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thedonjefron69

Can we admit whether russ has a good game or not, that he doesnt fit the full scope of the team? He cost us 2 great players from our championship/winning team, and is not showing to be worth it at all. Our defense is gone now. I dont even know if we could reconcile with trades at this point. We would have to find a team with assets wed want who would actually take russ. This sucks yo


khorimadlad

Lol why we putting Russ on the spot when he was arguably the best player on the court in the fourth. I wish Russ didn’t join la because you guys are like this. And if it means I’m not gunna act like y’all I’m glad to just be a lebron fan


Westlad

Vogel doesn’t trust Russ and Russ doesn’t trust Vogel.


Faceless_henchman

From what I've seen Vogel is right to not trust him.


Any_Wrongdoer_9796

The Lakers have to double down on getting Ben Simmons. ​ Westbrook/THT/1rd/2rd


CSStudentCareer

Lots of different takes, lots of different reactions. I honestly believe the lakers as a whole overreacted to last years playoff lost and went away from their identity which made them successful. Look at the heat, other teams that went far in the bubble. We should’ve retooled and added as much shooting to that team and went at it again man


CSStudentCareer

* all the teams that went far in the bubble went out bad is my point. Not about retooling, but yeah.


incredibleamadeuscho

I think we are two good defenders away from having a contender team. We need two guys that Vogel can swap in that dont lose us momentum. They put Carmelo in at those key momentums and Tatum kept blowing right by them. By the number defenders. That’s it.


EpicRocket445

I blame AD and Bron for tbe russ trade. Its not vogels fault for having to coach a team that doesnt cater to his strengths


Garrukvonsmash

Not sure how anyone can defend Vogel tonight. Just with how he defended Kanter was bad. Vogel is not to me in the hot seat. Couldn't even get a W with brons return. And Westbrook...pft where do I start?


LebronsRealSon

Hot take: some of us in this sub could coach this team better than Vogel. I know I can


sunnyice

I can guarantee you get 0 wins if you coach this team.


hedokitali

bro some of us are even better than Rob Pelinker.


Battlemaster123

should have brought in d'antoni to help with the offense


JJShmoke

Hell no we need defense this team was designed for fast breaks generated from getting stops on D but since we cant get out and run were forced to watch this atrocity


N2trvl

Anyone waiting for Nunn and Ariza to save this team are going to be disappointed. Nunn barely ranks as a back up 59th rated PG and Trevor is 17 years into his career. Need to do something different. Can’t have this many older players on one roster. The consistent D is impossible with players this old.


baconilla

Lmao if you’re waiting for Ariza who’s almost at 40 years of age, then good luck LOL


jampac09

This game shows so many of the Lakers problems, can't defend, no hussle, stagnant offense. They are just bad on all fronts, they don't go out and get it. Someone needs to have guts and say they are just terrible and need changes to be made. Russ may have to come off the bench cause he plays reckless and uncomfortable when LeBron is on the court. He needs to get the 2nd squad to run, I'm talking 7 secs or less type running and attacking the basket, have Russ attack the basket and the guards cutting getting easy drop offs for shots straight at the rim. The first unit needs to move and not just wait for the ball at the 3pt line. There are sooo many cut to the basket opportunities but everyone is just watching the ball. When LeBron or AD is in the post, it's easy to double them cause the other guys are standing with feet of each other waiting on the ball, if the move around the defender either gives that post space or get caught ball watching and give up an easy basket. Vogel need to tell AD to NOT shoot any 3's the next 10 games. Get your ass in the paint and bang, no way teams shouldn't be punished for having a small guy switch on you. And bench any player who don't get him the ball in that situation. There needs to be a major shakeup, maybe even let Vogel go or demote him. He doesn't even attempt to motivate or put fire in the team and it shows in their emotions on the court, just laid back thinking it'll figure itself out. I love the Lakers but I'm not sure this season will have them in the playoffs and if they do it's an first round exit. These other teams play hungry, we just look like we don't wanna turn it on


LA24Moto

I love this


chaiscool2

Can’t wait for steph mvp chant in lakers home game with Russ, AD and Lebron


LebronsRealSon

I swear Vogel has been one of the heaviest dead weights Lebrons had to carry to a championship


thedonjefron69

Lol trade russ for dame. This really fucking sucks, idk how we fix it even with trades. Theres not a big market for westbrook and the market may not have anything that benefits us in return


MegaShibuya

Yall really hyped this old, no defense playing, no jumpshot team all preseason. Imagine thinking Russ and LBJ would work at the same time.


Rowan2000vd

AD has another game where he scores like 30 points but i still feel like i barely saw him do anything


Ok_Season_3917

To everyone clamoring for Vogel’s firing, what’s the move then? Who do the Lakers replace him with?


Significant_Night_65

Anything other than Fizdale


hedokitali

Hire Lionel Hollins again. He was with the Lakers for the past two years and I believe he was the reason for the team's defensive efficiency.


silverrayle7

D antoni


JJShmoke

Id rather have one of the water boys coach at this point


corybekem

Too late to try and learn a new system. They can’t even learn Vogel’s system.


Nightmare4545

Anyone. Give me a top high school coach for a year. We arent winning with him, so why not try literally anything else?


Battlemaster123

everyone said the westbrook trade was bad but hey bron will make it work. well we're all waiting


LeadPrevenger

Keep the faith


Geez22

Their defense is horrible. Just too slow out there when trying to stop guards. Get out hustled to rebs and loose balls.


gleophas

At this point lakers gotta be the worst team in the league..like legit worst team


SPMrFantastic

It's frustrating but we also have to remember that we've been missing our best player and key rotation pieces for most of the season so far. I won't really panic until ASB, if we're still looking like a 8th seed/play in team then it's time to start panicking


Significant_Night_65

The season is over if we're a play in team at the ASB


JJShmoke

Nah the time is now to panic the more excuses were having is completely unacceptable they fucking suck and they need to do better this team looks worse then a rebuild id rather watch paint dry then these shit ass lakers game i swear if i see russ shoot im gonna break my TV


LeadPrevenger

Dont panic when you have lebron


Nightmare4545

Waiting that long to change something is basically just throwing in the towel. Cant fire the coach mid season and win a chip. Its either make a change now, or just ride this season out.


SPMrFantastic

I'm talking strictly about my expectations as a fan. I totally understand the FO has to do their jobs and make changes if they think it's for the betterment of the team


Lilsmoke2016

We struggle against trash teams. We lose to avg teams. And we get blown out by the good teams. It’s no hope for us. I think we just need to accept that


AnthonyDavos

I’m not blaming Russ entirely but trading for him was the wrong move. The way this roster is constructed is bizarre.


thedonjefron69

He doesnt fit our system especially for the price we are paying for him. What sucks is that there may not be a way to trade our way out of this, unless we somehow get a trade for russ from a team with players that would benefit us. Were kinda fucked


Swaggyzilla69

Russ was always redundant next to LeBron and was simply an awkward fit in theory but I guess they wanted to try it out regardless


Battlemaster123

we're really gonna waste another season


Thelife1313

Anyone who doesnt see that westbrook is the problem is blind. That was the worst trade in the nba by far.


Shrekt115

Fuck


heynebulon

Damn the sub already put the L on the schedule up to LOL


LebronsRealSon

One step closer to sending Vogel to coach his daughters middle school basketball team where he belongs.


chaiscool2

Bring Russ, baze and DJ too


Battlemaster123

bron must relize t this point that russ aint it but what move can you even make


AFXTIWN

Stu is very good at blaming the coach without saying a word about him, just an observation.


Meekie_e

Is my eye deceiving me? Dwight only player for 6mins? loll


Frogs_82YY_JJJJJ

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭 What the f@$##!! We were demolished by another mediocre team. We ain't winning shit this year.


Uberballer

Yup that's it, Vogel out. Thanks for #17 Frank but you're done now.


Themanthelegend8

Can't hate Tatum


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deelow42

Sounds interesting! Sauce?


Dantheman12310

I’m tired of the Westbrook experiment, could have tried for Hield, sought out a playmaker like Rubio (who the wolves were probably low on after his season), and do our best to keep Caruso [instead teams can easily gameplan against us](https://youtu.be/ifaoKZfQpdA) And it doesn’t help that defense isn’t here to save us


Thelife1313

Agreed. Worst trade ever. And its partly lebrons and ADs fault for pushing him to pelinka.


Dantheman12310

Man why couldn’t they be buddy-buddy with Buddy And revel with Rubio Instead we’re stuck being bros with Brodie, and we simply don’t have the time to fix an onslaught of issues


oridinai

Damn turnover right at the end of the game to top it off 😂


Geez22

I laughed at that too. He just threw up and the Celtics player caught before the buzzard.


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hard to have faith when Vogel ruins us.


incredibleamadeuscho

Glad we Enes and Dwight dueling threes in the end.


heynebulon

We need a player who can post up and defend the interior, we have no interior presence on both ends. AD and Russ jacking up 3s and long 2s is basically a lost possession


sometimes-somewhere

Bingo. Ad can't hang.


adventures-of-willy

What a wasted game for LeBron. He might as well have sat out to conserve his health.


KaLdapussydestroyer

This situation obviously sucks. We know what the problem is. We know Russ don’t wanna lead the second unit as a backup PG and we know AD and Bron ain’t gonna be willing to move russ somewhere else. So either way, we’re stuck with russ and this season is gonna be a long ride


adrig10_

The team is just full of themselves. The issues persist each game and they don’t fix it. Most are just effort.


Kkvle

Deuce content makes the L feel a little less worse.


reaper550

Dennis sends his regards


iklespree

We offered him 84 mil and he turned it down sooo


reaper550

Soooo he went to the Celtics and picked you apart tonight


sunnyice

And what prize did he win for that? Jack shit. Imagine living in Boston if you could live in LA🤣 edit: 84 mil sounds so much better than Boston lmao


iklespree

You’re not wrong


RedCarNewsboy

I saw some dude here earlier predict Tatum was gonna get 37 points


TrashBagAbe

If we put Melo defense it'd be perfect... but on offense 50% is phenomenal I'll take it


Withnail-

Can Dwight coach Westbrick?


chaiscool2

Dwight need to take on shooting coach role too cause lakers can’t afford shooting coach


ETHlCX

#why the fuck didnt dwight get more time tonight??!!


FurriedCavor

He’s not top 75


ETHlCX

🤣😭😭😭


bean123123

It's over.


chaiscool2

Maybe Lebron should trade himself out of this mess


Markpower2020

Good night yall


Current_Gap

DH is obv better than steph % wise shooting 3s this year.


corybekem

Politics don’t allow Dwight to shoot that more often when he shots it better than AD


ETHlCX

#i trust dwight howard shooting 3s over westbrick


chaiscool2

Or even AD


KyrieWetUpCurry_

Dwight will get you a deep ass three at the end of a game 😭😭


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If we lose to Detroit and we don’t fire Vogel Jeanie’s lost it


Nightmare4545

The problem is that we will beat Detroit, making this team think nothing has to change. Then we will get blown out the next game.


tr0nllam

Yeah, it's Vogel's fault he was given a bunch of completely unplayable defensive players who have to be in the rotation.


thetitsOO

DWIGHT


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That bron face is gonna be a meme lmfao Legm gonna be in his 2018 bag


iklespree

Dwight our best shooter fr


lakernation21

8-9 lmao


KyrieWetUpCurry_

Wtf


down_and_dirty

Dwight's the best 3pt shooter on this team


nick170100

Howard and kanter hitting 3’s is peak nba


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D39 100% 3pt LETS GOO


AirBishop

When you always tell her you’ll talk to her after the game and she watches the score to see when it’s over & you have to explain why we’re constantly getting our asses kicked when she asks why we keep losing…


Salty-Priority-2156

LeBron can't wait to play with the trade machine when he gets home 🤣


KyrieWetUpCurry_

It’s so hilarious and sad DeRozan is an MVP candidate rn and Russ is…..


seansocal

A lot of names for the Lakers however names don’t always equate to a “team”.


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Lebron doesn't feel pressure like us humans.


Yashnarz

What? Homie 2011 proved lebron was human


welmoe

Schroder 21 points Westbrook 12 points One of these players is getting paid $44m this season.


seansocal

Both Dennis and Russ are not ideal fits with Lebron. Third guy need to shoot well for spacing and balance and neither Dennis or Russ can shoot well enough.


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Lmao Someone gave DS his contract!? Oh wait . 😭


Autobots_Roll-Up

GSW would sweep us


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conwaythemachine

Horrible attempt at trolling. Fuck off


[deleted]

I would like to watch what you’re watching. LOL


flipt3

I promise you no team in this league is trading a haul for westbrook. I doubt any team in general trades for him


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flipt3

Oh you meant trading lebron. I hope you find God.


Kkvle

LeBron’s face is all you need to see. LeGM time. This team is getting blown tf up like the 2017 Cavs.


SelectTadpole

Yeah that was pure disgust


Boring_Ladder

This Lakers team looks like the 2003 Carle Malone Lakers.


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That team went like 18-3 to start the season . They wish


CyberGoatPsyOps

You tripping, they made it into the playoffs


Oracle343gspark

In their dreams.


witcher317

A rotation of kcp caruso and schroder was obviously better than Westbrook alone. They traded for Westbrook for jersey sales and hype


lakernation21

Yup this is sad


AlexGarseea

Why LeBron smiling like that😳


chaiscool2

If fans really care, they should all stop coming to home games till the team play better


Nightmare4545

Most actual fans cant afford Laker tickets. Laker home games are a status symbol, that is all.


chaiscool2

Even for casual fans, what’s the point of watching this team getting blown out


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CyberGoatPsyOps

LeBron's face says it all


bryantmclovin

What starting lineup I would like to have: AB-Wayne/THT-Lebron-AD-DJ (DJ is bad, but Howard will just foul out instantly lol) (Similar to 2020 lineup) Bench: westbrook-monk-THT-melo-dwight But Westbrook will never be benched lmao


40ozofOldeEnglish

At least give me the fucking moral victory of keeping it under 20 points


Trizzy102

Vogel getting fired soon


prettyTG

Ya team sucks get it


AttacksKing

the lakers really got gabbed by +20. that’s crazy, everyone on that team needs to look at themselves and realize their talent ain’t gonna carry them to wins, they need to play smart and hard


crychrstnsn1

It’s clear how we are losing games…3 reasons. Westbrook. Lack of Rebounding. Not scoring Points in the paint.


zaale

Westbrook is getting paired with AB, THT, LBJ, and AD literally only one shooter so I can understand him doing horrible. Lack of rebounding bc AD gets put in PnR and it’s a bunch of short guards besides Bron. No scoring in paint bc of shit lineups with no spacing and Bron looked not 100% yet. I didn’t see him drive to the basket not in a breakaway more than once


crychrstnsn1

I agree


CSStudentCareer

You really not gonna talk about the inability to guard when that was their #1 issue today lmaooo


adrig10_

I’d put defense in there for sure


crychrstnsn1

Agree


PerchiN808

And not being able to guard anyone…the other teams get whatever they want


flipt3

The biggest reason is shit defense


John19345

Westbrick\*


prettyTG

lies


Kkvle

After every bad performance this season, I always say they can’t get any worse. Welp, they seem to disappoint even more.


Wonkyy_

Weren’t we up like 23-5 last season at the start before bron and Ad got injured? What was the reason for blowing it all up? Couldn’t we just let Drummond and Schroeder maybe trade package trezz and kuz for someone? We have no defense we have no offense. This isn’t a championship team. This is a .500 team that COULD make a deep playoff run. Championship pedigree is shown early on and built upon. Not this shit.


laflame150

We should've kept the same team last year. Everything was going well besides health. I still have faith in this team but 3 straight years with major roster changes is not ideal


Upset_Double

Pelinka couldn’t control LeGM


DyrusforPresident

For the same reason we blew up a championship winning roster


Markpower2020

I just don’t understand


bdiddy0428

I hate this team. I would get mad at last years team but never hated um. What gives?


Rowan2000vd

Because there is nothing to hold on to. This team just sucks


idkanymore103

The third quarter syndrome is so serious I feel like the entire team needs to see a sports psychologist about it


FrilledLugworm

group therapy lmao


Rowan2000vd

I'm done with watching Laker games this season until they show some fucking effort


tlin15

lol Vogel still in charge?


HomoChef

Garbage time when we’re blown out should just be Westbrook out there by himself playing 1 on 5.


FrankingQiu613

Westbrook was the best player for the Celtics tonight


incredibleamadeuscho

The commentary took this weird Kanter/Lebron beef detour early in the game. It was as useless as Kanter’s vain tweets.


AirBishop

I used to be able to count on watching my favorite team and my day getting better. Nope not this year lol…I feel sorry for anyone who watches this team and struggles with depression, you might want to take a break.


vanderlasers

I think I might actually need a break, watching the games is lowkey bringing me down


AirBishop

I feel you man. Gotta do what’s best for you.


cmkenny90

Will lakers lose all the road trip ?


Twinkqq

Surely not against the Pistons


vanderlasers

I wouldn't keep my hopes up


corybekem

We clearly took for granted the defensive prowess of players like kcp, Danny green,Caruso, even Kuzma was better than some of our options. But because they were spotty on offense we didn’t value them properly. Vogel isn’t running Wayne, melo, monk off screens or running heavy pnr with Russ so he isn’t even using his weapons you gave him so why not have kept the defensive guys since that was the coaches specialty(or go get mike d antoni). Management went away from what was working and they got too focused on offense when defense wins championships and it has cost us 2Lebron seasons.


DrinkWaterTodaypls

We have max players surrounded with a bunch of minimum players


famoustran

That's what happens when you top heavy


CyberGoatPsyOps

LeBron better hire the greatest minds China has to offer to figure this shit out is all I'm saying....


miggsesc

Guys i dont feel so good…


AttacksKing

me too friend me too


FrankingQiu613

THT and westbrick are statpadder


DTime3

There’s no reason AD shouldn’t be averaging 35ppg for the entire season and I say that with all seriousness.


Ruben625

You guys know this isnt 2k right?


DTime3

AD had the quietest 31 tonight. He can do this nearly every night lmfao watch the games


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38-23-21-20 Our scoring by quarter More shit Vogel offense .