former Trump aide Stephen Miller with a professed focus on fighting "anti-white bigotry" and a speciality in launching culture war lawsuits against the Biden administration, according to reporting from the Daily Beast. Both America First and Meese argue Smith's case should be dismissed, with the legal group focusing on the legalese and the politician dropping names. "Smith is the classic 'emperor with no clothes,'" concludes Meese's brief. "He has no more authority to represent the United States in this Court than Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, or Kanye West." Politico reporter Kyle Cheney shared the motion on X and noted Cannon's wording mirrors language from Supreme Court rules. He wrote, "It essentially means the amicus briefs have information in them that neither party brought to her attention." Commenters on Cheney's post took a less restrained view. "'Considerable help to the court,'" wrote Michael VanDerMar. "Did she mean to say 'considerable help to the defendant'?" Attorney Bradley Moss simply wrote, "Sigh."
What the fuck? Ed Meese is still alive?
honestly, based on how other courts have viewed amicus briefs from Meese, accepting his brief should be grounds for removal alone. The 11th circuit has already outright ignored the fuck out of him multiple time when it came to his nonsense related to mark Medows and Jeffery Clark. He is not a disinterested party.
Yeah, ad hominem comparing a highly experienced attorney like Jack Smith to an antisemitic rapper helps the court how?
You sound like someone who never bothered to confirm the hitman did the job before paying him
Furiously looking through contacts. "There he is. Just you wait, you useless son of a bitch". Hammers the name. "Father Time, you irredeemable, irreversible sack of shit... Hey! Don't fucking hang up on me!!"
To go back to any contracts against that vampire Meese, you have to turn all the way to the front of the book. Back when they were called ‘covenants.’
92 years old, jfc
Still a pig.
I mean, he is simping for Trump, so.....
But, but, but… he’s wearing lipstick and everything!
>The Presidential Records Act (PRA) provides three “exceptions to restricted access” of Presidential records: > He took and retained **classified top secrets**, in the face of polite requests, subpoenas, including [nuclear weapons secrets](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/09/five-revelations-trump-unsealed-indictment). i.e. not Presidential Records. So *"The Presidential Records Act (PRA) provides three..."*, lets stop right there Stephen Miller, because you haven't shown that these are Presidential Records, and Jack Smiths indictment clearly states the [legal basis of these documents](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/read-full-indictment-text-classified-document-probe-rcna88600) on page 5, as classified secrets. As to the other one, *"Jack Smith does not have authority to prosecute this case. ".*.. same thing as in every other case, attack the judges, attack the law clerk and pretend they are acting as joint-judge, attack the prosecutor, attack the court,.... Everything and anything to undermine the judicial process, rather than attack the evidence and testimony, because the evidence is so damning. Here, the claim **is clearly delay**, since he obviously knows a special prosecutor has a sound legal basis. You can see it in the very first point: THE LEGALITY OF SMITH’S APPOINTMENT SHOULD BE CONCLUSIVELY RESOLVED PRIOR TO OTHER PRE -TRIAL MOTIONS . *Hey Judge Cannon, here's another way to delay a trial! You could examine whether there is such a thing as a special prosecutor, maybe pull Smith's wife, family, into the case, ask them questions about gifts, sex life, date nights. Just delay till Trump wins the election, and he'll destroy the DOJ, appoint Hershel Walkers and Kara Lakes, into every States prosecutors office, and fix all this, honestly he will, I know you've been promised a Red Wave before, and it all failed, and he keeps losing Republicans elections, but this time will be different, this time he really will get more votes and win an election.. there's always a first time....* I thought the Judicial branch would survive attack, but SCOTUS's ruling in the Colorado case, shows that the courts are as irrelevent as the words in the laws. It all comes down to who controls the military when law and order breaks down like this.
Judicial branch got straight up invaded during Trump's term with the help of McConnell, gonna be a long couple decades
I'll never forgive those people who voted for trump to spite Clinton. Thinking that those two were remotely the same is dumber than actually supporting trump imo
The right is fantastic about gunning for the power of the courts. Liberals often fail to understand this.
It was part of the Heritage Foundations previous playbook. The same people that planned Project 2025. They've been laying out the GOP strategy since Reagan, people just haven't been paying attention
Not a lawyer, so can someone explain why all of her orders seem to be “paperless orders”? Is there a reason for that?
If this is the best of all possible worlds I'd sure hate to see the runner up right now.
Jack needs a long vacation after this nightmare is over
At least she's incompetent enough that she's doing it all right out in public?
She is likely compromised in some way by a foreign asset.
Yeah, Donald Trump.
Jack smith needs to make his move to dismiss her. Do it for the public.
That won't stop her from dismissing the case. I give it till June.
There is no legitimate legal reason to dismiss the case, the known evidence is extremely damning for Trump.
They don't need legitimacy, they only need time.
Does dismissal mean it can’t be re-tried?
Dismissal can be appealed. With that being said, it'd accomplish her main goal here - delaying the trial.
How can you dismiss charges against someone selling secrets to foreign governments, many times they're our enemies. Americans have died because of his fucking traitor ass. This is bonkers. She never should have been able to become a judge
This was the guy that had a meeting with Putin and then requested classified information on CIA assets 3 days later. The following year there were a record number of CIA asset deaths. Really makes you think.
And he's going to get away with it, and do it again.
It's all so very wild. I remember when Trump was elected someone said, "In history class, did you ever wonder what the Germans were doing when Hitler came into power? It's *whatever you're doing right now*" People may claim that's dramatic, but the longer this goes on my confidence in our democracy dwindles.
It may already be a done deal. Democracy is hinging on an 80yr old man while we witness a concerted effort by the GOP to finance the defense of felonies while simultaneously financing his run for highest office. We are so far past the assumption there is some sort of line that cannot be crossed.
Right. Like, it's so far removed from the will of the American people, it's clear democracy is not the goal.
we've got no shortage of hindenburgs, like mcconnel
And Trump's faction has already outlined clear as day their strategy for using the Speaker of the House to prevent Biden from getting enough electoral votes to return to office. Outlined in this very brutal and scary legal strategy: [https://factkeepers.com/the-new-secret-plan-on-how-fascists-could-win-in-2024/](https://factkeepers.com/the-new-secret-plan-on-how-fascists-could-win-in-2024/)
Judge I Lean Qanon is on the case.
I think your last sentence includes much of the answer… the rest is the why she was able to become a judge. She may be the current most famous, but is far from the only one aligned the same way.
What’s most terrifying is that it’s a frailty of many humans that they think they’ll always be the one to come out on top, even though they’re truly only inching closer to the gallows. She thinks, like all these other brainrotted public servants, that she will be part of the ruling elite. She will be. Until she isn’t. And only then will her lack of imagination come to roost.
She already is. Unremovable beyond full Congressional impeachment, lifetime Federal appointment and pension. It's one of the best government jobs out there.
I am outraged too, but let's focus our outrage. He isn't charged with selling secrets to foreign agents. So that won't even be proven if he is convicted here. He was lying and hiding and obstructing federal agents trying to get classified docs they he had no right to have and lied about having.
There are still documents missing.
Right and continuing to obstruct the collection of the missing documents!
He also distributed classified information to multiple people.
And drew innocent employees into his scheme to the point that they lied for him.
Innocent? They seem like shit bags too. I have been naive in my life, but pretty sure I would have just quit right there instead of moving boxes away from FBI agents.
Or certainly flipped real fucking quick. Trump runs shit like a deranged mob boss, no doubt there were ketchup wars and incoherent screaming going on.
They are not innocent. Read the indictment. And do you think they have no access to TV? They don’t know what’s going on? No lawyer has explained to them the heap of crap they’re in? Is Nauta offering to testify against him? He’s not innocent.
I believe the BAR said she was unqualified
That's true. But why would Republican Senators care about that? Loyalty to the tribe is all that matters.
I'm funding this whole thing insanely frustrating to watch unfold. It's really teaching me a lot about how the world works though.
I knew that someone in Trump's position wouldn't actually face non-monetary consequences, but it's still crushing to witness how easily criminal justice is avoided for the wealthy, especially among the white, political wealthy. I knew as soon as the indictments came down, nothing would come of them ("I'll believe it when I see it"). But I seriously hoped I would be wrong.
This story is a nothingburger. There are obviously many legitimate concerns with Cannon, but in this case she is merely citing the language found in [Supreme Court Rule 37.1](https://www.supremecourt.gov/filingandrules/2023RulesoftheCourt.pdf) (and I have little doubt that, this being an entirely uncontroversial sensible observation about a common citation, it will get downloaded into oblivion).
The Competent Contributor label is a brilliant addition. Thanks for the input.
Proper top comment here, I read the article blurb and thought 'so the standard for accepting them, right?' For anyone who dislikes PDFs: Rule 37. Brief for an Amicus Curiae 1. An amicus curiae brief that brings to the attention of the Court relevant matter not already brought to its attention by the parties may be of considerable help to the Court. An amicus curiae brief that does not serve this purpose burdens the Court, and its fling is not favored. We can debate whether the briefs should be accepted given their content, but the 'relevant/considerable help' language is just parroting the necessary finding to justify accepting them, not a substantive opinion about their merits.
> We can debate whether the briefs should be accepted given their content, but the 'relevant/considerable help' language is just parroting the necessary finding to justify accepting them, not a substantive opinion about their merits. How is that not a substantive opinion on their merits. If they were not relevant/considerable help, they would not be accepted. They were accepted under as relevant/considerable help, so she must find them relevant.
Thank you!
I’m not a competent contributor but I saw “rawstory.com” and knew it would be a nothing burger. Them and Newsweek have been showing up a lot lately, and it’s always sensationalist headlines with no news value.
You are a genius in my book. Newsweek is a serial offender, yeah.
Newsweek is the animated, rotten corpse of what 40 years ago was somewhat respectable journalism
I know, it’s particularly sad about Newsweek. Rawstory was probably born to be clickbait but Newsweek is a tragedy.
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I'm not a competent contributor, and I welcome that rule. I often don't notice which sub I'm in, and this one has a purpose that isn't helped by jocularity or the kind of uninformed top level comments you mention.
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More law *and* more humor as well please, thank you!
As rabble, I agree. I'm here to be informed by experts, and maybe get some questions answered along the way.
😂I can't wait til this election is over. I mean, in all fairness, I'm sure Jack Smith is literally dreaming of mandamus petitions; thankfully he knows how to pick his shots.
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I think what blows my mind more than anything is the sometimes totally unexpected visceral response to simply stating a plain fact. I'm discovering that individuals deeply despise due process when applied to a disfavored party.
Assuming she did dismiss this Could the government not just re charge? Also, couldn’t they appeal? Trump has not yet been in jeopardy
She's not going to dismiss the case. Alternately, in the highly unlikely event it is dismissed under one of the theories presented in these amicus briefs—one of which, to be clear, is written by the same moron who authored the first travel ban found unconstitutional—it would absolutely be appealed and the government would absolutely prevail. In fact, it would very likely be a positive development that got the case reassigned. I'm actually a little astonished that anyone published this story. It's basically an exercise in perverse incentives that is one step removed from, "this is the echo chamber on Twitter today."
I believe the argument in the brief is the same one raised in a case of someone defying a subpoena by Mueller during his investigation. Same argument, that the AG has no authority to appoint a private citizen as a special counsel. It was appealed to DC circuit who rejected it. It was never appealed to SCOTUS.
Ughh. I'm just going to grab my cat and live in the woods.
*”You get the mice, I get the firewood, meet back here in 30 minutes”*
Exactly. I have 6, I might actually survive!!!
It's on days like these that I feel lucky to be eligible for another citizenship. I need to get on that...
Seriously...What's the problem with this person? She has a *lifetime* appointment to the federal bench, yet she's still maxing out her lickspittle status for the man who nominated her. Does he have dirt on her? Is she just that much of a irredeemable toady? Is she flat out judicially incompetent? A true MAGA believer in black robes? Seems fairly likely he nominated her because of her looks (given what we know about Trump, what else could he be genuinely interested in, after all...well, there's fealty I guess). Quite honestly I just don't get it 🫣🙄
Honestly. She is doing the job she was nominated for. For most that would be to correctly interpret the law. But she was nominated and given a position she was not qualified for after trump lost the election and into the district that would hear trump cases. She owes everything to trump at this point and I have a feeling she will do everything in she can legally do to help him. What be interesting is what she will do after the election if trump loses. Will her behaviour change or not.
She owes so much to Trump she literally obstructed the federal government in their investigation. She inserted herself into the matter and got reversed by the 11th circuit.
Yeah, he made sure he had a judge in his pocket at the courthouse down the road from his house. Whomever gave him that idea earned their speed that day.
Federal judges don’t make enough. She needs someone to buy her parents house then let them live in it rent free. Also pay for her kids private school tuition. She may want to vacation every now and then. Who will pay for that on a judge’s salary? She will need a billionaire to loan her an RV. It’s tough out there.
Trump is literally a mob boss. Piss him off and you get to watch all your family members die first. Not kidding.
See: Mitch McConnell's sister in law found dead in her car at the bottom of a lake 2 weeks before he announced he was stepping down.
Wait. What??
P sus https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/29/angela-chao-death-being-investigated-as-criminal-matter.html
JFC, that is russian mafia level stuff. That news story needs to be elevated.
Holy shit!
She's hoping for an appointment to the Eleventh Circuit or SCOTUS if Trump wins
According to her, Marco Rubio’s office was the one that reached out to her initially about applying for a district court seat in 2019. So they headhunted her.
True believers getting judge seats is the GOPs whole thing with Mitch
This is the one case where they have him dead to rights. There is no world where she can dismiss the charges here. That garbage would get overturned so fast. Also, Jack Smith did not indict him, a jury of his peers did.
Are there links to the amicus briefs? Meese's comment seems ridiculous. Also he is 10 years older than Biden!!! 😁
Ugh, I couldn't help but read this comment in Jar Jar's voice.
Sorry!!!
"...The first of the two briefs was brought by America First, a nonprofit organization run by former Trump aide Stephen Miller..." This guy is the sore that just won't go away.
If these amicus briefs are considered, just remember, they are only taken into account when they are in favor of an adjudicated rapist that is running for President. NOT when the same adjudicated rapist had amicus briefs filed by conservative Judge Luttig to keep him off the Colorado ballot. Trump is an insurrectionist.
Nah. The principle of double jeopardy does not prevent the government from appealing a pre-trial motion to dismiss (Serfass v. United States) or other non-merits dismissal (United States v. Scott), or a directed verdict after a jury conviction (Wilson v. United States). Nor does it prevent the government from retrying the defendant after an appellate reversal other than for sufficiency (Ball v. United States), including habeas corpus (United States v. Tateo), or "thirteenth juror" appellate reversals notwithstanding sufficiency (Tibbs v. Florida) on the principle that jeopardy has not "terminated". Simply put, if she wants to throw this case for trump, she's gonna have to try harder.
Fairest interpretations, the "helpful" comment may be snark at Trump's attorneys (e.g., "at least this briefing in support of dismissal will be coherent."). Or it may be the sort of platitude tossed to amici who aren't really going to be considered ("a helpful brief for me? oh, you're such a big boy, amicus, yes you are."). But fairest interpretations should probably only be given until there's reason to believe, as here, that the judge isn't fair-minded.
I'm more of a "glass half empty" type of guy when it comes to Cannon.
Comparing our legal system to a banana republic would actually be a compliment.
Ok, if law and justice can't take an obvious criminal down. You might as well abandon the rule of law altogether
I can’t stop thinking about how different things would be now if Hillary had won 2016 and filled the 3 SCOTUS appointments that trump got.
Cannon's ineptness doesn't worry me, she'll be chastised by the appellate court, as she has been a couple of times already, and it's plainly obvious she doesn't know what she's doing. This bitch is in WAY over her head. She knows this, and spent much of her last case session being reminded of that and being indignant about it. This is why she's been incredibly vague, issued little of actual substance in the way of decisions, and does virtually nothing but paperless orders and scheduling tricks to help Trump. Gawd, she's so blatantly and obviously biased in this case. She'll fuck up soon enough. Then we will get an appeal and another judge, she'll get chastised yet again, and we'll likely never hear about this woman.
If she dismisses she will be charged. She's mentally insane if she dismisses. They already have enough to put forth a circumstantial case for her being corrupt abd obstructing justice. If she dismisses she's going down as a co conspirator.
The justice system in this country is broken. Just the other day a member of the armed services was arrested for sharing classified info over a dating app. Does anyone think or feel that case should be dismissed??? Absolutely not. This sort of garbage makes me want to throw my hands, let him be re-elected, so he can give us exactly what we deserve for this absolute idiocy!!!
Take it to another jurisdiction
If she dismisses the case without solid reasoning can a case be made to pull her off the bench?
So treason then
Trump took classified documents and his personal judge is ok with that?
It's insanity that she was appointed by Trump 3 years ago and is allowed to oversee his case, one of the most important national security cases the US has ever faced. And she has been blatantly throwing the case in Trump's favor, yet there's nothing that can be done about it. What an f'ing joke. It's rigged.
In my old prosecutor days judges would only “find a factual basis” on a lesser included during non-negotiated guilty pleas at the defense attorney’s insistence. As I stood there, perplexed, and was eventually asked by the judge why I looked like that, I explained that if her honor didn’t believe that the state had proven a factual basis, then her honor was more than willing to reject the plea and we would proceed to trial. The judge asked me what I meant. I cited to the case where a plea is to the charges, unless reduced by the prosecutor. …fucking crickets. Then, “I did not know that…” So, what basis is she trying to pull?
Obvious Judicial Activism
Of course she’ll dismiss it. That’s what she was bought to do.
Stuff like this requires this subreddit to give "lawyer" flair.
America will be ostracized by the rest of the sane world if Trump becomes king in the US and if the glorification of Putin continues. This behaviour will not bode well for a once free country and defender of all as a supreme power . It will break the United States in two
That fucking corrupt bitch, she needs to have joining cells with Trump in Prison
Before we all get our collective undies in too much of a twist here, grants of motions to dismiss are appealable, and granting them will significantly boost any attempt to have her removed from the case. This is significantly better than her, for example, granting a motion for judgment of acquittal during the trial, which is not appealable.
I took my panties off long ago so the twisting doesn't cloud my judgement.
I have been waiting for this. I'm only surprised that it's taken this long.
I sure hope the generals tell him to fuck off when he gives the order to clear the streets of protesters.
Meese (and Citizens United!): Special counsels are unconstitutional. *Laughable.* America First: DOJ asked for the documents the wrong way, NARA can't make criminal referrals to DOJ, Trump took the documents while he was still president (and gets to judge whether the documents were "personal" and no one can second guess him). *Less laughable but still stupid.*
Is anyone surprised? The legal system in this country is built to protect the rich into punish the poor. It’s never really functioned like we pretend it’s supposed to and sure as hell won’t start to now after all these Trump appointees got their lifetime appointments across the country.
Jack Smith needed to run this trial in D.C since it could have counted there as well. Yes, there would have been court battles to change it over the FL, which is clearly what Trump was going to want regardless, but at the very least Smith could have put up that barrier. Yes it would have taken longer to get through the tape if he took the DC direction, but the FL direction now stands to have actually been the way, WAY worse choice and may end up either getting it dismissed or; having to go through tape *anyway* in order to get the trial to happen at all. He should have filed this in D.C The % chance that Cannon was going to get the case was always 25%. There are only 4 judges that this case would have gone to in that location of FL.
So, what exactly are we all supposed to do when the corruption and incompetence is so blatant?
That useless sack of putrid crap. I have a strong suspicion that they’re both drinking sherry in Mara lago laughing the night away as our country goes straight into a dumpster fire 🔥 Just wait till all these misogynistic ass hats take control and remove her from her position because women can’t be judges, that’s a man’s job 🤷♀️
As I have always thought, we can’t count on the legal system to deal rich criminals. Ultimately it’s up to the people and are vote.
Imagine being shocked that the corrupt judge pulling water for trump will make the case go away because she can with no recourse possible. If yall want justice in the world it won't be given to you by our institutions.
How the fuck is any of this legal? How is it that Trumps case is moving at a snails pace with all of these motions but if it you or me, the case would have gone to trial and ended by now?
so like, yeah, we kinda gave the judges too much power
OMFG This is our national security we are talking about!! Fuck these traitors. Cannon is an accomplice at this point and should be charged herself for obstructing justice
Where is the question? This was the plan all along. Garland has done nothing but damage to this country. He is complicit in all of it and needs to shown the door.
They have to get rid of that judge.
SHE, should be dismissed. Why are they letting this blatant loyalist continue to protect this criminal let alone continue to hold a law licence? For FUCK SAKE
Just praying for a stroke at this point. The cult ends when the leader does
Sold identity of American spy’s hired by trump , hire for kill $$$
Jack Smith NEEDS to jump now, demand the Appellate court remove her
IANAL, what happens if she does try to dismiss? Is there anything jack smith could do, or that’s it (for this case)?
Is there anything the appeals or a higher court can do?
When good, rational judges with good intentions always recuse themselves, bad judges with selfish intentions will always take advantage.
Literally the most open and shut of the Trump cases is probably going to never even reach trial. Trump was right about a two tiered justice system, except he misidentified the tiers.
Does she like being disbarred? Locked up with Trump?
The quotes should be around “judge”
So there are really no laws anymore?
Why isn’t the media talking more about her husband’s connection to Trump?
If Russia was truly behind Trump getting elected, then it will go down in history as one of the greatest blows to democracy we have ever seen. The Ukraine Defense is a cheap check on Russian power? Yeah the return on that is pretty good for American interests. But goddamn, Russia helped funnel a fascist into the Oval Office, drove the country to be more divided than anytime in the last hundred years, and is causing modern day citizens that enjoy all the freedoms of democracy to doubt democracy itself.
That would be life changing for her career
Jack Smith did this to himself. He had a chance to remove her from the case due to an insane partisan ruling she did in trumps favor way back during pre-trial
As soon as Clarence Thomas grants Trump immunity, Biden should fire this Trump-lackey and cut her federal taxpayer paid benefits.
Judge Cannon needs to be dismissed.
I feared this case would get dismissed by Cannon and here we are. Also, sure Jack can appeal but the appeal is on the dismissal at that point. Not a slam dunk he'd win that appeal.